Best Monster Helm for Tank

Tremors

Lord Warden

Liofa wrote: »

RedVyperOfDorne wrote: »

Why hate on Chudan?

Sacrificing a unique buff which I could get from other monster sets to get something every single class in this game easily gets ... Hmmm , let me think . No .

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Whoever said the proc lowers your block needs to lay off the skooma.

I just tested it in PTS , it does drop your block , for a split second . Not everytime , but sometimes it does . It is clearly a bug and I am not gonna leave myself to arms of ESO RNG .

I'm sorry but that's super narrow. Support skills in this game are better sometimes, that extra slot allows you to do more, be busy. I agree it's not an amazing set but sometimes it's really nice. Especially with the lack of good tank sets.

disintegr8

I don't think there is a single answer for every build. I have used Engine Guardian and Mighty Chudan but currently use Blood Spawn with Tava's Favour for a high percentage of uptime on war horn to benefit the group.

llllADBllll

Blood Spawn

Other - 1 Piece Shadowrend, 1 Piece Chokethorn

PainfulFAFA

Traditionally its bloodspawn (for ult gen and resists)

But for badass tanks that can do more than 1 role or that dont need a healer its almost always Engine Guardian (heal tanks, health regen tanks, etc)

KeiruNicrom

Blood Spawn

Bloodspawn is good for both pve and pvp. Extra ult gen is always good as a tank

Liofa

RedVyperOfDorne wrote: »

Liofa wrote: »

RedVyperOfDorne wrote: »

Why hate on Chudan?

Sacrificing a unique buff which I could get from other monster sets to get something every single class in this game easily gets ... Hmmm , let me think . No .

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Whoever said the proc lowers your block needs to lay off the skooma.

I just tested it in PTS , it does drop your block , for a split second . Not everytime , but sometimes it does . It is clearly a bug and I am not gonna leave myself to arms of ESO RNG .

I'm sorry but that's super narrow. Support skills in this game are better sometimes, that extra slot allows you to do more, be busy. I agree it's not an amazing set but sometimes it's really nice. Especially with the lack of good tank sets.

I use every single skill on my both bars already . Not making this up , literally in every fight , I use every skill in each bar actively , thanks to addons I guess ^^ And btw , my Major Resist buffs skill makes me support group anyways . I use Balance for support skills spamming like orbs , igneous shield , chains , talons etc. But even if I was running Hardened Armor for resist buffs , I still wouldn't stop using it for Chudan . Burning Heart is amazing .

Also another note , people tank Rakkhat HM with medium armor . I think that's enough evidence to show that you can tank without resist buffs . So , you can stop using whatever buff you use to get Major Resist buffs and slot something useful instead of Chudan .

Lynx7386

The actual tanking monster sets are pretty subpar.

I tend to run grothdarr on my sap tank and stormfist on my stamsorc tank for the extra damage output, especially helps when soloing or aoe tanking groups of enemies.

If you really need extra damage mitigation, go with 1 pc mighty chudan and 1 pc pirate skeleton, you get a ton of extra physical and spell resistance there.

Bloodspawn is largely preferred but personally I've never liked it, the proc chance is very low against single targets (bosses) which is where you actually need the proc to work. It goes off a ton in aoe situations, but usually those enemies dont hit hard enough to matter. The extra ultimate generation is nice, but you'll get a lot more out of tava's.

If you have any issues with resources you could try engine guardian. it's unpredictable but can be fairly helpful.

Oompuh

Blood Spawn

Since you said PvP and PvE, i say Blood Spawn, simply because you said both.

HOWEVER, it seems the rest of the comments seem to be PvE based tanking related.
Lord Warden, Nice in PvE for the melee stack. PvP, no.
Chudan, I find it unnecessary, spiked armor ftw.
EG, Malubeth, Pirate. All meh, not my cup of tea.

Another option not listed.... 2 1 pcs like double health or double mag recovery are viable as well

DeadlyRecluse

Blood Spawn

If you want to run a monster set for both PvE and PvP and aren't worried about perfect endgame setup, you really can't go wrong with either Bloodspawn or Engine Guardian.

Curragraigue

Blood Spawn

For a Stam DK tank to use in both PvE and PvP not knowing your set up, group size and coordination or all of your gear then has to be Bloodspawn as the most all round monster set

Bowser

Mighty Chudan

Liofa wrote: »

RedVyperOfDorne wrote: »

Liofa wrote: »

RedVyperOfDorne wrote: »

Why hate on Chudan?

Sacrificing a unique buff which I could get from other monster sets to get something every single class in this game easily gets ... Hmmm , let me think . No .

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Whoever said the proc lowers your block needs to lay off the skooma.

I just tested it in PTS , it does drop your block , for a split second . Not everytime , but sometimes it does . It is clearly a bug and I am not gonna leave myself to arms of ESO RNG .

I'm sorry but that's super narrow. Support skills in this game are better sometimes, that extra slot allows you to do more, be busy. I agree it's not an amazing set but sometimes it's really nice. Especially with the lack of good tank sets.

I use every single skill on my both bars already . Not making this up , literally in every fight , I use every skill in each bar actively , thanks to addons I guess ^^ And btw , my Major Resist buffs skill makes me support group anyways . I use Balance for support skills spamming like orbs , igneous shield , chains , talons etc. But even if I was running Hardened Armor for resist buffs , I still wouldn't stop using it for Chudan . Burning Heart is amazing .

Also another note , people tank Rakkhat HM with medium armor . I think that's enough evidence to show that you can tank without resist buffs . So , you can stop using whatever buff you use to get Major Resist buffs and slot something useful instead of Chudan .

That's because Rakkhat HM is ezpz and you're putting waaaay too much effort into it.

Its a lot more fun to run with a two-hander on your backbar the whole fight, then charge in during execute phase and steal the kill - trust me!

starkerealm

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

How are there votes for pirate skeleton?

Trolls.

They're not voting for Troll King? Where's their solidarity, man.

Tremors

Lord Warden

Liofa wrote: »

RedVyperOfDorne wrote: »

Liofa wrote: »

RedVyperOfDorne wrote: »

Why hate on Chudan?

Sacrificing a unique buff which I could get from other monster sets to get something every single class in this game easily gets ... Hmmm , let me think . No .

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Whoever said the proc lowers your block needs to lay off the skooma.

I just tested it in PTS , it does drop your block , for a split second . Not everytime , but sometimes it does . It is clearly a bug and I am not gonna leave myself to arms of ESO RNG .

I'm sorry but that's super narrow. Support skills in this game are better sometimes, that extra slot allows you to do more, be busy. I agree it's not an amazing set but sometimes it's really nice. Especially with the lack of good tank sets.

I use every single skill on my both bars already . Not making this up , literally in every fight , I use every skill in each bar actively , thanks to addons I guess ^^ And btw , my Major Resist buffs skill makes me support group anyways . I use Balance for support skills spamming like orbs , igneous shield , chains , talons etc. But even if I was running Hardened Armor for resist buffs , I still wouldn't stop using it for Chudan . Burning Heart is amazing .

Also another note , people tank Rakkhat HM with medium armor . I think that's enough evidence to show that you can tank without resist buffs . So , you can stop using whatever buff you use to get Major Resist buffs and slot something useful instead of Chudan .

Yeah I know what you run, I also understand what medium armour tanks are currently capable of. The fact is, most tank 2pc sets suck and if you can slot another skill because there's not much going to benefit your group in a particular scenario, then chudan it is. It also offers health and the 1 piece is decent.

I actually don't use it but you're just overlooking it because you use balance.

crobarXIII

Blood Spawn

Bloodspawn is my default monster set for tanks but depending on the situation I'll use other monster sets too.

Brrrofski

Blood Spawn

No grothdrarr?? Didn't expect it lol. But that's what I use on my saptank. Path, sap and grothdrarr means the entire room wants to fight you with no actual taunt in sight.

Enslaved

Blood Spawn

Tank has few jobs and one of them is to sound the horn when needed. So, ulti generation is essential. Thus, bloodspawn is best set for a tank, since it makes horn uptime better.

Rappakon

Blood Spawn

As it stands right now, Blood Spawn is the best "all-around" monster set for DK tanking. The ulti-gen and resistances are really nice even though it is a low proc chance. The 1 piece set bonus (stam recovery) is pretty much useless unfortunately and in a top tier group the ulti-gen isn't necessary since you'll have a warhorn up in a trial rotation with your normal light attacks+heroic slash+igneous spam. Some honorable mentions which are pretty much situational are...

1.) Mighty Chudan: I rarely run this but it can free up a spot on your bar so you don't have to run your armor buff or worry about reapplying it.

2.) Malubeth: Pretty nice in fights where you are just taking a ton of damage. I like using it on hard mode Rakkhat, the healing is nice plus you get major vitality as long as the beam is on you.

3.) Sentinel Rhakumagz: I probably butchered the spelling but it spawns a nice little spider that can recover a ton of stam for your team which can be helpful with certain compositions.

4.) Lord Warden: Really nice for stacked fights as it gives a ton of resistances to anyone in the area.

DRXHarbinger

Engine Guardian

Voting for next patch.

Sharee

Pirate Skeleton

I guess for a tank in a group where he never has to worry about dying the ult regen from bloodspawn would make it superior to pirate skeleton, but for raw survivability, PS is the better choice IMO, especially after the morrowind buff.

Tremors

Lord Warden

For PVE with a good rotation, bloodspawn is literally trash.

Liofa

Bowser wrote: »

That's because Rakkhat HM is ezpz and you're putting waaaay too much effort into it.

Its a lot more fun to run with a two-hander on your backbar the whole fight, then charge in during execute phase and steal the kill - trust me!

I used Broom and Bucket once . Does that count ? ^^

Flameheart

Blood Spawn

As you are a DK - and that's the important point (you have chains and a passive which gives you ressources for ultimates) - and you limit the choice to just one set (a professional tank will use several encounter dependant, Lord Warden comes to my mind) there is only one answer:

Bloodspawn for ultireg and even more ultireg for "chain-warhorning" and own sustain.

For other classes I would take Swarm Mother for trash and Bloodspawn for bosses. Never underestimate the advantage of being able to pile up adds to serve them for AoE dps.

If players in a raid or 4-man-group do their job, you should not have any need for Engine Guardian. Even a non-templar-healer can throw bubbles to sustain your magicka ultility skills (shield, chains etc.) and your ranged taunt.

DonWalking

Flameheart wrote: »

As you are a DK - and that's the important point (you have chains and a passive which gives you ressources for ultimates) - and you limit the choice to just one set (a professional tank will use several encounter dependant, Lord Warden comes to my mind) there is only one answer:

Bloodspawn for ultireg and even more ultireg for "chain-warhorning" and own sustain.

For other classes I would take Swarm Mother for trash and Bloodspawn for bosses. Never underestimate the advantage of being able to pile up adds to serve them for AoE dps.

If players in a raid or 4-man-group do their job, you should not have any need for Engine Guardian. Even a non-templar-healer can throw bubbles to sustain your magicka ultility skills (shield, chains etc.) and your ranged taunt.

I think out of all the posts in this discussion, yours is the most helpful, thanks!

WalksonGraves

Pirate Skeleton

Liofa wrote: »

RedVyperOfDorne wrote: »

Why hate on Chudan?

Sacrificing a unique buff which I could get from other monster sets to get something every single class in this game easily gets ... Hmmm , let me think . No .

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Whoever said the proc lowers your block needs to lay off the skooma.

I just tested it in PTS , it does drop your block , for a split second . Not everytime , but sometimes it does . It is clearly a bug and I am not gonna leave myself to arms of ESO RNG .

I'm going to have to test this for myself, if it isn't happening every time you could just be mistaken.

idk

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Dks only like bs because they have garbage ult generation, Pirate Skeleton is by far the best helm. Whoever said the proc lowers your block needs to lay off the skooma.

@WalksonGraves

Pirate skeleton is not worn by any tank that's cleared vMoL on HM. Not even close to the best monster set for tanks.

WalksonGraves

Pirate Skeleton

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Dks only like bs because they have garbage ult generation, Pirate Skeleton is by far the best helm. Whoever said the proc lowers your block needs to lay off the skooma.

@WalksonGraves

Pirate skeleton is not worn by any tank that's cleared vMoL on HM. Not even close to the best monster set for tanks.

I don't care what they use, nbs arent starved for ult so they don't need bs. Ever other monster set is useless, pirate skeleton is like a free ult.

The dk vmol meta is a shameful *** of the tank class made to cheese through. The old meta is a buff maid in stam dps gear and the new morrowind builds are just laughable hp stacking.

I'll stick with 45k hp and 92% dr over 70k hp and 78% dr. My build is getting even better since more boss attacks are getting classed properly as aoe.

paulsimonps

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Dks only like bs because they have garbage ult generation, Pirate Skeleton is by far the best helm. Whoever said the proc lowers your block needs to lay off the skooma.

@WalksonGraves

Pirate skeleton is not worn by any tank that's cleared vMoL on HM. Not even close to the best monster set for tanks.

I don't care what they use, nbs arent starved for ult so they don't need bs. Ever other monster set is useless, pirate skeleton is like a free ult.

The dk vmol meta is a shameful *** of the tank class made to cheese through. The old meta is a buff maid in stam dps gear and the new morrowind builds are just laughable hp stacking.

I'll stick with 45k hp and 92% dr over 70k hp and 78% dr. My build is getting even better since more boss attacks are getting classed properly as aoe.

Blocking, Average resistance say 27k, Minor Maim, Sword and Board Passive, Absorb Magic, DK's Iron Skin and average CP. These are things all DK Tanks have and you land at 83.761% That is what most tanks regardless of class will land at. Not sure what tanks you are referring to that only gets 78%

WalksonGraves

Pirate Skeleton

paulsimonps wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Dks only like bs because they have garbage ult generation, Pirate Skeleton is by far the best helm. Whoever said the proc lowers your block needs to lay off the skooma.

@WalksonGraves

Pirate skeleton is not worn by any tank that's cleared vMoL on HM. Not even close to the best monster set for tanks.

I don't care what they use, nbs arent starved for ult so they don't need bs. Ever other monster set is useless, pirate skeleton is like a free ult.

The dk vmol meta is a shameful *** of the tank class made to cheese through. The old meta is a buff maid in stam dps gear and the new morrowind builds are just laughable hp stacking.

I'll stick with 45k hp and 92% dr over 70k hp and 78% dr. My build is getting even better since more boss attacks are getting classed properly as aoe.

Blocking, Average resistance say 27k, Minor Maim, Sword and Board Passive, Absorb Magic, DK's Iron Skin and average CP. These are things all DK Tanks have and you land at 83.761% That is what most tanks regardless of class will land at. Not sure what tanks you are referring to that only gets 78%

oh noes 5%

paulsimonps

WalksonGraves wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Dks only like bs because they have garbage ult generation, Pirate Skeleton is by far the best helm. Whoever said the proc lowers your block needs to lay off the skooma.

@WalksonGraves

Pirate skeleton is not worn by any tank that's cleared vMoL on HM. Not even close to the best monster set for tanks.

I don't care what they use, nbs arent starved for ult so they don't need bs. Ever other monster set is useless, pirate skeleton is like a free ult.

The dk vmol meta is a shameful *** of the tank class made to cheese through. The old meta is a buff maid in stam dps gear and the new morrowind builds are just laughable hp stacking.

I'll stick with 45k hp and 92% dr over 70k hp and 78% dr. My build is getting even better since more boss attacks are getting classed properly as aoe.

Blocking, Average resistance say 27k, Minor Maim, Sword and Board Passive, Absorb Magic, DK's Iron Skin and average CP. These are things all DK Tanks have and you land at 83.761% That is what most tanks regardless of class will land at. Not sure what tanks you are referring to that only gets 78%

oh noes 5%

That's funny. you say that but adding major protection to that same value gives an increase of less than 5%. It would go from 83.761% to 88.633% So your argument for Pirate skeleton is "oh noes 5%"

Tremors

Lord Warden

WalksonGraves wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Dks only like bs because they have garbage ult generation, Pirate Skeleton is by far the best helm. Whoever said the proc lowers your block needs to lay off the skooma.

@WalksonGraves

Pirate skeleton is not worn by any tank that's cleared vMoL on HM. Not even close to the best monster set for tanks.

I don't care what they use, nbs arent starved for ult so they don't need bs. Ever other monster set is useless, pirate skeleton is like a free ult.

The dk vmol meta is a shameful *** of the tank class made to cheese through. The old meta is a buff maid in stam dps gear and the new morrowind builds are just laughable hp stacking.

I'll stick with 45k hp and 92% dr over 70k hp and 78% dr. My build is getting even better since more boss attacks are getting classed properly as aoe.

Blocking, Average resistance say 27k, Minor Maim, Sword and Board Passive, Absorb Magic, DK's Iron Skin and average CP. These are things all DK Tanks have and you land at 83.761% That is what most tanks regardless of class will land at. Not sure what tanks you are referring to that only gets 78%

oh noes 5%

Rekt, not to mention pirate skeleton drops your block when you transform, unless you wear the poly, so there is no transformation.