Nightblade class should come with warning

  • vyndral13preub18_ESO
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    Avalon wrote: »

    Agreed on that... Stamblade needs to be at great range, or expect to be destroyed if the boss of a dungeon even glances at you, because all of your heals that depend on magicka are way too few and don't heal for much, and the stamina ones require dying things (which bosses don't do until there is no need for further heals). Otherwise, magicka build, and can be a decent, if not great tank, or a healer, or ranged DPS, etc... The class that has the most stamina morphs, is the one that needs the most stamina fixed, irony!

    they put the one heal fits all stamina in the pvp tree. Vigor.

    But again the op is talking about questing content. Not dungeons or trials.
  • Gilvoth
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    we should not have to be high end, Elite type, E-Sport, Champion type extremest to just play and have fun and do basic gameplay in ESO


    Edited by Gilvoth on May 7, 2017 5:08PM
  • Sakiri
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    Stamblade, and I'm squishy as hell.

    I have more than three on me, I'm dead, and some quest bosses I had to crutch on my WW form to kill. Delve bosses too.

    This is all under 160 CP mind you.
  • Avalon
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    they put the one heal fits all stamina in the pvp tree. Vigor.

    But again the op is talking about questing content. Not dungeons or trials.

    Yeah, and lucky us! You saw the massive nerf coming for Vigor? /FD

    I know, OP is talking about stuff that, well, my cat could probably get any character through without too much difficulty, so, I am on to the other points people are bringing up.
  • Eirella
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    This is getting a little ridiculous. Nightblades could definitely use a few buffs but they are not nearly as bad as the OP is describing. I've been having a lot of fun recently playing my stamblade and haven't had any trouble playing it aside from occasional user error (this is in PVP though, overland PVE is a cakewalk.)
    Clearly a L2P issue.
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  • vyndral13preub18_ESO
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    Avalon wrote: »

    Yeah, and lucky us! You saw the massive nerf coming for Vigor? /FD

    I know, OP is talking about stuff that, well, my cat could probably get any character through without too much difficulty, so, I am on to the other points people are bringing up.

    Oh. I see. So instead of posting in one of the other several threads about how poorly a nb is doing in group content. It seemed like a good idea to come into a thread about something else. And instead of trying to help the op who is having trouble, talk about something else altogether and then tell the op your cat can play better then him.

    Seems reasonable.
  • Runschei
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    I play all classes and I don't think nb is any harder to play in pve. I actually find it easer as a nightblade, but that might be because I'm playing a nightblade 70% of my time and feel most comfortable as one ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

  • starkerealm
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    Mashille wrote: »
    @vyndral13preub18_ESO

    Well, back at launch my very first toon was a Nightblade and I don't recall ever having "actual difficultly" completing anything and Overland content now is far Easier than it was back then.

    Harvesters used to give me a lot of grief, back at launch. I'm honestly still kind of wary of them on a NB, even though I can face roll them to death now.
  • Tholian1
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    I can play my stamblade easily doing quests, delves and public dungeons solo. Still struggling to complete Maelstrom Arena and can't solo world bosses or group dungeons.
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  • starkerealm
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    they put the one heal fits all stamina in the pvp tree. Vigor.

    But again the op is talking about questing content. Not dungeons or trials.

    For questing content, Rally is a pretty viable self heal option.
  • Daemons_Bane
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    Just because it don't work for you, don't mean that other players can't make it work.. I've had one since day one, to great success
  • STEVIL
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    vpy wrote: »
    Its pathetic trying to complete quests (especially the Harborage nonsensical quests) as Nightblade whereas it is effing easy in my Sorc.

    For crying out loud, ZOS should have the decency to inform beginners that they should avoid this crap class and instead try leveling a sorc or templar.

    30 hours of time is wasted in this garbage.

    Not sure whether I should be sad for leveling this class or should be happy that I have not invested a whole lot more in this cesspit of a class

    i do not disagree with every class being given a paragraph about its strengths and weaknesses.

    Nb could be as simple as "this class is not intended to have top dps, top burst dps, significant stealth advantages and good healing all at once" and that might well eliminate some confusion.

    i always saw this class as a best at stealth with string utility - a good solo class for instance. I never once looked at it and said "hey, on top of that, it should be a top performer in dps for the one percenters in group/trial"

    let me ask, does anyone bashing the NB performance as "crap class" believe this also applies to stealth related content such as the TG/DB heists and sacraments? Do you prefer templars or Dks to go sneaking thru those heists over nightblades?

    or are NB actually best at that content but you dont give a crap about that content?

    do none of you find the nb stealth capabilities useful at all in PVP settings, not for direct in-combat death dealing destruction as for situational control as in avoiding or escaping? not at all? no?

    or are thos elements there but you dont give a crap about those either?

    By no means saying the NB is a perfect class, but like all classes it has its strengths and those seem to keep getting ingored if they dont fit into the one-percenter views of whats needed for a very small closet of content - namely end-game group-trial dps play.

    PS: if you have problems completing main questline with Nb, or really any of the normal tier questlines, the issue is not with the Nb cbut more PEBKAC. i think my very first molag bal kill was with a Nb and my first vet-16 level was with a nb though my main/first character was not a nb.





    Edited by STEVIL on May 7, 2017 6:55PM
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    Mashille wrote: »
    @vyndral13preub18_ESO

    Well, back at launch my very first toon was a Nightblade and I don't recall ever having "actual difficultly" completing anything and Overland content now is far Easier than it was back then.
    Yes, I say templar is the easiest class to start with because of the swipe AOE damage and heal, sorcerer is second because of pet, way easier if you use surge but that is not intuitive.
    With crafted blue sets as an alt will have all overland content is trivial, add food for an lol.
    Without it its much harder and might well hit NB hardest.
    Grinding just make you go in circles.
    Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.
  • LadyDestiny
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    Be happy you didn't play nightblade when eso came out on pc. Worst broken class ever and content was way more difficult. It's a cake walk now....
    Edited by LadyDestiny on May 9, 2017 7:16AM
  • teladoy
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    So you're complaining about NB because you can't do pve quests... I would write to you l2p but they did already so I will write .........
  • Princess_Ciri
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    Oh come on. If my noob self could kill Molag Bal easily on my hybrid Nightblade there's no reason anyone else shouldn't be able to do it.

    Sure, Nightblades aren't competing with the other classes at end game DPS but that is no excuse for struggling in overland stuff! A shield and spamming swallow soul should be enough, surely?
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  • Jollygoodusername
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    My NB is weak af, stamina based with bow/dual wield + WW passives. I struggle to keep up with content compared to my other characters. But I hear it's only going to get worse after Morrowind release...ah well then, so be it. Will just stick to spamming Snipe >_< It's literally the only way aside from going werewolf, to to any dps before dying. Potions are utter garbo btw and siphon skills too weak as stamina based, to do any good.

    There's issues with NB and I'm saying that from leveling only to lvl 44 within a years time, still my favorite class to play so far since all the others seem to be OP or just lazy-mode.
  • FoulSnowpaw
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    I think it's more a playstyle or learn to play issue. If you don't like it, there are other options.
  • DocFrost72
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    My level 7 nightblade solos worldbosses. It's starter kit is second only to magicka templars. This entirely a player issue, and that is not a dig.
  • SydneyGrey
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    I could do most fights with my stamina nightblade, but there were a couple of quest bosses I couldn't do, notably the Grand Sermonizer in the Dark Brotherhood questline. Granted, my character wasn't optimized at the time. I could probably do that fight with my NB now that I've worked on optimizing her armor more.

    I love how some people are saying "L2P" when stamina NBs are famously weak when involved in a face-to-face PvE fight. I breezed through the Grand Sermonizer quest with my sorceror and dragonknight, but she kept killing my nightblade over and over and over. If my NB had had the Vigor skill, she would have stood a chance, but I shouldn't have to build up Alliance War skills just to get a healing spell that should be included with the NB skill set. :|

    They need to give stamina NBs a decent heal.

    Edited by SydneyGrey on May 7, 2017 8:17PM
  • Daemons_Bane
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    SydneyGrey wrote: »
    I could do most fights with my stamina nightblade, but there were a couple of quest bosses I couldn't do, notably the Grand Sermonizer in the Dark Brotherhood questline. Granted, my character wasn't optimized at the time. I could probably do that fight with my NB now that I've worked on optimizing her armor more.

    I love how some people are saying "L2P" when stamina NBs are famously weak when involved in a face-to-face PvE fight. I breezed through the Grand Sermonizer quest with my sorceror and dragonknight, but she kept killing my nightblade over and over and over. If my NB had had the Vigor skill, she would have stood a chance, but I shouldn't have to build up Alliance War skills just to get a healing spell that should be included with the NB skill set. :|

    They need to give stamina NBs a decent heal.

    I beat that Sermonizer so bad that his ancestors got sore.. Stamblade works just fine :smile: No gold upgrades, no BiS nonsense.. It's quite doable
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    I beat that Sermonizer so bad that his ancestors got sore.. Stamblade works just fine :smile: No gold upgrades, no BiS nonsense.. It's quite doable
    Congrats. My point remains that stamina NBs are still weak in face-to-face PvE fights compared with other classes, and need a better heal ability.
    DocFrost72 wrote: »
    My level 7 nightblade solos worldbosses. It's starter kit is second only to magicka templars. This entirely a player issue, and that is not a dig.
    Well, fights are scaled to your level, so .....



    Edited by SydneyGrey on May 7, 2017 8:23PM
  • Daemons_Bane
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    SydneyGrey wrote: »
    Congrats. My point remains that stamina NBs are still weak in face-to-face PvE fights compared with other classes, and need a better heal ability.

    They don't have their healing morph anymore? That's usually what keeps me alive, along with potions in a pinch..
  • scorpiodog
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    L2P
    Maybe he is in fact trying to L2P - and I would recommend against trying to learn on a nightblade. That's just the facts. It's not a training wheels class.

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    scorpiodog wrote: »
    Maybe he is in fact trying to L2P - and I would recommend against trying to learn on a nightblade. That's just the facts. It's not a training wheels class.

    Yeah, I hate to say it, but @scorpiodog's right. I love the class, but there is almost no margin for error these days.
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    Yes, I agree.

    The warning should read..

    Very addictive and crazy amounts of fun to play.
  • O_LYKOS
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    I've done most content on stam and mag Nightblade without any issues. I'd suggest whatever you're doing, you're doing it wrong. The fact that sorc is stronger than Nightblade is only really relevant, as a whole, when it comes to trials. Solo questing and such, you shouldn't be running in to any trouble.
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  • Bouldercleave
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    vpy wrote: »
    Its pathetic trying to complete quests (especially the Harborage nonsensical quests) as Nightblade whereas it is effing easy in my Sorc.

    For crying out loud, ZOS should have the decency to inform beginners that they should avoid this crap class and instead try leveling a sorc or templar.

    30 hours of time is wasted in this garbage.

    Not sure whether I should be sad for leveling this class or should be happy that I have not invested a whole lot more in this cesspit of a class

    My first two characters are NBs and I leveled them when the game was actually hard. I'm not sure what you are talking about but the solo quests, overland zones, solo delves, and public dungeons are a complete faceroll - no matter what character you play.
  • TheShadowScout
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    I nightblade a lot.

    Magblades are dead easy - just dress in a skirt, grab a stick, and lifedrain everything until its dead, dead, dead. Or just perma-invisibility-sneak past all the trash mobs you don't care about lifedraining. Easy as pie. And works really well with going vamp if I may say so.


    Stamblades are the most difficult of all classes, or so i found... but oh so rewarding when you finally figure them out and Do manage to grab success. Way more rewarding then "easymode" templars or sorcs, or DKs, or so I experienced.

    Yeah, stamblades suck against anything they cannot gank into the ground. They have no "oh crap" skill like the dragonknights GDB, the templars heals or the sorcerors shields, their invisibility is often iffy and never allows them the fight reversal other classes can get from their emergency powers - more often then not, it doesn't even allow them to retreat (except in PvP against noobs).

    Yeah, stamblades are severely deficient in the selfheal sector, especially against tough opponents, since mostly their heals come from killing weak mobs. If you PvP for it, vigor helps a lot... as do the right gear setups (I myself enjoy Baharas Curse, used right it can keep you alive through some hefty fights)

    Yeah, stamblades have litle chance to stand up to a shield-stacking sorceror, selfhealing templar, or overtanked dragonknight in PvP. I felt that one all too keenly. Done my "100 nightblade kills" in PvP back in 2015. Still not reached the 100 kill mark for any other class. They excel at the gank, but in a fair fight they usually loose. Expect to respawn a lot if you dare go into cyrodil, since most experienced PvPlayers will be prepared for ganking attempts. But one can still have fun if you lean how.

    In the end, nightblades have their issues, and are definitely not recommended for beginners, but if you learn how to play them right, they are quite viable, and fun. Or as Meridia says...
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    Yeah, stamblades suck against anything they cannot gank into the ground. They have no "oh crap" skill like the dragonknights GDB, the templars heals or the sorcerors shields, their invisibility is often iffy and never allows them the fight reversal other classes can get from their emergency powers - more often then not, it doesn't even allow them to retreat (except in PvP against noobs).

    Yeah, stamblades are severely deficient in the selfheal sector, especially against tough opponents, since mostly their heals come from killing weak mobs. If you PvP for it, vigor helps a lot... as do the right gear setups (I myself enjoy Baharas Curse, used right it can keep you alive through some hefty fights)

    I know it draws ire from the PvE crowd, but I still say Rally is probably one of the better tools a Stamblade can have squirreled away. It's one of the few skills you can actually turn a fight around with. Also, devouring swarm is a nice option if you've got it.
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