THE PROCALYPSE

Skoomah

When I survive through the burst from proc sets, most of the time I can kill someone. And when I don't kill someone when trying to proc them down, I'm wide open to dying because my stats are crap.

High QUALITY FIGHTS and COMPETITIVE BATTLES amongst all classes is what the goal should be.

I have 5 different gear combinations that are all distinctly different from one another. All are OP in there own way depending on the situation (solo, small group, raid, death match, capture the flag). If you stick to only one build for all modes, yes, you wil get rocked. I think proc builds have their place, but they definitely are not the most effective in all situations.

Dottzgaming

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

I think the simplest solution would be to put all procs on the same universal timer. This will fix the issue of stacking multiple proc sets. If there's a universal ICD, then only one proc every so many seconds can fire off.

This. simplest solution ZOS could employ and it would help a ton.

Sandman929

14 pages, and ZOS's only reply is one telling us to keep things civil. Excellent communication, ZOS, as always. You're really doing a bang up job here.

Skoomah

Every monster helm and many armor sets are based off procs. A global cooldown would ruin the synergys people consider when pairing up gear sets for builds. Bad idea.

akray21

I see many people advocating making procs usless... This can NOT be a solution. The game has already wasted so much of my time. Nerfing procs into the ground would make my grind for the Debaser and Selen's shoulders a waste of time... Soooo many hours spent doing content I didn't want to do!

Sandman929

Skoomah wrote: »

Every monster helm and many armor sets are based off procs. A global cooldown would ruin the synergys people consider when pairing up gear sets for builds. Bad idea.

You're right, it would completely ruin the currently broken and ridiculous current state of the game.

Sandman929

akray21 wrote: »

I see many people advocating making procs usless... This can NOT be a solution. The game has already wasted so much of my time. Nerfing procs into the ground would make my grind for the Debaser and Selen's shoulders a waste of time... Soooo many hours spent doing content I didn't want to do!

Yeah, I hadn't considered the possibility that making player skill more important than proc damage might inconvenience you. I don't know what I was thinking.

akray21

Sandman929 wrote: »

akray21 wrote: »

I see many people advocating making procs usless... This can NOT be a solution. The game has already wasted so much of my time. Nerfing procs into the ground would make my grind for the Debaser and Selen's shoulders a waste of time... Soooo many hours spent doing content I didn't want to do!

Yeah, I hadn't considered the possibility that making player skill more important than proc damage might inconvenience you. I don't know what I was thinking.

It's not only me who spent hours upon hours farming this stuff... You must not understand how valuable time is, it's the only resource in life that we can't obtain more of.

Sandman929

akray21 wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

akray21 wrote: »

I see many people advocating making procs usless... This can NOT be a solution. The game has already wasted so much of my time. Nerfing procs into the ground would make my grind for the Debaser and Selen's shoulders a waste of time... Soooo many hours spent doing content I didn't want to do!

Yeah, I hadn't considered the possibility that making player skill more important than proc damage might inconvenience you. I don't know what I was thinking.

It's not only me who spent hours upon hours farming this stuff... You must not understand how valuable time is, it's the only resource in life that we can't obtain more of.

I've farmed too. It's still gotta go because as a system, it's stupid.

akray21

Sandman929 wrote: »

akray21 wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

akray21 wrote: »

I see many people advocating making procs usless... This can NOT be a solution. The game has already wasted so much of my time. Nerfing procs into the ground would make my grind for the Debaser and Selen's shoulders a waste of time... Soooo many hours spent doing content I didn't want to do!

Yeah, I hadn't considered the possibility that making player skill more important than proc damage might inconvenience you. I don't know what I was thinking.

It's not only me who spent hours upon hours farming this stuff... You must not understand how valuable time is, it's the only resource in life that we can't obtain more of.

I've farmed too. It's still gotta go because as a system, it's stupid.

I can't be bothered with a game that blatantly wastes my time. I have a life outside of the virtual world. Full time job, wife, mortgage, children. Your hours spent farming might take you a day, mine might take a week or two, or more, because I don't have much time to play each day.

There is an answer to proc sets, and it's not to make them usless.

Sandman929

akray21 wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

akray21 wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

akray21 wrote: »

I see many people advocating making procs usless... This can NOT be a solution. The game has already wasted so much of my time. Nerfing procs into the ground would make my grind for the Debaser and Selen's shoulders a waste of time... Soooo many hours spent doing content I didn't want to do!

Yeah, I hadn't considered the possibility that making player skill more important than proc damage might inconvenience you. I don't know what I was thinking.

It's not only me who spent hours upon hours farming this stuff... You must not understand how valuable time is, it's the only resource in life that we can't obtain more of.

I've farmed too. It's still gotta go because as a system, it's stupid.

I can't be bothered with a game that blatantly wastes my time. I have a life outside of the virtual world. Full time job, wife, mortgage, children. There is an answer to proc sets, and it's not to make them usless. Your hours spent farming might take you a day, mine might take a week or two because I do t have much time to play each day.

Same boat...family, job...weeks of farming. I can't bring my self to embrace crap gameplay, regardless.

thankyourat

akray21 wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

akray21 wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

akray21 wrote: »

I see many people advocating making procs usless... This can NOT be a solution. The game has already wasted so much of my time. Nerfing procs into the ground would make my grind for the Debaser and Selen's shoulders a waste of time... Soooo many hours spent doing content I didn't want to do!

Yeah, I hadn't considered the possibility that making player skill more important than proc damage might inconvenience you. I don't know what I was thinking.

It's not only me who spent hours upon hours farming this stuff... You must not understand how valuable time is, it's the only resource in life that we can't obtain more of.

I've farmed too. It's still gotta go because as a system, it's stupid.

I can't be bothered with a game that blatantly wastes my time. I have a life outside of the virtual world. Full time job, wife, mortgage, children. Your hours spent farming might take you a day, mine might take a week or two because I don't have much time to play each day.

There is an answer to proc sets, and it's not to make them usless.

Lol i have a wife a house and a family as well, what does this have to do with the game being broken. When you farmed the broken sets you had to know they would be nerfed eventually

NBrookus

Sandman929 wrote: »

Skoomah wrote: »

Every monster helm and many armor sets are based off procs. A global cooldown would ruin the synergys people consider when pairing up gear sets for builds. Bad idea.

You're right, it would completely ruin the currently broken and ridiculous current state of the game.

Well if sets like Bloodspawn are considered a proc, yeah, it would be a battleaxe where a scalpel is needed.

akray21

thankyourat wrote: »

akray21 wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

akray21 wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

akray21 wrote: »

I see many people advocating making procs usless... This can NOT be a solution. The game has already wasted so much of my time. Nerfing procs into the ground would make my grind for the Debaser and Selen's shoulders a waste of time... Soooo many hours spent doing content I didn't want to do!

Yeah, I hadn't considered the possibility that making player skill more important than proc damage might inconvenience you. I don't know what I was thinking.

It's not only me who spent hours upon hours farming this stuff... You must not understand how valuable time is, it's the only resource in life that we can't obtain more of.

I've farmed too. It's still gotta go because as a system, it's stupid.

I can't be bothered with a game that blatantly wastes my time. I have a life outside of the virtual world. Full time job, wife, mortgage, children. Your hours spent farming might take you a day, mine might take a week or two because I don't have much time to play each day.

There is an answer to proc sets, and it's not to make them usless.

Lol i have a wife a house and a family as well, what does this have to do with the game being broken. When you farmed the broken sets you had to know they would be nerfed eventually

If there is nothing it writing from ZOS that says something is going to be changed there is no way to know. I'm not saying a change isn't needed, I'm saying they shouldn't make sets usless that people spent valuable time farming stupid repetitive content with a broken drop system. They can change procs and bring balance without obliterating the sets usefulness.

Skoomah

I survive proc builds just fine. The only time it gets dicey is when I am outnumbered 3 to 1 and in those instances you're supposed to die because you're OUTNUMBERED. The game's design shouldn't be based around feedback from players who want to get ratings by 1vX'ing a ton of people and coming out on top so they can make more money off streams. I'm sick and tired of misinformation in the forums causing nerf after nerf, patch after patch to my class, builds, and preferred playstyle. People that spend the time to grind gear, champ points, skills, pvp experience, experience with teams with high level play that synergize well, should definitely be at an advantage over the people who have invested less into the game. If you build to be the most deadly player, you should be rewarded for it with wins, not nerf after nerf.

br0steen

Skoomah wrote: »

I survive proc builds just fine. The only time it gets dicey is when I am outnumbered 3 to 1 and in those instances you're supposed to die because you're OUTNUMBERED. The game's design shouldn't be based around feedback from players who want to get ratings by 1vX'ing a ton of people and coming out on top so they can make more money off streams. I'm sick and tired of misinformation in the forums causing nerf after nerf, patch after patch to my class, builds, and preferred playstyle. People that spend the time to grind gear, champ points, skills, pvp experience, experience with teams with high level play that synergize well, should definitely be at an advantage over the people who have invested less into the game. If you build to be the most deadly player, you should be rewarded for it with wins, not nerf after nerf.

Yea but at the same time if 4 bad players fought you and you have the ability to kill them without proc sets that should be permissible. Right now those 4 bad players just taunt you and you die while they are all at half health. Being a good player should still be rewarding, but I guess that's why so many say screw it and get on the proc train. Streamers still fight outnumbered they just wear proc sets too.

Maybe the answer should be make every set a proc set?

Waffennacht

akray21 wrote: »

I see many people advocating making procs usless... This can NOT be a solution. The game has already wasted so much of my time. Nerfing procs into the ground would make my grind for the Debaser and Selen's shoulders a waste of time... Soooo many hours spent doing content I didn't want to do!

I gotta say

The fact this comment exists is really bad.

It speaks volumes about: the grind, the content itself, the consistency of nerfs, the inconsistency in balance and the fact these sets are so OP people MUST spend massive amounts of their oh so valuable time to acquire.

Tisk tisk

Prospero_ESO

akray21 wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

akray21 wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

akray21 wrote: »

I see many people advocating making procs usless... This can NOT be a solution. The game has already wasted so much of my time. Nerfing procs into the ground would make my grind for the Debaser and Selen's shoulders a waste of time... Soooo many hours spent doing content I didn't want to do!

Yeah, I hadn't considered the possibility that making player skill more important than proc damage might inconvenience you. I don't know what I was thinking.

It's not only me who spent hours upon hours farming this stuff... You must not understand how valuable time is, it's the only resource in life that we can't obtain more of.

I've farmed too. It's still gotta go because as a system, it's stupid.

I can't be bothered with a game that blatantly wastes my time. I have a life outside of the virtual world. Full time job, wife, mortgage, children. Your hours spent farming might take you a day, mine might take a week or two, or more, because I don't have much time to play each day.

There is an answer to proc sets, and it's not to make them usless.

So you are justifying obvious broken game mechanics wirh your personal life situation ? Sorry but that's the lamest try of an excuse i've ever heard

FearlessOne_2014

akray21 wrote: »

I see many people advocating making procs usless... This can NOT be a solution. The game has already wasted so much of my time. Nerfing procs into the ground would make my grind for the Debaser and Selen's shoulders a waste of time... Soooo many hours spent doing content I didn't want to do!

If you watch just the first minute of my video here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzts-wD8dKg&t=934s

You'll understand me when I say. I feel your pain. It was painful for me as well. However the nerf bat needs to hit procs hard. The way that proc sets are dominating the PvP scene just makes the game. Quite boring and frustrating to play. Procs set need their damage against players gone!

Kram8ion

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Not all procs are OP though and a universal nerf will bury the unused sets, i don't want more unused sets either.

Hoping zos adjust individual proc sets viper/ selene/ skoria/ red mountain etc... rather than flat out nerf them all again.

Don't forget to put axebleeds on the nerf list as well...

Whats op about axe bleeds?

They create axe wounds that can ruin your life

akray21

FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »

akray21 wrote: »

I see many people advocating making procs usless... This can NOT be a solution. The game has already wasted so much of my time. Nerfing procs into the ground would make my grind for the Debaser and Selen's shoulders a waste of time... Soooo many hours spent doing content I didn't want to do!

If you watch just the first minute of my video here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzts-wD8dKg&t=934s

You'll understand me when I say. I feel your pain. It was painful for me as well. However the nerf bat needs to hit procs hard. The way that proc sets are dominating the PvP scene just makes the game. Quite boring and frustrating to play. Procs set need their damage against players gone!

Disagree. I could be on board with damage reduction on select proc sets (Viper, Red Mountain, etc.). But never will I agree with making sets usless.

Proc sets should be about making sacrifices in your build. You should be trading sustain for burst. Right now Viper is simply BiS, but with tuning it could be become a viable option for burst builds instead of BiS for overall damage.

I don't know where I saw the calculations, but someone showed the math on Viper vs Hundings. They showed how Hundings is just slightly lower in damage in the opening 4 second burst with a proper LA weave.

Stigant

In most of other MMOs I have ever played setbonuses were kind of a fine tuning feature of your character that gave you slight bonuses. In this game, sadly, the gear is the build ... every player can, for example, slap on viper and tremorscale and "spam ransack" to be viable... no matter what class or race you initially chose... there goes the "choices matter" sales pitch of ESO.

If you choose to go different route, then you are basically selfgimping your character.... sad.

sly007

Bosov wrote: »

Cant all the proc damage sets have something like negate has? A different effect in PVE and in PVP? ''Viper sting, this effect will have no effect on human players'' ''Selene, the not so friendly bear wont harm human player'' ''Skoria, skoria has no problems with humans and his wrath will not occur'' Or just put a serious cooldown on it.. a cooldown of about 24 hours would be nice. That way a really bad player can still get his or her daily kill with some procs!

Stam NB = cloak, ambush, viper, suprise, (decent nb will now fear but most wont) incap, viper, selene, execute. Failed? Cloak and repeat the whole 4 button combo...

Mag temp/dk = place dots (fire stuff from dk, sweeps and purify damage thing from templar), hold block and wait for skoria to do your damage.

As a lower cp player or non cp player it is even worse.. you cant outheal/revcover from a viper, poisons and selene before the proccer does the same viper, selene and poison combo.

Edit :
The new DK tank meta overpreformed during Morrowind and got nerfed ASAP... Viper, Selene, Red mountain and all the other stuff does overperform in pvp (Yes it does, if it didnt 99% of the people wouldnt be using it) so shouldnt that be nerfed/changed in the next patch? Nah.. not likely. This will just be another proc patch to endure like the patch before they removed the abilty for proc sets to crit.

Omg, soo true. It got nerfed so fast I was legitimately surprised.

Jules

Skoomah wrote: »

I survive proc builds just fine. The only time it gets dicey is when I am outnumbered 3 to 1 and in those instances you're supposed to die because you're OUTNUMBERED. The game's design shouldn't be based around feedback from players who want to get ratings by 1vX'ing a ton of people and coming out on top so they can make more money off streams. I'm sick and tired of misinformation in the forums causing nerf after nerf, patch after patch to my class, builds, and preferred playstyle. People that spend the time to grind gear, champ points, skills, pvp experience, experience with teams with high level play that synergize well, should definitely be at an advantage over the people who have invested less into the game. If you build to be the most deadly player, you should be rewarded for it with wins, not nerf after nerf.

First and foremost: lol
Thank you for the either the most delusionally funny post yet, and/or the best troll.

Also, I am very sorry your "preferred playstyle" is to have your gear do the damage for you but this is about the entire integrity of PVP at this point. You wanna sit here and whine about how your stuff is getting nerfed, good. It should be. The truth is it should have never existed to begin with. Enjoy it while it lasts.

Joy_Division

FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »

akray21 wrote: »

I see many people advocating making procs usless... This can NOT be a solution. The game has already wasted so much of my time. Nerfing procs into the ground would make my grind for the Debaser and Selen's shoulders a waste of time... Soooo many hours spent doing content I didn't want to do!

If you watch just the first minute of my video here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzts-wD8dKg&t=934s

You'll understand me when I say. I feel your pain. It was painful for me as well. However the nerf bat needs to hit procs hard. The way that proc sets are dominating the PvP scene just makes the game. Quite boring and frustrating to play. Procs set need their damage against players gone!

I'm not sure what I am looking at it the first two minutes. Without a combat log it is difficult to assess what's going on. All I saw was an attempted horse-gank and you dying to a highly skilled player. What am I supposed to be seeing?

ZoS could just disable proc set damage, but that is precisely the sort of lazy band-aid solution it has been (rightly) criticized for using in the past. It would be preferable to identify the culprit - 5 piece instant and invisible burst damage sets that can be stacked with themselves and a monster set - and rework that mechanic to prevent procs from being abused.

Rickter

Jules wrote: »

The truth is it should have never existed to begin with. Enjoy it while it lasts.

wait. . does that imply ZOS will actually do something about this? because we already established how proc sets of viper and tremorscale were in the golden vendor in the same week and how the build spotlight was a proc build. .

seems like its here to stay

Rickter

why cant I link your name, Jules? even my direct quote of you takes me to some ghost account

Killset

FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »

ezeepeezee wrote: »

Just wanna leave a comment here, another one of many people tired of this proc set thing. I was very much looking forward to BG's, I've been playing this game a long time and I'm here for the PVP. I haven't been in BG's but a handful of times since they came out. They are truly awful.

Videos of your's truely FearlessOne. Stooping low, to the level of the other bads, for the first time in ESO. I've tried to reason with that which can not be reasoned with. I've hit a brick wall like many of you guys.

So I decided if ZOS is just going to let these proc set be this OP. Then a change of mindset and strategy is in order. I've decided to throw all of my gaming morals and values to the curb, and raise the good ole Jolly Rogers. Screw Morality if the gods of this universe is not going to enforce fair play for all. Then I might as well become my most hated enemy and prey on the flock. In a full fledge potato mode engaged status.


The first look at my set up. Not much special just your standard Procblade build.

https://youtu.be/L1qntVXB_DI

Here is my first try at this brain dead playstyle.

https://youtu.be/wtwSDDzKnHY

More videos to follow. These gear sets should not be this powerful it is very bad for PvP.

As of now these gear sets are so strong that it's pretty much either zerg or conform or just stop crying and die or just stop playing this game altogether. The Procalypse is here guys, resistance is very very futile. Conform and join the darkside.

Are these the same videos of you zerging around that you posted in another thread? If it is, it is quite possibly the worst gameplay I have seen. The only thing you prove is you are a powerful Xv1'r and a terrible NB.

akray21

What if they implemented something like for each proc set you wear, all regen is decreased x% or x amount... OR skill costs are increased x% or x amount?

This would essentially make the procs cost something to the user.

Sharee

akray21 wrote: »

What if they implemented something like for each proc set you wear, all regen is decreased x% or x amount... OR skill costs are increased x% or x amount?

This would essentially make the procs cost something to the user.

Or just make a set whose 5-piece bonus is to be immune to all other set procs. Done