[Solved] Character appearance should NOT give me an unfair disadvantage in PvP

Megabear

I created a female Bosmer to reduce hit box and because they are cute. I can now see that it will be disadvantageous in PvP, but I still will keep her, though whether I will ever end up lvling her is another question. I had exact same problem with one or more MMO's in the past where a puddle would impeded my mobility so it's my fault for not thinking of this issue.

Danksta

BloodWolfe wrote: »

Your hit box is smaller which is the advantage of a smaller character. Your height is not just an "appearance", it is technically a physical attribute so STOP referring to it as your "characters appearance" because appearance is your face, hair, etc.... Size is a physical attribute not an aesthetic appearance as you claim! You went small to be less noticeable and for a harder target so accept this limitation with the water. Taller characters are easily noticed and easier to hit but can walk in shallow pools too deep for shorter characters.

You want to have your cake and eat it too but it just doesn't work that way. Are they supposed to make you like Jesus and walk on water FFS?!?! Choices make a difference and I am glad they paid attention to this level of detail. Don't like it then make a taller character!

But aren't all of our characters like Jesus? I mean they are fictional.

Fischblut

I hear that's an issue in vMA on stage 7 with the cleanse pools.

After I read it, I decided to test yesterday... It doesn't look related to height of character - it looks like one of cleansing pools has little bugged place I was walking slowly to detect it. Used it many times before, and never noticed it - if you simply move with normal speed, you won't notice it either. At least a millisecond of swimming there never caused my death, unlike bugged flameshapers on 8th stage.

Tallest female khajiit, one step back and sink into the ground:

Teridaxus

So...you want some stilts then?

Voxicity

Teridaxus wrote: »

So...you want some stilts then?

ha

TheShadowScout

the_man_of_steal wrote: »

If you're swimming, you cannot be attacked or targeted as long as you stay in the water...

Nope.
One cannot -attack- while swimming, but one can still be -attacked-

Sure, anyone who needs to swim to you to attack will find they can't because one cannot attack while swimming. No, not even crocodiles for some reason. Only slaughterfish have learned how...

But anyone with a bow or magic? They will happily sink you! No mater if NPC guards or that PvP archer who just put a "mark" on you while you were enjoying your swim...

Kihamai

Lol. This is something I have just gotten used to as a bosmer main for years. Interesting that male bosmer are shorter than female bosmer though.

Streega

Calysis wrote: »

Lol. This is something I have just gotten used to as a bosmer main for years. Interesting that male bosmer are shorter than female bosmer though.

^This^ For me it's quite obvious, and I have no problem with that. Maybe bc I'm short IRL :P Advice?

max_only

MirelaUmbrella wrote: »

GLP323b14_ESO wrote: »

Is it just me or do those two characters in the video appear to be the exact same height. If your swimming bosmer is shorter it must not be by very much.

Actually, my character (his wife you can see there) is also the smallest possible bosmer, which was the funny thing at first. Was wondering if it's a characteristic of the race, that males are tiny bit smaller than ladies.

I also created the shortest possible male Bosmer. (Tiny tanks has always been my #aesthetic)Also I already knew that the female Bosmer were taller than the male.

However. Height does not determine hitbox. We all have the same medium male human build as a hitbox and you can see that when you first Rez in to a busy place.

I wouldn't mind the swim disadvantage if I had an advantage somewhere else, but I don't. This is a bug, plain and simple. Not a major one maybe, but still a bug.

Korah_Eaglecry

Stay out of the water if youre a short character? I mean.....You admit you made the character as short as possible and then complain that certain pools of water that are shallow for a taller character is too deep for your intentionally short character?

First World Problems at its best.

MLGProPlayer

BloodWolfe wrote: »

Your hit box is smaller which is the advantage of a smaller character.

Is this true?

And even if it is, you have auto-aim in this game, so hit box size is irrelevant.

MLGProPlayer

Reverb wrote: »

I'm not sure what kind of warning you would have wanted. A pop-up at character creation saying "short characters have disadvantages?" Many of us just assume that to be true in games, and it often is.

I've never played a game where character height affects gameplay.

DaveMoeDee

josiahva wrote: »

Why wouldnt height have impact? I generally make tall characters, or tall-ish at least, I have a larger hit box, I have known this forever....I just dont care, it makes sense, I am bigger and have a bigger hit box, just a disadvantage I deal with, much like playing on PC with a controller. I know playing with a controller puts me at a severe disadvantage(camera speed is MUCH slower than a mouse, making turning around very slow...its worst against those stupid stamplars that run around you in circles spamming jabs/sweeps) in PvP, but its the cost of the choice I make.

Where is the evidence that your hitbox is larger? You haven't "known" that. You assumed it.

The one verifiable PvP downside to height is being easier to spot. There may be zero disadvantages to height in PvE, so the swimming problem for shorties should be fixed.

DisgracefulMind

I actually make all my characters as small as possible because it's so much easier to LOS in PvP (I know it sounds weird). When I'm playing with my friend (who has pretty much all tall characters), my little Bosmer is rarely targetted, so I can pick people off who pile on him, it's great. If that means I get stuck in the water sometimes, so be it, I find more advantages

Voxicity

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Stay out of the water if youre a short character? I mean.....You admit you made the character as short as possible and then complain that certain pools of water that are shallow for a taller character is too deep for your intentionally short character?

First World Problems at its best.

I don't know why everyone in this thread are insisting on twisting my own words and just making things up. I have stated that shallow water FOR MY CHARACTER, THAT BARELY REACHES HIS KNEES, MAKES ME SWIM IN IT. WHEREAS WATER THAT WOULD GO HIGHER UP TO THE WAIST OF TALLER CHARACTERS DOESN'T MAKE THEM HAVE TO SWIM IN IT.

Full on triggered mode but my god some people either don't read or just can't comprehend stuff.

EvilKiwi

laksikus wrote: »

Well, it makes sense.
In skyrim the fastest char was altmer cos they were the tallest race and had the longest legs.

It's just realistic and fine for me

In eso its the opposite. Altmer run slower and also mount speed is slower.

Voxicity

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

BloodWolfe wrote: »

Your hit box is smaller which is the advantage of a smaller character.

Is this true?

And even if it is, you have auto-aim in this game, so hit box size is irrelevant.

Nah it's not true. Someone just asked about it early on in the thread and since then everyone just automatically assumed it is, when it is not But it's their own loss if they wanna misinform themselves, not my problem

Voxicity

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

I actually make all my characters as small as possible because it's so much easier to LOS in PvP (I know it sounds weird). When I'm playing with my friend (who has pretty much all tall characters), my little Bosmer is rarely targetted, so I can pick people off who pile on him, it's great. If that means I get stuck in the water sometimes, so be it, I find more advantages

That doesn't sound weird at all. It makes perfect sense. But what about if someone made a character the smallest possible because they wanted them to look that way? I literally couldn't care less about smaller hit boxes (hence appearance changing to a taller height a couple of days ago) so for me it was a no brainer. I'd rather be able to fight people in puddles than be harder to target

Wrubius_Coronaria

I've noticed something interesting about character appearance. The taller characters are often tanks and the smallers are often nightblade, played like gankers, assassins.

It seems for a lot players big characters are stronger with a better health and able to survive a lot of damages and small charactes are weaker and lack of physical strength. I also noticed small character seems to be more focused in pvp time to time. It's a fascinating cliche in my opinion.