Elder Scrolls Online's visual clutter needs to go

AlexanderDeLarge

The visual telegraphs (red circles) blend in with the environments and in hectic scenarios such as trial groups (pictured above), this game is an eyesore and it's confusing. Even with the stock UI and the minimum particle effects, it's bad.

The Warden's abilities are a step in the right direction but I really hope THIS ^ isn't a thing by the end of the year. This was a thread a while back and it seems like they're going in the right direction but some dramatic changes still need to happen with the existing classes. It's difficult to look at, understand and it results in a lot of *** deaths when you can't see the "red zones" (which are are transparent to the point where they're practically invisible in a lot of environments) and the screen is so busy you can't even see the "telegraph" animation of the thing you're trying to kill.



Imagine that with twelve people using combat abilities in addition to auras. Even with minimal particle effects, it's a problem. Only reason the telegraph is visible is because there's no crazy action and the water makes the red extremely visible. Otherwise it blends in with the terrain. This game has a visual overload problem and it's an extremely common complaint that the transparent red telegraphs aren't very visible.

Compare it to something like Wildstar. Even Final Fantasy XIV has them more visible.







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AzraelKrieg

You're complaining about addons taking the screen? Really?

Taylor_MB

Where's the Power of the Light blocking 75% of your screen with a green tornado?

Your screenshot though, isn't *too bad* if you remove FTC scrolling text, I think it looks pretty epic. Most skills are perfectly fine, it's more recent additions like Destro Ult and monsters helms like Illambris that are the worst.

Turelus

I know this mostly came up the last time the image was posted but.

1. Don't use first person.
2. Don't use so many add-ons if you don't actually need what they're saying.

Whilst the game is heavy on visual this screenshot isn't an example of every single fight and rarely is the whole floor/screen covered so much you can't see red/boss animations.

Kram8ion

Lol addon junkies
BLOCK NOW!

AlexanderDeLarge

Turelus wrote: »

I know this mostly came up the last time the image was posted but.

1. Don't use first person.
2. Don't use so many add-ons if you don't actually need what they're saying.

Whilst the game is heavy on visual this screenshot isn't an example of every single fight and rarely is the whole floor/screen covered so much you can't see red/boss animations.

It's representative of end-game trials. As for the telegraphs, they really should be a hell of a lot more visible than this. Imagine this exact environment with 12 people casting a dozen abilities in addition to sorc auras and a bunch of other visual effects clogging up the screen. Good luck seeing those telegraphs.

WuffyCerulei

That's just a shear amount of addon UI. The actual ESO UI is just the skill bar, compass, and that health bar under the compass.

AlexanderDeLarge

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

That's just a shear amount of addon UI. The actual ESO UI is just the skill bar, compass, and that health bar under the compass.

Not my screenshot and not my addons. The amount of particle effects and bloom and the transparencies of the telegraphs don't mesh well and it doesn't look good and it results in a lot of deaths where people can genuinely blame the game Imagine that second screenshot with twelve people's abilities going off. Including sorc auras.

It's a problem that needs to be addressed. Warden is a step in the right direction.

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

You're complaining about addons taking the screen? Really?

Is that a joke or do you really think my post was about addons clogging up the screen? It's the bloom, the particle effects and the inability to comprehend anything.

WuffyCerulei

I think that pic's rather old. I recognize most of the names there, and one of em hasn't played in ages.

AzraelKrieg

If you don't like the particle effects, turn them off.

AlexanderDeLarge

It's old but it's still representative of a trial group or a large PVP skirmish.

Sneaky-Snurr

STOP.. using the word cancer.

You people use that word ever so lightly to describe your irrelevant distaste on a few things and I find it heartless of you to even consider using that word. Can't you find other alternatives? Surely the dictionary can provide you a few if not many.
This community sickens me.

But back on topic, I agree that destro ulti needs to either be toned down or replaced. It is just too potent as it is now and is an AoE ulti that is a must-have as a mag build.

agelonestar

Please, whatever you like or don't like about the game, stop using the word "cancer" to describe it.

Maybe learn a new word? Or failing that, go meet someone who has cancer.

dday3six

Sneaky-Snurr wrote: »

STOP.. using the word cancer.

You people use that word ever so lightly to describe your irrelevant distaste on a few things and I find it heartless of you to even consider using that word. Can't you find other alternatives? Surely the dictionary can provide you a few if not many.
This community sickens me.

But back on topic, I agree that destro ulti needs to either be toned down or replaced. It is just too potent as it is now and is an AoE ulti that is a must-have as a mag build.

Perhaps you'd prefer the other popular stand by ...AIDS...

Truth is though both are used ironically, the comparisons aren't actually as bad as either and that's the joke.

Turelus

dday3six wrote: »

Sneaky-Snurr wrote: »

STOP.. using the word cancer.

You people use that word ever so lightly to describe your irrelevant distaste on a few things and I find it heartless of you to even consider using that word. Can't you find other alternatives? Surely the dictionary can provide you a few if not many.
This community sickens me.

But back on topic, I agree that destro ulti needs to either be toned down or replaced. It is just too potent as it is now and is an AoE ulti that is a must-have as a mag build.

Perhaps you'd prefer the other popular stand by ...AIDS...

Truth is though both are used ironically, the comparisons aren't actually as bad as either and that's the joke.

Back in my day we just said something was poop.

Damn kids and their need to go beyond poop.

SHADOW2KK

Turelus wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

Sneaky-Snurr wrote: »

STOP.. using the word cancer.

You people use that word ever so lightly to describe your irrelevant distaste on a few things and I find it heartless of you to even consider using that word. Can't you find other alternatives? Surely the dictionary can provide you a few if not many.
This community sickens me.

But back on topic, I agree that destro ulti needs to either be toned down or replaced. It is just too potent as it is now and is an AoE ulti that is a must-have as a mag build.

Perhaps you'd prefer the other popular stand by ...AIDS...

Truth is though both are used ironically, the comparisons aren't actually as bad as either and that's the joke.

Back in my day we just said something was poop.

Damn kids and their need to go beyond poop.

Many of the playerbase love following the crowd like sheep and like using terms like "cancer" etc without thinking of the implications of real life sufferers of the condition, yet they feel the need to appear "cool" to fit in with the crowd.

Pathetic.

Banana

I get rid of all that scrolling crap. At least then you have the centre of the screen *** free.

pattyLtd

I do think that lowering the amount of special effects from abilities would greatly improve performance in trials.
It always felt like the overkill of special effects caused extreme lag in certain scenario's especially in SO (with the lighting bolts etc).

But I base that on nothing but assumption so might be completely wrong.
Sometimes it's all a bit to much and goes from wow that looks cool too annoying very quickly.

Saturnana

Sneaky-Snurr wrote: »

STOP.. using the word cancer.

You people use that word ever so lightly to describe your irrelevant distaste on a few things and I find it heartless of you to even consider using that word. Can't you find other alternatives? Surely the dictionary can provide you a few if not many.
This community sickens me.

But back on topic, I agree that destro ulti needs to either be toned down or replaced. It is just too potent as it is now and is an AoE ulti that is a must-have as a mag build.

This.
Where I'm from, cancer as a swear-word is rude beyond compare and if you happen to utter this on the bus, on the street, in the supermarket, or any other place for that matter, even a total stranger will call you out on your inconsiderate use of the word. The fact that people online just throw it around astonishes me..

Tiitus

AlexanderDeLarge wrote: »

The Warden's visual effects are a step in the right direction but I really hope THIS ^ isn't a thing by the end of the year. This was a thread a while back and it seems like they're going in the right direction but some dramatic changes still need to happen with the existing classes. It's difficult to look at, understand and it results in a lot of *** deaths when you can't see the "red zones" (which are are transparent to the point where they're practically invisible in a lot of environments) and the screen is so busy you can't even see the "telegraph" animation of the thing you're trying to kill.

first, if you dnt like all the effects turn them off that way i can play my way and you an play yours, dont try force ppl to play your way because you dnt like something especially when you have an option to turn it off...

second, you would choose a picture from a Tank perspective..... since the beginning of mmos they've been forced into a corner of some boss room with a crappy camera view and spell animation all up in their faces.

the image below is what the majority of the player will see.

Sigma957

You can tone down the particle effects in settings on the pc, don't know about consoles.

Beardimus

To be honest, I wish the mods would just lock every thread using the word. It is offensive to many and there is no need to use it. You wouldn't say it in the work place, you couldn't say it at school without being repremanded and you certainly wouldn't say it in public without getting punched. Thus why the MMO community think its OK to use via a Keyboard I don't know.

Secondly, so glad Consoles don't have add ON's, could not handle screens like that

Third can't stand trials mainly as the game play is so dull and its all just flashing lights. Hard to tell if that's the OP's point as it was arctiulated pretty poorly and his attention grabing offensive use of a word has left the majority of us ignoring his actual point.

Saturnana

dday3six wrote: »

Sneaky-Snurr wrote: »

STOP.. using the word cancer.

You people use that word ever so lightly to describe your irrelevant distaste on a few things and I find it heartless of you to even consider using that word. Can't you find other alternatives? Surely the dictionary can provide you a few if not many.
This community sickens me.

But back on topic, I agree that destro ulti needs to either be toned down or replaced. It is just too potent as it is now and is an AoE ulti that is a must-have as a mag build.

Perhaps you'd prefer the other popular stand by ...AIDS...

Truth is though both are used ironically, the comparisons aren't actually as bad as either and that's the joke.

This is a matter of a person's own frame of reference and cultural background. In the Netherlands, 'cancer' is the English language's f-word counterpart. In Dutch the two are practically interchangeable, making the use of it anything but a joke, or ironic. I understand others may not be aware of this. Just please don't dismiss people by saying it's not so bad, when they're uncomfortable with you using the word in a non-medical and negative context.

It's like the time I used a 'rock on'/horns hand gesture in Italy, only to find out it's insanely rude there. So I don't do it anymore.

Buffler

Some of you precious lot need to get a grip. You do realise cancer has 2 definitions?? The first being the disease, which is obviously NOT the context it is used in this game.

The second definition of cancer

"an evil or destructive practice or phenomenon that is hard to contain or eradicate"

So stop with your "im offended" nonsense and take context into account!

lunalitetempler

People just need to shop using that horrible word so casually.

Saturnana

Buffler wrote: »

So stop with your "im offended" nonsense and take context into account!

The point is, we take offense regardless of context.

Beesting

Tiitus wrote: »

AlexanderDeLarge wrote: »

The Warden's visual effects are a step in the right direction but I really hope THIS ^ isn't a thing by the end of the year. This was a thread a while back and it seems like they're going in the right direction but some dramatic changes still need to happen with the existing classes. It's difficult to look at, understand and it results in a lot of *** deaths when you can't see the "red zones" (which are are transparent to the point where they're practically invisible in a lot of environments) and the screen is so busy you can't even see the "telegraph" animation of the thing you're trying to kill.

first, if you dnt like all the effects turn them off that way i can play my way and you an play yours, dont try force ppl to play your way because you dnt like something especially when you have an option to turn it off...

second, you would choose a picture from a Tank perspective..... since the beginning of mmos they've been forced into a corner of some boss room with a crappy camera view and spell animation all up in their faces.

the image below is what the majority of the player will see.

What i find impressive is you get 37k dps with a light attack and one crystal frag en the OP gets 22k with a screen full of dots.
Seems playing sorc is clutterfree and more OP than the OP

AlexanderDeLarge

Everyone knows someone that has died/suffered with cancer. Myself included, in fact I've been taking care of a cancer patient that's extremely close to me. Stop with the "I'm offended" nonsense and I highly advise you watch this video so you know how people really feel every time "I'm offended" is used to shut down conversation.

https://youtu.be/6pTbL7GYUuA

If you're that bothered by people using cancer/cancerous on the internet, install one of those browser add-ons that replaces words with other words. Replace it with blight. Post would still make sense, it would be inoffensive and everyone else wouldn't have to read past your whines as a result. Just make sure to disable it when you're looking up medical information.

I used the word I used. I'm not editing my post and it certainly doesn't deserve to be shut down because some people are too fragile on here.

Thorvarg

AlexanderDeLarge wrote: »

The Warden's visual effects are a step in the right direction but I really hope THIS ^ isn't a thing by the end of the year. This was a thread a while back and it seems like they're going in the right direction but some dramatic changes still need to happen with the existing classes. It's difficult to look at, understand and it results in a lot of *** deaths when you can't see the "red zones" (which are are transparent to the point where they're practically invisible in a lot of environments) and the screen is so busy you can't even see the "telegraph" animation of the thing you're trying to kill.

You're not playing a Fantasy Game, you're playing a Jetfighter-Simulation :-)It's an Overload, not to say"Overkill", of Informations. I would get insane by playing this way !

Kiwi

no point telling op anything
its not his picture
the picture is very old
the game does not look like that unless you make it look like that

clear case of user error

Gandrhulf_Harbard

Beardimus wrote: »

To be honest, I wish the mods would just lock every thread using the word. It is offensive to many and there is no need to use it.

No one has the right, nor should they have the expectation, to go through life without being offended. And to be honest who would wish to live in such a sterile and sanitised world? A world where ESO could be shut down because someone claims to find killing Spriggans offensive?

I say that as someone who has lost three close family members to cancer.

People claiming to be offended at anything and everything is a social cancer.

All The Best