PvE Cyrodiil Servers

kylewwefan

So, we've seen how easy ZOS can create a new server now.

They just closed a 7 day no CP server and opened a CP one. The we have an event and they open up 2 more servers on a whim. This leads to believe it would not be something unreasonable to open a PvE server for lorebooks, skyshard, and questing.

Argah

No, Don't need it.

I've hardly touched cyrodil but when I do it'll be nice it's different from everything else aka a full on PVP zone where you risk it doing solo stuff, lots of PVE areas already.

Tasear

No, Don't need it.

It's really easy to grab the skyshards and lorebooks right now. There's so many servers up right so just pop right into the right one. For questing and fishing even crafting usually there's an honor system and most don't mess with these players. Mind you if you are xp grinding cave ... you are likely to be killed.

Remag_Div

No, Don't need it.

Give this a rest, please.

NO

Also, I entered one of those temporary 7 day campaigns yesterday and this is what the map looked like:



It was completely dead. Just join a lower population campaign and be smart when traversing the map. I did all my PvE content on a packed 30 day campaign. I found it fun to maneuver around Cyrodiil and be stealthy trying to do all the PvE content!

Wreuntzylla

Absolutely! As soon as PvP can happen in PvE areas..

kylewwefan

Yes, we need a PvE Cyrodil

Remag_Div wrote: »

Give this a rest, please.

NO

Also, I entered one of those temporary 7 day campaigns yesterday and this is what the map looked like:



It was completely dead. Just join a lower population campaign and be smart when traversing the map. I did all my PvE content on a packed 30 day campaign. I found it fun to maneuver around Cyrodiil and be stealthy trying to do all the PvE content!

That's great! If you're on a red toon. Really blows if not.

Remag_Div

No, Don't need it.

kylewwefan wrote: »

That's great! If you're on a red toon. Really blows if not.

Makes no difference, it just illustrates how dead the campaign was. You don't need to engage near the Keeps to do all those POI's. The quests in the towns would have hostile guards however if you have a good build you can definitely solo the capture point and take the town over by yourself easily and in a dead campaign no one will come to fight you. The only thing you wouldn't be able to do is capture the skyshards behind the EP gates if you were AD or DC.

Maikon

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

Absolutely! As soon as PvP can happen in PvE areas..

This right here I am all for.

neal_brasier

I think it does need a pve cyrodiil campaign I get what people are saying about going into a low populated server to get all the achievements, but if people aren't interested in PvP they will be put off going into any campaign just because it is PvP.
There's a lot of people out there with no interest in PvP at all and I think it is unfair on them to have to go through PvP areas to get the achievements. On the other side of things I think that it's also unfair that pvpers have to run dungeons to get certain gear and also to raise our undaunted level.

Vercingetorix

Yes, we need a PvE Cyrodil

The PvP players will disagree because they need easy AP - a selfish reason, but they won't admit it. Some PvE players won't care either because they just get on at odd hours to do their questing and shard hunting. Yes, this feature should be implemented because there are folks who can't afford to be up at weird hours. Will this be implemented? Maybe, but there needs to be a large enough voice for wanting it.

If there were a ton of players in Cyrodiil only for PvE activities, then it could be argued that a PvE Cyrodiil map would help lessen the population count on popular campaigns. Of course, a PvE Cyrodiil map would have no AP gains of any kind since there are no keeps or resources to cap. Quests would simply give XP and honestly, I think those players would be OK with that. No one quests for AP anyway, lol.

I honestly believe that no player should be forced to do PvE or PvP against their will for progression. The Golden Vendor exists for PvP folks who don't want to dungeon crawl and PvE gets... nothing. PvE folks are forced to go into Cyrodiil to get shards (15 skill points!), finish quest achievements, and unlock a PvP skill line for the mandatory Vigor if they are a stamina character. A PvE Cyrodiil hurts NO ONE and allows players to play the game and their character how they want.

Megabear

No, Don't need it.

Lol on Sunday I got every single shards in Imperial Sewer and Imperial Districts. I encountered just one AD and that was for a brief moment because he was already under attack by a boss in the sewer.

rhapsodious

No, Don't need it.

Okay, instead of just saying "no", I'd like to address why your line of thinking isn't correct.

kylewwefan wrote: »

So, we've seen how easy ZOS can create a new server now.

They just closed a 7 day no CP server and opened a CP one. The we have an event and they open up 2 more servers on a whim.

That's true. They can just spin up a new instance of a Cyrodiil campaign.

This leads to believe it would not be something unreasonable to open a PvE server for lorebooks, skyshard, and questing.

Not as easy as it looks. A Cyrodiil campaign is well, a map of Cyrodiil, probably with some flags set, such as whether CP is enabled, campaign duration, whether IC access is gated (this used to be a thing), and whether it's vet or nonvet.

To make it a "PVE" instance of Cyrodiil, you'd need to disable all guards, disable all sources of AP, somehow treat every objective as being owned by all 3 alliances (this is the hardest part, most likely), disable actual PVP capability... that's a lot of work, in addition to just the thematic idea of "making the only large PVP area in the game PVE".

How would Transitus shrines work? Would we have to add an entire fourth faction into the game and treat people as part of that fourth faction? Imagine the QA nightmare!

Most of the lorebook locations, delves, skyshards and dolmens are dead 90% of the time, anyway. The only hard part is getting the skyshards behind the gates, but like @Remag_Div illustrated, you can just go to a campaign dominated by your alliance to get those.

PVE Cyrodiil won't be happening any time soon.

Remag_Div

No, Don't need it.

Tasear wrote: »

For questing and fishing even crafting usually there's an honor system and most don't mess with these players.

I was finishing up one of my quests in the Imperial City and I actually had an enemy player help me finish the last few parts and we didn't attack each other once nor did we at the end when we were done.

The honor code is real!

neal_brasier

Remag_Div wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

For questing and fishing even crafting usually there's an honor system and most don't mess with these players.

I was finishing up one of my quests in the Imperial City and I actually had an enemy player help me finish the last few parts and we didn't attack each other once nor did we at the end when we were done.

The honor code is real!

Sorry but no, I've been ganked at dolmens, fishing and whilst picking up/dropping off quests it the town's in cyrodiil there's no honour if someone thinks they can pick up easy ap

Remag_Div

No, Don't need it.

neal_brasier wrote: »

Remag_Div wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

For questing and fishing even crafting usually there's an honor system and most don't mess with these players.

I was finishing up one of my quests in the Imperial City and I actually had an enemy player help me finish the last few parts and we didn't attack each other once nor did we at the end when we were done.

The honor code is real!

Sorry but no, I've been ganked at dolmens, fishing and whilst picking up/dropping off quests it the town's in cyrodiil there's no honour if someone thinks they can pick up easy ap

I guess you just didn't look intimidating enough.

idk

No, Don't need it.

The sky shards, PvE quests required to get Hero of Tamriel title and dungeons in Cyrodiil were purposely put into a PvP environment just as 50 skill points are locked behind doing actual PvP.

It's as simple as that. No one has ever said it's hard to make a new Cyrodiil environment.

coop500

Yes, we need a PvE Cyrodil

Remag_Div wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

For questing and fishing even crafting usually there's an honor system and most don't mess with these players.

I was finishing up one of my quests in the Imperial City and I actually had an enemy player help me finish the last few parts and we didn't attack each other once nor did we at the end when we were done.

The honor code is real!

Yeah no, you found a unicorn in the herd of a million horses.

I've been ganked fishing, grabbing skyshards, reading books, collecting wood/ore/plants, doing dolmens, all that non PVP stuff.

PVPers have zero honor code, they just want free AP. What you found was clearly more of a PVEer

neal_brasier

Remag_Div wrote: »

neal_brasier wrote: »

Remag_Div wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

For questing and fishing even crafting usually there's an honor system and most don't mess with these players.

I was finishing up one of my quests in the Imperial City and I actually had an enemy player help me finish the last few parts and we didn't attack each other once nor did we at the end when we were done.

The honor code is real!

Sorry but no, I've been ganked at dolmens, fishing and whilst picking up/dropping off quests it the town's in cyrodiil there's no honour if someone thinks they can pick up easy ap

I guess you just didn't look intimidating enough.

Well I have been told I look like the pink power ranger lol

k9mouse

No, Don't need it.

TBH, I like the fact PVP and PVE are mixed. It makes for a good change of pace.

rhapsodious

No, Don't need it.

coop500 wrote: »

Remag_Div wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

For questing and fishing even crafting usually there's an honor system and most don't mess with these players.

I was finishing up one of my quests in the Imperial City and I actually had an enemy player help me finish the last few parts and we didn't attack each other once nor did we at the end when we were done.

The honor code is real!

Yeah no, you found a unicorn in the herd of a million horses.

I've been ganked fishing, grabbing skyshards, reading books, collecting wood/ore/plants, doing dolmens, all that non PVP stuff.

PVPers have zero honor code, they just want free AP. What you found was clearly more of a PVEer

I mean, yeah, I've been ganked, but I also got revealed while stealth fishing in IC for the achievement and the dude just waved at me and ran off. I thanked him later via /w and he said he thought it was amusing.

I've also left players who were clearly trying to do something PVE-related alone.

It's not a universal attitude either way, but not all of them are jerks. But, ultimately, it's a risk you have to take by being in Cyro. You can mitigate it by going with a friend, going to an alliance-dominated campaign, using stealth, there's a whole bunch of options.

Maikon

coop500 wrote: »

Remag_Div wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

For questing and fishing even crafting usually there's an honor system and most don't mess with these players.

I was finishing up one of my quests in the Imperial City and I actually had an enemy player help me finish the last few parts and we didn't attack each other once nor did we at the end when we were done.

The honor code is real!

Yeah no, you found a unicorn in the herd of a million horses.

I've been ganked fishing, grabbing skyshards, reading books, collecting wood/ore/plants, doing dolmens, all that non PVP stuff.

PVPers have zero honor code, they just want free AP. What you found was clearly more of a PVEer

If you go into a PVP area, expect to be attacked, it's common sense. It's a war zone.

Demycilian

Yes, we need a PvE Cyrodil

ZOS had to shut down how many Cyro maps since 2014? 10 - 13-ish? I dont see the harm in setting one up for purposes of exploration and achievements etc. By now it should be clear as daylight that 99 % of the playerbase want to avoid pvp.

Taleof2Cities

No, Don't need it.

Remag_Div wrote: »

Give this a rest, please.

NO

^This.^

static_recharge

No, Don't need it.

I don't even PvP that much, but I still say no. There needs to be a risk factor in at least one zone. Besides who cares if you get killed, just go to another spot come back later. It's not the end of the world if another player kills you.

rotaugen454

No, Don't need it.

I managed to get all shards and books before I really was into PvP. I even got the fish for Master Angler. It's not a big deal.

Orjix

No, Don't need it.

[quote="Vercingetorix;c-4373547"



I honestly believe that no player should be forced to do PvE or PvP against their will for progression. The Golden Vendor exists for PvP folks who don't want to dungeon crawl and PvE gets... nothing. PvE folks are forced to go into Cyrodiil to get shards (15 skill points!), finish quest achievements, and unlock a PvP skill line for the mandatory Vigor if they are a stamina character. A PvE Cyrodiil hurts NO ONE and allows players to play the game and their character how they want.[/quote]
Buddy, the Golden DOES NOT eliminate the PvE that PvPers need to do, the Golden does not offer most armour prices, and not all sets, to get certain sets a PvPer NEEDS to do PvE

AlnilamE

No, Don't need it.

neal_brasier wrote: »

Remag_Div wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

For questing and fishing even crafting usually there's an honor system and most don't mess with these players.

I was finishing up one of my quests in the Imperial City and I actually had an enemy player help me finish the last few parts and we didn't attack each other once nor did we at the end when we were done.

The honor code is real!

Sorry but no, I've been ganked at dolmens, fishing and whilst picking up/dropping off quests it the town's in cyrodiil there's no honour if someone thinks they can pick up easy ap

And I have a friend who's befriended enemy player pretty much every time he's gone skyshard hunting in Cyrodiil.

Before One Tamriel, my guild had an event where we rotated through the factions to collect skyshards and such. Twice when we were in Cyrodiil (with a group of 5-8 people) we ran across players in delves and managed to not kill them and they ended up joining our guild.

I've been killed at dolmens (lots of PvPers farm dolmens for the cold fire siege) and at quest hubs, but overall, 90% of your time in Cyrodiil will be undisturbed, unless you run right into the line of scrimmage.

As an aside, one time I decided to get the last couple of dolmens on my EP Templar and they were on the East side of the map. So I ride over there and start working my way North to South on a part of the map that was AD dominated. All of a sudden as I'm finishing the second to last dolmen, AD does a scroll push and starts running a scroll right in my direction!

I had to ride like mad while keeping an eye on the map to make sure they didn't get to me before I managed to get out of their way and grab my last dolmen. Fun times!

BuddyAces

I like pve. I do pvp every now and then. A casual pvper probably does more pvp than meself. With that being said, stop being a baby. On my toon I used for this event's achieve I decided to grab as many skyshards, lorebooks and delves that weren't gate locked. Got almost everything there and seen 2 solo folks and a duo with one of them being afk. Yes you may get ganked every now and then but you can literaly do all of the pve stuff with an extremely minimal amount of pvp interaction. Think of it as a unique adventure and get in the mindset that you will be ganked. Then go in there and get surprised how easy and fun it is to do.

Rickter

No, Don't need it.

like, for real?

should there be a PvE zone for pvpers to get maelstrom weapons for killing other players?

why is this always a one way street topic?

you gonna come in here, and say "i want" yet have nothing to offer in return.

W0lf_z13

No, Don't need it.

Orjix wrote: »

[quote="Vercingetorix;c-4373547"



The Golden Vendor exists for PvP folks who don't want to dungeon crawl and PvE gets... nothing

golden vendor sells for ap AND gold .... so a PvEer CAN get them as well ... and the most they come in is Infused or Impen ... which for helm usually people run Reinforced or Sturdy ... on occasion Divines ... only things that are decent traits are the jewelry ... but those you can buy with gold as well .... so ANYONE can get them

kylewwefan

Yes, we need a PvE Cyrodil

We just had a 7 day no CP campaigns shut down for lack of interest and 3 more 7 day CP campaigns opened up. I e yet to see any of them fill up, but whatever we got em now.

What difference would one PvE campaign make? I don't understand the opposition to it? Seriously. It would not affect anyone. Players could go there. Get they skyshard and do quests, dolmens, delves whatever.

It's options.