Battlegrounds Bugs and Lack of Features - Still no response from ZOS [Updated 6/11]

Uncle_Sweetshare

Feanor wrote: »

Uncle_Sweetshare wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_MattFiror @ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_BrianWheeler @Wrobel

This thread is now 8 days old and has received over 5k views, and still we have no response from anyone. It would be appreciated if you gave us a statement one way or another. I've only been linking you to this thread every day on Facebook, Twitter, your Support Page, and tagging everyone relevant on the forums for over a week now.

Or do you just intend for Battlegrounds to go the way of Vet trials and Wrothgar for consoles, and are just going to ignore us in hopes that we give up and go away while you spoonfeed bullsh*t to the masses every day via social media pretending that your game is without issue?

Of course, I could just rename the thread to "Rock moved in Earthtear Cavern" or "I don't like your website", because apparently those 'issues' are higher on your priority list than a functioning, full-featured Battlegrounds, which was wrongfully advertised for the past 6 months.

You get an A for effort at least.

technohic

Uncle_Sweetshare wrote: »

EDIT: Moved role based queues from Low to High priority.

Yep. Best thing to do if your not separating Qs. Its also not fun if there is an uneven number of healers on one side and not another even for PUGs in most MMOs.

Saturn

Uncle_Sweetshare wrote: »

Saturn wrote: »

Not learning from other MMOs' failures and successes seems to be a core philosophy for ZOS, to be honest. I get that they want to do everything their way and learn as they go, but it's pretty bad for the players that have to suffer through it.

The worst part of this is that they eventually come around, but it's always too little, too late.

As for the 2 teams versus 3, I agree wholeheartedly, and will be adding that along with your concept of CTF to the OP. I think a centralized flag with 3 bases would definitely work, because as of right now CTF consists of NB grabbing the flag then hiding around their base waiting for their flag to be returned (at least from what I've seen). 1 flag would mean everyone is constantly fighting over ownership, and therefore PvPing instead hiding in the corner with the enemy flag.

There was another thing I forgot to mention, which is the 100% damage bonus in deathmatch. It's supposed to act as an equaliser for teams that are behind, but always ends up in the hands of the leading team, making their victory unchallengeable. It could be an interesting idea to make it so the damage buff can only be picked up by teams that aren't currently leading. Though the biggest thing with the damage buff that I've noticed is that like 80% of players have no clue it exists.

Uncle_Sweetshare

technohic wrote: »

Uncle_Sweetshare wrote: »

EDIT: Moved role based queues from Low to High priority.

Yep. Best thing to do if your not separating Qs. Its also not fun if there is an uneven number of healers on one side and not another even for PUGs in most MMOs.

The more I think about this suggestion, the more I think about potential 2+ hour queues for DPS players, and everyone queuing up as tanks/ healers anyways...

What's everyone else's thoughts on this?

technohic

Uncle_Sweetshare wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

Uncle_Sweetshare wrote: »

EDIT: Moved role based queues from Low to High priority.

Yep. Best thing to do if your not separating Qs. Its also not fun if there is an uneven number of healers on one side and not another even for PUGs in most MMOs.

The more I think about this suggestion, the more I think about potential 2+ hour queues for DPS players, and everyone queuing up as tanks/ healers anyways...

What's everyone else's thoughts on this?

Should be fine if you don't require there to be a tank and healer. Can still be all DPS. And doesn't have to be a hard rule but just make sure if there are 2 healers, they are on separate teams.

The difficulty would just be if some premade wanted to run 2+ healers for some reason. And how do we define what a healer is in the system?

Truckdriver

Just got expac. Tried BG for first time and i died and released, got long load screen then was ported out of BG and got now am a BG deserter for next 20 minutes. Wtf fix this ***

Uncle_Sweetshare

Truckdriver wrote: »

Just got expac. Tried BG for first time and i died and released, got long load screen then was ported out of BG and got now am a BG deserter for next 20 minutes. Wtf fix this ***

I completely forgot about this issue, I'll add it to the OP when I get to my computer!

technohic wrote: »

Uncle_Sweetshare wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

Uncle_Sweetshare wrote: »

EDIT: Moved role based queues from Low to High priority.

Yep. Best thing to do if your not separating Qs. Its also not fun if there is an uneven number of healers on one side and not another even for PUGs in most MMOs.

The more I think about this suggestion, the more I think about potential 2+ hour queues for DPS players, and everyone queuing up as tanks/ healers anyways...

What's everyone else's thoughts on this?

Should be fine if you don't require there to be a tank and healer. Can still be all DPS. And doesn't have to be a hard rule but just make sure if there are 2 healers, they are on separate teams.

The difficulty would just be if some premade wanted to run 2+ healers for some reason. And how do we define what a healer is in the system?

That's true. Instead of trying to go 1 tank, 1 healer, 2 DPS per group, it could just ensure that teams weren't being stacked with 4 healers or 4 tanks (for non-premade groups).

Uncle_Sweetshare

Saturn wrote: »

Uncle_Sweetshare wrote: »

Saturn wrote: »

Not learning from other MMOs' failures and successes seems to be a core philosophy for ZOS, to be honest. I get that they want to do everything their way and learn as they go, but it's pretty bad for the players that have to suffer through it.

The worst part of this is that they eventually come around, but it's always too little, too late.

As for the 2 teams versus 3, I agree wholeheartedly, and will be adding that along with your concept of CTF to the OP. I think a centralized flag with 3 bases would definitely work, because as of right now CTF consists of NB grabbing the flag then hiding around their base waiting for their flag to be returned (at least from what I've seen). 1 flag would mean everyone is constantly fighting over ownership, and therefore PvPing instead hiding in the corner with the enemy flag.

There was another thing I forgot to mention, which is the 100% damage bonus in deathmatch. It's supposed to act as an equaliser for teams that are behind, but always ends up in the hands of the leading team, making their victory unchallengeable. It could be an interesting idea to make it so the damage buff can only be picked up by teams that aren't currently leading. Though the biggest thing with the damage buff that I've noticed is that like 80% of players have no clue it exists.

Yessir, that is currently #12 #13 on the list!

Goshua

essi2 wrote: »

I hope the BGs remain a complete ***, the chaos! I feed on it

The technical side of the BGs needs fixing though.


All of these are good suggestions, but I don't think there are enough players to make it work.

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Think you can blame them for that thanks to having BG's tied to MW ( and not even an ESO+ perk).

Uncle_Sweetshare

Goshua wrote: »

essi2 wrote: »

I hope the BGs remain a complete ***, the chaos! I feed on it

The technical side of the BGs needs fixing though.


All of these are good suggestions, but I don't think there are enough players to make it work.

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Think you can blame them for that thanks to having BG's tied to MW ( and not even an ESO+ perk).

Yeah, putting a game mode behind a paywall is pretty BS imo, The Division did that for a year (and turned a blind eye to dedicated players that made threads such as these) and look at them now. The game is dead due to poor developer decisions. The only thing ZOS has going for them is TES IP, which is keeping their lackluster dev team afloat. Had this been a new IP, the game would have died 2 years ago.

So I agree, Battlegrounds should have been included in ESO+, which may have been their original intention, but they wanted to hit every market with ESO: Morrowind (both PvP and PvE players), and unfortunately they screwed both. Battlegrounds is an absolute disaster, and while I thought the Vvardenfell questline was decent, the vast emptiness (seriously, where are all the resource nodes?), the majority of the structures lacking interiors, and lack of Sheogorad just goes to show how rushed this expansion was to meet the June 6th deadline, just so they could hype the expansion because it was the 15th anniversary of TESIII: Morrowind.

Morgul667

Please fix BattleGrounds. Tired of technical issues. This is taking the fun out of BG

Uncle_Sweetshare

Morgul667 wrote: »

Please fix BattleGrounds. Tired of technical issues. This is taking the fun out of BG

One of these days we'll get a response... One of these days...

Uncle_Sweetshare

EDIT 6/9: Added another section, fixed syntax errors in Flag Carriers section.

TheDoomsdayMonster

I agree with all of the points made in the OP, but would like to add one more thing...

REMOVE RESOURCE POISONS FROM BATTLEGROUNDS!!!

These things are OP as all hell; expecially without CP and the fact that there is really no legit counter to them as you cant cleanse the Poison nor can you prevent yourself from being Poisoned...

Get them out of Battlegrounds Devs; they dont belong there...

Uncle_Sweetshare

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

I agree with all of the points made in the OP, but would like to add one more thing...

REMOVE RESOURCE POISONS FROM BATTLEGROUNDS!!!

These things are OP as all hell; expecially without CP and the fact that there is really no legit counter to them as you cant cleanse the Poison nor can you prevent yourself from being Poisoned...

Get them out of Battlegrounds Devs; they dont belong there...

This I can agree with, although I have to admit it would be rather difficult to just remove them. As you and others have mentioned, the simplest solution would be to change the Alchemy 'Snakeblood' passive (which is pretty much useless) into a poison resistance passive, but at that point everyone would be running it, effectively nerfing poisons across the board. The next option would be to only disable it in Battlegrounds, but you would have to have it scan each poison and look for the resource drain effect (as resource drain poisons can be made with different names), which would involve a fair amount of coding.

I think the simplest solution would be to modify the Battlegrounds Battle Spirit buff to grant immunity to resource drain effects. Thoughts?

Shianna

so what i want to see is that winning as a team actually rewards you with something..
getting the purp loot is fine, but how about taking the winning score of 500 (most of the time) and x3 (or 2) it and add it to the leaderboard scores.
So for a win you would actually get 1500 points onto the leaderboard; second team mayb 1000 and third idk they lost

EDIT: this would also help with the low scores you currently get if you just defend your relic or flaggs, you do stuff to support your team and to win but only the relic runner/flagg capturer gets the big points which sucks ..

Uncle_Sweetshare

Shianna wrote: »

so what i want to see is that winning as a team actually rewards you with something..
getting the purp loot is fine, but how about taking the winning score of 500 (most of the time) and x3 (or 2) it and add it to the leaderboard scores.
So for a win you would actually get 1500 points onto the leaderboard; second team mayb 1000 and third idk they lost

EDIT: this would also help with the low scores you currently get if you just defend your relic or flaggs, you do stuff to support your team and to win but only the relic runner/flagg capturer gets the big points which sucks ..

I proposed an alternative system for leaderboards which used MMR (match making rating) instead of accumulative game points for the leaderboards, as accumulative game points only shows who plays the most, not who plays the best.

EDIT: Added section for Resource Drain Poisons.

mihaiisraging

I was thinking. What about a casual and competitive bg system? Maybe this is the reason zos didn't add leaderboards? So the casual players will buy the expansion too. Anyway, I do not think casual and comp modes would be bad.

SchizoidMetal

We have hit the point where the real idea that sets need to have specific places they can be used. I.E. can only be used in a pve zone/pvp zones. I feel pvp and pve should never be mixed because it becomes way to hard to balance the two between the two. I gripe moan and groan simply because I do like the game and want it to see it succeed, but what im seeing is facepalming me.

Uncle_Sweetshare

mihaiisraging wrote: »

I was thinking. What about a casual and competitive bg system? Maybe this is the reason zos didn't add leaderboards? So the casual players will buy the expansion too. Anyway, I do not think casual and comp modes would be bad.

That's been number 3 from the start

But yes, I think we desperately need a casual and competitive queue, that is, after we can actually get in and play without all the other bugs.

SchizoidMetal wrote: »

We have hit the point where the real idea that sets need to have specific places they can be used. I.E. can only be used in a pve zone/pvp zones. I feel pvp and pve should never be mixed because it becomes way to hard to balance the two between the two. I gripe moan and groan simply because I do like the game and want it to see it succeed, but what im seeing is facepalming me.

There was a screenshot yesterday of a guy that got 1 shot by Incap Strike; it procced Oblivion Glyph, Viper, and Selene's. 25k damage with 1 key press. "Working as intended."

NordJitsu

Agree with everything except the suggestion that CP BGs would be for competitive players. Champion points just make the game less balanced and less skill based. People who've played longer have an advantage without being better.

Uncle_Sweetshare

NordJitsu wrote: »

Agree with everything except the suggestion that CP BGs would be for competitive players. Champion points just make the game less balanced and less skill based. People who've played longer have an advantage without being better.

Yeah, I think that has probably been the most debated section, and it was put there per request (under low priority). I've only been playing for two months and haven't hit CP630 yet, but I can understand CP630+ players wanting to use their CP against one another.

Uncle_Sweetshare

EDIT 6/10: Added two more sections, 'Chat Wheel' and 'Kick from Spawn.'

Uncle_Sweetshare

EDIT 6/11: Added section on server latency, still awaiting response from ZOS 11 days in. Send food and water.

Arigor

You list all these things (which I tend to agree with), but I really really wish they could get number 1 taken care of. Honestly its almost unbelievable to me that a company can release this broken of a product. I just sat in a que for 20 min (again) with repeated loops of declining group members. Please Zos fix the group finder its been broken for soooooo long for pve and now in pvp. Three of us just said screw it tonight and went to bed. I would really like to play the game I payed for. I work hard for the money I earn and it makes me a little disgusted to think that the main reason I bought this expansion is the one thing that has frustrated me immensely.

Uncle_Sweetshare

Arigor wrote: »

You list all these things (which I tend to agree with), but I really really wish they could get number 1 taken care of. Honestly its almost unbelievable to me that a company can release this broken of a product. I just sat in a que for 20 min (again) with repeated loops of declining group members. Please Zos fix the group finder its been broken for soooooo long for pve and now in pvp. Three of us just said screw it tonight and went to bed. I would really like to play the game I payed for. I work hard for the money I earn and it makes me a little disgusted to think that the main reason I bought this expansion is the one thing that has frustrated me immensely.

Yeah, I've barely touched ESO since I started this thread, I've been too discouraged to. I'm in love with TES lore, and I have been since the original Morrowind came out 15 years ago, but the main reason I purchased Morrowind was to play Battlegrounds. I was honestly surprised when I saw what the 'finished' product for Battlegrounds was, as it felt as if no effort was put into it whatsoever. I know I sound like a broken record, but it just blows my mind that they wouldn't look at other successful MMOs were doing with their own PvP arenas. And of course, a broken queue on TOP of all that? C'mon ZOS. You're better than that.

VincentBlanquin

it looks like, they have no idea how made fixes or made overall experience better, so there will be almost no changes for next weeks. and if there wont be changes in next weeks, game mode will be be dead very soon. i expect battleground be playable atleast for 2-3 months, but number of issues made it really dead on arrival and never really playable. Not even drop morrowind exclusity for crown store or esoplus can make it any better. only that can help a little is made it free to access completely. sooner the better, but it obviously dont happen either

TheeDopestDope

Im certain we will see changes in the weeks to come. Lets just remember that this is ZOS. Simply adding a BG gamemode selection could potentially break Homestead and further destroy LFG tool.

Okay, okay, I will say Morrowind launch has been smooth as far as I have seen.

So I guess lets hope for the best and prepare for the worst once BG updates come.

Uncle_Sweetshare

VincentBlanquin wrote: »

it looks like, they have no idea how made fixes or made overall experience better, so there will be almost no changes for next weeks. and if there wont be changes in next weeks, game mode will be be dead very soon. i expect battleground be playable atleast for 2-3 months, but number of issues made it really dead on arrival and never really playable. Not even drop morrowind exclusity for crown store or esoplus can make it any better. only that can help a little is made it free to access completely. sooner the better, but it obviously dont happen either

Yeah, I've cancelled my sub and moved ESO off my SSD. I'll still keep this thread updated if people submit more suggestions, but I don't have a lot of faith that this will be fixed within the next 6 months.

VincentBlanquin

TheeDopestDope wrote: »

Im certain we will see changes in the weeks to come. Lets just remember that this is ZOS. Simply adding a BG gamemode selection could potentially break Homestead and further destroy LFG tool.

Okay, okay, I will say Morrowind launch has been smooth as far as I have seen.

So I guess lets hope for the best and prepare for the worst once BG updates come.

they say every fix they will make will go immediatelly to live, but it dont mean they are working on something, either they know what they want to do regarding the battlegrounds

they are more likely waiting till majority of players finish their Morrowind quests (max month) and then chapter will be considered forgotten history, which may have fixes but maybe not