Why to hell i cant play with Staff and able to wear 2 5piece sets and a complete monsterset?!

DeHei

olsborg wrote: »

destrostaff (apart from frost) is perfectly good for dmg already, if they did this id hope it would just be for melee 2h and possibly bow.

They should reduce damage for sure for around 5% from all skills of 2H weapons. This would be a fair deal.

acw37162

Ranger209 wrote: »

acw37162 wrote: »

Well you can, you just have to pair a proc set like BSW or Lich with with another set.

Same as a 2H and bow build.

And when it doesn't proc right away you are stuck on you back bar until it does, or you go to your front bar without the buff.

Lich will proc every time you are under the magica threshold and not on colldown.

BSW will proc if you are laying down AOE's and buffing up regularly enough I'm in the 60 - 65% uptown which is as good as it gets.

Don't go trying to poke holes in something you haven't tried just because it doesn't fit in the box of how you think it should work.

They have also datamined a 2 weapon magica item so it is probably coming in the future. So use the options currently available or don't, your choice but don't crap on people who give you information just because you don't like the information.

DeHei

acw37162 wrote: »

Ranger209 wrote: »

acw37162 wrote: »

Well you can, you just have to pair a proc set like BSW or Lich with with another set.

Same as a 2H and bow build.

And when it doesn't proc right away you are stuck on you back bar until it does, or you go to your front bar without the buff.

Lich will proc every time you are under the magica threshold and not on colldown.

BSW will proc if you are laying down AOE's and buffing up regularly enough I'm in the 60 - 65% uptown which is as good as it gets.

Don't go trying to poke holes in something you haven't tried just because it doesn't fit in the box of how you think it should work.

They have also datamined a 2 weapon magica item so it prob coming I the future. So use the options currently available or don't, your choice but don't crap in people who give you information just because you don't like the information.

I know all informations. Not only 1 trial DD use Lich. BSW was a very good option and it is a good one anymore, but i was used as mainset and for example moondancer with 2 sharpened swords on backbar to activate the 5piece bonus.
BSW is most useful with a firestaff and there we have the problem...

2 swords for magicka builds are crap for sure.. you know the points!

STEVIL

DeHei wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Irylia wrote: »

DeHei wrote: »

This is really stupid and i cant explain how stupid it is... Why it isnt able to play with staff, give this 2H weapons items a double set bonus, that everybody is able to use 2 full 5piece sets and a complete monsterset?! Why i need to wear 2 *** swords, when i want to make a special magicka build... Its just no logic in that!
PLS really PLS fix stupid *** from game and listen to that, what player really want! Or give us other stupid *** like a magicka dual wield combo with range weapon attacks (which work with maxmagicka and spellpower)... It looks all, that you just not have a plan. How to explain this to new player... They cant understand, because i cant understand too, but i play it since beta...

Maybe not anymore soon, the frustration is high!

Damn, people are dense

3x jewelry 1x resto 1x body
4x body 1x destro
2x monster

Lich bsw pirate
Julianos seducer/lich

Literally fill in any 2 sets that you want and most will work
You just give up vma and the benefit of having a second 5
Piece on one bar.

But most times you don't need two 5x bonuses since you will want a sustain set and a damage set. Put the sustain on back bar

Close this post

Can't even believe I'm reading this. There are tons of combinations that won't work like you describe. What about Necropotence + Shacklebreaker + a Monster set? Which one do you backbar, Necro or Shackle? Doesn't make any sense. Amberplasm is another popular sustain set that you would never want to lose the 5 piece bonus. You even mention Seducer... why would you only want to enjoy the 8% cost reduction on one bar?

uhhh.. cannot believe i am reading this... yes there are tons of combos that dont work like this... but there are ones which do.

there are tons of combos nobody uses too... like say hundings with mothers sorrow...

that is kind of the point, you know. Different choices result in different options foe what works and what doesn't.

How well would your necro + shackle work on a character with 64 stamina? Wait, what, not so good because the choice to spend stamina means necro shackle is not a good combo for you?

gosh golly gee batman, how in the world can a choice as fundamental as stat assignment or weapons chosen impact what set combos are good and what isn't?

So, see, right now, those folks running 11pc weapon choices may be urged to run different sets than those running 12pc options. 11pc options often include more use of surge-then-cool type sets while 12pc options tend to favor more constant effect options.

Different choices favor different options favor different results and different play.

The number of sets you choose to NOT USE is pretty much irrelevant as long as you have enough to give you options of good ones you can run.

And of course, all this set count crap goes almost completely out the window once you start looking at top end builds that use maelstrom and master weapons.

Some people like having their choices matter, some dont like it as much.

Me, i am in the former camp and hope they do not launch a wholesale rework of the weapons to make them more alike than they are now.

if there is a need for a magica melee ranged 12pc set count, add a melee range 2-weapon skill line for magica.

Why you are so afraid they could make a rework of it? Because you maybe lose the SUPERIOR status of Staminabuilds?

Some sets are not used so much, because they are just bad. There are 50% sets, nearly nobody use, because the stats arent good. I dont need a BiS set, but i want a good combination like everybody do... For example i run with overwhelming in PvP...isnt BiS, but i really like the effect..

Re the bold all i can say is ROTFLMAO!!!!

i admit stamina is in a better place than it was before morrow, but really... that is just too much.

And let me remind you that someone here said it wasn't about getting stronger builds out of the change but about diversity and they expected reworks to need to be done if this went thru.

true colors keep slipping out... dont they?

As for my fears, as i have stated prior, most of my 14 active characters are staff users, bow users or 2h users with only a few - maybe 3 of the 14 - with any 12pc bars at all.

So my only concern is the diversity killing impact making such a major homgenization across the weapon skill lines would produce - again as already stated.

STEVIL

DeHei wrote: »

acw37162 wrote: »

Ranger209 wrote: »

acw37162 wrote: »

Well you can, you just have to pair a proc set like BSW or Lich with with another set.

Same as a 2H and bow build.

And when it doesn't proc right away you are stuck on you back bar until it does, or you go to your front bar without the buff.

Lich will proc every time you are under the magica threshold and not on colldown.

BSW will proc if you are laying down AOE's and buffing up regularly enough I'm in the 60 - 65% uptown which is as good as it gets.

Don't go trying to poke holes in something you haven't tried just because it doesn't fit in the box of how you think it should work.

They have also datamined a 2 weapon magica item so it prob coming I the future. So use the options currently available or don't, your choice but don't crap in people who give you information just because you don't like the information.

I know all informations. Not only 1 trial DD use Lich. BSW was a very good option and it is a good one anymore, but i was used as mainset and for example moondancer with 2 sharpened swords on backbar to activate the 5piece bonus.
BSW is most useful with a firestaff and there we have the problem...

2 swords for magicka builds are crap for sure.. you know the points!

OMG, can it be? is this actually "Make staves great again" thread from you-know-who under an alias?

leepalmer95

DeHei wrote: »

Jitterbug wrote: »

A bunch of people in this thread are gonna look real silly if the change is made ^.^

My biggest problem, i cant understand, why they are against that. Nobody would lose anything.. so it just can be an egoistic argument... that i dont honor..

If they make this change then the only thing you would see would be 2h and staff which are already more common than dw/s&b.

Oh and for the thing about stamina builds benefiting from the double set bonus of dw and s&b, lmao do you even play this game?

In pvp magicka builds go dw/s&b not stamina builds. Every stamina build uses 2h (e.g. the thing you want buffing even though its a must for pvp)

In pve every magicka build uses staff?


Your wanting to buff the already more used types simply to make yourself able to sue 2/5/5 if you want to use 2/5/5 use sets that you can with 2h or staff or go dw/s&b thats called choice and consequences, deal with them.

Jitterbug

STEVIL wrote: »

DeHei wrote: »

acw37162 wrote: »

Ranger209 wrote: »

acw37162 wrote: »

Well you can, you just have to pair a proc set like BSW or Lich with with another set.

Same as a 2H and bow build.

And when it doesn't proc right away you are stuck on you back bar until it does, or you go to your front bar without the buff.

Lich will proc every time you are under the magica threshold and not on colldown.

BSW will proc if you are laying down AOE's and buffing up regularly enough I'm in the 60 - 65% uptown which is as good as it gets.

Don't go trying to poke holes in something you haven't tried just because it doesn't fit in the box of how you think it should work.

They have also datamined a 2 weapon magica item so it prob coming I the future. So use the options currently available or don't, your choice but don't crap in people who give you information just because you don't like the information.

I know all informations. Not only 1 trial DD use Lich. BSW was a very good option and it is a good one anymore, but i was used as mainset and for example moondancer with 2 sharpened swords on backbar to activate the 5piece bonus.
BSW is most useful with a firestaff and there we have the problem...

2 swords for magicka builds are crap for sure.. you know the points!

OMG, can it be? is this actually "Make staves great again" thread from you-know-who under an alias?

Nobody's stronger than me!

Oreyn_Bearclaw

overclocker303b14_ESO wrote: »

Because you get one set bonus for one item. A staff is one item, so you get...wait for it...one set bonus for it. Again, that's one bonus, for one set item.

Now that the math behind it has been explained, I would also like to point out that being able to wear a monster set and use two five piece sets on the front bar is really the only benefit you get for being a melee based dps. Meanwhile, if you are ranged magicka you get more dps, and the benefit of not having to stand next to bosses and deal with additional mechanics. I honestly think this setup is fine the way it is and if you are really that unhappy about it and decide to leave please let me know if I can have your stuff.

You do not get more DPS at range. Stam melee builds are in first place for DPS. Let's be clear about that.

Emma_Overload

People are seriously using the "build diversity" argument against the OP? Ridiculous!

You know what would improve the diversity of MY builds? Being able to mix Monster sets with ALL combinations of 5 piece sets!

DeHei

leepalmer95 wrote: »

DeHei wrote: »

Jitterbug wrote: »

A bunch of people in this thread are gonna look real silly if the change is made ^.^

My biggest problem, i cant understand, why they are against that. Nobody would lose anything.. so it just can be an egoistic argument... that i dont honor..

If they make this change then the only thing you would see would be 2h and staff which are already more common than dw/s&b.

Oh and for the thing about stamina builds benefiting from the double set bonus of dw and s&b, lmao do you even play this game?

In pvp magicka builds go dw/s&b not stamina builds. Every stamina build uses 2h (e.g. the thing you want buffing even though its a must for pvp)

In pve every magicka build uses staff?


Your wanting to buff the already more used types simply to make yourself able to sue 2/5/5 if you want to use 2/5/5 use sets that you can with 2h or staff or go dw/s&b thats called choice and consequences, deal with them.

Much Staminabuilds use 2H as buffbar and for example dual wield as frontbar.. i know guys who use 1H+shield as frontbar. Yeah there also guys who use 2H as offbar and 1H+shield as deffbar. I dont see many guys with Bow and 2H.. I make much duells and this combination just is not good enough. 1 bar with 2 sletslots is just stronger.. you can believe me or not.
All of this Magickauser do this *** to have the full buffs of there setup. Dk can go very tanky and work really well with permablockbuilds and Magickatemplar have puncturing sweep and other channeled attacks. They do less weaponattacks.
For sure profitate Staminabuilds mire from dual wield!!! Do you not know the fact, that this weapon is simply a stamina based weapon. I dont deal damage with it over light or heavy attacks, when i have a max magicka+spelldamage build and it dont restore my main ressource! You should increase your IQ before you want to counter my arguments...

But its senseless to discutate with you guys.. It doesnt matter what for arguments i explain, why this is my opinion.. You just say NO..

DeHei

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

overclocker303b14_ESO wrote: »

Because you get one set bonus for one item. A staff is one item, so you get...wait for it...one set bonus for it. Again, that's one bonus, for one set item.

Now that the math behind it has been explained, I would also like to point out that being able to wear a monster set and use two five piece sets on the front bar is really the only benefit you get for being a melee based dps. Meanwhile, if you are ranged magicka you get more dps, and the benefit of not having to stand next to bosses and deal with additional mechanics. I honestly think this setup is fine the way it is and if you are really that unhappy about it and decide to leave please let me know if I can have your stuff.

You do not get more DPS at range. Stam melee builds are in first place for DPS. Let's be clear about that.

One of the main problems this xxxx try to find arguments against.. really i stop discutate with them.. its just wasting time..

DeHei

STEVIL wrote: »

DeHei wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Irylia wrote: »

DeHei wrote: »

This is really stupid and i cant explain how stupid it is... Why it isnt able to play with staff, give this 2H weapons items a double set bonus, that everybody is able to use 2 full 5piece sets and a complete monsterset?! Why i need to wear 2 *** swords, when i want to make a special magicka build... Its just no logic in that!
PLS really PLS fix stupid *** from game and listen to that, what player really want! Or give us other stupid *** like a magicka dual wield combo with range weapon attacks (which work with maxmagicka and spellpower)... It looks all, that you just not have a plan. How to explain this to new player... They cant understand, because i cant understand too, but i play it since beta...

Maybe not anymore soon, the frustration is high!

Damn, people are dense

3x jewelry 1x resto 1x body
4x body 1x destro
2x monster

Lich bsw pirate
Julianos seducer/lich

Literally fill in any 2 sets that you want and most will work
You just give up vma and the benefit of having a second 5
Piece on one bar.

But most times you don't need two 5x bonuses since you will want a sustain set and a damage set. Put the sustain on back bar

Close this post

Can't even believe I'm reading this. There are tons of combinations that won't work like you describe. What about Necropotence + Shacklebreaker + a Monster set? Which one do you backbar, Necro or Shackle? Doesn't make any sense. Amberplasm is another popular sustain set that you would never want to lose the 5 piece bonus. You even mention Seducer... why would you only want to enjoy the 8% cost reduction on one bar?

uhhh.. cannot believe i am reading this... yes there are tons of combos that dont work like this... but there are ones which do.

there are tons of combos nobody uses too... like say hundings with mothers sorrow...

that is kind of the point, you know. Different choices result in different options foe what works and what doesn't.

How well would your necro + shackle work on a character with 64 stamina? Wait, what, not so good because the choice to spend stamina means necro shackle is not a good combo for you?

gosh golly gee batman, how in the world can a choice as fundamental as stat assignment or weapons chosen impact what set combos are good and what isn't?

So, see, right now, those folks running 11pc weapon choices may be urged to run different sets than those running 12pc options. 11pc options often include more use of surge-then-cool type sets while 12pc options tend to favor more constant effect options.

Different choices favor different options favor different results and different play.

The number of sets you choose to NOT USE is pretty much irrelevant as long as you have enough to give you options of good ones you can run.

And of course, all this set count crap goes almost completely out the window once you start looking at top end builds that use maelstrom and master weapons.

Some people like having their choices matter, some dont like it as much.

Me, i am in the former camp and hope they do not launch a wholesale rework of the weapons to make them more alike than they are now.

if there is a need for a magica melee ranged 12pc set count, add a melee range 2-weapon skill line for magica.

Why you are so afraid they could make a rework of it? Because you maybe lose the SUPERIOR status of Staminabuilds?

Some sets are not used so much, because they are just bad. There are 50% sets, nearly nobody use, because the stats arent good. I dont need a BiS set, but i want a good combination like everybody do... For example i run with overwhelming in PvP...isnt BiS, but i really like the effect..

Re the bold all i can say is ROTFLMAO!!!!

i admit stamina is in a better place than it was before morrow, but really... that is just too much.

And let me remind you that someone here said it wasn't about getting stronger builds out of the change but about diversity and they expected reworks to need to be done if this went thru.

true colors keep slipping out... dont they?

As for my fears, as i have stated prior, most of my 14 active characters are staff users, bow users or 2h users with only a few - maybe 3 of the 14 - with any 12pc bars at all.

So my only concern is the diversity killing impact making such a major homgenization across the weapon skill lines would produce - again as already stated.

You dont want to build or farm some new sets. Is very interesting. I can undestand this argument, but i am sry, i dont agree.

Emma_Overload wrote: »

People are seriously using the "build diversity" argument against the OP? Ridiculous!

You know what would improve the diversity of MY builds? Being able to mix Monster sets with ALL combinations of 5 piece sets!

Yeah, its really funny

leepalmer95

DeHei wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

DeHei wrote: »

Jitterbug wrote: »

A bunch of people in this thread are gonna look real silly if the change is made ^.^

My biggest problem, i cant understand, why they are against that. Nobody would lose anything.. so it just can be an egoistic argument... that i dont honor..

If they make this change then the only thing you would see would be 2h and staff which are already more common than dw/s&b.

Oh and for the thing about stamina builds benefiting from the double set bonus of dw and s&b, lmao do you even play this game?

In pvp magicka builds go dw/s&b not stamina builds. Every stamina build uses 2h (e.g. the thing you want buffing even though its a must for pvp)

In pve every magicka build uses staff?


Your wanting to buff the already more used types simply to make yourself able to sue 2/5/5 if you want to use 2/5/5 use sets that you can with 2h or staff or go dw/s&b thats called choice and consequences, deal with them.

Much Staminabuilds use 2H as buffbar and for example dual wield as frontbar.. i know guys who use 1H+shield as frontbar. Yeah there also guys who use 2H as offbar and 1H+shield as deffbar. I dont see many guys with Bow and 2H.. I make much duells and this combination just is not good enough. 1 bar with 2 sletslots is just stronger.. you can believe me or not.
All of this Magickauser do this *** to have the full buffs of there setup. Dk can go very tanky and work really well with permablockbuilds and Magickatemplar have puncturing sweep and other channeled attacks. They do less weaponattacks.
For sure profitate Staminabuilds mire from dual wield!!! Do you not know the fact, that this weapon is simply a stamina based weapon. I dont deal damage with it over light or heavy attacks, when i have a max magicka+spelldamage build and it dont restore my main ressource! You should increase your IQ before you want to counter my arguments...

But its senseless to discutate with you guys.. It doesnt matter what for arguments i explain, why this is my opinion.. You just say NO..

I should increase my IQ? You should increase your literacy as well as your game knowledge.

For one what you see in duels doesn't matter. 99% of pvp is done in cyrodiil and 2h/bow is just better there.

I'm arguing with an idiot.

DeHei

leepalmer95 wrote: »

DeHei wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

DeHei wrote: »

Jitterbug wrote: »

A bunch of people in this thread are gonna look real silly if the change is made ^.^

My biggest problem, i cant understand, why they are against that. Nobody would lose anything.. so it just can be an egoistic argument... that i dont honor..

If they make this change then the only thing you would see would be 2h and staff which are already more common than dw/s&b.

Oh and for the thing about stamina builds benefiting from the double set bonus of dw and s&b, lmao do you even play this game?

In pvp magicka builds go dw/s&b not stamina builds. Every stamina build uses 2h (e.g. the thing you want buffing even though its a must for pvp)

In pve every magicka build uses staff?


Your wanting to buff the already more used types simply to make yourself able to sue 2/5/5 if you want to use 2/5/5 use sets that you can with 2h or staff or go dw/s&b thats called choice and consequences, deal with them.

Much Staminabuilds use 2H as buffbar and for example dual wield as frontbar.. i know guys who use 1H+shield as frontbar. Yeah there also guys who use 2H as offbar and 1H+shield as deffbar. I dont see many guys with Bow and 2H.. I make much duells and this combination just is not good enough. 1 bar with 2 sletslots is just stronger.. you can believe me or not.
All of this Magickauser do this *** to have the full buffs of there setup. Dk can go very tanky and work really well with permablockbuilds and Magickatemplar have puncturing sweep and other channeled attacks. They do less weaponattacks.
For sure profitate Staminabuilds mire from dual wield!!! Do you not know the fact, that this weapon is simply a stamina based weapon. I dont deal damage with it over light or heavy attacks, when i have a max magicka+spelldamage build and it dont restore my main ressource! You should increase your IQ before you want to counter my arguments...

But its senseless to discutate with you guys.. It doesnt matter what for arguments i explain, why this is my opinion.. You just say NO..

I should increase my IQ? You should increase your literacy as well as your game knowledge.

For one what you see in duels doesn't matter. 99% of pvp is done in cyrodiil and 2h/bow is just better there.

I'm arguing with an idiot.

And you think PvP is only zerging.. Who is the idiot?

Maybe you think PvE are just happen 99% of time in random dungeons over tool?

Pls play all parts of the game and after this learningphase you are experienced enough to let us known your new opinion. I dont will be very suprised to hear, that you will agree with me then.

I am sry, that with the IQ wasnt a fine move.. you just need to learn much more..

leepalmer95

DeHei wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

DeHei wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

DeHei wrote: »

Jitterbug wrote: »

A bunch of people in this thread are gonna look real silly if the change is made ^.^

My biggest problem, i cant understand, why they are against that. Nobody would lose anything.. so it just can be an egoistic argument... that i dont honor..

If they make this change then the only thing you would see would be 2h and staff which are already more common than dw/s&b.

Oh and for the thing about stamina builds benefiting from the double set bonus of dw and s&b, lmao do you even play this game?

In pvp magicka builds go dw/s&b not stamina builds. Every stamina build uses 2h (e.g. the thing you want buffing even though its a must for pvp)

In pve every magicka build uses staff?


Your wanting to buff the already more used types simply to make yourself able to sue 2/5/5 if you want to use 2/5/5 use sets that you can with 2h or staff or go dw/s&b thats called choice and consequences, deal with them.

Much Staminabuilds use 2H as buffbar and for example dual wield as frontbar.. i know guys who use 1H+shield as frontbar. Yeah there also guys who use 2H as offbar and 1H+shield as deffbar. I dont see many guys with Bow and 2H.. I make much duells and this combination just is not good enough. 1 bar with 2 sletslots is just stronger.. you can believe me or not.
All of this Magickauser do this *** to have the full buffs of there setup. Dk can go very tanky and work really well with permablockbuilds and Magickatemplar have puncturing sweep and other channeled attacks. They do less weaponattacks.
For sure profitate Staminabuilds mire from dual wield!!! Do you not know the fact, that this weapon is simply a stamina based weapon. I dont deal damage with it over light or heavy attacks, when i have a max magicka+spelldamage build and it dont restore my main ressource! You should increase your IQ before you want to counter my arguments...

But its senseless to discutate with you guys.. It doesnt matter what for arguments i explain, why this is my opinion.. You just say NO..

I should increase my IQ? You should increase your literacy as well as your game knowledge.

For one what you see in duels doesn't matter. 99% of pvp is done in cyrodiil and 2h/bow is just better there.

I'm arguing with an idiot.

And you think PvP is only zerging.. Who is the idiot?

Maybe you think PvE are just happen 99% of time in random dungeons over tool?

Pls play all parts of the game and after this learningphase you are experienced enough to let us known your new opinion. I dont will be very suprised to hear, that you will agree with me then.

I am sry, that with the IQ wasnt a fine move.. you just need to learn much more..

Lmao i have 10 characters.

8 of them are over rank 24 in pvp.

2 of them are my wardens, one ranks 18~ and another is finished yesterday.

I literally only solo or small man.

The game isn't balanced around dueling , nor should it. Pvp which actually gives you AP all revolve around group fights, 1vx, 2vx, Xvx etc... not 1v1's with pre build dueling only builds. Dueling isn't about 'skill' it's a build and class countering, if you haven't learned that yet go and learn it.

I've completed all pve in the game apart from Vmaw and the new trial because i've lost interest to actually regrind a dps for them.

I've done everything to do in pvp pretty much, the only thing i haven't i finishing off my magicka warden and running around on that for a few weeks.

Pls go learn all of the game before spamming that 2h's and staffs should get buffed because thats pretty much what this suggestion is. Go learn how 2h's and staffs are doing in pvp and pve then come back.

STEVIL

Emma_Overload wrote: »

People are seriously using the "build diversity" argument against the OP? Ridiculous!

You know what would improve the diversity of MY builds? Being able to mix Monster sets with ALL combinations of 5 piece sets!

Well, while i cannot say a thing about YOUR builds, it wont increase the build diversity in terms of sets played oerall but rather reduce it.

you see, right now the 12v11 thing drives some to run different sets on their 12pc builds than one their 11pc builds because the 11pc builds are not as good at the 5pc "constant bonus" types of sets. So, the limitation drives folks towards different sets. the difference drives diversity.

Make them more the same, make them all 12 pc builds, and that entirely vanishes.

All of this of course pre-Mael or master weapons. when used they change the dynamic entirely voiding the whole set count 552 thing for a more 5-2-3-MW

More sameness does not promote diversity, it promotes more sameness.

you are conflating "sets i can wear" with "sets i will wear" when you imagine that removing differences somehow means more sets will be worn. Diversity is not about "sets i can wear" but more "sets i will wear".

STEVIL

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

overclocker303b14_ESO wrote: »

Because you get one set bonus for one item. A staff is one item, so you get...wait for it...one set bonus for it. Again, that's one bonus, for one set item.

Now that the math behind it has been explained, I would also like to point out that being able to wear a monster set and use two five piece sets on the front bar is really the only benefit you get for being a melee based dps. Meanwhile, if you are ranged magicka you get more dps, and the benefit of not having to stand next to bosses and deal with additional mechanics. I honestly think this setup is fine the way it is and if you are really that unhappy about it and decide to leave please let me know if I can have your stuff.

You do not get more DPS at range. Stam melee builds are in first place for DPS. Let's be clear about that.

Are non-maelstrom non-master stamina builds tops in DPS?

Since this discussion hinges on set counts and maelstrom/masters wrteck that difference, it seems the dps supporting argument should be without M or M.

is that sustained DPS when supported by a healer and tank in trials or solo dps against enemies where you have to do your own defense and heal? is it PVP for or what?

STEVIL

DeHei wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

DeHei wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Irylia wrote: »

DeHei wrote: »

This is really stupid and i cant explain how stupid it is... Why it isnt able to play with staff, give this 2H weapons items a double set bonus, that everybody is able to use 2 full 5piece sets and a complete monsterset?! Why i need to wear 2 *** swords, when i want to make a special magicka build... Its just no logic in that!
PLS really PLS fix stupid *** from game and listen to that, what player really want! Or give us other stupid *** like a magicka dual wield combo with range weapon attacks (which work with maxmagicka and spellpower)... It looks all, that you just not have a plan. How to explain this to new player... They cant understand, because i cant understand too, but i play it since beta...

Maybe not anymore soon, the frustration is high!

Damn, people are dense

3x jewelry 1x resto 1x body
4x body 1x destro
2x monster

Lich bsw pirate
Julianos seducer/lich

Literally fill in any 2 sets that you want and most will work
You just give up vma and the benefit of having a second 5
Piece on one bar.

But most times you don't need two 5x bonuses since you will want a sustain set and a damage set. Put the sustain on back bar

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Can't even believe I'm reading this. There are tons of combinations that won't work like you describe. What about Necropotence + Shacklebreaker + a Monster set? Which one do you backbar, Necro or Shackle? Doesn't make any sense. Amberplasm is another popular sustain set that you would never want to lose the 5 piece bonus. You even mention Seducer... why would you only want to enjoy the 8% cost reduction on one bar?

uhhh.. cannot believe i am reading this... yes there are tons of combos that dont work like this... but there are ones which do.

there are tons of combos nobody uses too... like say hundings with mothers sorrow...

that is kind of the point, you know. Different choices result in different options foe what works and what doesn't.

How well would your necro + shackle work on a character with 64 stamina? Wait, what, not so good because the choice to spend stamina means necro shackle is not a good combo for you?

gosh golly gee batman, how in the world can a choice as fundamental as stat assignment or weapons chosen impact what set combos are good and what isn't?

So, see, right now, those folks running 11pc weapon choices may be urged to run different sets than those running 12pc options. 11pc options often include more use of surge-then-cool type sets while 12pc options tend to favor more constant effect options.

Different choices favor different options favor different results and different play.

The number of sets you choose to NOT USE is pretty much irrelevant as long as you have enough to give you options of good ones you can run.

And of course, all this set count crap goes almost completely out the window once you start looking at top end builds that use maelstrom and master weapons.

Some people like having their choices matter, some dont like it as much.

Me, i am in the former camp and hope they do not launch a wholesale rework of the weapons to make them more alike than they are now.

if there is a need for a magica melee ranged 12pc set count, add a melee range 2-weapon skill line for magica.

Why you are so afraid they could make a rework of it? Because you maybe lose the SUPERIOR status of Staminabuilds?

Some sets are not used so much, because they are just bad. There are 50% sets, nearly nobody use, because the stats arent good. I dont need a BiS set, but i want a good combination like everybody do... For example i run with overwhelming in PvP...isnt BiS, but i really like the effect..

Re the bold all i can say is ROTFLMAO!!!!

i admit stamina is in a better place than it was before morrow, but really... that is just too much.

And let me remind you that someone here said it wasn't about getting stronger builds out of the change but about diversity and they expected reworks to need to be done if this went thru.

true colors keep slipping out... dont they?

As for my fears, as i have stated prior, most of my 14 active characters are staff users, bow users or 2h users with only a few - maybe 3 of the 14 - with any 12pc bars at all.

So my only concern is the diversity killing impact making such a major homgenization across the weapon skill lines would produce - again as already stated.

You dont want to build or farm some new sets. Is very interesting. I can undestand this argument, but i am sry, i dont agree.

Ok so now the gig is up... i made no mention of building or farming new sets or my desires thereof, so this is you inventing a classic troll side-slip to provoke a response.

So, no more feeding the troll.

STEVIL

leepalmer95 wrote: »

DeHei wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

DeHei wrote: »

Jitterbug wrote: »

A bunch of people in this thread are gonna look real silly if the change is made ^.^

My biggest problem, i cant understand, why they are against that. Nobody would lose anything.. so it just can be an egoistic argument... that i dont honor..

If they make this change then the only thing you would see would be 2h and staff which are already more common than dw/s&b.

Oh and for the thing about stamina builds benefiting from the double set bonus of dw and s&b, lmao do you even play this game?

In pvp magicka builds go dw/s&b not stamina builds. Every stamina build uses 2h (e.g. the thing you want buffing even though its a must for pvp)

In pve every magicka build uses staff?


Your wanting to buff the already more used types simply to make yourself able to sue 2/5/5 if you want to use 2/5/5 use sets that you can with 2h or staff or go dw/s&b thats called choice and consequences, deal with them.

Much Staminabuilds use 2H as buffbar and for example dual wield as frontbar.. i know guys who use 1H+shield as frontbar. Yeah there also guys who use 2H as offbar and 1H+shield as deffbar. I dont see many guys with Bow and 2H.. I make much duells and this combination just is not good enough. 1 bar with 2 sletslots is just stronger.. you can believe me or not.
All of this Magickauser do this *** to have the full buffs of there setup. Dk can go very tanky and work really well with permablockbuilds and Magickatemplar have puncturing sweep and other channeled attacks. They do less weaponattacks.
For sure profitate Staminabuilds mire from dual wield!!! Do you not know the fact, that this weapon is simply a stamina based weapon. I dont deal damage with it over light or heavy attacks, when i have a max magicka+spelldamage build and it dont restore my main ressource! You should increase your IQ before you want to counter my arguments...

But its senseless to discutate with you guys.. It doesnt matter what for arguments i explain, why this is my opinion.. You just say NO..

I should increase my IQ? You should increase your literacy as well as your game knowledge.

For one what you see in duels doesn't matter. 99% of pvp is done in cyrodiil and 2h/bow is just better there.

I'm arguing with an idiot.

No, you are arguing with a troll... so the slightly off claims have their place... suckering responses in.

Kikke

Why are are the masses this dumb? for real. There has NEVER EVER been an MMO / RPG were 2h counts as two items. Non, whats so ever. They kinda made it easy. we get set bonuses each item of the set we have... a 2h viper sword is one sword, two 1h viper swords are 2 swords... who get that 2/5/5 bonus? well yes, DW! but what about 2h?! well, drop a monster part. and run your 1/5/5. or swap up items abit so you get one 5 bonus on one bar, and another 5 bonus on the other. there are plenty of ways to still run 2/5/5 and use 2h items.

And for those saying "dw have it easier"... easier for what? PvP? Nope.... PvE? nope. What makes is so much "easier" for a dw as they have 2/5/5? 2h melee = CC / execute / cap closer. dw melee = dots?

DeHei

leepalmer95 wrote: »

DeHei wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

DeHei wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

DeHei wrote: »

Jitterbug wrote: »

A bunch of people in this thread are gonna look real silly if the change is made ^.^

My biggest problem, i cant understand, why they are against that. Nobody would lose anything.. so it just can be an egoistic argument... that i dont honor..

If they make this change then the only thing you would see would be 2h and staff which are already more common than dw/s&b.

Oh and for the thing about stamina builds benefiting from the double set bonus of dw and s&b, lmao do you even play this game?

In pvp magicka builds go dw/s&b not stamina builds. Every stamina build uses 2h (e.g. the thing you want buffing even though its a must for pvp)

In pve every magicka build uses staff?


Your wanting to buff the already more used types simply to make yourself able to sue 2/5/5 if you want to use 2/5/5 use sets that you can with 2h or staff or go dw/s&b thats called choice and consequences, deal with them.

Much Staminabuilds use 2H as buffbar and for example dual wield as frontbar.. i know guys who use 1H+shield as frontbar. Yeah there also guys who use 2H as offbar and 1H+shield as deffbar. I dont see many guys with Bow and 2H.. I make much duells and this combination just is not good enough. 1 bar with 2 sletslots is just stronger.. you can believe me or not.
All of this Magickauser do this *** to have the full buffs of there setup. Dk can go very tanky and work really well with permablockbuilds and Magickatemplar have puncturing sweep and other channeled attacks. They do less weaponattacks.
For sure profitate Staminabuilds mire from dual wield!!! Do you not know the fact, that this weapon is simply a stamina based weapon. I dont deal damage with it over light or heavy attacks, when i have a max magicka+spelldamage build and it dont restore my main ressource! You should increase your IQ before you want to counter my arguments...

But its senseless to discutate with you guys.. It doesnt matter what for arguments i explain, why this is my opinion.. You just say NO..

I should increase my IQ? You should increase your literacy as well as your game knowledge.

For one what you see in duels doesn't matter. 99% of pvp is done in cyrodiil and 2h/bow is just better there.

I'm arguing with an idiot.

And you think PvP is only zerging.. Who is the idiot?

Maybe you think PvE are just happen 99% of time in random dungeons over tool?

Pls play all parts of the game and after this learningphase you are experienced enough to let us known your new opinion. I dont will be very suprised to hear, that you will agree with me then.

I am sry, that with the IQ wasnt a fine move.. you just need to learn much more..

Lmao i have 10 characters.

8 of them are over rank 24 in pvp.

2 of them are my wardens, one ranks 18~ and another is finished yesterday.

I literally only solo or small man.

The game isn't balanced around dueling , nor should it. Pvp which actually gives you AP all revolve around group fights, 1vx, 2vx, Xvx etc... not 1v1's with pre build dueling only builds. Dueling isn't about 'skill' it's a build and class countering, if you haven't learned that yet go and learn it.

I've completed all pve in the game apart from Vmaw and the new trial because i've lost interest to actually regrind a dps for them.

I've done everything to do in pvp pretty much, the only thing i haven't i finishing off my magicka warden and running around on that for a few weeks.

Pls go learn all of the game before spamming that 2h's and staffs should get buffed because thats pretty much what this suggestion is. Go learn how 2h's and staffs are doing in pvp and pve then come back.

I dont want a buff for them.. i just want a double set bonus for 2H. I would say they need arround 5% skilldamagereduction to compensate that. When you played all, have tons of experience and dont want that too, then your light shine not very bright... i am sry.

DeHei

leepalmer95 wrote: »

DeHei wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

DeHei wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

DeHei wrote: »

Jitterbug wrote: »

A bunch of people in this thread are gonna look real silly if the change is made ^.^

My biggest problem, i cant understand, why they are against that. Nobody would lose anything.. so it just can be an egoistic argument... that i dont honor..

If they make this change then the only thing you would see would be 2h and staff which are already more common than dw/s&b.

Oh and for the thing about stamina builds benefiting from the double set bonus of dw and s&b, lmao do you even play this game?

In pvp magicka builds go dw/s&b not stamina builds. Every stamina build uses 2h (e.g. the thing you want buffing even though its a must for pvp)

In pve every magicka build uses staff?


Your wanting to buff the already more used types simply to make yourself able to sue 2/5/5 if you want to use 2/5/5 use sets that you can with 2h or staff or go dw/s&b thats called choice and consequences, deal with them.

Much Staminabuilds use 2H as buffbar and for example dual wield as frontbar.. i know guys who use 1H+shield as frontbar. Yeah there also guys who use 2H as offbar and 1H+shield as deffbar. I dont see many guys with Bow and 2H.. I make much duells and this combination just is not good enough. 1 bar with 2 sletslots is just stronger.. you can believe me or not.
All of this Magickauser do this *** to have the full buffs of there setup. Dk can go very tanky and work really well with permablockbuilds and Magickatemplar have puncturing sweep and other channeled attacks. They do less weaponattacks.
For sure profitate Staminabuilds mire from dual wield!!! Do you not know the fact, that this weapon is simply a stamina based weapon. I dont deal damage with it over light or heavy attacks, when i have a max magicka+spelldamage build and it dont restore my main ressource! You should increase your IQ before you want to counter my arguments...

But its senseless to discutate with you guys.. It doesnt matter what for arguments i explain, why this is my opinion.. You just say NO..

I should increase my IQ? You should increase your literacy as well as your game knowledge.

For one what you see in duels doesn't matter. 99% of pvp is done in cyrodiil and 2h/bow is just better there.

I'm arguing with an idiot.

And you think PvP is only zerging.. Who is the idiot?

Maybe you think PvE are just happen 99% of time in random dungeons over tool?

Pls play all parts of the game and after this learningphase you are experienced enough to let us known your new opinion. I dont will be very suprised to hear, that you will agree with me then.

I am sry, that with the IQ wasnt a fine move.. you just need to learn much more..

Lmao i have 10 characters.

8 of them are over rank 24 in pvp.

2 of them are my wardens, one ranks 18~ and another is finished yesterday.

I literally only solo or small man.

The game isn't balanced around dueling , nor should it. Pvp which actually gives you AP all revolve around group fights, 1vx, 2vx, Xvx etc... not 1v1's with pre build dueling only builds. Dueling isn't about 'skill' it's a build and class countering, if you haven't learned that yet go and learn it.

I've completed all pve in the game apart from Vmaw and the new trial because i've lost interest to actually regrind a dps for them.

I've done everything to do in pvp pretty much, the only thing i haven't i finishing off my magicka warden and running around on that for a few weeks.

Pls go learn all of the game before spamming that 2h's and staffs should get buffed because thats pretty much what this suggestion is. Go learn how 2h's and staffs are doing in pvp and pve then come back.

I dont want a buff for them.. i just want a double set bonus for 2H. I would say they need arround 5% skilldamagereduction to compensate that. When you played all, have tons of experience and dont want that too, then your light shine not very bright... i am sry.

Btw PvP rank means nothing. You can reach a rank over zerging, repairing walls, taking outposts, smallscales and soloplaying (the last 2 options need a good working build...)

DeHei

STEVIL wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

People are seriously using the "build diversity" argument against the OP? Ridiculous!

You know what would improve the diversity of MY builds? Being able to mix Monster sets with ALL combinations of 5 piece sets!

Well, while i cannot say a thing about YOUR builds, it wont increase the build diversity in terms of sets played oerall but rather reduce it.

you see, right now the 12v11 thing drives some to run different sets on their 12pc builds than one their 11pc builds because the 11pc builds are not as good at the 5pc "constant bonus" types of sets. So, the limitation drives folks towards different sets. the difference drives diversity.

Make them more the same, make them all 12 pc builds, and that entirely vanishes.

All of this of course pre-Mael or master weapons. when used they change the dynamic entirely voiding the whole set count 552 thing for a more 5-2-3-MW

More sameness does not promote diversity, it promotes more sameness.

you are conflating "sets i can wear" with "sets i will wear" when you imagine that removing differences somehow means more sets will be worn. Diversity is not about "sets i can wear" but more "sets i will wear".

Just no, when you able to wear more options, you will try and test other builds. I would do! When you just would sitting and wait for the BiS build for any class, its your problem.. no comment..

DeHei

kikkehs wrote: »

Why are are the masses this dumb? for real. There has NEVER EVER been an MMO / RPG were 2h counts as two items. Non, whats so ever. They kinda made it easy. we get set bonuses each item of the set we have... a 2h viper sword is one sword, two 1h viper swords are 2 swords... who get that 2/5/5 bonus? well yes, DW! but what about 2h?! well, drop a monster part. and run your 1/5/5. or swap up items abit so you get one 5 bonus on one bar, and another 5 bonus on the other. there are plenty of ways to still run 2/5/5 and use 2h items.

And for those saying "dw have it easier"... easier for what? PvP? Nope.... PvE? nope. What makes is so much "easier" for a dw as they have 2/5/5? 2h melee = CC / execute / cap closer. dw melee = dots?

All other games have options for there playstyle and there isnt a problem. Here they want that people run for example with froststaff and tanking.. The reason why nearly nobody in a trial us it, that they miss a full 5 piece bonus..
We have 2 options for more fairness. A magicka dual wield option or this what i prefer here..

Do you allways just do, what other do? For me, i have my own opinion after thinking about and when all arguments speak for it, i will defending it until the hell is opening!

I dont want to sit around and waiting for this circumstances.. This is just a fail from ZOS and i want to make trouble until they solve it in 1 of this ways!

SodanTok

Still not given up discussing with Stevil? You will learn, you will learn soon enough to mark his whole profile as ignored so you never have to read his posts again.

DeHei

SodanTok wrote: »

Still not given up discussing with Stevil? You will learn, you will learn soon enough to mark his whole profile as ignored so you never have to read his posts again.

I never give up a fight, when i am sure, that i do right mate. Ignoring him isnt a option
And i really like to smash his "arguments"!

Kikke

for those with "your own opinions" and trash talk anyone speaking about how this game was designed...

QUIT ESO, make your own game? profit.

STEVIL

kikkehs wrote: »

for those with "your own opinions" and trash talk anyone speaking about how this game was designed...

QUIT ESO, make your own game? profit.

IMO those with opinions and the like are fine... but trolling and insulting those who disagree is not so much.

I myself disagree with quite a few things in ESO now and upcoming - current state of crafting now, EZ-mode top tier alchemy writs coming - and am vocal about them.

DeHei

STEVIL wrote: »

kikkehs wrote: »

for those with "your own opinions" and trash talk anyone speaking about how this game was designed...

QUIT ESO, make your own game? profit.

IMO those with opinions and the like are fine... but trolling and insulting those who disagree is not so much.

I myself disagree with quite a few things in ESO now and upcoming - current state of crafting now, EZ-mode top tier alchemy writs coming - and am vocal about them.

I agree that in parts. In my opinion there where changes in the past and they plan changes are maybe not good.. i cant critisic them all and find a solution.. i dont have endless time

DeHei

kikkehs wrote: »

for those with "your own opinions" and trash talk anyone speaking about how this game was designed...

QUIT ESO, make your own game? profit.

I try allways to find solutions for problems i see.. its nothing talking trash..

I really like the game. Its fine, when you dont see any problems..