How are players using 5 skills in under a second?!

BlitzWing97
Heated night, Blue and Yellow really pushing back Red for the first time in the month campaign..But i keep coming accross a problem that other players are dealing more damage to myself than i can heal or deal back.
How is any of this possible? 5 separate skills all in under a second!
Have they disabled animations? Is it an exploit? Please someone help because this is just frustrating...

Screenshot of what im on about:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0Kpc4phkAW9dWhfa2tpM3NZalU/view?usp=sharing
Edited by BlitzWing97 on June 17, 2017 12:48AM

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  • BlitzWing97
    what does proc stand for?
    Is it the armour/weapon set abilities?
  • DeadlyRecluse
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    what does proc stand for?
    Is it the armour/weapon set abilities?

    In this case, yes.
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  • JDC1985
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    Trashkan wrote: »
    Ya but still was hit with a surprise attack ambush all within the same second. Macro slice is what you got hit with.

    Omg you have no clue what your talking about. The only thing using a macro does is makes a players skills go off slower.
    Edited by JDC1985 on June 17, 2017 4:21AM
  • DeHei
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    Heated night, Blue and Yellow really pushing back Red for the first time in the month campaign..But i keep coming accross a problem that other players are dealing more damage to myself than i can heal or deal back.
    How is any of this possible? 5 separate skills all in under a second!
    Have they disabled animations? Is it an exploit? Please someone help because this is just frustrating...

    Screenshot of what im on about:
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0Kpc4phkAW9dWhfa2tpM3NZalU/view?usp=sharing

    Its possible for example do this with magicka build and staff attack:
    heavy attack from firestaff, then cast a skill without instant impact, light attack and skill with instant impact.. maybe you have 1-2 proccsets and you can reach 6x damages incoming at same time. When you dont dodge you get blown away. A short lag is enough that you cant do anything against that mechanic.
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  • timborggrenlarsenb16_ESO
    Heated night, Blue and Yellow really pushing back Red for the first time in the month campaign..But i keep coming accross a problem that other players are dealing more damage to myself than i can heal or deal back.
    How is any of this possible? 5 separate skills all in under a second!
    Have they disabled animations? Is it an exploit? Please someone help because this is just frustrating...

    Screenshot of what im on about:
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0Kpc4phkAW9dWhfa2tpM3NZalU/view?usp=sharing

    Its called Autohotkey'ing
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  • Shadowshire
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    .... 5 separate skills all in under a second!
    Have they disabled animations? Is it an exploit? Please someone help because this is just frustrating...

    Screenshot of what im on about:
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0Kpc4phkAW9dWhfa2tpM3NZalU/view?usp=sharing
    Maybe the word "robot" in the opposing player's name offers a clue. The next time that you encounter them, take a screenshot and use < F1 > to report the player. :neutral:

    Allegedly, there is such a thing as "animation canceling" but I have not read any instructions as to how to do that. Supposedly, cancelling its animation doesn't stop an ability from being effected, but it does allow the player to use another ability immediately after the animation is cancelled. I don't know whether cancelling animation adversely affects abilities which have a Cast Time or Channel Time.

    Then again, after each ability is used there is a Global Cooldown, and some actions, such as using a potion, have an internal cooldown which is longer. Cooldowns are meant to prevent players from "spamming" abilities. There is an add-on which displays the Global Cooldown, but documentation is lacking, and I did not find it useful.

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  • Shadowshire
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    what does proc stand for?
    Is it the armour/weapon set abilities?
    "Proc" is just a lazy abbreviation for "process" or "procedure", and "proc" can be used as a verb as well as a noun. That is, when a proc occurs, we say that it "procs" or "proc'ed". Many armour sets have a proc as the 5-piece benefit. "Monster" sets are two-piece, and equipping a second piece of the pair introduces a proc. There are Skill line abilities, usually of their morphs, which also have procs.

    Armor and weapon procs are the #1 reason that I don't engage in PvP, and having neither a fast and reliable Internet broadband connection nor a computer that meets at least the "recommended" system requirements are two more.
    Edited by Shadowshire on June 17, 2017 10:53PM
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    NO TO TEL VAR STONES LOOTING! Looting the "corpse" of another player's avatar creates a community of harassment, leeching and griefing. We don't want mechanics that allow any player to feed on another's misfortune or to compound the cost of mistakes they have made in learning!

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  • RIGHTEOUS_REPORT
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    Scripts and macros. Dirty play.

  • Shadowshire
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    The global cooldown for skills is around 0.7 seconds, so its entirely possible to get ambush, light attack, and surprise attack in under a second.

    The "macro slice" can also be accidentally triggered through lag.

    People need to not be so quick to assume that the people killing them are doing so by cheating.
    For what it is worth, from what I've read, the Global Cooldown is one second. Nonetheless, if the GCD is 0.7 seconds, then it would require at least 1.4 seconds to press three keys, with the GCD following the first and the second. So, not only can you press three keys in a bit more than 1.4 seconds, your connection to the "megaserver" is so fast and reliable that the host software will actually process each one and return the result to your gaming rig -- which would require less than ~ 40 ms. for network latency and a FPS of at least 60. Do you have any idea how much a Tier 3 connection costs? (Obviously, the player's computer is not one that just meets the minimum system requirements for TESO).

    That said, I don't know anything about "the macro slice". What I do know is that the ESO game client will not accept any keystroke macro, or Lua script, that I have defined and bound to a key on my Logitech G502 mouse. The keybinding interface only recognizes 5 mouse buttons, regardless. Maybe it would work if I could afford to pay my ISP for higher bandwidth. Then again, there are some problems with their network, so paying more for higher bandwidth would likely be throwing good money after bad. Sort of like buying the Morrowind expansion, I expect.

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  • Shadowshire
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    .... 5 separate skills all in under a second!
    Have they disabled animations? Is it an exploit? Please someone help because this is just frustrating. ....

    Its called Autohotkey'ing
    Hmmm.... I've thought about running AutoKey to macro the digit < 1 > and < 3 > keys on the compact keyboard that I'm using. However, I doubt that the game client will recognize the key-press. At least it probably won't unless the NumLock key is set, which switches the < Ins > < Home > < PgUp > < Del > < End > < PgDn > and Arrow keys to their respective digits instead. Using a regular PC/AT keyboard with those keys separate from the number keypad would be clumsy on the desk that I'm using, though. Maybe one with a USB port for the mouse would fit spatially. ....

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  • Waffennacht
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    Ok, it's really simple.

    If you say use an ability with an animation and you then LA, Bash, Weapon Switch or Roll Dodge the animation will be cut short or not seen at all.

    That's animation cancelling.

    "Macro slice" is more than likely a player animation cancelling and the game lags, so even though it took approximately 1.5 seconds to do something, you only see the end result of being dead. Can sometimes cause a health-desync, you'll be dead but your resource pools are full, then suddenly shoot to zero.

    What erks me, is when these proc sets animations can be cancelled, Selene being the main problem as it suppose to have a dodgeable animation and is OP as an instant attack

    Edit: forgot about block too, also there is a global cool down but I do believe they are separate for ability, bash, block, la, etc
    Edited by Waffennacht on June 18, 2017 4:44PM
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  • DocFrost72
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    .... 5 separate skills all in under a second!
    Have they disabled animations? Is it an exploit? Please someone help because this is just frustrating...

    Screenshot of what im on about:
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0Kpc4phkAW9dWhfa2tpM3NZalU/view?usp=sharing


    Allegedly, there is such a thing as "animation canceling" but I have not read any instructions as to how to do that. Supposedly, cancelling its animation doesn't stop an ability from being effected, but it does allow the player to use another ability immediately after the animation is cancelled. I don't know whether cancelling animation adversely affects abilities which have a Cast Time or Channel Time.

    It is not alleged, I can do it by hand. Press a skill key after a light attack, they both go off almost together. You cannot use more than one skill every .7 seconds, period. All animation cancel does is supercede a skill with something on a different cooldown. You can light attack, block, weapon swap etc with a skill, but you cannot animation cancel two skills to go off together. This is to help combat feel fast paced - imagine if you could only roll dodge if you were standing still and not about to attack.

    Channeled attacks are ceased after their current tick, if you cancel them with block. Useful for stopping the last 1.5 seconds of a radiant when you're about to get bulldozed.

    Edited by DocFrost72 on June 17, 2017 11:27PM

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  • olsborg
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    Also, just sayin, dont trust the timestamps of addons etc. Lagg and all that...

    I get called a cheater everyday, multiple times a day. I dont even know where to begin if I even wanted to cheat.
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  • BlitzWing97
    Thank you all for your help. Its actually been very insightful!
    i raise my hands and accept the screenshots i presented show 2 tone abilities plus extra effects. My own lack of knowledge there.

    But these aren't the only instances ;) so macro slice and in-game bug exploits are wonderful to hear about aha

    Cheers guys
  • Waffennacht
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    Thank you all for your help. Its actually been very insightful!
    i raise my hands and accept the screenshots i presented show 2 tone abilities plus extra effects. My own lack of knowledge there.

    But these aren't the only instances ;) so macro slice and in-game bug exploits are wonderful to hear about aha

    Cheers guys

    FYI animation cancelling is not an exploit, or cheating, it's just something that's there. It's when combined with proc sets, it's essentially bypassing the global cool down, it's essentially dealing 3 attacks in a moment.

    I'm not complaining as I'm on Xbox and it's actually very rare to see any real exploits or cheating
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  • Mazbt
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    When I was still doing large group pvp with a guild every pvp night you hear in ts "wtf i got hit by 5 abilities in a second i got macroed" I would love to actually get a list of the abilities used in those instances....Some could be a delayed damage like backlash, or a proc set that can go off just by an attack. Or u ani cancelled an ultimate like dawnbreaker or incap, and striagh into an execute.
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  • Wreuntzylla
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    JDC1985 wrote: »
    Idinuse wrote: »
    They cheat most of them, some are deliberatly triggering the so called "Macro Slice", w/wo an application in the backgrund doing it for them.

    Another moron that has no clue what they are saying just blowing smoke a macro makes your abilities go off slower plain and simple.

    And here we go again.

    To make a long story short, almost everyone that followed your path disappeared after the cheat engine bans and didn't reappear until the bans were lifted. It amounts to propaganda, makes no sense as an argument and in any case has been debunked multiple times on this forum.

    Instead of starting the cycle, let me just describe to you how the whole cycle goes.

    Player A: "Hey everyone, did you hear that Player Z is using a macro to perform better?"

    Player B: "Yeah, I hear he can defeat the cooldown."

    Players C, D, E and F to Player A: "Impossible, you moron! You can't macro in this game. Even if you could, skillful play performs better."

    Players C, D, E and F to Player B: [similar post]

    Player A: "Huh? Who ever argues something is impossible? And how would you know? Did you try it?"

    Player C and D : "Um, absolutely not, at least one person from ZoS said that is against ToS and can lead to a ban. Uh, I heard it from someone else." [E disappears from the thread.]

    Player A: "What? Who told you that?"

    Player C and D : "I can't tell you. It's a friend and I don't want to get them in trouble."

    Player A: "Let me get this straight. You argued that something is impossible and called me a moron because you heard from someone you can't identify that it was impossible and did the same in response to others. I mean, YOU haven't even tried it. Why would you care so much?"

    Player C: "Um, because, giving bad information, it's... um bad?" [player D disappears from the thread].

    Player A: "What exactly did your friend say? It wasn't possible using Razer or Logitech? Or wasn't possible scripting lua directly? How many platforms did he try? And why would something you can do yourself not work just as well with a macro? Like if someone recorded their own play and then used it instead. I mean, both are just signals from a computer, right? How about Player X who said he can make macros using cheat engine that let you do all sorts of crazy things, even fly?"

    Player C: "I'm done with this thread, if you can't accept the truth what's the point!"

    Edited by Wreuntzylla on June 19, 2017 9:29PM
  • Wreuntzylla
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    olsborg wrote: »
    Also, just sayin, dont trust the timestamps of addons etc. Lagg and all that...

    I get called a cheater everyday, multiple times a day. I dont even know where to begin if I even wanted to cheat.

    Why, did the timestamp function that the server sends to the client via the API get discontinued? Maybe ZoS' servers are incorrectly reporting the timestamp to the addon? Which addon, I haven't noticed any issues when testing with other players.
    Mazbt wrote: »
    When I was still doing large group pvp with a guild every pvp night you hear in ts "wtf i got hit by 5 abilities in a second i got macroed" I would love to actually get a list of the abilities used in those instances....Some could be a delayed damage like backlash, or a proc set that can go off just by an attack. Or u ani cancelled an ultimate like dawnbreaker or incap, and striagh into an execute.

    While you probably will never get to see your old guild's list, you can search these forums and find all sorts of great info, including screenshots of things happening in time frames they shouldn't. It was always chalked up to lag until a player leaving the game decided to make a point and used cheat engine to do all sorts of crazy stuff, and then posted a youtube video on it.
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