Where Did 1vx Come From? Is It Possible In Other Games?

LeifErickson

This is my first MMO. I didn't know any of the terminology of MMOs when I started playing this one since I hadn't played one before. However, some of the terms that I learned through this game I assumed existed across other MMOs and maybe even other genres. But all of my friends in this game who have played other MMOs said that they hadn't heard of 1vx before they started playing this game and have never played another game where you could kill others solo while you were outnumbered. Is 1vx a term exclusive to this game? Are there other games where 1vx is a valid and possible playstyle?

Kikke

I've heard the term "solo pvp" in previus MMO's, but thats pretty much the same as 1vX.

Any game with open world pvp (Cyrodil is open worl) you will have people doing solo PvP handling what comes his way.
And multiple off these does many 1vX situations. it's just not called that xP

-hope this rambling what a tiny bit helpfull.

Koolio

I used to in DCUO along with animation canceling. It had open world PVP.

Subversus

I come from SWTOR, where the main competitive aspect is measured in 4v4 ranked queue arenas (8v8 is sort of casual). While there were some amazing 1v2-4 plays done by exceptional players, most were done with either

1 - good but unaware or undergeared or simply bad players
2 - already close to death and with no cooldowns left

Outnumbered pvp in that game is absolutely nothing like here because of the long cooldowns the defensives and some burst abilities have. If both opponents have all cooldowns from start then the one that is outnumbered is usually going to get destroyed unless the skillgap is big or the class is broken fotm.

I assume the same applies to today's wow, back when I was playing in vanilla this was most definitely the case. I haven't played any other MMOs though.


Oh yeah SWTOR also has this thing where as a certain class which possesses 2 streak-like abilities on a 10 second cooldown the term 1vX is possible where you basically just hover about a capture point/node/flag and prevent the enemy from capturing it while LoSing and healing away. That's as close as you come to an outnumbered situation though the point is usually to stall until your own team is able to make a move.


And another thing, now that I see you mention other genres. I am an avid online FPS player, as I basically grew up with quake and unreal tournament, and I can absolutely confirm that "1vX" is absolutely possible there. It's such a rush when you're left alone against 5 guys hiding on the map and you win the round by outplaying and outaiming

Publius_Scipio

Call of Duty for sure.

zyk

In any game with a competitive scene, players who play in good clans/guilds can destroy random players on public servers. My view is that it is rather distasteful to seek out such fights and is a form of stroking one's... ego.

In ESO, I think the only 1vX or YvX that is actually interesting is in the defense of objectives or perhaps something like wiping a gank group. I think the practice of kiting randoms from the lane until the right X is achieved and executing a contrived routine is pretty lame and why I am so critical of some communities here.

Defending a keep against an organized group with a few randoms is true glory!

Prince_of_all_Pugs

short answer: SYPHER
Long answer: RUNESCAPE

Sanct16

It is definetly possible in many other games when a very experienced player fights against multiple bad enemies. However in most games you have some kind of competitive scene in which strong players/teams play against each other and winning a 1v4 against noobs isn't considered something special.

In ESO there really is no ranked XvX mode so the way to measure "skill" is to compare how many noobs you can slay.

Rohamad_Ali

zyk wrote: »

In any game with a competitive scene, players who play in good clans/guilds can destroy random players on public servers. My view is that it is rather distasteful to seek out such fights and is a form of stroking one's... ego.

In ESO, I think the only 1vX or YvX that is actually interesting is in the defense of objectives or perhaps something like wiping a gank group. I think the practice of kiting randoms from the lane until the right X is achieved and executing a contrived routine is pretty lame and why I am so critical of some communities here.

Defending a keep against an organized group with a few randoms is true glory!

Pretty much this statement here . Coming from other MMO PVP guilds , this game main streams and attracts players that would not make it in those high end PVP clans . The games lack of balance shows it is really bad when it can even occur . A lack of segregation from level variables and a lazy equipment design team can wreck a PVP game completely . I was talking with a friend from a top ranked PVP guild that left swtor a long time ago and mentioned eso . He would not come here with his clan if ZoS paid him . Games that require teamwork for survival attract a different audience then this game . The amount of exploits and the way the game lacked any initial protection from CE was a big turn off for many people that exclusively PVP . How many years has this game had a bugged gear set that could be exploited or a ability that unintentionally stacked with another passive it shouldn't ? I think eso PVP survives only because it has good graphics compared to other MMO PVP games , not because of functionality .

Most_Awesome

From SWTOR, GW2, TSW, No its not possible, 1v2 yes if you are good or you sort of gank players 1v1 out of zergs but if more than 2 go against you they would have to be way under level and have not the correct gear on or something.
This is the only mmo Ive played where players can go 1vX not because the other players are bad but due to rng mechanics and the due to the massive amount of builds possible.

But saying that, most other mmo's have gear sets that are more balanced i.e in swtor if two players with same skill but one has standard pvp gear on and other player has min maxed, then the min maxed player should win all the time but would still be able to lose if the other player was better. In ESO you could have a magic users in Light amrour with like 1400 spell damage vs some one with 3k spell damage who will hit hell of a lot harder and heal a lot better and would probably 1 shot the other person with no hope of ever losing.

Takllin

kikkehs wrote: »

I've heard the term "solo pvp" in previus MMO's, but thats pretty much the same as 1vX.

Any game with open world pvp (Cyrodil is open worl) you will have people doing solo PvP handling what comes his way.
And multiple off these does many 1vX situations. it's just not called that xP

-hope this rambling what a tiny bit helpfull.

I agree with this. Maybe not in the same style as ESO but plenty of times in WoW early days even people would kill varying numbers of enemy players. It just didn't have a name.

CatchMeTrolling

One of the first times I've seen 1vxing was in WOW from a hunter so yeah it exists & can be more skillful in other games.

Satiar

I remember playing RoM back when and 1vXing 40 people at once because my gear was so much better I could 1shot them at max range and tyi r damage couldn't even tickle.

That was my last P2W MMO lol

Sylphie

I previously played Guild Wars 2 which had a WvW mode similarly to ESO's cyrodil. The term 1vX was applied there but it was more called "solo roaming" back when I played. 1vXing in GW2 was also imo considerably harder because you didn't have access to resources (except on 1 class), thus you had to manage your cooldowns, which included dodges.

Those that did 1vX however did so with extremely catered build which were often called cheese since they under performed in the structured pvp arenas, which most people considered real pvp.

This was awhile ago so a lot has probably changed.

WhiteMage

In a game that has well-balanced combat centered around high TTK, it is not possible. ESO has a very low, and not necessarily by design, TTK (not Call of Duty low, but close) so you are able to dive in for a kill, dip out to recover, then dive in for another kill when CDs are up etc.

I came from LotRO before ESO and the measure of skill there was 1v1s. There was no term for 1vX, though it was possible at various times by various classes under certain conditions that were inherently unbalanced. Most of the time when you encountered more than 1 opponent alone you ran away, but a high ranked player (not insignificant stat increases were tied to ranks) could kill 2 or three low ranked players without too much trouble, if the conditions were right.

In ESO, the ability of players to 1vX showcases the power creep inherent in our uncapped combat system. It's not really a good sign.

kevlarto_ESO

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

zyk wrote: »

In any game with a competitive scene, players who play in good clans/guilds can destroy random players on public servers. My view is that it is rather distasteful to seek out such fights and is a form of stroking one's... ego.

In ESO, I think the only 1vX or YvX that is actually interesting is in the defense of objectives or perhaps something like wiping a gank group. I think the practice of kiting randoms from the lane until the right X is achieved and executing a contrived routine is pretty lame and why I am so critical of some communities here.

Defending a keep against an organized group with a few randoms is true glory!

Pretty much this statement here . Coming from other MMO PVP guilds , this game main streams and attracts players that would not make it in those high end PVP clans . The games lack of balance shows it is really bad when it can even occur . A lack of segregation from level variables and a lazy equipment design team can wreck a PVP game completely . I was talking with a friend from a top ranked PVP guild that left swtor a long time ago and mentioned eso . He would not come here with his clan if ZoS paid him . Games that require teamwork for survival attract a different audience then this game . The amount of exploits and the way the game lacked any initial protection from CE was a big turn off for many people that exclusively PVP . How many years has this game had a bugged gear set that could be exploited or a ability that unintentionally stacked with another passive it shouldn't ? I think eso PVP survives only because it has good graphics compared to other MMO PVP games , not because of functionality .

I agree^^^, there is one rule to all pvp both sides of the keyboard need to have fun, when one side is not they stop playing. Players that cheat and dominate all the time over the average legit player is not doing anything but ruining their own game play in the long run, when they find they have no one left to fight.

I have played many mmo's for many years, and other online games Moba's, Shooters etc etc, this whole desire to solo in massively multiplayer online games has only been around a short time now, you never heard anything about solo in the older mmo's or games that were more clan based pvp, I do not know if this is a by product of console gamers, there is a new breed of gamers that never got to experience the older games in their primes, is it a post wow thing ? I am sure there are lots of theories.

I was in a game store a few weeks back there were three people looking at ESO and talking about it, none of them had anything positive to say, they talked about all the cheating they heard about from friends that play it, I did speak up and told them of a few positive things, but in the end none one them said they would play the game. Bad word of mouth is not good Mkay:)

Rohamad_Ali

kevlarto_ESO wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

zyk wrote: »

In any game with a competitive scene, players who play in good clans/guilds can destroy random players on public servers. My view is that it is rather distasteful to seek out such fights and is a form of stroking one's... ego.

In ESO, I think the only 1vX or YvX that is actually interesting is in the defense of objectives or perhaps something like wiping a gank group. I think the practice of kiting randoms from the lane until the right X is achieved and executing a contrived routine is pretty lame and why I am so critical of some communities here.

Defending a keep against an organized group with a few randoms is true glory!

Pretty much this statement here . Coming from other MMO PVP guilds , this game main streams and attracts players that would not make it in those high end PVP clans . The games lack of balance shows it is really bad when it can even occur . A lack of segregation from level variables and a lazy equipment design team can wreck a PVP game completely . I was talking with a friend from a top ranked PVP guild that left swtor a long time ago and mentioned eso . He would not come here with his clan if ZoS paid him . Games that require teamwork for survival attract a different audience then this game . The amount of exploits and the way the game lacked any initial protection from CE was a big turn off for many people that exclusively PVP . How many years has this game had a bugged gear set that could be exploited or a ability that unintentionally stacked with another passive it shouldn't ? I think eso PVP survives only because it has good graphics compared to other MMO PVP games , not because of functionality .

I agree^^^, there is one rule to all pvp both sides of the keyboard need to have fun, when one side is not they stop playing. Players that cheat and dominate all the time over the average legit player is not doing anything but ruining their own game play in the long run, when they find they have no one left to fight.

I have played many mmo's for many years, and other online games Moba's, Shooters etc etc, this whole desire to solo in massively multiplayer online games has only been around a short time now, you never heard anything about solo in the older mmo's or games that were more clan based pvp, I do not know if this is a by product of console gamers, there is a new breed of gamers that never got to experience the older games in their primes, is it a post wow thing ? I am sure there are lots of theories.

I was in a game store a few weeks back there were three people looking at ESO and talking about it, none of them had anything positive to say, they talked about all the cheating they heard about from friends that play it, I did speak up and told them of a few positive things, but in the end none one them said they would play the game. Bad word of mouth is not good Mkay:)

I'm guessing numbers but around launch we had what like a couple thousand people pvping ? Look at the numbers now and you will see this already happened on PC . Console is the saving grace of PVP in eso . If there was no console launch , PVP would of became more of an after thought then it already is .

olsborg

The first "real" mmo, ultima online, you had 1vX there.

Takllin

WhiteMage wrote: »

In a game that has well-balanced combat centered around high TTK, it is not possible. ESO has a very low, and not necessarily by design, TTK (not Call of Duty low, but close) so you are able to dive in for a kill, dip out to recover, then dive in for another kill when CDs are up etc.

I came from LotRO before ESO and the measure of skill there was 1v1s. There was no term for 1vX, though it was possible at various times by various classes under certain conditions that were inherently unbalanced. Most of the time when you encountered more than 1 opponent alone you ran away, but a high ranked player (not insignificant stat increases were tied to ranks) could kill 2 or three low ranked players without too much trouble, if the conditions were right.

In ESO, the ability of players to 1vX showcases the power creep inherent in our uncapped combat system. It's not really a good sign.

I disagree. I think the ability of players to 1vX showcases the skill level difference between said players. There's nothing in ESO outside Emperor that grants you special stats/abilities that other players don't have access to. That you use the correct ones and at the right time in the right situations should set you apart from others who don't even in outnumbered scenarios.

zyk

olsborg wrote: »

The first "real" mmo, ultima online, you had 1vX there.

DSO and Meridian 59 were real too. So were DikuMUDs, MUDs, MOOs, MUSEs and MUSHes. TrekMUSE had a 3D space combat sim in textmode that was *incredible*. One needed exceptional math skills to be good at it. At least when it was new.

NBrookus

Takllin wrote: »

WhiteMage wrote: »

In a game that has well-balanced combat centered around high TTK, it is not possible. ESO has a very low, and not necessarily by design, TTK (not Call of Duty low, but close) so you are able to dive in for a kill, dip out to recover, then dive in for another kill when CDs are up etc.

I came from LotRO before ESO and the measure of skill there was 1v1s. There was no term for 1vX, though it was possible at various times by various classes under certain conditions that were inherently unbalanced. Most of the time when you encountered more than 1 opponent alone you ran away, but a high ranked player (not insignificant stat increases were tied to ranks) could kill 2 or three low ranked players without too much trouble, if the conditions were right.

In ESO, the ability of players to 1vX showcases the power creep inherent in our uncapped combat system. It's not really a good sign.

I disagree. I think the ability of players to 1vX showcases the skill level difference between said players. There's nothing in ESO outside Emperor that grants you special stats/abilities that other players don't have access to. That you use the correct ones and at the right time in the right situations should set you apart from others who don't even in outnumbered scenarios.

This is true sometimes, but in many of the 1vX videos the opponents are low CP, newbies to pvp or even non-vets. Not because you can't 1vX leveled/ranked characters, but because the flashy quick domination kills make for more exciting video.

Takllin

NBrookus wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

WhiteMage wrote: »

In a game that has well-balanced combat centered around high TTK, it is not possible. ESO has a very low, and not necessarily by design, TTK (not Call of Duty low, but close) so you are able to dive in for a kill, dip out to recover, then dive in for another kill when CDs are up etc.

I came from LotRO before ESO and the measure of skill there was 1v1s. There was no term for 1vX, though it was possible at various times by various classes under certain conditions that were inherently unbalanced. Most of the time when you encountered more than 1 opponent alone you ran away, but a high ranked player (not insignificant stat increases were tied to ranks) could kill 2 or three low ranked players without too much trouble, if the conditions were right.

In ESO, the ability of players to 1vX showcases the power creep inherent in our uncapped combat system. It's not really a good sign.

I disagree. I think the ability of players to 1vX showcases the skill level difference between said players. There's nothing in ESO outside Emperor that grants you special stats/abilities that other players don't have access to. That you use the correct ones and at the right time in the right situations should set you apart from others who don't even in outnumbered scenarios.

This is true sometimes, but in many of the 1vX videos the opponents are low CP, newbies to pvp or even non-vets. Not because you can't 1vX leveled/ranked characters, but because the flashy quick domination kills make for more exciting video.

Yeah that's how it happens a lot of the time.

zuto40

in another game i played 1vX was possible but extremely difficult because you controlled 4 characters, 3 companions and then your own character, so for each enemy added you actually added 4, so itd be a 4vs8 4vs12, 4vs16, and in each fight you had a limited number of abilities you could use so once they ran out you were pretty much screwed, and it didnt help the other team had double, triple, or quadruple your abilities, 1vXing in that game is definitely more impressive then here and the people that can do it are top pvpers and have been remembered years after their leaving of the game

DisgracefulMind

I have a few friends that play other MMOs and they have told me that ESO's PvP community is widely known as being highly unfriendly and unwelcoming. Have heard a lot of that has to do with the "1vX" idealism in PvP here. I don't know if that's accurate as this is the only MMO I have ever played myself, but I can see where it could hold true in some cases.

zyk

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

I have a few friends that play other MMOs and they have told me that ESO's PvP community is widely known as being highly unfriendly and unwelcoming. Have heard a lot of that has to do with the "1vX" idealism in PvP here. I don't know if that's accurate as this is the only MMO I have ever played myself, but I can see where it could hold true in some cases.

This scene is ghetto. Competitive PVP players want to fight competitive PVP players, not farm casuals. Not to mention the fact that known cheaters are welcomed back with open arms. Chiefly among butterflies.

LeifErickson

zyk wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

I have a few friends that play other MMOs and they have told me that ESO's PvP community is widely known as being highly unfriendly and unwelcoming. Have heard a lot of that has to do with the "1vX" idealism in PvP here. I don't know if that's accurate as this is the only MMO I have ever played myself, but I can see where it could hold true in some cases.

This scene is ghetto. Competitive PVP players want to fight competitive PVP players, not farm casuals. Not to mention the fact that known cheaters are welcomed back with open arms. Chiefly among butterflies.

Dang that pun though. Made me laugh!

Etaniel

1vX isn't the showcase of one's skill, but rather the showcase of the X's lack of skill/knowledge of the game.

I used to get 1vXed back at launch and I have a high esteem for those who understood the mechanics and who mastered the game that much faster than me. They are the ones who motivated me to better myself.

In this game people in a 5 man group will get stomped by a solo player and they won't question their play but will rather call him/her a cheater and create this falsehood in their minds. In what world could 1 dude beat up 5?? In the world where you don't know squat about the game you're playing.

And I have no clue how the X manage to whine and rage so much, I mean they already have the numerical advantage so that means they don't need to become as good as the solo to defeat him. There's a lot of room for improvement.

Derra

I used to solo pvp in every game i´ve played so far.

In open world games this leads inevitably to situations where you get outnumbered. 1vX is just an eso term for something that´s been happening ever since i can think of playing.

zyk

Derra wrote: »

I used to solo pvp in every game i´ve played so far.

In open world games this leads inevitably to situations where you get outnumbered. 1vX is just an eso term for something that´s been happening ever since i can think of playing.

It can happen in any game in which one can be outnumbered.

The difference is that in most games it's not anything special to be a top player and wreck noobs. Like, it's normal in an FPS for two clan players to dominate a public server np. Sometimes one guy. It's just not noteworthy at all.

When several players from the same good clan join one side on a pub vs randoms, it's generally considered to be lame and will probably just kill the server until they leave.

I have no idea why it's so popular here.

Turelus

ESO was the first time I have seen it.

EVE Online we just say solo PvP, other games I never followed the forums as much because they made my heard hurt.

NightbladeMechanics

It came from Khnarg making an account.