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PC Now Has a Global Auction House
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Betheny✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »This addon turned me into a newt
Burn the Addon!!!
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Stormshaper✭✭✭Vipstaakki wrote: »I think i will get a good laugh out of this when the people who are so desperate for their auction house get infected with a keylogger or worse.
Also, this is why those of us in the IT Security industry will ALWAYS have a job.
This.
These people are the same reason my portion of the IT industry has great job security as well. Most people using computers, shouldn't.
I can restore my gaming PC from an image backup (offline ISO) in about an hour. My online banking/email/storage/everything important PC is on a separate network, backed up regularly and offline when not in use. I do all this to prevent problems but ultimately mitigate damage, if needed, during those worst case scenarios that you people save others from. But you're right, most people shouldn't be using computers. That's why I left a good large-retail I.S./I.T. management job that I'd held for 14 years, just to help smaller retail companies prevent problems or recover from them. Only now I work mostly from home, but as my own boss. It was an easy decision because I knew that I'd have great job security since most people using computers... well you know.2 -
LadyNalcarya✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The idea of this addon is awesome, I'd use something like this if I would be 100% sure its safe.
Edited by LadyNalcarya on July 22, 2017 6:24AMDro-m'Athra Destroyer | Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor | Voice of Reason
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Huyen✭✭✭✭✭
✭Using Kaspersky Internet Security here, and it blocked the program from downloading due a virus. And Kaspersky is right about that stuff 99.9% of the time. Would be a nice addon to have tho, if it gets fixed.Huyen Shadowpaw, dedicated nightblade tank - PS4 (Retired)
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Betheny✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Using Kaspersky Internet Security here, and it blocked the program from downloading due a virus. And Kaspersky is right about that stuff 99.9% of the time. Would be a nice addon to have tho, if it gets fixed.
Currently the file shows 0 threats when scanned by 40 different malware apps. Using Metadefender (not sure how to link to results page). Scan it yourself there.Edited by Betheny on July 22, 2017 6:38AM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »Vipstaakki wrote: »Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »I hope this succeeds and proves once again that the will of the community can prevail over the myopic vision of ZOS that has crippled this game for so long.
Actually. The will of the community is that the guild traders remain. The people wanting an auction house are in the minority here.
Actually. Most people want the guild trader system revamped. Something in-between what we have and a global auction house. Anyone that argues for the status quo is either an apologist or has no idea what they are talking about. The current system is broken af.
Many, if not most would be satisfied with an intuitive search within each vendor. Others have suggested a central notice board in each zone that tells you what each vendor has but doesn't give prices. Those two ideas seem the most popular, the search by far being the most requested (for trading system) change.and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."2 -
LadyDestiny✭✭✭✭✭I wonder if Zos will allow this. I wish we had this stuff on xbox. We are so far behind when we can't even search for one particular item. They need to allow mods on console like they do fallout and skyrim. Really miss playing eso on pc.1 -
Runs✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Assuming this isn't infested...
What happens when people win the bid or buyout, then refuse to accept the COD. Can they do this to every item that would be competition for their item, then post their same item higher?
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Betheny✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Assuming this isn't infested...
What happens when people win the bid or buyout, then refuse to accept the COD. Can they do this to every item that would be competition for their item, then post their same item higher?
Just like any COD.
Been looking at his plans and he's going to put in some buyer history and so on, guessing eventually there'll be ways for us to know who the trolls are.2 -
Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭If this addon is a complete rip-off of the existing trading addon TTC, which some seem to be claiming, what does this addon include that makes it a security nightmare compared to TTC? I don't use addons at all (or the trading system) but my understanding from this and similar discussions is that TTC and other trading addons also use .exe files installed on your machine so how come people are happy to use them while pointing out the security risks in using the new addon? Don't they all take data from your machine and feed it to their server while in all likelihood contributing massively to the lag people report?4 -
Pele✭✭✭✭✭Everything @InvitationNotFound has said is accurate. Props to them for jumping in here with knowledge and sound advice.
As for the addon, I haven't looked at ESO's API, so I don't know if this addon's bidding features are even possible ingame. I'm assuming said features are not possible thus the reason for the .exe's. Addon authors will have more insight about what the API allows us to do.
I wouldn't trust this addon just yet because the author is unknown and, as @InvitationNotFound has said, we don't know exactly what the .exe files are doing.
As for the source code the addon author is claiming to give - they are not giving us the source code that matters in terms of knowing what the .exe's are actually doing to your computer. Also, someone commented on the addon's esoui.com download page and apparently this addon might be ripping off TTC's code. Interestingly, the addon author has responded to other comments but not that one.
There are too many red flags, so use at your own risk.
Something shady like this takes no effort at all to create if you know what you're doing. The amount of profitable info to be gained far outweighs any time spent creating the addon especially if it's true that this is just a ripoff of TTC's code. This setup can be done in a short amount of time, and the person/people behind it can be gone without a trace after they've been outed, but by then, they could have the info they were after of every player who used the addon.Things that are dodgy always get found out quickly...really doubt anyone would imagine they could lure thousands in over a great length of time without being discovered, this amount of effort would have gone too waste all too quickly if it is in fact a scam.
We'll see over the next few days...if this particular addon ends up being dodgy then I hope someone we know and trust pops up and makes it work.
As for a legit version of this addon produced by a trusted addon author, God help that person because something like this is a massive undertaking. This is very expensive to do - not just financially, but the amount of time required to competently develop and maintain it would be like a full-time job.3 -
sylviermoone✭✭✭✭✭I don't use addons at all (or the trading system) but my understanding from this and similar discussions is that TTC and other trading addons also use .exe files installed on your machine.
As far as I'm aware, there are really only two trading add-ons in use: TTC, and Master Merchant. Master Merchant does NOT use an .exe, as it doesn't currently communicate with anything outside the ESO environment. MM compliles information to which you already have access through the guild history interface. It isn't pulling information down from or loading information up to a server, hence there is no need for an .exe.
I have not personally looked through the code, but someone I know has, and the .dll included is a direct rip-off of TTC. There is also code in this addon that doesn't do anything FOR Nirn Auction House; it is code that supports TTC, which leaves me to believe that the author here is at best, a sloppy author that cribs work without proper credit, or at worst, well.....
I'm not saying the author of this addon is intentionally trying to introduce malware or anything like that. But for me, I'm looking at the fact that the author here 1) can't be bothered to properly cite the author of the code he's using and 2) can't be bothered to remove extraneous code from said code. There isn't anything that's going to convince me that I should trust THEIR level of security. It's not that I think the author themself has malicious intent, but I sure as hell don't trust it enough to open my machine to a potential security nightmare.
And yes, I am a trade guild GM, but my role as one has nothing to do with whether or not it's wise to entrust the security of my computer and everything it contains to this particular third party program.Co-GM, Angry Unicorn Traders: PC/NA
"Official" Master Merchant Tech Support
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Darlgon✭✭✭✭✭
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You are my dear, in your title.
PC does NOT have an auction hall. It has an potentially invasive program disguised as an addon.
It's a discussion thread, so if that's what you think it is then that's okay. I'd appreciate it if you didn't try to patronise me with terms like "my dear" and so on. It's quite offensive.
Personally I'm hoping it turns out to work exactly like a global auction house for us...would be great to bypass trade guilds and actually reach the whole server.
Well, since you did not like my trying to soften my words with Rhett Butler's famous words, you really wont like this..Using Kaspersky Internet Security here, and it blocked the program from downloading due a virus. And Kaspersky is right about that stuff 99.9% of the time. Would be a nice addon to have tho, if it gets fixed.
Currently the file shows 0 threats when scanned by 40 different malware apps. Using Metadefender (not sure how to link to results page). Scan it yourself there.
Especially posting things like the above, ignoring the comments of other players in computer security above.
This thread is serving more like the pop up that tells you "Your computer is infected. Contact Micorsoft Suport at 1-800-INFECTME to get it cleaned for omly 99.99"
In order to do the function of an auction hall, properly, that you have described, the application will have to access the sellers ingame ID, the buyers ingame ID, transmit both to a machine known only to the author. That machine would have to handle making sure both accounts sent their gold/item to the other through the ingame mail system. That machine would also record the success/failure of said transaction and keep a history of every seller that used it.
Personally, if I were a hacker, having access to that many IDs would be a dream come true. Because sheeple DO want a global auction hall and will download this "application" spyware. People have been forming guilds and blindly inviting players, solely to steal IDs for gold selling since day -5 of this game.Edited by Darlgon on July 22, 2017 1:21PMPower level to CP160 in a week:
Where is the end game? You just played it.
Why don't I have 300+ skill points? Because you skipped content along the way.
Where is new content? Sigh.7 -
Kurkikohtaus✭✭✭@Kurkikohtaus your concurrent dream come true. Grab some popcorn and Watch the fall of the guild trader system
Thx for remembering me! I'm on holiday until August 1st so cannot log in to see what the fuss is about but will take a look when I'm back.0 -
Rikkof✭✭✭I am using this addon and it looks safe for now, tnx for it, it is a blessingggggggggggggggg2
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Rikkof✭✭✭TRADE GUILD MASTERS are coming in this thread and are trying to get the OP deleted, watch out! Their empires are crumbling, finally4
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Tasear✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭@Kurkikohtaus your concurrent dream come true. Grab some popcorn and Watch the fall of the guild trader system
Can you pass the butter?Interesting, all depends on how many people actually use it, but I doubt it will upend the entire guild system, tbh.
Agreed, even it it did work would not change status quo. Some people don't even know of tamerial trade center let alone this.Somebody just asked the author to expose the two .exe files included with this addon, not willing to use it till the author replies with reassuring words and actions.
Agreed, Not all gifts are as great as they appear.
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✭@Kurkikohtaus your concurrent dream come true. Grab some popcorn and Watch the fall of the guild trader system
Can you pass the butter?Interesting, all depends on how many people actually use it, but I doubt it will upend the entire guild system, tbh.
Agreed, even it it did work would not change status quo. Some people don't even know of tamerial trade center let alone this.Somebody just asked the author to expose the two .exe files included with this addon, not willing to use it till the author replies with reassuring words and actions.
Agreed, Not all gifts are as great as they appear.
I think we are going to have the last laugh here when you get infected by malicious software.4 -
Tasear✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭@Kurkikohtaus your concurrent dream come true. Grab some popcorn and Watch the fall of the guild trader system
Can you pass the butter?
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Trashkan✭✭✭The whole guild trader thing bugs me. It's not like when the population of trading guilds double the merchants double. I remember when the top bid was 1 million gold out in craglorn. Now it seems like every store is a million.2
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TTC and MM offer information to help trading. This addon starts routing trades in a way that NOBODY else can control. This a school example of a man-in-the-middle attack. It gives server owner complete and automatic trade manipulation system.If this addon is a complete rip-off of the existing trading addon TTC, which some seem to be claiming, what does this addon include that makes it a security nightmare compared to TTC? I don't use addons at all (or the trading system) but my understanding from this and similar discussions is that TTC and other trading addons also use .exe files installed on your machine so how come people are happy to use them while pointing out the security risks in using the new addon? Don't they all take data from your machine and feed it to their server while in all likelihood contributing massively to the lag people report?
Are you all gone mad and volunteer to walk into slaughter house?
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rootimus✭✭✭✭✭No game addon should EVER have an .exe file.
That's a terribly ignorant statement.Even on the internet, clear communication is important; it can be the difference between "helping your Uncle Jack off a horse" and "helping your uncle jack off a horse"; the difference between "knowing your s***" and "knowing you're s***".
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Belegnole✭✭✭✭✭As someone who wants a AH I'm following this thread closely.
And can someone pass the butter....Edited by Belegnole on July 22, 2017 4:31PM1 -
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TTC and MM offer information to help trading. This addon starts routing trades in a way that NOBODY else can control. This a school example of a man-in-the-middle attack. It gives server owner complete and automatic trade manipulation system.If this addon is a complete rip-off of the existing trading addon TTC, which some seem to be claiming, what does this addon include that makes it a security nightmare compared to TTC? I don't use addons at all (or the trading system) but my understanding from this and similar discussions is that TTC and other trading addons also use .exe files installed on your machine so how come people are happy to use them while pointing out the security risks in using the new addon? Don't they all take data from your machine and feed it to their server while in all likelihood contributing massively to the lag people report?
Are you all gone mad and volunteer to walk into slaughter house?
Isn't it odd to assume complete bad faith right from the start? Skepticism and peer review from other addon authors is warranted but to just jump straight to rip-off is a bit extreme.
I do agree however that the addon maker should go out of their way to explain the process and address concerns if they expect anyone to trust this system.Edited by Yolokin_Swagonborn on July 22, 2017 7:27PM2 -
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With security it's the norm. With game industry it's the norm. You really, really have think these RIGHT from the start.Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »
TTC and MM offer information to help trading. This addon starts routing trades in a way that NOBODY else can control. This a school example of a man-in-the-middle attack. It gives server owner complete and automatic trade manipulation system.If this addon is a complete rip-off of the existing trading addon TTC, which some seem to be claiming, what does this addon include that makes it a security nightmare compared to TTC? I don't use addons at all (or the trading system) but my understanding from this and similar discussions is that TTC and other trading addons also use .exe files installed on your machine so how come people are happy to use them while pointing out the security risks in using the new addon? Don't they all take data from your machine and feed it to their server while in all likelihood contributing massively to the lag people report?
Are you all gone mad and volunteer to walk into slaughter house?
Isn't it odd to assume complete bad faith right from the start? Skepticism and peer review from other addon authors is warranted but to just just straight to rip-off is a bit extreme.
I do agree however that the addon maker should go out of their way to explain the process and address concerns if they expect anyone to trust this system.
Wake up right now. This a classical example of rip-off. See wiki.
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✭Wether or Not ZoS wants to implement a AH, It is so stupidly Obvious that there are hundreds and thousands of players who absolutely want one instead of running around to the demented will of the the handful of crooks who run the current guild trade systems
Inb4 some moron says this is just one thread. WRONG just do a quick Post search for Auction House and see how many hundreds of different posts and Polls there are. The Majority are largely in favor of AH in some form. Regardless, It's obvious the current system is outdated, Myopic and Completely shuts out players from making proper profits to the benifit of A handful of players.Edited by Nelson_Rebel on July 22, 2017 4:53PM3 -
Roovin✭✭✭Oh jeez, an add-on that completely circumvents the way the developers wanted the auction houses to operate.
And people are praising it.
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Betheny✭✭✭✭✭
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It works just fine in other MMO's/games.
You mean real auction houses work fine in other games, the ESO trade system is a complete fiasco.7
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