Battlegrounds still broken

zsban

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Those fixes are still going through engineer reviews and QA testing so when they pass those we can give an ETA.

Great news, thank you! Any chance to push it to PTS?

Sophieous

zsban wrote: »

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Those fixes are still going through engineer reviews and QA testing so when they pass those we can give an ETA.

Great news, thank you! Any chance to push it to PTS?

PTS doesn't have the queueing issues LIVE does.

Paraflex

Broken on PS4 I'd say it's around 10% of the time the Queue works. Do they even play the game?

TomLukman

Just out of curiosity, has anyone ever made it into battlegrounds with a 4 man group?

ZOS_BrianWheeler

Any fixes we find get pushed right to Live at this point.

TomLukman

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Any fixes we find get pushed right to Live at this point.

That's awesome Brian - some of us are dying for some proper battle grounds PvP. Ever since release we couldn't get a four man group into BG - not even once.

Drakkdjinn

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Any fixes we find get pushed right to Live at this point.

Try using the PTS before pushing unfinished features to Live next time.

Avran_Sylt

Gravord wrote: »

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

We have some more fixes in the works regarding how the server requests instances of Battlegrounds/Dungeons. This potentially fixes several cases such as getting a full ready check then getting a "someone declined message" as well as getting kicked back to the queue/ready check after you get "forming group" messages.

Awesome. Any date we can expect it to be ready and pushed live?

Drakkdjinn wrote: »

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Any fixes we find get pushed right to Live at this point.

Try using the PTS before pushing unfinished features to Live next time.

PTS is down, presumably for E3, but officially down for maintenance.

KingJ

The issue is even worst on Xbox.

mihaiisraging

KingJ wrote: »

The issue is even worst on Xbox.

Wbat do you mean? Btw, if you want to share with us any bug,feel free to comment here https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/349053/battlegrounds-bugs-and-lack-of-features-please-stop-ignoring-us-zos-updated-6-9/p1

mihaiisraging

Absalon wrote: »

BATTLEGROUNDS = ELITE

How are people supposed to afford that much of Poisons / Immo potions?

Since without them you're in clearly disadvantaged.

This is what I am saying everyday:"why do no they make pvp more rewarding?"

Jamascus

Gravord wrote: »

Same bs "someone decline inv" when trying to enter bg as a group... third f. patch and still cant play it. WTF zos?

It's not broken, they added more RNG, sometimes you'll get into a bg, sometimes you'll get kicked and given the lockout timer, sometimes you'll get put back in the queue...

NordJitsu

If someone que's for Battle Grounds and then decides to go open a chest or fight a boss, they deserve to lose their progress. Que when you're ready to play and not before. There's no need to build a feature that prevents groups from forming smoothly to satisfy a small subset of players doing something they shouldn't be doing.

But there are a plethora of problems with the grouping tool beyond this. It doesn't match groups evenly, either in number or level. There don't even appear to be two promised tiers (vet and non vet).

Personally I've been able to get into BGs in less than 6 minutes every time. So the ready check isn't as big an issue for me as all the other grouping issues.

My worst surprise was when I switched onto my level 10 alt, who I created for Morrowind, and qued for a BG. I got matched with CP400s and above.

Smmokkee

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

To be fair, you will receive the message that someone declined the invitation if someone does legitimately decline the Ready Check.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

To be clear, the message you all are seeing about someone in your group declining the invite could be for any one of the 12 players in your group - not just anyone on your own team. This is working as designed. However! We are actively investigating to see if there's any remaining bugs with this system that's causing you to be kicked back to the queue incessantly.

We need to ask if everyone is ready to join the Battleground, otherwise you could be ported over if you're in the middle of doing something else (killing a boss, looting a chest, etc).

So if one person declines the rest of the 11 are out of luck. That's horrible design and makes no sense added that when a q pops you can be in a 4v3v2.. So really it doesn't even make sense. Games should be full of 4v4v4 within the current system.

Not to mention you've given trolls the ultimate ammo to just queue up endlessly and decline it. I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if someone was doing this lol. If you queue up for a BG and miss the invite you should get the deserter penalty.

SwaminoNowlino

I'm really not trying to be a smart a** or exaggerate, but at what point do we seriously get to start talking about refunds? I bought Morrowind for battlegrounds. I literally, not exaggerating at all I swear, haven't gotten to play a single battleground match...

KingJ

Just removed the ready check if you que up send everyone into the BG.

billp_ESO

Uncle_Sweetshare wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

Well maybe if we're lucky @ZOS_BrianWheeler logs in to the game often enough in the next time so we can have a working product in 6 months.

We should start taking bets on how long it will take ZOS to bring Battlegrounds up to par with other MMO's PvP arenas.

I remember when DAOC came out with battlegrounds. PvP fight people in your same level, capture keeps, etc.

That was over 15 years ago.

KingJ

I just want to play the game with my friends and BG won't work.

Smmokkee

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Any fixes we find get pushed right to Live at this point.

Hey uhh why don't you guys remove resource cost poisons and cut the effectiveness of proc sets in half or better yet, remove those too. That's something you guys should push to live asap to save the integrity of battlegrounds. How can you push no cp pvp and nerf sustain across the board without rebalancing sets??

Feanor

@ZOS_BrianWheeler

Thank you for posting. If we get more of that info in a shorter time frame I'm sure players would be more patient and less infuriated. It's actually a testament to the passion we all have for this game.

aegisfire1975

Yes, it is still broken. I queued up solo just to try it out real quick and I only was assigned one team mate so the other 2 teams had 4 players and we just had two. It was not fun. That was the one and only time I tried it. I will try again. I know others have had fun with it so my first and only experience was ruined.

Tavore1138

The latest craziness... started off in a 2 v 2 v 2 situation but as the match progressed the other teams had players added until it was 4 v 4 v 2... haven't seen that particular bug before but how the gosh darned heck can it be sane to be porting additional players in half way through a match?

TequilaFire

mihaiisraging wrote: »

Absalon wrote: »

BATTLEGROUNDS = ELITE

How are people supposed to afford that much of Poisons / Immo potions?

Since without them you're in clearly disadvantaged.

This is what I am saying everyday:"why do no they make pvp more rewarding?"

Uh, you guys do realize with just a little effort you can make your own poisons/potions like a lot of us do.

BigES

The ready check should occur before match making. Not when a match is found.

If the group leader attempts to queue for BGs, then the group gets a ready check. Once the group checks ready, they are locked in for match making.

Not exactly rocket science.

BigES

ZoS queuing logic at a drag strip:

OK EVERYONE, START YOUR ENGINES.

DRIVERS, READY?

OKAY ON 3... 2.. 1.. (waves flag)

(all cars stationary at the start line)

OKAY, NOW WE'RE GOING TO READY CHECK. SO ONCE YOU.... GOD DAMN IT BILL. WHY DIDN'T YOU READY CHECK?

OK EVERYONE, START YOUR ENGINES

DRIVERS, READY?

OKAY ON 3... 2.. 1.. (waves flag)

(all cars stationary at the start line)

.......................

Cocorocho

Is group finder also getting a fix? @ZOS

KingJ

So group que seem to be the most broken during prime time they just don't work. During off hours such as late at night 3-4 AM est you can get a group in rather quickly same in the morning to afternoon your group can get into a match rather easy.

@ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_GinaBruno something is happening during prime time that's are making things worst .

TomLukman

Btw. let me tell you a little story...

Several guild mates pre-ordered Morrowind a day or two before it got released (early access) - and I told them: "Battlegrounds are going to be broken for one reason or another! We won't be able to group in or there will be a server limit on how many BG matches can exist at the same time, which will leave people in queues forever!" Long story short, I ended up buying Morrowind a day before early access....

The result: I was conned, taken advantage off... done up like a kipper... almost 3 weeks since then and I never ever experienced proper battlegrounds with a full 4 man group.

My fault for not listening to my own hunch... again! While I could totally still get my money back, I'm not doing it only, and ONLY, because this game provided me with more then 5000 hours of entertainment.

Sigtric

NordJitsu wrote: »

If someone que's for Battle Grounds and then decides to go open a chest or fight a boss, they deserve to lose their progress. Que when you're ready to play and not before. There's no need to build a feature that prevents groups from forming smoothly to satisfy a small subset of players doing something they shouldn't be doing.

But there are a plethora of problems with the grouping tool beyond this. It doesn't match groups evenly, either in number or level. There don't even appear to be two promised tiers (vet and non vet).

Personally I've been able to get into BGs in less than 6 minutes every time. So the ready check isn't as big an issue for me as all the other grouping issues.

My worst surprise was when I switched onto my level 10 alt, who I created for Morrowind, and qued for a BG. I got matched with CP400s and above.

CP doesn't have anything to do with anything in Battlegrounds...

zsban

Sigtric wrote: »

NordJitsu wrote: »

If someone que's for Battle Grounds and then decides to go open a chest or fight a boss, they deserve to lose their progress. Que when you're ready to play and not before. There's no need to build a feature that prevents groups from forming smoothly to satisfy a small subset of players doing something they shouldn't be doing.

But there are a plethora of problems with the grouping tool beyond this. It doesn't match groups evenly, either in number or level. There don't even appear to be two promised tiers (vet and non vet).

Personally I've been able to get into BGs in less than 6 minutes every time. So the ready check isn't as big an issue for me as all the other grouping issues.

My worst surprise was when I switched onto my level 10 alt, who I created for Morrowind, and qued for a BG. I got matched with CP400s and above.

CP doesn't have anything to do with anything in Battlegrounds...

That's true, but also a level 10 has way less skills unlocked than a CP400 which is essentially a level 50 toon.