THE PROCALYPSE

eso_lags

proc sets suck. Players that ride the meta suck. Theres a difference between running something because its strong and running something because its the strongest thing out there.. Heavy armor was/is strong, but some builds were just broken. Right now sorcs and nightblade cancer builds are OP AF in battlegrounds.. Ill play my sorc if i feel like it but im not going to change my nightblade build to viper selines and whatever. If i cant win using my own builds that i like playing, and enjoy playing because i made them, then im not gonna do it, but if you care about it enough you can win without cancer. Its easy mode and its trash.

Viper and tremor isnt trash imo, whats trash is purposely getting on the strongest thing because its the strongest thing to take the easy way out.. But i dont think jules is trash and i completely understand her side of it, and agree with her on a lot of things that she said. I just dont like getting killed by bad players taking the easy way out.. If your a good player, its not hard to tell, and while that makes it even worse fighting you, and you still have a stupid cancerous advantage, at least im not getting killed by someone who shouldn't be able to kill me. And im not gonna say its not aggravating to get killed by viper and selines 6-7/10 times in BGs, because it is. Its even worse on xbox where everything is bugged and there is unplayable lag in pvp.

Vermintide

FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »

Sure if you can convince ZOS to refund me my Hundreds of USDs I've spent on my wardrobe

Nah, you can still use them in PvE. I think it's your problem if you're spending hundreds of bucks on virtual dress up...

FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »

because of the fact the mix match unmorphable gear set looks fugly as all hell

Which is exactly my point. That's exactly why it would work. It's a deterrent to using them, without actually changing any functional stats of the gear.

But I have to admit nice attempt at derailing this subject. However you could've used more effort.

Well, apologies for trying to think outside the box for a minute.

I guess we'll just go back to the endless circle of "Nerf it!" "No, l2p, noob!" "but it's OP!" "You're just salty!" "You're a scrub!" "You're a loser!"

Kupoking

I think think players that use them suck. I'll tell you, I've been running non proc the whole last two major update and 2 weeks in this current patch. After 2 weeks of getting wrecked by, not the average joes, but people like Chief, Miat, Essa, using those and not being able to compete versus those guys, I had to switch.

On my 1st game on my viper's sting DK I've got my Merciless title...

Arthg

I play by an ancient Orsimer code of Honour that states: "Proc sets, poisons and Troll King are for cowardly wimps."

Man do I understand why it's ancient.

akray21

All these White Knights, LMAO

FearlessOne_2014

Kupoking wrote: »

I think think players that use them suck. I'll tell you, I've been running non proc the whole last two major update and 2 weeks in this current patch. After 2 weeks of getting wrecked by, not the average joes, but people like Chief, Miat, Essa, using those and not being able to compete versus those guys, I had to switch.

On my 1st game on my viper's sting DK I've got my Merciless title...

Yup procs are soo overpowered atm. That you are putting your self at a considerable disadvantage by not using them. Looking at this weeks Golden vendor. It'll be safe to say the Proc or get Proc'ed META has the whole of ZOSes blessings. This is ZOSes vision on what ESO's PvP should be.

So you either conform to ZOSes vision or you die. And complain that the other player who killed you is a skill less scrub. As they makes off with the win. GG

Kupoking

Agreed. A

nd in all honnesty, I've been dreading mag sorcs this patch since they got no significant nerf. I've had a hard time beating them without procs on all 4 classes with stam builds.

Now with proc sets? Well... let's just say they dont need a nerf anymore

nCats

out51d3r wrote: »

nCats wrote: »

I still think the utmost issue is cheeseballcalypse. An organised group all wearing the worst possible combos (and that is not necessarily procsets) is where things really go to the next level of wrong. And it is the community who is doing these cheeseballs, don't forget, and they like it.

I assure you, there are many people who are doing it, but don't like it. I wouldn't touch a proc set with a 10 foot pole if they weren't substantially better than all the alternatives. Unfortunately, they are.

TBH, I find alot of the stuff that's at the top tier at the moment to be pretty dumb. I'll still use it though, because it's top tier.

I meant the full stack cheezeball group of four in battlegrounds. Hearing there that they are ``doing it but don't like it'' especially when they spam the queue and every game ends the same way... Sorry, but just like zerg teabaggers or sorc bg killstealers it only illustrates my previous point.

Going against this alone may be enjoyable, even if proc'd to the top, that I am not denying as well.

leepalmer95

I joined the dark side.

Viper/Selene/Eternal hunt nb with oblivion enchant.

It's actually disgusting, medium weave into incap and i get free viper + oblivion enchant dmg and maybe a selene.

Emmagoldman

Kupoking wrote: »

Agreed. A

nd in all honnesty, I've been dreading mag sorcs this patch since they got no significant nerf. I've had a hard time beating them without procs on all 4 classes with stam builds.

Now with proc sets? Well... let's just say they dont need a nerf anymore

Really shows that with the only nerf (dmg to frag) that the imbalance was really just pirate helm.

Pretty amazing how many people dont understad the classes at all. So now we're back to the same meta that we had for a thieves guild, dark brotherhood, and hist, procs and procs!

br0steen

I'm all for keeping proc sets in, it's nice to be able to easily identify those who are good players and those who feel like the only way to be competitive is to use proc sets.

Lughlongarm

Easy solution to all proc sets

Proc sets are interestingly designed, user friendly for new players and shouldn't be removed. They do less damage compared to a flat damage set over moderate period of time(that's why you'll never see viper in PVE high level play). The power of proc sets is the burst potential, enabling the player to make easy K.O combos, and may cause RNG undeserved kills.

The solution is very simple- make all proc effects damage, as DoT damage. 100% proc chance with CD sets, like "viper" can have the DOT over longer period of time(5-6 sec), low % proc sets like "selene", will have the Dot over shorter period of time(3 sec).

Proc sets will still be effective especially for beginners , giving them the option to put strong Dot damage along side their own burst coming from skill. For the defending player it will give a chance to react/ get healed etc.. This alone strengthen the action-reaction base combat concept of the game. This change will also negate RNG combos like "selene" doublle proc, etc... Because it will only refresh the Dot.

Rickter

My faith that ZOS will address these procalypse sets is gone.

This past weekend, both Viper AND Tremorscale were offered in the golden vendor.

like, forget it. Jules please request to have this thread closed. its a wrap.

Strider_Roshin

In a CP campaign proc sets aren't as impacting. In a non-CP campaign however they hit too hard.

And since ZOS has essentially eliminated CP PvP procs sets get to thrive in their strongest environment.

Then there's the issue with the fact that resource management​ has gotten hit very hard this update; encouraging this free damage even further.

Proc sets, cost increase poisons, and the destro ult are three additions that have permanently tarnished the PvP in this game. Neither of these three things should have ever been added.

mook-eb16_ESO

Just make procs cost

Waffennacht

I don't want them gone, I don't want them unplayable, I don't want everyone to re roll magicka again.

I think if they acted more like skoria - telegraphed and "timed" it would allow for counter play.

Or... Well I dunno. I don't want them gone but I also want some sort of reactionary gameplay, it's so counter​ intuitive

Agrippa_Invisus

I think the simplest solution would be to put all procs on the same universal timer. This will fix the issue of stacking multiple proc sets. If there's a universal ICD, then only one proc every so many seconds can fire off.

FearlessOne_2014

Can't be asked anymore really. More so that the golden viper rings and tremoscale helm was just in the vendor. Buttom line ZOS had more then demostrated. That it's their game and they don't have to listen to anyone about the matters. So there is that. Only thing to do is to re-evaulautate if I'll have fun with the new ZOSes vison of free damge or go home META.

Seems like a perfect time for a another hiatus. 6 month Sub-up for recycle towards the middle of the month too. Tho I do feel a bit burnt by the Morrowind DLC, I mean new chapter in ESO market pitch. BGs which was one of the main pilliars of Morrowind are still completely broken. And ontop of that ZOS wants to go with a hands off style of Proc PvP.

Since I did really play the original Morrowind. That nostalgia does not even take hold of me in the slightest. All and all $40 for a New Man's Sky version of a expansion. BGs a complete and utter failure in my person books, with PvP as a whole(One CP campaign, and the rest just straight up RNG proc fest PvP, ZOS really? Warden as under-performing class out of the gates.(More so talking about Magicka wardens.)

No this is no a I'm quiting ESO post. More along the lines. Me and the devs have opposite opinion of what is fun and engaging game play. Therefor I cast my statement in the loudest way I know how. By stopping my personal support of ESO. Till things change at least.

This is the one reason I never like to have all my eggs in one basket(one game). To always have that option to switch. At the drop of a complete crap patch, when one is not fun anymore.

I may not be missed by the ESO community. However that's ok I'll be spending my money having actual fun elsewhere. More then likely away from the MMORPG genre completely. As it no longer supports what I'm looking for far as fun.

NotPhobia

proc sets were made for eso players with autism , stop hating on proc sets.

Witar

Yep pretty much horrible. 2\3 of damage seems to be either oblivion from shieldbreaker\enchant or selene\viper\shadow of red mountain in some fights. Dks also manage to be super defencible on par with being able to proc you to death.

arkansas_ESO

Why hasn't this been addressed in an incremental patch yet? We all paid $40 to play in battlegrounds, and I'd like to be able to play in them without getting shredded by procs before the Q3 patch in September.

Paraflex

Lughlongarm wrote: »

Easy solution to all proc sets

Proc sets are interestingly designed, user friendly for new players and shouldn't be removed. They do less damage compared to a flat damage set over moderate period of time(that's why you'll never see viper in PVE high level play). The power of proc sets is the burst potential, enabling the player to make easy K.O combos, and may cause RNG undeserved kills.

The solution is very simple- make all proc effects damage, as DoT damage. 100% proc chance with CD sets, like "viper" can have the DOT over longer period of time(5-6 sec), low % proc sets like "selene", will have the Dot over shorter period of time(3 sec).

Proc sets will still be effective especially for beginners , giving them the option to put strong Dot damage along side their own burst coming from skill. For the defending player it will give a chance to react/ get healed etc.. This alone strengthen the action-reaction base combat concept of the game. This change will also negate RNG combos like "selene" doublle proc, etc... Because it will only refresh the Dot.

At this point this would be a fair solution but that's going to take ZOS 6 more months to realize this.

arkansas_ESO

An average day in BGs

LeifErickson

arkansas_ESO wrote: »

An average day in BGs

Sounds like you got packed up.

rimmidimdim

Idk, maybe I'm bad, but I just tried viper and Selene over spriggans and troll king, I like the latter way better.

leepalmer95

Not all procs are OP though and a universal nerf will bury the unused sets, i don't want more unused sets either.

Hoping zos adjust individual proc sets viper/ selene/ skoria/ red mountain etc... rather than flat out nerf them all again.

Ragnaroek93

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Not all procs are OP though and a universal nerf will bury the unused sets, i don't want more unused sets either.

Hoping zos adjust individual proc sets viper/ selene/ skoria/ red mountain etc... rather than flat out nerf them all again.

Don't forget to put axebleeds on the nerf list as well...

Prospero_ESO

Saddest thing is that this issue is not new at all. Some ot the proc sets are too strong since they were introduced but in the cp cyrodiil campaigns the cp system softened everything. In no cp campaigns these set were cancer from the beginning but it wasn´t that obvious due to the uncontrolled environment there. Now in a very controlled environment like the bg´s people actually realize how stupid some of the sets are.

Now could ZOS know all this ? Of course,the issues existed long long before Morrowind. But to actually know whats going on you have to actually play the game in the different game modes and do your work on the data. Now everytime Ms. Bruno comes here and say something like"yes we do play our own game" i have to laugh. "Play our own game" my ass, no *** clue you have.

Isbilen

Imagine if Bungie let you spawn with an unlimited ammo Rocket Launcher and Active Camouflage in Halo... That is what ZOS is letting Nightblades do in ESO.

GreenSoup2HoT

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Not all procs are OP though and a universal nerf will bury the unused sets, i don't want more unused sets either.

Hoping zos adjust individual proc sets viper/ selene/ skoria/ red mountain etc... rather than flat out nerf them all again.

Don't forget to put axebleeds on the nerf list as well...

Whats op about axe bleeds?