PvE Cyrodiil Servers

Aisle9

No, Don't need it.

Vercingetorix wrote: »

The PvP players will disagree because they need easy AP - a selfish reason, but they won't admit it. Some PvE players won't care either because they just get on at odd hours to do their questing and shard hunting. Yes, this feature should be implemented because there are folks who can't afford to be up at weird hours. Will this be implemented? Maybe, but there needs to be a large enough voice for wanting it.

If there were a ton of players in Cyrodiil only for PvE activities, then it could be argued that a PvE Cyrodiil map would help lessen the population count on popular campaigns. Of course, a PvE Cyrodiil map would have no AP gains of any kind since there are no keeps or resources to cap. Quests would simply give XP and honestly, I think those players would be OK with that. No one quests for AP anyway, lol.

I honestly believe that no player should be forced to do PvE or PvP against their will for progression. The Golden Vendor exists for PvP folks who don't want to dungeon crawl and PvE gets... nothing. PvE folks are forced to go into Cyrodiil to get shards (15 skill points!), finish quest achievements, and unlock a PvP skill line for the mandatory Vigor if they are a stamina character. A PvE Cyrodiil hurts NO ONE and allows players to play the game and their character how they want.

I don't agree with you, therefore I'm a fascist, right ?

PvP players disagree, because the population in PvP is messed up, and the achievements, missions, delves and other things bring people to Cyrodiil.

1/3rd of these people will like what they see and stay enjoying a side of PvP with their PvE.

The population stays healthy.

PvE only Cyrodiil means the PvE players that were still wondering whether or not try PvP will just log in the PvE one and the PvP population will die. The difference between PvE and PvP is that PvE constantly gets new players, because that's where the game begins. PvP needs new players to actively enter, decide they want to try it, and enter, as old players leave to try other games.

You know why, as a PvP player, I'm opposing to this ? because I just imagined a number of PvE players reading that last sentence like this:



You don't want to play PvP, don't play PvP. Just leave us alone, ok ?

coop500

Yes, we need a PvE Cyrodil

We will leave you alone when you leave us alone.

I like how all these PVPers are not addressing the fact they are DIRECTLY STOPPING us from doing what we need to do. Instead they call us carebears and farm us for AP, then teabag us.

Then we have to ride ALL the way back, just for it to happen again.

The first thing I do when I see a enemy player is run the other way, what ALWAYS happens after that? I get chased, killed and teabagged. And you wonder why we want a PVE option?

AlnilamE

No, Don't need it.

coop500 wrote: »

We will leave you alone when you leave us alone.

I like how all these PVPers are not addressing the fact they are DIRECTLY STOPPING us from doing what we need to do.

I have never attacked an enemy player that wasn't near a battle front if they didn't attack me first.

There are a lot of PvPers out there who simply leave PvEers alone when they are questing. There are a lot of PvPers that will come help a PvEer that is getting attacked at a quest turn-in location.

I have gotten skyshards in Cyrodiil on multiple characters and completed the questlines and I have the fishing achievement (do you know how hard that is on a non-AD character?).

At the end of the day, PvPers are stopping you just as much as the mobs are. Do you want those cleared out of Cyrodiil too?

coop500

Yes, we need a PvE Cyrodil

After hours spent in Cryo, how come this never happens for me?

Sorry but my personal experience says otherwise to your "we love you and won't murder you PVEers"

Mobs don't stop me, that's a joke. And mobs will stop attacking if you run far enough away. Players do not

Aisle9

No, Don't need it.

coop500 wrote: »

We will leave you alone when you leave us alone.

I like how all these PVPers are not addressing the fact they are DIRECTLY STOPPING us from doing what we need to do. Instead they call us carebears and farm us for AP, then teabag us.

Then we have to ride ALL the way back, just for it to happen again.

You don't need to do anything, mate, you want to. You don't see me complaining when I get stomped by 50+ people that want take all my home keeps and camp my home base, because they want to get the skyshard behind the gates, while actual PvP players surf the zerg to take the scroll.

Why don't you do that ?

Also, I've never been teabagged in more than a year in Cyro, except during this event... by people running PvE builds...

Lastly, a piece of advice.

Stay away from the ring keeps (or any keep, for that matter) and the chances to get attacked by an enemy player will be close to 0.

The PvE objectives are so far away from the PvP ones, that you can reach them on horseback.

coop500

Yes, we need a PvE Cyrodil

You also don't need to kill players who are very clearly running away from you, but you do it anyway.

Aisle9

No, Don't need it.

coop500 wrote: »

You also don't need to kill players who are very clearly running away from you, but you do it anyway.

You could try to kill me back, you know, it's PvP after all.

You don't enter a football field and then complain if someone tries to pass you the ball.

coop500

Yes, we need a PvE Cyrodil

If PVPers did not constantly hunt me down and kill me when I did not engage in combat with them in any way besides existing, I wouldn't have a problem. But as I said before, that always happens, you can be a NB (i was at times) cloak away and hide and they will still not stop until they find you. Which tells me they are actively and knowingly killing people who are not here to PVP just for the points. They don't NEED the points, they want the points and they don't care how they do it, even if it means hunting down and killing 'carebears' because we don't deserve the respect.

So sorry, but I can't believe anyone who says PVPers do not effect PVEers, the proof is in my many deaths I have, running away from pro PVPers

Drakkdjinn

No, Don't need it.

No. We need more places to PvP; PvE has plenty of space.

The only possible scenario I can think where this makes sense would be if they opened up an overland PvE zone for PvP. Say for example if I could run around killing the DC scrubs and bots that are always farming my chests in Rivenspire.

W0lf_z13

No, Don't need it.

AlnilamE wrote: »

There are a lot of PvPers out there who simply leave PvEers alone when they are questing. There are a lot of PvPers that will come help a PvEer that is getting attacked at a quest turn-in location.

def agree with this ... i personally have helped a few DC out .... last month there was a PvE'er asking for help because there were 2 AD camping the site of a turn in area for a quest and he kept getting killed ( this was at vlas ) so I rode over to there and helped him out, they were low level AD players so we killed them and I stood there on guard while he turned in his quest ... then I went back to PvPing
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I mean... yeah... there WILL be people on any faction that say "Go back to PvEing in PvE land" ... but there also will be a couple or a few ... even if its just 1 person that is willing to help ... just asking in zone chat could get you some help

coop500

Yes, we need a PvE Cyrodil

Aisle9 wrote: »

coop500 wrote: »

You also don't need to kill players who are very clearly running away from you, but you do it anyway.

You could try to kill me back, you know, it's PvP after all.

You don't enter a football field and then complain if someone tries to pass you the ball.

Fighting back is like a mouse trying to fight a cat, everyone knows this.

Drakkdjinn

No, Don't need it.

Orjix wrote: »

[quote="Vercingetorix;c-4373547"

I honestly believe that no player should be forced to do PvE or PvP against their will for progression. The Golden Vendor exists for PvP folks who don't want to dungeon crawl and PvE gets... nothing. PvE folks are forced to go into Cyrodiil to get shards (15 skill points!), finish quest achievements, and unlock a PvP skill line for the mandatory Vigor if they are a stamina character. A PvE Cyrodiil hurts NO ONE and allows players to play the game and their character how they want.

Buddy, the Golden DOES NOT eliminate the PvE that PvPers need to do, the Golden does not offer most armour prices, and not all sets, to get certain sets a PvPer NEEDS to do PvE

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I can't even count the number of skills, shards, lorebooks, etc. a PvP'er has to do in PvE zones -- by you making that comparison your argument comes off as ridiculous.

A PvE only Cyrodiil would hurt the populations of the less popular campaigns; which are pretty much PvE already at many points in the day.

Aisle9

No, Don't need it.

coop500 wrote: »

If PVPers did not constantly hunt me down and kill me when I did not engage in combat with them in any way besides existing, I wouldn't have a problem. But as I said before, that always happens, you can be a NB (i was at times) cloak away and hide and they will still not stop until they find you. Which tells me they are actively and knowingly killing people who are not here to PVP just for the points. They don't NEED the points, they want the points and they don't care how they do it, even if it means hunting down and killing 'carebears' because we don't deserve the respect.

So sorry, but I can't believe anyone who says PVPers do not effect PVEers, the proof is in my many deaths I have, running away from pro PVPers

Want to hear a fun fact ? These are not PvP players, cause most PvP players get bored and leave after a while.

Gankers will stalk a passage point. Zerg surfers will spam magelight around after they took a keep, to make sure there are no hidden players, but ultimately follow the objectives, which is usually keeps. Organized groups will go where the zergs are.

You know who follows people for half the map ? Newbies and PvE heroes.

Again, think about that...

Wanna go in delves, go in delves, get achievement.

I get nothing from killing one guy on the other side of the map.

coop500

Yes, we need a PvE Cyrodil

They are killing other players, that by definition makes them PVPers, soo.... what ae you even talking about?

You just said they are PVEers.... killing players? That goes against the very definition.

Aisle9

No, Don't need it.

Orjix wrote: »

Vercingetorix wrote: »

I honestly believe that no player should be forced to do PvE or PvP against their will for progression. The Golden Vendor exists for PvP folks who don't want to dungeon crawl and PvE gets... nothing. PvE folks are forced to go into Cyrodiil to get shards (15 skill points!), finish quest achievements, and unlock a PvP skill line for the mandatory Vigor if they are a stamina character. A PvE Cyrodiil hurts NO ONE and allows players to play the game and their character how they want.

Buddy, the Golden DOES NOT eliminate the PvE that PvPers need to do, the Golden does not offer most armour prices, and not all sets, to get certain sets a PvPer NEEDS to do PvE

Or you can hop into Cyrodiil and buy with gold the same exact piece I buy with AP, making your point moot, as any PvE player can come in and use gold to buy the same stuff.

The Golden is not a PvP exclusive, the same piece of gear can be bought with AP or gold.

Vercingetorix

Yes, we need a PvE Cyrodil

Orjix wrote: »

[quote="Vercingetorix;c-4373547"



I honestly believe that no player should be forced to do PvE or PvP against their will for progression. The Golden Vendor exists for PvP folks who don't want to dungeon crawl and PvE gets... nothing. PvE folks are forced to go into Cyrodiil to get shards (15 skill points!), finish quest achievements, and unlock a PvP skill line for the mandatory Vigor if they are a stamina character. A PvE Cyrodiil hurts NO ONE and allows players to play the game and their character how they want.

Buddy, the Golden DOES NOT eliminate the PvE that PvPers need to do, the Golden does not offer most armour prices, and not all sets, to get certain sets a PvPer NEEDS to do PvE

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The important thing you seem to forget (and what this thread is about) is that doing PvE activities to get gear and make progress can't be interrupted by another human player outside of Cyrodiil. Your farm can go on without pause while a PvE player in Cyrodiil trying to get their stuff is stuck having to deal with some idiot ganker while you are being attacked by a mob that pulls you out of stealth from 50 yards away....

Aisle9

No, Don't need it.

coop500 wrote: »

They are killing other players, that by definition makes them PVPers, soo.... what ae you even talking about?

You just said they are PVEers.... killing players? That goes against the very definition.

I just realized I'm feeding a troll...

Wreuntzylla

Vercingetorix wrote: »

The PvP players will disagree because they need easy AP - a selfish reason, but they won't admit it. Some PvE players won't care either because they just get on at odd hours to do their questing and shard hunting. Yes, this feature should be implemented because there are folks who can't afford to be up at weird hours. Will this be implemented? Maybe, but there needs to be a large enough voice for wanting it.

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That's not the reality. There are a small handful of PvP parasites that will sometimes hunt PvE players in IC and quest hubs. Other than that, if you get in the way of normal PvP, you will be killed because you are there. Yes, some do it for the AP, but for a large number of players it's because there isn't time to stop and politely ask what your purpose in Cyrodiil is. Roleplayers are the worst and typically let no enemy live.

Cyrodiil is HUGE. In the vast majority of cases, if you are not between keeps owned by different factions, you will not run into anyone. The exceptions usually involve Elder Scroll movement, which if it is occurring, you can track on the map.

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During this event, my guild started a project and I had to level a warden from scratch. The fastest solo leveling I know of is Cyrodiil questing at the 5 hubs. On very populated servers I was attacked... three times,,, and killed once.

What do you do if you can't kill the ganker? Go to a different hub. By the time you have completed it, the guy at the other hub got bored and left, so you can go back there. In most cases, if you state in zone that there are gankers at a quest hub, within 30 min or so, a real PvPer will come clean them out.

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Best of all is to do what we do. Enter into a reciprocal relationship with a counterpart guild. The PvE guild saves one night a week to help us, as well as any of their players that need something done, and we do the same.

Megabear wrote: »

Lol on Sunday I got every single shards in Imperial Sewer and Imperial Districts. I encountered just one AD and that was for a brief moment because he was already under attack by a boss in the sewer.

This is the reality.

The sewers are largely empty anymore because of the huge tel var bonus you get above the sewers from owning flags. Especially in the wee hours, it is not uncommon to never see another soul for hours. You should still bank every 3-5k stones or so, just in case. If you need to get out quickly, que for another PvP server, you will end up where you would end upo when entering Cyrodiil from anywhere else.

In IC particularly,, it is better to complete what you need completed when a different alliance has a total lockdown on IC flags. That alliance is focused on killing district bosses due to the huge tel var drops and players from other alliances are trying to kill them for their stones. But gankers from the dominating alliance usually leave because there is simply not enough for them to do. If you come across a person from a different alliance, and you are not good at PvP, just turn 45 degrees and run a bit. There is a 50/50 chance they won't come after you.

Aisle9

No, Don't need it.

Vercingetorix wrote: »

Orjix wrote: »

Vercingetorix wrote: »

I honestly believe that no player should be forced to do PvE or PvP against their will for progression. The Golden Vendor exists for PvP folks who don't want to dungeon crawl and PvE gets... nothing. PvE folks are forced to go into Cyrodiil to get shards (15 skill points!), finish quest achievements, and unlock a PvP skill line for the mandatory Vigor if they are a stamina character. A PvE Cyrodiil hurts NO ONE and allows players to play the game and their character how they want.

Buddy, the Golden DOES NOT eliminate the PvE that PvPers need to do, the Golden does not offer most armour prices, and not all sets, to get certain sets a PvPer NEEDS to do PvE

The important thing you seem to forget (and what this thread is about) is that doing PvE activities to get gear and make progress can't be interrupted by another human player outside of Cyrodiil. Your farm can go on without pause while a PvE player in Cyrodiil trying to get their stuff is stuck having to deal with some idiot ganker while you are being attacked by a mob that pulls you out of stealth from 50 yards away....

The Golden is a vendor in the Alliance Base. It's not accessible to players from other alliances.

Are you people even researching the stuff you say or you just say the first thing that comes to mind?

It's a completely safe place, ganker free. You can't be killed in your home base.

You can enter Cyrodiil with your PvE money, go to the vendor, buy what you want, take the wayshrine, be back home before you even had the chance to see a ganker from far far away.

Orchish

No, Don't need it.

Sure thing, once we get open world PvP in every other zone.

coop500

Yes, we need a PvE Cyrodil

Right, resort to calling me a troll when you run out of words to trick me with. Always a good move. As I said, until I see proof that not the majority of PVPers will kill a fleeing player just for that easy AP, I will stand by my words. They may exist, I can't say there isn't, I never met one and won't be holding my breath to anytime soon though.

Ghost-Shot

No, Don't need it.

The sky shards and lore books in Cyrodiil serve two mechanical functions, they are a way for PvP players to get skill points/mages guild levels (even though you still can't cap mages guild in Cyrodiil) and to provide incentive for PvE players to come to a PvP zone and try it. If you take that PvP element out of it, a lot of players will never get the motivation to try PvP, I have a lot of really good friends who exclusively PvP now who only discovered their love of PvP this way. If your irrational fear of PvP is so bad that you still aren't willing to risk it for those shards and books, well then you will live without them, there's more than enough in PvE land.

Aisle9

No, Don't need it.

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

The sky shards and lore books in Cyrodiil serve two mechanical functions, they are a way for PvP players to get skill points/mages guild levels (even though you still can't cap mages guild in Cyrodiil) and to provide incentive for PvE players to come to a PvP zone and try it. If you take that PvP element out of it, a lot of players will never get the motivation to try PvP, I have a lot of really good friends who exclusively PvP now who only discovered their love of PvP this way. If your irrational fear of PvP is so bad that you still aren't willing to risk it for those shards and books, well then you will live without them, there's more than enough in PvE land.

What this guy said

Unfadingsilence

No, Don't need it.

kylewwefan wrote: »

Remag_Div wrote: »

Give this a rest, please.

NO

Also, I entered one of those temporary 7 day campaigns yesterday and this is what the map looked like:



It was completely dead. Just join a lower population campaign and be smart when traversing the map. I did all my PvE content on a packed 30 day campaign. I found it fun to maneuver around Cyrodiil and be stealthy trying to do all the PvE content!

That's great! If you're on a red toon. Really blows if not.

They have them for yellow and blue as well

Malmai

No, Don't need it.

I want fresh blood in Cyro haha.

Unfadingsilence

No, Don't need it.

For PVE players asking for a PVE Cyrodiil server does that mean they are not good at the game? I mean are they only good at understanding mechanics of PVE content and understanding that it never changes but PVP makes you have to change your play style and they are not good at that?? Seems like a L2P thing here

idk

No, Don't need it.

rotaugen454 wrote: »

I managed to get all shards and books before I really was into PvP. I even got the fish for Master Angler. It's not a big deal.

Exactly. And probably very rarely did you enter PvP combat while working on those goal, though it's a random possibility.

It's really not a big deal. On several characters I got all the shards in Cyrodiil. Often went with a group of guildies. Was fun, even when we dealt with PvP. Some funny stories.

Zos purposely chose to put PvE quests, 15 SPs of sky shards as well as 50 more skill points into Cyrodiil. Not to mention skills required for anyone interested in healing or tanking trials as well as vigor that's fairly needed for stam dps in trials.

It's not that big of a deal to get all those achievements out of Cyrodiil. It's a choice one has to make though and the choice is one Zos already made.

kylewwefan

Yes, we need a PvE Cyrodil

I have no problem with Cyrodil or PvP. I regularly seek out and get into Zerg.

There are however plenty of PvE type things to do there and it really blows getting ganked at vlasterous or cheydenhall having to res at highrock and work my way back over there. In fact, I'd probably just leave or find something else to do.

If there was a PvE server that could Eliminate these frustrations.

There are lorebooks to complete sets found only in Cyrodil also. Anyone Leveling up mages guild knows this.

There's too much PvE content to do in Cyrodil that would be so much better if could be done without getting attacked by another player and having to res far far away.

zacvanm

Yes, we need a PvE Cyrodil

I say yes because I've been in Cyrodiil in a locked server and not seen many alliance members..but the sewers/city is FULL of people. Maybe just Imperial City and the sewers need their own server.

idk

No, Don't need it.

Rickter wrote: »

like, for real?

should there be a PvE zone for pvpers to get maelstrom weapons for killing other players?

why is this always a one way street topic?

you gonna come in here, and say "i want" yet have nothing to offer in return.

I think the players that are requesting this are probably not clearly vMA to get maelstrom weapons.