Battlegrounds Bugs and Lack of Features - Still no response from ZOS [Updated 6/11]

mihaiisraging

UPDATE: at this hour (16 gmt+2) tehe queue works perfect. I was in a group of 3 and when we joinned the matches, most times it was 4v4v4 or 4v4v3 or 3v3v3. Really had some fun. Also the queue was even less than a minute. Zos should really look on what is going on on the server side in prime time.

Sheey

Just to indroduce you.

Warden has been copied from templars.
BG Teams has been renamed from AD/EP/DC.
Capture the Flag comes from Cyrodiil Scroll system.
And CP will be removed by the end of this year.

Uncle_Sweetshare

mihaiisraging wrote: »

Uncle_Sweetshare wrote: »

I don't think the portion of the community that prefers small scale PvP is nearly as small as you're making it to be, laced. In every MMO I've played with competitive PvP arenas, the most competitive players flocked to small scale, including but not limited to WoW, GW1, GW2, TERA, and ArcheAge. I'm not sure where you're getting your information, but it is extremely biased.

Totally agree. The arenas in gw1 were the best

I don't want to derail the thread too much, but GW1 arenas were absolutely amazing. The build diversity in that game was one for the ages. Over 400 abilities per class and we were allowed to pick 2 classes per character with 8 ability slots, giving us a near infinite amount of build possibilities, gearing up was relatively simple and cheap, and if you wanted to create a PvP character, you'd start at max level but would only be able to PvP on it. Those were the days.

mihaiisraging wrote: »

UPDATE: at this hour (16 gmt+2) tehe queue works perfect. I was in a group of 3 and when we joinned the matches, most times it was 4v4v4 or 4v4v3 or 3v3v3. Really had some fun. Also the queue was even less than a minute. Zos should really look on what is going on on the server side in prime time.

You weren't caught in the "you or someone in your group has declined the invite" loop?

Uncle_Sweetshare

Sheey wrote: »

And CP will be removed by the end of this year.

:thinking:

Personally, I like the CP system as a concept of 'infinite' scaling, and tbh I think it should allow players to allocate CP as high as they have they can get their CP, however have it scale down to 0.01% per point based on overall points applied, in addition to point per CP 'star.' Ie. The difference between a CP1200 and CP1500 player might only be 1%, but that is a topic for another day and another thread.

This one is for Battlegrounds.

mihaiisraging

@Uncle_Sweetshare yea. GW1 is still running but the game is just too old...the graphics are too bad for 2017. Also this is the reason I do not play WoW tbh.
Anyway, ZoS could learn alot from the gw1 arenas.

And about the queue loop, no, not at all. I did like 5-6 matches in a row with different players with a queue of 10seconds to 3min. I had 2 in a row of like 10-20sec. With the roughly same team,yesterday night it was imposibille to get in a match in hours.

Uncle_Sweetshare

mihaiisraging wrote: »

@Uncle_Sweetshare yea. GW1 is still runming but the game is just too old...the graphics are too bad for 2017. This is the reason I do not play WoW tbh.
Anyway, ZoS could learn alot from gw1 arenas.

And about queue loop, no, not at all. I did like 5-6 matches in a row with different players with a queue of 10seconds to 3min. I had 2 in a row of like 10-20sec. With the roughly the same team,yesterday night it was imposibille to get in a match in hours.

I can't remember where I saw it but I remember reading a thread somewhere about a theory that the group finders were running off the login servers and hence why during prime time they weren't working as intended, but I don't know if there's any merit to that.

mihaiisraging

@Sheey did they say what will happen to the stats we are receiving from CP if they remove them?

Sheey

CP never worked and never will be on any line at any time. Zenimax knows exactly that CP is imbalanced thats why we have less and less CP campaignes no BGs.

Uncle_Sweetshare

Sheey wrote: »

CP never worked and never will be on any line at any time. Zenimax knows exactly that CP is imbalanced thats why we have less and less CP campaignes no BGs.

So it's just your speculation that they're going to remove CP, lol.

And the cause for non-CP PvP is to cater to newer players so they aren't getting 1 tapped by CP630+ players, the same reason they made attribute bonuses per CP cap out at 300, and front loaded some of the CP 'stars'.

I highly doubt they're going to remove CP anytime soon.

Waffennacht

If it just wouldn't start unless all teams had the same number of players....

Uncle_Sweetshare

Waffennacht wrote: »

If it just wouldn't start unless all teams had the same number of players....

Baby steps. I already did my daily Tweets and Support Ticket submissions, so I give it a solid 2 years of that and we'll get this fixed no problem.

Waffennacht

Now it's getting really frustrating.

I have yet to be on a team of four, only once have I not been on out numbered team (2v2v2) and I have only played death match.

It seems that the only groups with four players are premades

Ruckly

I haven't touched battlegrounds I don't own the chapter but an idea:

There should be 2vs2vs2 bgs and each player should be able to bring a bot with a customized load out. e.g. if a player doesn't want to be spiked faster than their ping registers it they can bring along a bot with quick heals and debuffs. It would make the bg somewhat more coordinated since their would always be groups of twos after every objective. When I say a bot I am speaking of something like the bots from wayyyyy back in GW1. And it would make bgs fill quicker. And it would give the player more customization options for their bg load out since they are preping a pair and not their own set of gear to one-shot someone before they can react.

I suppose the problem would be how to make it work on consoles since you might want to waypoint your bot on a minimap I assume is included with the bg.

Waffennacht

I don't think there are enough people signing up for premade vs premade and pug vs pug. I'm starting to think the only solution is to just not allow pre mades

Edit or limit it to duo, if there's not enough players

Uncle_Sweetshare

Waffennacht wrote: »

I don't think there are enough people signing up for premade vs premade and pug vs pug. I'm starting to think the only solution is to just not allow pre mades

Even though I think a lot of players aren't playing Battlegrounds because of how terrible of a state they're currently in, I really can't imagine the population is that low. My guess is that the queue/ team balancer is bugged and not correctly putting people together.

But, if the population really is that low, let's just hope that ZOS doesn't look at that as people not wanting to play them. We want to play them, ZOS, but between the the broken queues, the lack of team balancing, and the lack of every other feature listed in the OP, we're waiting on you to fix them.

So please, do.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_MattFiror

Uncle_Sweetshare

EDIT: Moved role based queues from Low to High priority.

Saturn

Not learning from other MMOs' failures and successes seems to be a core philosophy for ZOS, to be honest. I get that they want to do everything their way and learn as they go, but it's pretty bad for the players that have to suffer through it.

While I agree with you on pretty much every point, I do still think Battlegrounds are better than Cyrodiil by far, in terms of balance and overall enjoyability. You do occasionally get some match-ups that are extremely broken, but for the most part I usually end up with 4v4v4.

Personally I think my biggest annoyance with the battlegrounds have to be the lack of intelligent match-ups, i.e. getting matched against players that are not on your skill level, either way below or way above, which results in either boring or infuriating fights, but again these kind of match-ups seem rare to me, and I usually do about 5-10 every day with my friends. Another big issue I have is with the maps and the way the gamemodes are set up. I think the whole 3 team setup is pretty silly for all gamemodes except domination. When you have 3 flags and 3 teams in CTF, it causes a myriad of problems and honestly the entire CTF mode should be changed to 1 flag and 3 bases if they want to keep it in a 3 team setup. I do think that with the breakdown of alliance barriers they could easily have done 2 team setups, and I really don't understand the almost fanatical adherence they have with the 3 team pvp, I mean it sort of makes sense for Cyrodiil, but not so much in Battlegrounds, where it really just causes more problems than it adds any kind of interesting gameplay. Lastly, I think the maps are just really poorly designed, the only one that is kind of okay is the Ularra map, but the rest are just too small and don't have enough height variations to provide several ways of approach.

Uncle_Sweetshare

Saturn wrote: »

Not learning from other MMOs' failures and successes seems to be a core philosophy for ZOS, to be honest. I get that they want to do everything their way and learn as they go, but it's pretty bad for the players that have to suffer through it.

The worst part of this is that they eventually come around, but it's always too little, too late.

As for the 2 teams versus 3, I agree wholeheartedly, and will be adding that along with your concept of CTF to the OP. I think a centralized flag with 3 bases would definitely work, because as of right now CTF consists of NB grabbing the flag then hiding around their base waiting for their flag to be returned (at least from what I've seen). 1 flag would mean everyone is constantly fighting over ownership, and therefore PvPing instead hiding in the corner with the enemy flag.

TaCoSlurpY

Battlegrounds was all I was waiting for. ESO broke the easiest feature they could of brought to this game. Hands down battlegrounds suck fat f'n ***.

Uncle_Sweetshare

TaCoSlurpY wrote: »

Battlegrounds was all I was waiting for. ESO broke the easiest feature they could of brought to this game. Hands down battlegrounds suck fat f'n ***.

It is quite disappointing. All they had to do was copy and paste from literally any other MMO with a PvP arena, and tweak it to fit TES narrative, but for whatever reason they thought it was a good idea to "break the mold" and push an incomplete product that caters to no one.

Uncle_Sweetshare

EDIT 6/8: Added 5 new sections and reworded a few of the older sections.

If I missed anything that was mentioned previously I do apologize, just remind me and I'll take care of it! Again, thank you all for reading, and hopefully together we can get some of these fixes and features implemented!

Jurand80

RouDeR wrote: »

I played 10 games on ps4 today 9/10 were not 4v4v4 , 4v2v2 was the most common one .

you can refund morrowind at any time

Feanor

You should all play a 2v2v2 Domination game like I did. That's the incarnation of fun. Because you don't have to actually fight players at all. CTF and Domination are just poorly implemented now.

Uncle_Sweetshare

Feanor wrote: »

You should all play a 2v2v2 Domination game like I did. That's the incarnation of fun. Because you don't have to actually fight players at all. CTF and Domination are just poorly implemented now.

I've noticed with both CTF and Domination that a good chunk of the players avoid combat in favor of map objective, and that's not PvP, it's glorified PvE. I was watching a streamer earlier, and he had a team win Domination with barely any combat whatsoever. The streamer fought, but his teammates just ran around capping points and ignoring other players. Same goes for CTF and players hiding in the corner with their flag, hoping their team will return their flag so they can score. That's not exactly fast-paced combat...

Khyras

Have fun waiting for them to fix and add all this.

Uncle_Sweetshare

Khyras wrote: »

Have fun waiting for them to fix and add all this.

Uncle_Sweetshare

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_MattFiror @ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_BrianWheeler @Wrobel

This thread is now 8 days old and has received over 5k views, and still we have no response from anyone. It would be appreciated if you gave us a statement one way or another. I've only been linking you to this thread every day on Facebook, Twitter, your Support Page, and tagging everyone relevant on the forums for over a week now.

Or do you just intend for Battlegrounds to go the way of Vet trials and Wrothgar for consoles, and are just going to ignore us in hopes that we give up and go away while you spoonfeed bullsh*t to the masses every day via social media pretending that your game is without issue?

Of course, I could just rename the thread to "Rock moved in Earthtear Cavern" or "I don't like your website", because apparently those 'issues' are higher on your priority list than a functioning, full-featured Battlegrounds, which was wrongfully advertised for the past 6 months.

IcyDeadPeople

LMar wrote: »

AP rewards are low on purpose. Initially they weren't going to give AP I believe. AP is meant to be earned mostly in Cyrodiil and Battlegrounds is just extra top up.

Well you need to earn something, whether it is gold or AP in order to sustain the character you are playing. This is a massive problem, perhaps one of the most urgent issues that needs to be addressed. If we don't get enough people queuing for BG at all different skill levels, it becomes much harder for the system to assign fair teams.

Currently you can spend all day playing in PVE and earn tons of gold, tons of XP and many useful bind on pickup items, monster helms, etc. You can play all day in Cyrodiil and earn a little gold, a little XP and tons of alliance points which you can use to buy a couple monster helms or other items. Or you can play all day in Battlegrounds and earn zero gold, almost zero XP and about 1/3 the amount of AP compared to Cyrodiil. Right now some of the reward items are valuable, but there are only five total sets. Very soon these will become completely worthless on guild traders.

Would be great if AP were increased to roughly the same level as Cyrodiil, XP rewards added so at least we can level new characters this way, and we got a second Golden Vendor added each weekend who sells a different menu of monster helms and jewelry, maybe some BOP sets etc, for Alliance Points

Feanor

Uncle_Sweetshare wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_MattFiror @ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_BrianWheeler @Wrobel

This thread is now 8 days old and has received over 5k views, and still we have no response from anyone. It would be appreciated if you gave us a statement one way or another. I've only been linking you to this thread every day on Facebook, Twitter, your Support Page, and tagging everyone relevant on the forums for over a week now.

Or do you just intend for Battlegrounds to go the way of Vet trials and Wrothgar for consoles, and are just going to ignore us in hopes that we give up and go away while you spoonfeed bullsh*t to the masses every day via social media pretending that your game is without issue?

Of course, I could just rename the thread to "Rock moved in Earthtear Cavern" or "I don't like your website", because apparently those 'issues' are higher on your priority list than a functioning, full-featured Battlegrounds, which was wrongfully advertised for the past 6 months.

You get an A for effort at least.

Uncle_Sweetshare

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

LMar wrote: »

AP rewards are low on purpose. Initially they weren't going to give AP I believe. AP is meant to be earned mostly in Cyrodiil and Battlegrounds is just extra top up.

Well you need to earn something, whether it is gold or AP in order to sustain the character you are playing.

Currently you can spend all day playing in PVE and earn tons of gold, tons of XP and many useful bind on pickup items, monster helms, etc. You can play all day in Cyrodiil and earn a little gold, a little XP and tons of alliance points which you can use to buy a couple monster helms or other items. Or you can play all day in Battlegrounds and earn zero gold, almost zero XP and about 1/3 the amount of AP compared to Cyrodiil. Right now some of the reward items are valuable, but there are only five total sets. Very soon these will become completely worthless on guild traders.

Would be great if AP were increased to roughly the same level as Cyrodiil, XP rewards added so at least we can level new characters this way, and we got a second Golden Vendor added each weekend who sells a different menu of monster helms and jewelry, maybe some BOP sets etc, for Alliance Points

My point exactly. The time invested versus AP/ XP/ Gold/ and Gear earned is vastly underwhelming in Battlegrounds. Essentially Battlegrounds is just there for looks as of now.