PTS Patch Notes v3.0.2

lunalitetempler

Zennimax I love you!

bubbygink

I don't hate it actually. As a PvPer I am quite happy with the direction ZoS is going because the unlimited sustain + tanky + still high burst damage builds are annoying. There is currently no trade-off. These changes should force players to make hard choices about what they want their builds to achieve. If you want to sustain you will have to be in light/medium and may not burst as well, if you want to be tanky you'll want to be in heavy but your sustain and burst will be lower, etc.

That being said, I am disappointing with some of the class specific changes. The one that really jumps out to be is Dark Deal. I really cannot fathom why this skill hasn't been nerfed along with all the other class sustain skills. Additionally, as a Magblade, I appreciate ZoS listening to our complaints about how Siphoning Attacks was practically unslotable with the original PTS changes. I'm glad it has been changed and actually think it sounds pretty interesting - a resource restoring rally type skill (literally like rally because it heals now too). However, I implore ZoS to revert the duel magicka + stamina restore on the skill - it is core to Magblade play.

One last point I'd like to make is that I think proc sets need to be further nerfed. Otherwise they will allow the exact high sustain + tankiness + bursty builds I discussed above to remain. Right now in Azuras procs are already king because it is a way to build up burst without having to build max stats and because many are in light/medium and can be instantly "proced" down. I hope ZoS takes a look at these as I believe they will over perform in battlegrounds in particular.

Instant

Prive wrote: »

wrote:

Sorcerer

• Dark Magic
  • Crystal Fragments (Crystal Shard morph): Reduced the damage bonus of this morph’s instant-cast proc to 10% from 20%.
    Developer Comments:
    Sorcerer’s sustained damage in PvE and burst damage in PvP is currently too high, so reducing the damage bonus from Crystal Fragments brings them down slightly in both areas without being too punishing to the overall damage kit.

If you would play your own game, you would know that there will be 0 sorcs running crystal frags in PVE

Nothing will change lol

F7sus4

Orbital wrote: »

WHY
YOU MADE THE HEAVY ATTACK META
NOW YOU NERF HEAVY ATTACK
WTF

Come on. It's completely obvious they weren't really aware of heavy-attack builds and therefore no heavy-attack meta was ever intended. It was just a side effect of badly implemented mechanics.

DerpyShadowz wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

So leeching strikes has a duration of 20s, so when you kinda need better sustain you have to wait 20s for this to give back resources, since you also reduced the resource you get per light/heavy atk? How is this good in any way....I fail to see it.

and can be activated when you are near-empty on resources.

Maybe bad wording but it seems you can activate it to get the resource chunk from it? Not 100% sure how this works as this could technically be spammed to gain magicka if thats the case. Wont know for certain till the PTS is live.

Even if it worked that way it wouldn't be something really terrible as we're interrupting DPS rota long enough to screw any DPS parse. Dark Exchange/Dark Deal works really similar in that matter. I'm also pretty sure that increased gain was mentioned in last ESOlive so the longer you wait for Siphoning Attacks to shot off the more resources you'll get and vice versa - you can reactivate it earlier for smaller gain. We'll see soon on PTS.

Juhasow wrote: »

With 45% uptime of Major Slayer (if You're using soul harvest) nb can be actually in good position after update. Cheap ultimates can be nice especially nb ulti that also gives 20% dmg buff. Also about Grim Focus They said they may tweak it not that they'll tweak it for sure.

Exactly the same idea came across my mind. It applies to any class virtually spamming low-cost Ultimates (Nightblade's Soul harvest or Templar's Sweep or Warden's Secluded Grove).

Anhedonie

DK? What DK? I have no idea what are you talking about.

SanSan

I like the grim focus change....Ohhh wait...

lunalitetempler

So when will the server be up? Getting BG withdrawal's.

Autolycus

I'm looking forward to testing some of these new tweaks. I won't be able to go in and actively test it until later when I'm off work, but I noticed that there is still no note pertaining to NB's Grim Focus.

I suspect that the team is actively working on a solution to this ability's constraints given that it's been mentioned a few times. Is the problem that you guys don't want to remove the global cooldown restrictions on it? Do you guys want to keep it so that we have to dedicate two GCDs to keep it active?

If that's the case, then I suggest adding some form of group utility to the skill. The Minor Berserk is a pvp niche only... in a group setting pve this Minor buff is virtually useless most of the time (with slightly higher up time than Combat Prayer). What we need is a Minor buff that affects the whole group. Adding something to this skill that benefits the whole group would have a monumental impact on the viability of NBs in trials. Of course, there are other implications to consider as well. I haven't tested NB dps in some of the new trials sets still, such as the Architect set.

SodanTok

What? They havent reverted all the changes I dont like or inserted those I suggested? Riot.

Eweroun

Nifty2g wrote: »

lmao heavy attack nerf, seen that one coming. such a joke

offcourse man, no one did light attacks anymore.. next update they will make LA stronger

GhostyBrycicle

Never Forgetti Rest in Spaghetti

Cloudless

Shad0wfire99 wrote: »

People are upset because they actually give a ***, which, whether you know it or not, is exactly what you want. Once people stop giving a ***, they'll be silent, and you and everyone else that doesn't give a *** will be playing the game by yourselves. So, how 'bout you just stop telling people how they should react, and just go play the game that you seem to want nobody else to care about?

"I rage because I care". That's going to help so much.

Xvorg

Juhasow wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

so NB grim focus still not touched....nb will be still on bottom dps because of lack good damage in his skills lol with still removed bonus to attacks from stealth...I dont see future for this class in pve dps and open fights outside gank except just few players on server who have mastered this class

With 45% uptime of Major Slayer (if You're using soul harvest) nb can be actually in good position after update. Cheap ultimates can be nice especially nb ulti that also gives 20% dmg buff. Also about Grim Focus They said they may tweak it not that they'll tweak it for sure.

Major Slayer?

Durham

lol elder heavy casting scrolls is the new game please enjoy...

Sabbathius

I hope you guys are working hard on NBs, and extra hard on DKs, and that is why DKs are absent from these patch notes. Because if you well and truly think these classes don't require massive and immediate changes...well...you're completely out of touch with reality.

Izaki

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Only 20% less splash dmg from thaum

olsborg wrote: »

So leeching strikes has a duration of 20s, so when you kinda need better sustain you have to wait 20s for this to give back resources, since you also reduced the resource you get per light/heavy atk? How is this good in any way....I fail to see it.

Its just terrible.

Lum1on

Cloudless wrote: »

Came to read the patch notes, tried hard not to read the users' comments, failed. You people should really, really stop whining over every single change, every single time. How about you start asking yourselves how to cope with those changes and still pull off a viable character, instead? (and no, "it's impossible" isn't going to work as an answer, that's just an excuse to keep acting like crybabies).
I'm pretty sure no one at ZOS tweaks the game out of nothing but the sheer pleasure of inflicting suffering and woe upon the playerbase - and yet I see time and time again players thinking exactly that. I'm honestly surprised @ZOS_GinaBruno hasn't had a burnout yet from getting this kind of crap every single time.

It's the same thing over and over again when people express theirselves over the Internet when they are getting/reading/hearing something they don't personally like. And it's funny how all the negative feedback that ZOS gets from the forums is supported by other players, but all the positive changes we're saying about the changes has zero impact on anyone. Nothing you can do about it - and it sure makes me sad.

But hey, I like the natch potes! And I can't wait to finally test the EU copied characters and put them to a real test.

Grunim

Delve daily quests acquired from Bolgrul in the Undaunted now award significantly more reputation.

Glad this is being buffed since 5 reputation is a very small amount. I wonder if significantly means 10 reputation instead of 5?

Durham

Right now the stam DK stam synergy is completely broken ... with the stacking nerfs ... and boosting of defile enjoy your dirt naps... this class is DOA ....
I currently get destroyed by the same builds and people I can beat on live... its not even close

F7sus4

Xvorg wrote: »

Major Slayer?

Yes. From both Magicka and Stamina versions of the new Trials sets.

Onefrkncrzypope

Looking at your patch notes, I have a pretty fair question for y'all ZoS. Could y'all just explain why every class was outperforming Sorc. The other classes​ had major reworks to bring their sustain into line but not sorcs. I just want to know why. If there is a good explanation I will be fine with it but dark deal is starting to look over tuned and sorcs are probably going to be way out of balance next patch in PvP and PvE. I know y'all are busy but please.

Armann

Buffs and nerfs should be based on peoples feelings, not facts and data. You need to nerf sorcs more, that is justice.

Sandman929

bubbygink wrote: »

I don't hate it actually. As a PvPer I am quite happy with the direction ZoS is going because the unlimited sustain + tanky + still high burst damage builds are annoying. There is currently no trade-off. These changes should force players to make hard choices about what they want their builds to achieve. If you want to sustain you will have to be in light/medium and may not burst as well, if you want to be tanky you'll want to be in heavy but your sustain and burst will be lower, etc.

That being said, I am disappointing with some of the class specific changes. The one that really jumps out to be is Dark Deal. I really cannot fathom why this skill hasn't been nerfed along with all the other class sustain skills. Additionally, as a Magblade, I appreciate ZoS listening to our complaints about how Siphoning Attacks was practically unslotable with the original PTS changes. I'm glad it has been changed and actually think it sounds pretty interesting - a resource restoring rally type skill (literally like rally because it heals now too). However, I implore ZoS to revert the duel magicka + stamina restore on the skill - it is core to Magblade play.

One last point I'd like to make is that I think proc sets need to be further nerfed. Otherwise they will allow the exact high sustain + tankiness + bursty builds I discussed above to remain. Right now in Azuras procs are already king because it is a way to build up burst without having to build max stats and because many are in light/medium and can be instantly "proced" down. I hope ZoS takes a look at these as I believe they will over perform in battlegrounds in particular.

My main complaint with the changes is that with ZOS they either do nothing, or way too much all at once...and whatever chaos that follows won't be addressed for 3-4 months.
I agree with everything you said about there currently being nothing sacrificed for everything gained, though.

Also, Dark Deal...yeah it's crazy. My stam sorc currently is in 5 heavy, 2 medium, completely stacked into damage...I don't even have a single CP in cost reduction or sustain and I have no problems with resources because of Dark Deal (and it helps that I can stack more CP into Tenacity).
Stam Sorc is the only class that has taken zero hits to resource management in this update.

Akselmo

I feel terribly sorry to anyone who has to moderate these threads.

luen79rwb17_ESO

Goddammit lightning staff nerfed once again

Shader_Shibes

Grunim wrote: »

Delve daily quests acquired from Bolgrul in the Undaunted now award significantly more reputation.

Glad this is being buffed since 5 reputation is a very small amount. I wonder if significantly means 10 reputation instead of 5?

Will be a buff if you have max undaunted, a nerf if not.

Lithium Flower

Restore Templar Major Mending bonus to Channelled Focus. Ritual can keep Minor Mending. Balances out both abilities more evenly.

Give minor Stamina-Steal to Repentance.

Nothing at all for DKs?

Sorry, try again.

ZoM_Head

bubbygink wrote: »

I don't hate it actually. As a PvPer I am quite happy with the direction ZoS is going because the unlimited sustain + tanky + still high burst damage builds are annoying. There is currently no trade-off. These changes should force players to make hard choices about what they want their builds to achieve. If you want to sustain you will have to be in light/medium and may not burst as well, if you want to be tanky you'll want to be in heavy but your sustain and burst will be lower, etc.

That being said, I am disappointing with some of the class specific changes. The one that really jumps out to be is Dark Deal. I really cannot fathom why this skill hasn't been nerfed along with all the other class sustain skills. Additionally, as a Magblade, I appreciate ZoS listening to our complaints about how Siphoning Attacks was practically unslotable with the original PTS changes. I'm glad it has been changed and actually think it sounds pretty interesting - a resource restoring rally type skill (literally like rally because it heals now too). However, I implore ZoS to revert the duel magicka + stamina restore on the skill - it is core to Magblade play.

One last point I'd like to make is that I think proc sets need to be further nerfed. Otherwise they will allow the exact high sustain + tankiness + bursty builds I discussed above to remain. Right now in Azuras procs are already king because it is a way to build up burst without having to build max stats and because many are in light/medium and can be instantly "proced" down. I hope ZoS takes a look at these as I believe they will over perform in battlegrounds in particular.

The unlimited sustain, tanky and high burst does not apply to a magicka DK since imperial city though.

Xvorg

F7sus4 wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Major Slayer?

Yes. From both Magicka and Stamina versions of the new Trials sets.

So, besides learning to play the class again due to the changes to siph, you need to purchase morowind to have the chance to farm the sets that will put you in good position for playing the class?

Well done ZoS, your marketing staff has done a great move. If you are NB, the only way to play and win is to pay for new content.

p2w...

I'll still try again NB for the first weeks after release, but I'm afraid I'll end up leaving the game...

Shad0wfire99

Cloudless wrote: »

Shad0wfire99 wrote: »

People are upset because they actually give a ***, which, whether you know it or not, is exactly what you want. Once people stop giving a ***, they'll be silent, and you and everyone else that doesn't give a *** will be playing the game by yourselves. So, how 'bout you just stop telling people how they should react, and just go play the game that you seem to want nobody else to care about?

"I rage because I care". That's going to help so much.

Telling angry people to shut up is going to help more?