Nightblade class should come with warning

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  • whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO
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    if you are a Stamblade (stamina Nightblade), use dual Wield and get Flurry and Morph it to Boodthirst and then get Twin Slashes and morph it to Blood Craze. Using these two abilities will dramatically extend your life in PvE if you are dying to mobs/add's.

    If you are using two handed, get Cleave and Morph it to Brawler, the more add's/mobs you hit the bigger the shield and it puts a bleed on the enemies as well, and when you get to a higher level in Two Handed get Momentum and morph it to Rally for a good heal over time.

    These weapon abilities with Assassin's Blade Morphed to Killers Blade and using Marked Target (and it's Morph's) will help you stay alive easily..

    if you want to get Vigor (the Holy Grail heal of Stamina) then do it the easy way if you hate PvP, save up alot of money, yeah, your a Nightblade go steal it :smiley: and then buy wall repair kits and find keep walls to fix in your spare time (you can have a Home and Guest PvP server), after you use up the kits you will have generated AP (alliance Points) and you can use those to buy more repair kits or go steal more money and buy more. after sometime you will get to Alliance and Support skill line to rank 5 and you can then get Vigor and then level it up like any other skill.

    Note- I used this way to get my Critty Kat (Khajiit Nightblade PvE Crit' build) up to Alliance and Support skill line 5 to get Vigor, so it can be done, it's Boring, but.... it can be done, I know I did it.

    If you like PvP you can join a group and PvP and get your Alliance and Support skill line up to 5 and get Vigor that way..
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  • ADarklore
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    Seems to me OP is complaining mostly about not having CLASS Stamina skills, instead of accepting that as a Stamblade, they will have to depend a lot more on weapon skills than class skills. Although that is pretty much a DUH thing for any Stamina build in ESO... Stamina is all about weapons, not so much Class skills.
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  • Tigeracer
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    I started playing during the beta and then pre release of ESO. I still play that same character today.

    If you didn't have the chance to play back then, let me tell you, it was a lot less forgiving than it is now, especially once you started to experience the veteran levels.

    Playing as a nightblade could be very difficult sometimes, most notably against Doshia (fighters guild quest), who killed me probably 30 or more times and then again against Molag bal, who slaughtered me just as many times. They were both easy compared to what veteran would throw at me. Standard mobs were wrecking me if there were three or more.

    Eventually I was able to get a handle on the class and became one of the first (that I know of) sap tanks and tanked AA hard mode and HRC hard mode. This was all before the magicka and stamina split was made (no stamina class skills at all).

    Fast forward to now and my stamina NB is doing pretty well for himself, given a lengthy 1 year break from the game. I have also levelled up a stamina DK!

    Levelling up the DK has been a walk in the park, compared to my nightblade, but that could just be the fact that the game is so much easier now.

    My point in all of this is that no matter how hard you are finding it, you'll get to a point where you start to understand how to make it work and become a better player for it.

    You can always pm me if you want some advice too.
  • DocFrost72
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    SydneyGrey wrote: »
    Congrats. My point remains that stamina NBs are still weak in face-to-face PvE fights compared with other classes, and need a better heal ability.
    Well, fights are scaled to your level, so .....



    The fact that you think that scaling is the problem with soloing a world boss tells me all I need to know about your opinion on Nightblades :)

    Edit: Seems unfair not to say this, so I suppose I'll try to help. World bosses and group dungems are designed around the idea of having a team. At level seven, you might have the first few passives in one or two trees, and maybe a full 5 skills with maybe 1 or two morphed, and unless you're some kinda sadist that loves peeing away gold, you're in training gear at best. You're not running rings and necklace, and in a lot of cases you don't even have access to a decent heal.

    With that said, I am soloing world bosses at 7. The class has excellent starter kits. A damaging move that heals you is very powerful, and if you keep that going with cloak (unlocked before you hit level six), you really can make distance and keep yourself topped off.

    If you meant stamina, slot bloodthirsty (the very first skill in the dw line), and time your dodge rolls.

    This is entirely a "l2p" issue, and truthfully, nightblades are not a dead class. They are bottom of the barrel (for a few reasons) but by no means unplayable. Please, do not spread misinformation.
    Edited by DocFrost72 on May 8, 2017 1:12AM
  • Unfadingsilence
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    vpy wrote: »
    Its pathetic trying to complete quests (especially the Harborage nonsensical quests) as Nightblade whereas it is effing easy in my Sorc.

    For crying out loud, ZOS should have the decency to inform beginners that they should avoid this crap class and instead try leveling a sorc or templar.

    30 hours of time is wasted in this garbage.

    Not sure whether I should be sad for leveling this class or should be happy that I have not invested a whole lot more in this cesspit of a class
    My main class I play in PVE is a magic NB and pvp a stamp NB it seems like you might need to L2P I have done all content in the game with both Stam and magic NB so not really sure where all the hate is coming from
  • Florial
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    Haven't read through the entire thread but OP, have to agree with you. My stamina NB, although I can solo much of the content, is the hardest of all my characters to play. I'm converting one of my NB characters over to magicka to just experience another aspect of play. But I agree with ya, the stamina NB is one of the harder classes to master. I feel your pain.

  • KingYogi415
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    Ive beat the whole main story on my first stamblade without vigor or 2 hander heal.

    Playing smart with bloodthirst and blood craze works.

    You need decent geat. Your 10 levels under non set crap wont do.
  • ParaNostram
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    . . . This thread . . . hurt my soul . . . Like, my magblade is my top DPS character.
    "Your mistake is you begged for your life, not for mercy. I will show you there are many fates worse than death."

    Para Nostram
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  • Yo_Donno
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    Overland content is really easy. Simple fix for people QQing about leveling nightblades-

    Make Sap Essence the first or second skill in the tree.
  • Smmokkee
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    . . . This thread . . . hurt my soul . . . Like, my magblade is my top DPS character.

    We get it no amount of nerfs will ever hurt your God tier ability.
  • ParaNostram
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    Smmokkee wrote: »

    We get it no amount of nerfs will ever hurt your God tier ability.

    It's called, for lack of a better way to put it, playing to a classes strengths and mastering the class. If you believe you can't do it before you even try then you've already set yourself up for failure as well. You get out of it what you put into it.

    Do yourselves a favor, tell the Meta to go [long censored pause] and never call it again! Create your own builds that suit your playstyle first and foremost THEN fine tune it for performance. It will go a long way to improving your performance on three fronts. One - you'll learn how your class works. Two - you'll have your build tailored to you which means Three - you'll feel better and play better.

    /endrant
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  • xb1LL_mr_sir_LL
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    NBs are the best class to quest on because of cloak.
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    It's called, for lack of a better way to put it, playing to a classes strengths and mastering the class. If you believe you can't do it before you even try then you've already set yourself up for failure as well. You get out of it what you put into it.

    Do yourselves a favor, tell the Meta to go [long censored pause] and never call it again! Create your own builds that suit your playstyle first and foremost THEN fine tune it for performance. It will go a long way to improving your performance on three fronts. One - you'll learn how your class works. Two - you'll have your build tailored to you which means Three - you'll feel better and play better.

    /endrant

    This guy is a riot.

    I name you nobleblade.
    Edited by Smmokkee on May 8, 2017 4:36AM
  • DocFrost72
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    Smmokkee wrote: »

    This guy is a riot.

    I name you nobleblade.

    They're right though, that's the awesome part. The difference between your performance on a build you like and one you hate can be as large as BiS gear and green world drops sometimes.
    Edited by DocFrost72 on May 8, 2017 4:51AM
  • Galwylin
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    No ***, Sherlock. Of course its a learn to play issue. That's what we're talking about. The nightblade is the hardest of the classes to learn to play. Should it come with that info upfront? And why is it the hardest. There's nothing about sneak that matters any more now. You are the only class in the game that doesn't have any class skill that gives a good burst of healing. The sorcerer has their deals. The templars their radiant light. Even dragonknight can shield to increase their incoming heal. The nightblade gets to depend on their damage for a small hot if they aren't magicka and just sucking it out of them. But stamina has to look to Alliance or weapon abilities for a decent heal. Why is that? What is it about the stamina class that demands it do nothing as well as the others? It may be a learn to play issue but it takes a lot more learning that any of the other classes.

    Mine btw is now magicka. There's no use trying to keep on with stamina when it keeps getting slapped away from the table every single time. Its not only the hardest to level but the most hated apparently. Any plans they have to improve it have mysteriously never arrive. Just one nerf after the other. It was just time to give up. They've made that clear.
  • Elvenpath
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    Interesting l2p topic since i'm playing nightblade.
  • Shadow_Viper_vX
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    It's Fine, Learn to Play

    Adapt and Overcome

    Stop Crying
  • Code2501
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    In my experience the much stated "Sorc are just EZmode" is fairly accurate. For general content I kill stuff quicker with my lvl 23 sorc than my 400cp NB.
    NB play involves at least 3 gcd's for a basic overland mob but sorc is often only 2. Their execute is just so much smoother in play and hits like a truck with minimal effort. And dont get me started with half price insta frags.

    That said you should be able to solo any normal content with nb skills alone. You just have to be more active with dodge/block/cloak/kite/hot, etc. And yes it will take more effort than being a sorc and walking around saying 'pew pew' and watching stuff just fall over.

    It wasn't allways like this. I remember in year 1 NB would hit just as hard as a sorc. But 're-ballancing' has left them behind in terms of the actual ease of play. Just look at merciless. I remember when that first appeared in patch notes thinking 'why? why make such an over engineered mechanic'
    Edited by Code2501 on May 8, 2017 6:32AM
  • AoDD33pfri3d
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    Depends on build my goblin bane weapon gives me a shield my other weapon that I crafted and made a glyph for regenerating stam and I use a skill where I heal off of it. I also use vigor to heal as a back up. Set I run is viper and still trying to get blood spawn 2 piece set. I have no problems with the class.
    Edited by AoDD33pfri3d on May 8, 2017 6:31AM
  • Huyen
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    Smmokkee wrote: »

    Those heals aren't viable heals for a stamblade to rely on.

    The biggest issue for stamblades (like me) is that Vigor is a skill locked behind pvp. But then again, if I read the OP, its really a l2p issue here. I've been playing a Nightblade since Beta, and have enough hours in it, to say that I dont like the other classes as much as my Nightblade.
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  • Linaleah
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    when I first started playing. i thought I just sucked at this game that much. it was discouraging and frustrating. I actualy quit the game over the fact that I just couldn't progress properly. I came back after game went b2p, it was still rough. eventually one tamriel was released and I tried, genuinely tried playing other classes. it turns out? that no i don't suck as much as i thought. nightblades are just that much harder to level than just about every other class. oh, once I got my stamblade to 50, built up some cp, crafted her semi decent gear (nowhere near best in slot but decent at least), she has become much easier to play. but.. I STILL have FAR easier time doing just about anything solo on my sorc and my templar and my DK than I do on my stamblade. even though they are not 50, they gear is a mishmash of whatever dropped for me via questing/delves. to clarify. my under 50 still missing skillpoints wearing crappy gear alts? are easier to play though the very same overland content, than my lvl 50 nighblade with her purple gear and golden weapons and full on crafted set bonuses with agility jewelry.

    maybe its l2p issue. but having compared all 4 classes at this point? stamblades ARE in fact that much harder and more frustrating to solo on that anyone else. hell even build guides state as much. so some of you need to get off your *** elitist horses and make up your damn minds on whether you think stamblades are overnerfed, or juuuuust fine, people just need to l2p.
    Edited by Linaleah on May 8, 2017 7:57AM
    dirty worthless casual.
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  • Kiwi
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    i don tthink theyre a hard class to play, just not as easy as some others
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  • WildWilbur
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    My first char and main until now is my NB. As a Stamblade I played him through the old vet levels solo. THAT was a experience i really like the OP to learn and post about... >:)

    Miss the old days though... :'(
    Edited by WildWilbur on May 8, 2017 8:17AM
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  • CaptainBeerDude
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    I vaguely remember that NB's used to be the big dogs in PvP. Go invisible or stealth. Hit someone unaware with a whole bunch of ani cancelled attacks and then t-bag the corpse.
    So they probably got nerfed into Oblivion because that is hard to defend against. But ppl will always try to get the most powerful option for themselves, so then it moved onto shield stacking sorcs.
    And before the NB meta, I thought the pinnacle was the immortal DK. Things will change over time, so just chill.
  • Sakiri
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    Oh come on. If my noob self could kill Molag Bal easily on my hybrid Nightblade there's no reason anyone else shouldn't be able to do it.

    Sure, Nightblades aren't competing with the other classes at end game DPS but that is no excuse for struggling in overland stuff! A shield and spamming swallow soul should be enough, surely?

    Honestly I think they nerfed the snot out of the Molag Bal fight at some point.

    I remember it being harder than that on my stamDK, stamSorc and magplar back when VR was still a thing, a few months after release.

    I was expecting something other than "stand in his face spamming Surprise Attack like a moron".
  • jefferyjju
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    Hey I don't know how to make a Stam NB or delve into all of the numbers that you all seem to have done but I've only played ESO as a NB I've finished the main story gone into Dungeons without healers and I done all of it just fine I don't have issues staying alive because every add I kill fully restores my health and same thing goes for regular quest I take out the adds quick and then fight the bosses with full health and i don't have a set rotation that I use or anything. i rarely even carry potions Idk if NB are weak because I've never felt weak my daggers have poison that's about it. But yeah I never felt weak.
  • RavenSworn
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    I think a lot of the problem comes when you try to play the nightblade, especially stamblade just like you play a sorcerer or stamplar. the playstyle is just different. you don't use a surgical knife to hammer a nail do ya? and too many times I see players try that with other classes and then complain they don't have the tools given. the weapon skill lines, guild skill lines are what you need to complement your build.

    hell, I had so much trouble with my Templar because I tried to play him like how I played my nightblade. it just doesn't work that way.
    Sakiri wrote: »
    Stamblade, and I'm squishy as hell.

    I have more than three on me, I'm dead, and some quest bosses I had to crutch on my WW form to kill. Delve bosses too.

    This is all under 160 CP mind you.

    I feel you should relook at your build and see how you can change it to fit a group setting, because I think I thrive if the group is more than 3 with my nightblade. a cloak - ambush - killer's blade on a marked enemy kills them in 2 secs. a rally - critical charge with a marked target will hit for a lot more. surprise attack hits like a truck and gives you major resistance and also increases your max health while slotted. suddenly finding your self in heaps of trouble? Soul tether. Best leech ability imo.

    he'll I can even use sword and shield, ambush, deep slash, pop absorb magic, refreshing path and I can tank ten mofo without losing a beat. try this combo too, trap beast then soul tether.
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  • Sakiri
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    I have no interest in 2h, but thanks.
  • Meld777
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    Especially in Morrowind there should be a warning that Nightblade is a RP/social class. If you are an interesting person and able to make friends in game, you will be able to convince others to carry you through content. If you prefer to do the carrying and convince people through DPS, roll a Sorc.
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  • Kodrac
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    These forums are full of fail. Did you ever think you're not supposed to copy/paste your magsorc build on a stamblade? They're totally different playstyles. One requires laying don't ground dots, the other requires direct attacks.

    Edited by Kodrac on May 8, 2017 1:26PM
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