Best Monster Helm for Tank

WalksonGraves

Pirate Skeleton

paulsimonps wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Dks only like bs because they have garbage ult generation, Pirate Skeleton is by far the best helm. Whoever said the proc lowers your block needs to lay off the skooma.

@WalksonGraves

Pirate skeleton is not worn by any tank that's cleared vMoL on HM. Not even close to the best monster set for tanks.

I don't care what they use, nbs arent starved for ult so they don't need bs. Ever other monster set is useless, pirate skeleton is like a free ult.

The dk vmol meta is a shameful *** of the tank class made to cheese through. The old meta is a buff maid in stam dps gear and the new morrowind builds are just laughable hp stacking.

I'll stick with 45k hp and 92% dr over 70k hp and 78% dr. My build is getting even better since more boss attacks are getting classed properly as aoe.

Blocking, Average resistance say 27k, Minor Maim, Sword and Board Passive, Absorb Magic, DK's Iron Skin and average CP. These are things all DK Tanks have and you land at 83.761% That is what most tanks regardless of class will land at. Not sure what tanks you are referring to that only gets 78%

oh noes 5%

That's funny. you say that but adding major protection to that same value gives an increase of less than 5%. It would go from 83.761% to 88.633% So your argument for Pirate skeleton is "oh noes 5%"

Big difference between forgetting a passive that does jack in forum calculations and dr cap.
88% takes 12% damage, 94% takes 6%. That's a huge difference in terms of damage taken.

I use the assassin poly that might be why I never noticed the bug. Pretty simple work around I can't believe you even complained if it's that simple to avoid.

Deadfinger6

Tremorscale. Why you sick if it? Nice animation and shows that your Taunting?

Oompuh

Blood Spawn

Oh god. The pirate skeleton argument all over again

Woeler

Oh boy WalksonTeamMatesGraves is back.

leepalmer95

Blood Spawn

WalksonGraves wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Dks only like bs because they have garbage ult generation, Pirate Skeleton is by far the best helm. Whoever said the proc lowers your block needs to lay off the skooma.

@WalksonGraves

Pirate skeleton is not worn by any tank that's cleared vMoL on HM. Not even close to the best monster set for tanks.

I don't care what they use, nbs arent starved for ult so they don't need bs. Ever other monster set is useless, pirate skeleton is like a free ult.

The dk vmol meta is a shameful *** of the tank class made to cheese through. The old meta is a buff maid in stam dps gear and the new morrowind builds are just laughable hp stacking.

I'll stick with 45k hp and 92% dr over 70k hp and 78% dr. My build is getting even better since more boss attacks are getting classed properly as aoe.

Blocking, Average resistance say 27k, Minor Maim, Sword and Board Passive, Absorb Magic, DK's Iron Skin and average CP. These are things all DK Tanks have and you land at 83.761% That is what most tanks regardless of class will land at. Not sure what tanks you are referring to that only gets 78%

oh noes 5%

That's funny. you say that but adding major protection to that same value gives an increase of less than 5%. It would go from 83.761% to 88.633% So your argument for Pirate skeleton is "oh noes 5%"

Big difference between forgetting a passive that does jack in forum calculations and dr cap.
88% takes 12% damage, 94% takes 6%. That's a huge difference in terms of damage taken.

I use the assassin poly that might be why I never noticed the bug. Pretty simple work around I can't believe you even complained if it's that simple to avoid.

Don't tanks drop horn for increase group dps?

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO

My Favorite is Shadowrend for a TANK..

Bowser

Mighty Chudan

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Dks only like bs because they have garbage ult generation, Pirate Skeleton is by far the best helm. Whoever said the proc lowers your block needs to lay off the skooma.

@WalksonGraves

Pirate skeleton is not worn by any tank that's cleared vMoL on HM. Not even close to the best monster set for tanks.

... and now I want to clear Rakkhat HM with Pirate Skeleton.

WalksonGraves

Pirate Skeleton

leepalmer95 wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Dks only like bs because they have garbage ult generation, Pirate Skeleton is by far the best helm. Whoever said the proc lowers your block needs to lay off the skooma.

@WalksonGraves

Pirate skeleton is not worn by any tank that's cleared vMoL on HM. Not even close to the best monster set for tanks.

I don't care what they use, nbs arent starved for ult so they don't need bs. Ever other monster set is useless, pirate skeleton is like a free ult.

The dk vmol meta is a shameful *** of the tank class made to cheese through. The old meta is a buff maid in stam dps gear and the new morrowind builds are just laughable hp stacking.

I'll stick with 45k hp and 92% dr over 70k hp and 78% dr. My build is getting even better since more boss attacks are getting classed properly as aoe.

Blocking, Average resistance say 27k, Minor Maim, Sword and Board Passive, Absorb Magic, DK's Iron Skin and average CP. These are things all DK Tanks have and you land at 83.761% That is what most tanks regardless of class will land at. Not sure what tanks you are referring to that only gets 78%

oh noes 5%

That's funny. you say that but adding major protection to that same value gives an increase of less than 5%. It would go from 83.761% to 88.633% So your argument for Pirate skeleton is "oh noes 5%"

Big difference between forgetting a passive that does jack in forum calculations and dr cap.
88% takes 12% damage, 94% takes 6%. That's a huge difference in terms of damage taken.

I use the assassin poly that might be why I never noticed the bug. Pretty simple work around I can't believe you even complained if it's that simple to avoid.

Don't tanks drop horn for increase group dps?

Nbs have better ult gen, bs is just overkill.

paulsimonps

WalksonGraves wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Dks only like bs because they have garbage ult generation, Pirate Skeleton is by far the best helm. Whoever said the proc lowers your block needs to lay off the skooma.

@WalksonGraves

Pirate skeleton is not worn by any tank that's cleared vMoL on HM. Not even close to the best monster set for tanks.

I don't care what they use, nbs arent starved for ult so they don't need bs. Ever other monster set is useless, pirate skeleton is like a free ult.

The dk vmol meta is a shameful *** of the tank class made to cheese through. The old meta is a buff maid in stam dps gear and the new morrowind builds are just laughable hp stacking.

I'll stick with 45k hp and 92% dr over 70k hp and 78% dr. My build is getting even better since more boss attacks are getting classed properly as aoe.

Blocking, Average resistance say 27k, Minor Maim, Sword and Board Passive, Absorb Magic, DK's Iron Skin and average CP. These are things all DK Tanks have and you land at 83.761% That is what most tanks regardless of class will land at. Not sure what tanks you are referring to that only gets 78%

oh noes 5%

That's funny. you say that but adding major protection to that same value gives an increase of less than 5%. It would go from 83.761% to 88.633% So your argument for Pirate skeleton is "oh noes 5%"

Big difference between forgetting a passive that does jack in forum calculations and dr cap.
88% takes 12% damage, 94% takes 6%. That's a huge difference in terms of damage taken.

I use the assassin poly that might be why I never noticed the bug. Pretty simple work around I can't believe you even complained if it's that simple to avoid.

Don't tanks drop horn for increase group dps?

Nbs have better ult gen, bs is just overkill.

Actually as long as you do a 1-2-3-4 type rotation on your warhorns and never do any accidental double horns, BS is overkill on DK's too. Only when you start doing more complex rotations will you have need for more ultimate. This is cause your ultimate rotation is dependent on the weakest link, aka the healers. Healers usually have nothing extra into ulti gen. So unless the tanks have insane ultigen just going 1-2-3-4 won't see you getting any significant boons from BS.

idk

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Dks only like bs because they have garbage ult generation, Pirate Skeleton is by far the best helm. Whoever said the proc lowers your block needs to lay off the skooma.

@WalksonGraves

Pirate skeleton is not worn by any tank that's cleared vMoL on HM. Not even close to the best monster set for tanks.

I don't care what they use, nbs arent starved for ult so they don't need bs. Ever other monster set is useless, pirate skeleton is like a free ult.

The dk vmol meta is a shameful *** of the tank class made to cheese through. The old meta is a buff maid in stam dps gear and the new morrowind builds are just laughable hp stacking.

I'll stick with 45k hp and 92% dr over 70k hp and 78% dr. My build is getting even better since more boss attacks are getting classed properly as aoe.

@WalksonGraves You said Pirate was the best. I am merely correcting you. Further, many of the most experience tanks are not running bloodspawn on DKs. Lord Warden is currently often used as it offers some help to the group, especially melee in trials.

Further, this will change in the upcoming expansion even further. I can tell you from running with groups in vMoL pirate is not needed and there are much better sets to run.

But heck, you can run what you want to as long was you raid lead is fine with it.

hmsdragonfly

Lord Warden

Erock25 wrote: »

How are there votes for pirate skeleton?

They buffed it for the next patch, so it might become situational instead of utterly useless, we will see.

P/S: I demand Troll King. Kappa

P/S2: I voted for Lord Warden, why can't I see my choice??? Bug???

WalksonGraves

Pirate Skeleton

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Dks only like bs because they have garbage ult generation, Pirate Skeleton is by far the best helm. Whoever said the proc lowers your block needs to lay off the skooma.

@WalksonGraves

Pirate skeleton is not worn by any tank that's cleared vMoL on HM. Not even close to the best monster set for tanks.

I don't care what they use, nbs arent starved for ult so they don't need bs. Ever other monster set is useless, pirate skeleton is like a free ult.

The dk vmol meta is a shameful *** of the tank class made to cheese through. The old meta is a buff maid in stam dps gear and the new morrowind builds are just laughable hp stacking.

I'll stick with 45k hp and 92% dr over 70k hp and 78% dr. My build is getting even better since more boss attacks are getting classed properly as aoe.

@WalksonGraves You said Pirate was the best. I am merely correcting you. Further, many of the most experience tanks are not running bloodspawn on DKs. Lord Warden is currently often used as it offers some help to the group, especially melee in trials.

Further, this will change in the upcoming expansion even further. I can tell you from running with groups in vMoL pirate is not needed and there are much better sets to run.

But heck, you can run what you want to as long was you raid lead is fine with it.

Not a fan of lord warden, never seen melee trials dps. 5 meters is just too small a circle to be useful.

Dubhliam

So many Chudan answers...

How can anyone be able to finish veteran RoM, and still think this is a good set?
It has very limited use.
The only place I could see it used is if you are in a trial with two tanks and two healers rotating Horn, and you are already at resistance cap.

One free skill slot!
YAY!

Flameheart

Blood Spawn

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Dks only like bs because they have garbage ult generation, Pirate Skeleton is by far the best helm. Whoever said the proc lowers your block needs to lay off the skooma.

@WalksonGraves

Pirate skeleton is not worn by any tank that's cleared vMoL on HM. Not even close to the best monster set for tanks.

I don't care what they use, nbs arent starved for ult so they don't need bs. Ever other monster set is useless, pirate skeleton is like a free ult.

The dk vmol meta is a shameful *** of the tank class made to cheese through. The old meta is a buff maid in stam dps gear and the new morrowind builds are just laughable hp stacking.

I'll stick with 45k hp and 92% dr over 70k hp and 78% dr. My build is getting even better since more boss attacks are getting classed properly as aoe.

@WalksonGraves You said Pirate was the best. I am merely correcting you. Further, many of the most experience tanks are not running bloodspawn on DKs. Lord Warden is currently often used as it offers some help to the group, especially melee in trials.

Further, this will change in the upcoming expansion even further. I can tell you from running with groups in vMoL pirate is not needed and there are much better sets to run.

But heck, you can run what you want to as long was you raid lead is fine with it.

Not a fan of lord warden, never seen melee trials dps. 5 meters is just too small a circle to be useful.

It's pretty usefull in raid encounters where you have continous inc damage and where the whole raid stands together...and that's a lot of encounters btw. Otherwise at least melee DDs will be in the radius. In LoM it's pretty cool for the last boss.

My guess is it will be situational the better choice in HoF too.

PS: Arguing for Pirate Skeleton in preMorrowind trial groups is just a bad excuse for wearing PvP equip in PvE (because too lazy to get more useful stuff ?)

Tan9oSuccka

Engine Guardian

Flameheart wrote: »

As you are a DK - and that's the important point (you have chains and a passive which gives you ressources for ultimates) - and you limit the choice to just one set (a professional tank will use several encounter dependant, Lord Warden comes to my mind) there is only one answer:

Bloodspawn for ultireg and even more ultireg for "chain-warhorning" and own sustain.

For other classes I would take Swarm Mother for trash and Bloodspawn for bosses. Never underestimate the advantage of being able to pile up adds to serve them for AoE dps.

If players in a raid or 4-man-group do their job, you should not have any need for Engine Guardian. Even a non-templar-healer can throw bubbles to sustain your magicka ultility skills (shield, chains etc.) and your ranged taunt.

Good post although for me it changes based on the group. I can usually tell what kind of group I have based on the first trash pull.

As someone who tanks pug vets, I find Engine guardian the most useful since pug healers generally are bad.

If I get a solid group, DPS wise and the healer is buffing and helping with resources. I swap out to Ebon/Bloodspawn.

Waffennacht

PuGs Engine or Sentinel

Good healer, bloodspawn or Warden

For fun or PvP Troll King or Skele

Those are my choices - haven't tried malubeth just yet, haven't been tanking too long

idk

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Dks only like bs because they have garbage ult generation, Pirate Skeleton is by far the best helm. Whoever said the proc lowers your block needs to lay off the skooma.

@WalksonGraves

Pirate skeleton is not worn by any tank that's cleared vMoL on HM. Not even close to the best monster set for tanks.

I don't care what they use, nbs arent starved for ult so they don't need bs. Ever other monster set is useless, pirate skeleton is like a free ult.

The dk vmol meta is a shameful *** of the tank class made to cheese through. The old meta is a buff maid in stam dps gear and the new morrowind builds are just laughable hp stacking.

I'll stick with 45k hp and 92% dr over 70k hp and 78% dr. My build is getting even better since more boss attacks are getting classed properly as aoe.

@WalksonGraves You said Pirate was the best. I am merely correcting you. Further, many of the most experience tanks are not running bloodspawn on DKs. Lord Warden is currently often used as it offers some help to the group, especially melee in trials.

Further, this will change in the upcoming expansion even further. I can tell you from running with groups in vMoL pirate is not needed and there are much better sets to run.

But heck, you can run what you want to as long was you raid lead is fine with it.

Not a fan of lord warden, never seen melee trials dps. 5 meters is just too small a circle to be useful.

@WalksonGraves

How many vet trials have you tanked and have you cleared vMoL? Vet trials, not normal.

I ask because just a few weeks ago you created a thread stating you can count on one hand how many trials you have been able to attempt. The more challenging content is really where the BiS sets are determined.

Fodore

Scourge Harvester

Blood spawn for DK though, I'd go scourge for everything else though.

You should have specified what class you are

Flameheart

Blood Spawn

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

Flameheart wrote: »

As you are a DK - and that's the important point (you have chains and a passive which gives you ressources for ultimates) - and you limit the choice to just one set (a professional tank will use several encounter dependant, Lord Warden comes to my mind) there is only one answer:

Bloodspawn for ultireg and even more ultireg for "chain-warhorning" and own sustain.

For other classes I would take Swarm Mother for trash and Bloodspawn for bosses. Never underestimate the advantage of being able to pile up adds to serve them for AoE dps.

If players in a raid or 4-man-group do their job, you should not have any need for Engine Guardian. Even a non-templar-healer can throw bubbles to sustain your magicka ultility skills (shield, chains etc.) and your ranged taunt.

.. the most useful since pug healers generally are bad.

If I get a solid group, DPS wise and the healer is buffing and helping with resources. I swap out to Ebon/Bloodspawn.

True. Many PUG healers arn't that bad healers, but really bad supporters.

techprince

I use Bloodspawn where i am going to get hit from multiple sources/going to get hit rapidly/going to get hit by DOTs.
I use Lord Warden against slow hitting bosses without adds. Mostly in trials as it benefits them the most.
Pirate Skeleton will become useful after update 14 with 10% proc chance which i will start using in dungeons in place of my current Lord Warden simply because my playstyle includes me using Invigorating Drain on bosses to keep warhorn uptime on 95-100%.
I have Scourge Harverster but i havent used it anywhere.
After update 14, Engine Guardian will become more popular as new tanks will struggle to sustain.
Mighty Chudan is a nice set for stam templar and nb tanks as they dont have Major Resistance buff that follows them around for the entire duration. Sure they can use Unstoppable skill but it costs 4800 stamina which is HUGE.

So all sets have their purpose.

paulsimonps

techprince wrote: »

I use Bloodspawn where i am going to get hit from multiple sources/going to get hit rapidly/going to get hit by DOTs.
I use Lord Warden against slow hitting bosses without adds. Mostly in trials as it benefits them the most.
Pirate Skeleton will become useful after update 14 with 10% proc chance which i will start using in dungeons in place of my current Lord Warden simply because my playstyle includes me using Invigorating Drain on bosses to keep warhorn uptime on 95-100%.
I have Scourge Harverster but i havent used it anywhere.
After update 14, Engine Guardian will become more popular as new tanks will struggle to sustain.
Mighty Chudan is a nice set for stam templar and nb tanks as they dont have Major Resistance buff that follows them around for the entire duration. Sure they can use Unstoppable skill but it costs 4800 stamina which is HUGE.

So all sets have their purpose.

NB's get Major Ward and Resolve from activating a Shadow ability. Its only Templar tanks that have to be stationary to get Major Ward and Resolve with their Rune Focus, but they do still get it for 8s after leaving said Rune Focus. So its not all that bad for them either.

SquareSausage

Why everyone say bloodspawn?

The bonuses from it, stam recovery, don't work when blocking. Ulti generation well if in an organised trial you will usually warhorn rotation so the extra is wasted. The bonus to resistances will generally be wasted as it puts you over cap. PvP and unorganized low level stuff sure why not then.

leepalmer95

Blood Spawn

paulsimonps wrote: »

techprince wrote: »

I use Bloodspawn where i am going to get hit from multiple sources/going to get hit rapidly/going to get hit by DOTs.
I use Lord Warden against slow hitting bosses without adds. Mostly in trials as it benefits them the most.
Pirate Skeleton will become useful after update 14 with 10% proc chance which i will start using in dungeons in place of my current Lord Warden simply because my playstyle includes me using Invigorating Drain on bosses to keep warhorn uptime on 95-100%.
I have Scourge Harverster but i havent used it anywhere.
After update 14, Engine Guardian will become more popular as new tanks will struggle to sustain.
Mighty Chudan is a nice set for stam templar and nb tanks as they dont have Major Resistance buff that follows them around for the entire duration. Sure they can use Unstoppable skill but it costs 4800 stamina which is HUGE.

So all sets have their purpose.

NB's get Major Ward and Resolve from activating a Shadow ability. Its only Templar tanks that have to be stationary to get Major Ward and Resolve with their Rune Focus, but they do still get it for 8s after leaving said Rune Focus. So its not all that bad for them either.

Warden will have aoe major resolve and ward as well.

Oompuh

Blood Spawn

SquareSausage wrote: »

Why everyone say bloodspawn?

The bonuses from it, stam recovery, don't work when blocking. Ulti generation well if in an organised trial you will usually warhorn rotation so the extra is wasted. The bonus to resistances will generally be wasted as it puts you over cap. PvP and unorganized low level stuff sure why not then.

Because OP said both pve and pvp. It's a versatile set. It may not be bis for either but it will work in both

Simply put, make a list of pve tank monster sets and pvp tank monster sets and blood spawn will be the only one that appears on both imo

GuyNamedSean

Blood Spawn

Blood Spawn is great for DKs and is what I use on my DK tank, but the others have their merit as well. I use Scourge Harvester on my NB tank because it's a hard hitting sapper and it plays very well into that style. More enemies hitting you, more health you get.

WalksonGraves

Pirate Skeleton

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Dks only like bs because they have garbage ult generation, Pirate Skeleton is by far the best helm. Whoever said the proc lowers your block needs to lay off the skooma.

@WalksonGraves

Pirate skeleton is not worn by any tank that's cleared vMoL on HM. Not even close to the best monster set for tanks.

I don't care what they use, nbs arent starved for ult so they don't need bs. Ever other monster set is useless, pirate skeleton is like a free ult.

The dk vmol meta is a shameful *** of the tank class made to cheese through. The old meta is a buff maid in stam dps gear and the new morrowind builds are just laughable hp stacking.

I'll stick with 45k hp and 92% dr over 70k hp and 78% dr. My build is getting even better since more boss attacks are getting classed properly as aoe.

@WalksonGraves You said Pirate was the best. I am merely correcting you. Further, many of the most experience tanks are not running bloodspawn on DKs. Lord Warden is currently often used as it offers some help to the group, especially melee in trials.

Further, this will change in the upcoming expansion even further. I can tell you from running with groups in vMoL pirate is not needed and there are much better sets to run.

But heck, you can run what you want to as long was you raid lead is fine with it.

Not a fan of lord warden, never seen melee trials dps. 5 meters is just too small a circle to be useful.

@WalksonGraves

How many vet trials have you tanked and have you cleared vMoL? Vet trials, not normal.

I ask because just a few weeks ago you created a thread stating you can count on one hand how many trials you have been able to attempt. The more challenging content is really where the BiS sets are determined.

Only hm I completed was hel ra but it's not due to my build, people who run vmol already have a set meta that excludes unknowns. High dr mitigates a huge amount of damage and makes for better tanks than hp stacking. It's a superior build due to simple math I don't need to waste my time getting a vmol group together for the sake of proving people wrong.

That your main tank has guard used on him instead of the other way around speaks volumes.

Liofa

WalksonGraves wrote: »

That your main tank has guard used on him instead of the other way around speaks volumes.

Are you implying that you can tank without Guard thanks to your items that give damage mitigation ? Because I tanked every boss in this game in hardest difficulty without Guard , wearing Ebon/Alkosh . I am sure many others did too . What is your point ?

idk

paulsimonps wrote: »

techprince wrote: »

I use Bloodspawn where i am going to get hit from multiple sources/going to get hit rapidly/going to get hit by DOTs.
I use Lord Warden against slow hitting bosses without adds. Mostly in trials as it benefits them the most.
Pirate Skeleton will become useful after update 14 with 10% proc chance which i will start using in dungeons in place of my current Lord Warden simply because my playstyle includes me using Invigorating Drain on bosses to keep warhorn uptime on 95-100%.
I have Scourge Harverster but i havent used it anywhere.
After update 14, Engine Guardian will become more popular as new tanks will struggle to sustain.
Mighty Chudan is a nice set for stam templar and nb tanks as they dont have Major Resistance buff that follows them around for the entire duration. Sure they can use Unstoppable skill but it costs 4800 stamina which is HUGE.

So all sets have their purpose.

NB's get Major Ward and Resolve from activating a Shadow ability. Its only Templar tanks that have to be stationary to get Major Ward and Resolve with their Rune Focus, but they do still get it for 8s after leaving said Rune Focus. So its not all that bad for them either.

Plus I think that focus provides them minor protection. I think that is the only native class source of the 8% damage reduction buff.

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Dks only like bs because they have garbage ult generation, Pirate Skeleton is by far the best helm. Whoever said the proc lowers your block needs to lay off the skooma.

@WalksonGraves

Pirate skeleton is not worn by any tank that's cleared vMoL on HM. Not even close to the best monster set for tanks.

I don't care what they use, nbs arent starved for ult so they don't need bs. Ever other monster set is useless, pirate skeleton is like a free ult.

The dk vmol meta is a shameful *** of the tank class made to cheese through. The old meta is a buff maid in stam dps gear and the new morrowind builds are just laughable hp stacking.

I'll stick with 45k hp and 92% dr over 70k hp and 78% dr. My build is getting even better since more boss attacks are getting classed properly as aoe.

@WalksonGraves You said Pirate was the best. I am merely correcting you. Further, many of the most experience tanks are not running bloodspawn on DKs. Lord Warden is currently often used as it offers some help to the group, especially melee in trials.

Further, this will change in the upcoming expansion even further. I can tell you from running with groups in vMoL pirate is not needed and there are much better sets to run.

But heck, you can run what you want to as long was you raid lead is fine with it.

Not a fan of lord warden, never seen melee trials dps. 5 meters is just too small a circle to be useful.

@WalksonGraves

How many vet trials have you tanked and have you cleared vMoL? Vet trials, not normal.

I ask because just a few weeks ago you created a thread stating you can count on one hand how many trials you have been able to attempt. The more challenging content is really where the BiS sets are determined.

Only hm I completed was hel ra but it's not due to my build, people who run vmol already have a set meta that excludes unknowns. High dr mitigates a huge amount of damage and makes for better tanks than hp stacking. It's a superior build due to simple math I don't need to waste my time getting a vmol group together for the sake of proving people wrong.

That your main tank has guard used on him instead of the other way around speaks volumes.

@WalksonGraves

Wow, so a few weeks ago you had only cleared trials 5 times and one of those as HM of vHRC vs just vHRC. Cool.

For vMoL the "set meta" really varies from team to team. Even among the top teams in the world there are some differences in what they wear though Alkosh is a given for most of them for obvious group benefit reasons. Further, there is little, if anything, unknown about any of the trials on live.

Since none of them gear as you do, even in HM, it is clear the dr you work to achieve is not needed by any means.

You say dr is better than stacking HP, yet in this thread you said you have 45k HP. That is serious stacking of HP. Most tanks clearing vMoL HM, and vHRC HM for that matter, have approximately 30k HP. Significantly less than you, based on your comments.

Since the dr and HP you are stacking is not needed for vMoL HM on live all that can be said about your build is it is inferior. Guarding one player is of significantly less benefit than providing a damage boost to the entire raid and additional survival to the entire raid (via Ebon).

In the end, there is nothing about your build that is superior, though I do respect it is the build you want to use. However, as your thread a few weeks ago pointed out, it could very well be your build and how you view tanking that is the reason you have not tanked many vet trials.

I suggested then, and suggest again, it may be a good idea to consider a different approach if you are looking for the opportunity to tank trials more often. Raid leaders are looking for team players, not players who will ignore their guidance.

Oompuh

Blood Spawn

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Dks only like bs because they have garbage ult generation, Pirate Skeleton is by far the best helm. Whoever said the proc lowers your block needs to lay off the skooma.

@WalksonGraves

Pirate skeleton is not worn by any tank that's cleared vMoL on HM. Not even close to the best monster set for tanks.

I don't care what they use, nbs arent starved for ult so they don't need bs. Ever other monster set is useless, pirate skeleton is like a free ult.

The dk vmol meta is a shameful *** of the tank class made to cheese through. The old meta is a buff maid in stam dps gear and the new morrowind builds are just laughable hp stacking.

I'll stick with 45k hp and 92% dr over 70k hp and 78% dr. My build is getting even better since more boss attacks are getting classed properly as aoe.

@WalksonGraves You said Pirate was the best. I am merely correcting you. Further, many of the most experience tanks are not running bloodspawn on DKs. Lord Warden is currently often used as it offers some help to the group, especially melee in trials.

Further, this will change in the upcoming expansion even further. I can tell you from running with groups in vMoL pirate is not needed and there are much better sets to run.

But heck, you can run what you want to as long was you raid lead is fine with it.

Not a fan of lord warden, never seen melee trials dps. 5 meters is just too small a circle to be useful.

@WalksonGraves

How many vet trials have you tanked and have you cleared vMoL? Vet trials, not normal.

I ask because just a few weeks ago you created a thread stating you can count on one hand how many trials you have been able to attempt. The more challenging content is really where the BiS sets are determined.

Only hm I completed was hel ra but it's not due to my build, people who run vmol already have a set meta that excludes unknowns. High dr mitigates a huge amount of damage and makes for better tanks than hp stacking. It's a superior build due to simple math I don't need to waste my time getting a vmol group together for the sake of proving people wrong.

That your main tank has guard used on him instead of the other way around speaks volumes.

Do you mean vet? Because in your last trial post you had only completed vHRC and on Xbox, there are very few guilds around even running HM trials.

Waffennacht

I have never tanked any trials, I am curious, is Life's Champion a no-no?