Morrowind: A Massive Dissapointment

asuitandtyb14_ESO

I came back to ESO for the Morrowind "dlc", and only because it was Morrowind. Morrowind has a special place in my heart; it was the first rpg of it's kind that I had ever played at the time of it's release. It really captivated me, it still does, and I would guess that's true for a lot of other, older folks as well. So the bar has already been set pretty high.

Now I knew that I would have to make some internal compromises to enjoy this "dlc", obviously they wouldn't recreate everything. However, at the end of the day I am paying the same price for this "dlc", that I paid for Morrowind back in 2002, so I was expecting quality. Wow was I wrong.

This "dlc" added some prettier, updated textures (for the most part). That's it, that's the good. It completely butchered everything else. Lore, culture, locations, architecture, outfits and armor, the Dunmer themselves. Absolutely butchered. This "dlc" needs to be treated like a Michael Bay movie to be enjoyed; you need to grit your teeth, and turn off that brain. Now if you've never played any TES game (especially Morrowind) and/or do not give any you know whats about the lore or the charm of TES 3: Morrowind, then this may be quite enjoyable- I wouldn't know.

I do not understand how Zenimax is okay selling this product. I wish I knew what Todd Howard does to dull the pain.

Agobi

Ok then thx for sharing

Qyrk

Can I have your stuff?

drakhan2002_ESO

It's not a DLC, it not an expansion...it's a Chapter. Get your "lore" right!

asuitandtyb14_ESO

Heart of Thorns was an expansion. Legion was an expansion. They added substantial content. This is a dlc. Set some standards.

Turelus

The shining part of Morrowind is the exploration and story.

The new trial is content for those who enjoy trials and end game challenges, PvP battlegrounds for those who wanted small scale PvP.

The expansion has a lot of content for people, sure it probably could have been a DLC and priced better but overall the content is spot on what was needed.

asuitandtyb14_ESO

Qyrk wrote: »

Can I have your stuff?

The classic joke for quitting threads, but this isn't one those is it. Get to reading.

[edit for baiting]

Tandor

I've played every TES game since Arena, and am loving Morrowind. I've just unpacked the physical collector's edition too, and it's awesome. I just don't get all the negative moans and groans on the forum, but each to his own I guess.

MCBIZZLE300

Qyrk wrote: »

Can I have your stuff?

It's getting old now...

SanTii.92

Care being more specific? In which way "dunmers got completly butchered", what does that even mean.

Agobi

mcb123 wrote: »

Qyrk wrote: »

Can I have your stuff?

It's getting old now...

So are the neverending whiny complaint-threads

Paulington

It's worth noting that the events of TESO: Morrowind take place around 800 years before TES3: Morrowind and so there will be differences. Locations change, architecture changes and lore changes.

Sorry you aren't enjoying it, however most of the lore buffs I know have fallen in love with this Chapter and are very happy with it.

Delta1038

Morrowind was my first TES game, played it a ton. Plus I am a super lore nerd for it all. I was beyond excited for Morrowind in ESO and so far it has not disappointed. It is not exactly as I remember, nostalgia and me being a lot younger combined with new technology and in game it is way earlier but it still feels like Morrowind to me. The regions, the people, the whole thing. I am sorry that you are not having a similar experience, I can imagine with fond memories from the past the let down must be pretty crappy. Hopefully though you will find some enjoyment in it, I know I am loving it all.

asuitandtyb14_ESO

Tandor wrote: »

I've played every TES game since Arena, and am loving Morrowind. I've just unpacked the physical collector's edition too, and it's awesome. I just don't get all the negative moans and groans on the forum, but each to his own I guess.

I bought it too, which I don't regret. The swag is nice!

GreenhaloX

Ha ha ha.. and it begins.. or has it already begun. Ha ha ha. Sorry, guys, I'm sure Morrowind will still be enjoyable for a lot of folks.

Bonzodog01

The reason they can make Morrowind look and behave so different in ESO compared to TES 3 is that its set some 1000 years before the first game.

asuitandtyb14_ESO

SanTii.92 wrote: »

Care being more specific? In which way "dunmers got completly butchered", what does that even mean.

I would encourage you to play TES 3 when you have some time, it'll be a way better explanation than my words.

Physically, they are too pretty. Not many have the tattoos, scarring and grit in the voice that is a Dunmer standard. Also, they are cursed with red eyes and red eyes only. Anytime I see otherwise I want to turn the game off immediately.

Culturally, they are so mild! In TES 3 I had to work my butt off to not get shanked. They hated "outsiders", even mainland Dunmer. Dunmer of Vvardenfell should be dour, grim, aggressive and slightly psychotically religious.

Flameheart

Will people ever realize and accept that solo RPG is solo RPG and MMO is MMO and that we play in a total different time and history frame in ESO ?

I don't think Vvardefell delivers too less content. Actually I am pretty pleased that I don't need weeks for a quest through, if you want to do it with more than one character.

Dracindo

drakhan2002_ESO wrote: »

It's not a DLC, it not an expansion...it's a Chapter. Get your "lore" right!

It's an Addon. The most expensive one as of now.

MrSaxon

The Warden alone has made this Chapter an instant win for me. It's quickly become my favorite class of the three I've tried (Sorcerer and DK being the other two) and I can't wait to set foot on Vvardenfell (as I'm just making sure I complete the main story first).

asuitandtyb14_ESO

Agobi wrote: »

mcb123 wrote: »

Qyrk wrote: »

Can I have your stuff?

It's getting old now...

So are the neverending whiny complaint-threads

It's a review. Deal with it, it's how we make progress and improve.

asuitandtyb14_ESO

GreenhaloX wrote: »

Ha ha ha.. and it begins.. or has it already begun. Ha ha ha. Sorry, guys, I'm sure Morrowind will still be enjoyable for a lot of folks.

That's absolutely fine. This is just my opinion and my review. It's not right or wrong.

DMuehlhausen

asuitandtyb14_ESO wrote: »

I came back to ESO for the Morrowind "dlc", and only because it was Morrowind. Morrowind has a special place in my heart; it was the first rpg of it's kind that I had ever played at the time of it's release. It really captivated me, it still does, and I would guess that's true for a lot of other, older folks as well. So the bar has already been set pretty high.

Now I knew that I would have to make some internal compromises to enjoy this "dlc", obviously they wouldn't recreate everything. However, at the end of the day I am paying the same price for this "dlc", that I paid for Morrowind back in 2002, so I was expecting quality. Wow was I wrong.

This "dlc" added some prettier, updated textures (for the most part). That's it, that's the good. It completely butchered everything else. Lore, culture, locations, architecture, outfits and armor, the Dunmer themselves. Absolutely butchered. This "dlc" needs to be treated like a Michael Bay movie to be enjoyed; you need to grit your teeth, and turn off that brain. Now if you've never played any TES game (especially Morrowind) and/or do not give any you know whats about the lore or the charm of TES 3: Morrowind, then this may be quite enjoyable- I wouldn't know.

I do not understand how Zenimax is okay selling this product. I wish I knew what Todd Howard does to dull the pain.

When you go out of your way to keep doing "dlc" you never should have bought it. With everything that comes with it it's not a "dlc" it's an expansion. Sure some expansions in other games are bigger, there are some smaller. Stop whining about it. It's a good amount of extra content and it was designed well. I enjoy the new delves a lot I hope that is how they go forward instead of just making them essentially a flat circle with some stairs.

asuitandtyb14_ESO

MrSaxon wrote: »

The Warden alone has made this Chapter an instant win for me. It's quickly become my favorite class of the three I've tried (Sorcerer and DK being the other two) and I can't wait to set foot on Vvardenfell (as I'm just making sure I complete the main story first).

The warden is very enjoyable.

asuitandtyb14_ESO

Bonzodog01 wrote: »

The reason they can make Morrowind look and behave so different in ESO compared to TES 3 is that its set some 1000 years before the first game.

I'm sick of that excuse. It's an excuse, that's all. You don't get to use that when they re-created Seyda Neen down to the f'n blades of grass (as if this third Empire town somehow existed in a preserving time bubble). Some things do change over time, others do not. I'm aware of this. I considered this. It is not an excuse unless this Morrowind is part of a vast multiverse.

Elsonso

GreenhaloX wrote: »

Ha ha ha.. and it begins.. or has it already begun. Ha ha ha. Sorry, guys, I'm sure Morrowind will still be enjoyable for a lot of folks.

Of that, there is absolutely no doubt.

asuitandtyb14_ESO

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

asuitandtyb14_ESO wrote: »

I came back to ESO for the Morrowind "dlc", and only because it was Morrowind. Morrowind has a special place in my heart; it was the first rpg of it's kind that I had ever played at the time of it's release. It really captivated me, it still does, and I would guess that's true for a lot of other, older folks as well. So the bar has already been set pretty high.

Now I knew that I would have to make some internal compromises to enjoy this "dlc", obviously they wouldn't recreate everything. However, at the end of the day I am paying the same price for this "dlc", that I paid for Morrowind back in 2002, so I was expecting quality. Wow was I wrong.

This "dlc" added some prettier, updated textures (for the most part). That's it, that's the good. It completely butchered everything else. Lore, culture, locations, architecture, outfits and armor, the Dunmer themselves. Absolutely butchered. This "dlc" needs to be treated like a Michael Bay movie to be enjoyed; you need to grit your teeth, and turn off that brain. Now if you've never played any TES game (especially Morrowind) and/or do not give any you know whats about the lore or the charm of TES 3: Morrowind, then this may be quite enjoyable- I wouldn't know.

I do not understand how Zenimax is okay selling this product. I wish I knew what Todd Howard does to dull the pain.

When you go out of your way to keep doing "dlc" you never should have bought it. With everything that comes with it it's not a "dlc" it's an expansion. Sure some expansions in other games are bigger, there are some smaller. Stop whining about it. It's a good amount of extra content and it was designed well. I enjoy the new delves a lot I hope that is how they go forward instead of just making them essentially a flat circle with some stairs.

My issue with it is the authenticity to its source, not the value of cash to content. But I'm not going to call a tomato an orange either. To be called an expansion it needs to be an expansion. Bloodmoon was an expansion.

STEVIL

asuitandtyb14_ESO wrote: »

I came back to ESO for the Morrowind "dlc", and only because it was Morrowind. Morrowind has a special place in my heart; it was the first rpg of it's kind that I had ever played at the time of it's release. It really captivated me, it still does, and I would guess that's true for a lot of other, older folks as well. So the bar has already been set pretty high.

Now I knew that I would have to make some internal compromises to enjoy this "dlc", obviously they wouldn't recreate everything. However, at the end of the day I am paying the same price for this "dlc", that I paid for Morrowind back in 2002, so I was expecting quality. Wow was I wrong.

This "dlc" added some prettier, updated textures (for the most part). That's it, that's the good. It completely butchered everything else. Lore, culture, locations, architecture, outfits and armor, the Dunmer themselves. Absolutely butchered. This "dlc" needs to be treated like a Michael Bay movie to be enjoyed; you need to grit your teeth, and turn off that brain. Now if you've never played any TES game (especially Morrowind) and/or do not give any you know whats about the lore or the charm of TES 3: Morrowind, then this may be quite enjoyable- I wouldn't know.

I do not understand how Zenimax is okay selling this product. I wish I knew what Todd Howard does to dull the pain.

. Lore, culture, locations, architecture, outfits and armor, the Dunmer themselves. Absolutely butchered.

Vague much?

I admit to have not having seen the whole of Morrow yet.

but so far i have not seen butchered Dunmer.

Were they being filleted for a nice thin sliced Dunmer snitzel?
Were they being ground up for a tasty Dunmer meatloaf?
Were they being chunked for a hearty Dunmer Chili Con Shroom?

Got recipes?

So far I am enjoying Morrow quite a bit.

The criticism i would give it is that it feels and plays more like Orsinium, Hews, Gold than Auridon, Stonefalls or Glenumbra. The quests are long and involved and often take quite a bit more playtime than say the "early zone" quests do. They often rely on skills noty normally unlocked and developed for starting characters.

The feel is more "advanced content" than "opener content" in almost every way.

Now, for me, that is a good thing. long time player, many advanced characters, full opportunity to take new wardens over to mainland starter zones for leveling.

but for those who are starting new, starting out in this zone is a less "starter friendly" situation than the mainland was.

So, IMO as a starter zone someone plays a new character, perhaps their first one, i do not think this will provide as good a sense of gameplay as it should.

On the other hand, for longer term folks like me, its great.

So, while i feel it lived up to its expectations for me (so far) i do not think it has shown itself to be a good starter zone for new players.

Now, if i do find Dunmer-based recipes... that will be even better.

Callous2208

I always thought TES 3 as a game sucked hardcore. Just an alien mess of stupidity and dice roll combat. Morrowind expansion for eso is pretty good though.

asuitandtyb14_ESO

STEVIL wrote: »

asuitandtyb14_ESO wrote: »

I came back to ESO for the Morrowind "dlc", and only because it was Morrowind. Morrowind has a special place in my heart; it was the first rpg of it's kind that I had ever played at the time of it's release. It really captivated me, it still does, and I would guess that's true for a lot of other, older folks as well. So the bar has already been set pretty high.

Now I knew that I would have to make some internal compromises to enjoy this "dlc", obviously they wouldn't recreate everything. However, at the end of the day I am paying the same price for this "dlc", that I paid for Morrowind back in 2002, so I was expecting quality. Wow was I wrong.

This "dlc" added some prettier, updated textures (for the most part). That's it, that's the good. It completely butchered everything else. Lore, culture, locations, architecture, outfits and armor, the Dunmer themselves. Absolutely butchered. This "dlc" needs to be treated like a Michael Bay movie to be enjoyed; you need to grit your teeth, and turn off that brain. Now if you've never played any TES game (especially Morrowind) and/or do not give any you know whats about the lore or the charm of TES 3: Morrowind, then this may be quite enjoyable- I wouldn't know.

I do not understand how Zenimax is okay selling this product. I wish I knew what Todd Howard does to dull the pain.

. Lore, culture, locations, architecture, outfits and armor, the Dunmer themselves. Absolutely butchered.

Vague much?

I admit to have not having seen the whole of Morrow yet.

but so far i have not seen butchered Dunmer.

Were they being filleted for a nice thin sliced Dunmer snitzel?
Were they being ground up for a tasty Dunmer meatloaf?
Were they being chunked for a hearty Dunmer Chili Con Shroom?

Got recipes?

So far I am enjoying Morrow quite a bit.

The criticism i would give it is that it feels and plays more like Orsinium, Hews, Gold than Auridon, Stonefalls or Glenumbra. The quests are long and involved and often take quite a bit more playtime than say the "early zone" quests do. They often rely on skills noty normally unlocked and developed for starting characters.

The feel is more "advanced content" than "opener content" in almost every way.

Now, for me, that is a good thing. long time player, many advanced characters, full opportunity to take new wardens over to mainland starter zones for leveling.

but for those who are starting new, starting out in this zone is a less "starter friendly" situation than the mainland was.

So, IMO as a starter zone someone plays a new character, perhaps their first one, i do not think this will provide as good a sense of gameplay as it should.

On the other hand, for longer term folks like me, its great.

So, while i feel it lived up to its expectations for me (so far) i do not think it has shown itself to be a good starter zone for new players.

Now, if i do find Dunmer-based recipes... that will be even better.

I'm sorry that you could differentiate a figurative verb from a literal one. What it means is that Zenimax did do a good job of respecting the source material.

asuitandtyb14_ESO

Callous2208 wrote: »

I always thought TES 3 as a game sucked hardcore. Just an alien mess of stupidity and dice roll combat. Morrowind expansion for eso is pretty good though.

That's fair, that is after all your opinion.