What do you think is the all around worst class in the game

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dragonknight

@ZOS_KaiSchober @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_GaryA @ZOS_JessicaFolsom can you guys acknowledge this poll

Artis

nightblade

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

Fingolfinn01 wrote: »

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

I gather some of you guys were not around since launch. The class balance will never be perfect, but it has improved so much since then, it is pretty amazing.

No idea about PVE builds, but in PVP at least, you can finally roll a viable character from any of the four classes, your choice of stamina or magicka, light, med or heavy armor.

At launch if you played stamina build you would be kicked out of PVE groups and in PVP stamina peasants ran in terror from the wicked, villainous vampire lord magicka DKs. Stam NB had a really tough time and finding a stam sorc in Cyrodiil was like spotting a unicorn. Mag sorc have always been pretty strong though.

Currently, mag NB is probably the most challenging to play, but it is still quite viable.

so what does zos prioritise when balancing classes pvp or pve??

And are there more pvp players than pve players?

No idea tbh because I don't have experience in PVE, but judging by patch notes and feedback I've seen on this forum during the past few years, it seems balance has also improved a lot in PVE. At launch I know stam builds would get kicked out of PVE groups and a lot of people quit ESO because they didn't want to be shoehorned into playing with light armor and staff.

Now any class can play dps and tank, but templar is much stronger as healer. With the upcoming patch there will be slightly more balance among the classes for playing healer role, but DK, sorc and NB are still less optimal than templar or warden.
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Stop repeating this. This is not true. No one would kick stamina builds from PvE groups at launch. You wouldn't be invited to top groups that are competing for #1 score maybe, but you definitely wouldn't be kicked. What was the worst that could happen if you bring a stam toon? The trial will take 15 mins instead of 11-12? Who cared? No one. I ran plenty of trials and saw stam there - it was rare, yes, because not many people wanted to play it since the dps was pretty weak, but it was there! Huh, I even remember completing those trials on my NB, who at the time wasn't even at the veteran rank cap or barely there. And it was a stamina breton lol. And no one ever kicked me.

IcyDeadPeople

nightblade

Artis wrote: »

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

Fingolfinn01 wrote: »

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

I gather some of you guys were not around since launch. The class balance will never be perfect, but it has improved so much since then, it is pretty amazing.

No idea about PVE builds, but in PVP at least, you can finally roll a viable character from any of the four classes, your choice of stamina or magicka, light, med or heavy armor.

At launch if you played stamina build you would be kicked out of PVE groups and in PVP stamina peasants ran in terror from the wicked, villainous vampire lord magicka DKs. Stam NB had a really tough time and finding a stam sorc in Cyrodiil was like spotting a unicorn. Mag sorc have always been pretty strong though.

Currently, mag NB is probably the most challenging to play, but it is still quite viable.

so what does zos prioritise when balancing classes pvp or pve??

And are there more pvp players than pve players?

No idea tbh because I don't have experience in PVE, but judging by patch notes and feedback I've seen on this forum during the past few years, it seems balance has also improved a lot in PVE. At launch I know stam builds would get kicked out of PVE groups and a lot of people quit ESO because they didn't want to be shoehorned into playing with light armor and staff.

Now any class can play dps and tank, but templar is much stronger as healer. With the upcoming patch there will be slightly more balance among the classes for playing healer role, but DK, sorc and NB are still less optimal than templar or warden.
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Stop repeating this. This is not true. No one would kick stamina builds from PvE groups at launch. You wouldn't be invited to top groups that are competing for #1 score maybe, but you definitely wouldn't be kicked. What was the worst that could happen if you bring a stam toon? The trial will take 15 mins instead of 11-12? Who cared? No one. I ran plenty of trials and saw stam there - it was rare, yes, because not many people wanted to play it since the dps was pretty weak, but it was there! Huh, I even remember completing those trials on my NB, who at the time wasn't even at the veteran rank cap or barely there. And it was a stamina breton lol. And no one ever kicked me.

Sounds like you had a better experience than I did on my Khajiit Stam NB. Many stamina players had the experience of getting kicked in both PVE and PVP for rolling stam, I certainly experienced this myself.

Quite a few PVP guilds had a mandatory requirement for everyone to run light armor and resto/destro. In PVE this was happening sadly even with dungeon groups - there weren't any trials until Craglorn launched a couple months later. The problem of everyone running light armor magicka build was one of the major complaints about ESO at the time and turned a lot of people away from the game who wanted to play a different sort of build.

Stamina users generally had a pretty tough time until 1.6, which would see the pendulum swing perhaps a bit too far in the other direction.

simu_6b16_ESO

dragonknight

I Play two Builds:
1 healer Templar, cleared with him pre CP the Archive (at carglorn release)
1 stamina DK, i loved him, stuck at last boss in VMA cuz the to less stamina regen

With the PTR patchnotes feel bad, Templar nerf, huge stam sustain DK nerf. i mean WTF this dk nerf? it wasnt the best class before but now?

SORC masterrace is real
NB still workst class

after PATCH:
DK worst

playsforfun

nightblade

magblade takes this i believe

kyle.wilson

Most people that think that one class is terrible over another are only considering one type of gameplay.
And, just because you don't like a playstyle, that doesn't mean it's bad.

Artis

nightblade

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

Sounds like you had a better experience than I did on my Khajiit Stam NB. Many stamina players had the experience of getting kicked in both PVE and PVP for rolling stam, I certainly experienced this myself.

Quite a few PVP guilds had a mandatory requirement for everyone to run light armor and resto/destro. In PVE this was happening sadly even with dungeon groups - there weren't any trials until Craglorn launched a couple months later. The problem of everyone running light armor magicka build was one of the major complaints about ESO at the time and turned a lot of people away from the game who wanted to play a different sort of build.

Stamina users generally had a pretty tough time until 1.6, which would see the pendulum swing perhaps a bit too far in the other direction.

I seriously don't understand where you find these people lol. I played a stamina NB breton when I was levelign for a while. Got taken to a trial on VR4 for the first time, not even at the VR cap. Ran multiple times after that too. Was in a PvP guild - Mostly Harmless, if you played back then you should know this name, and no one required anything like what you are saying and they were destroying in Cyro.

After that I made my NB a tank, and again - played and completed all the content and no one kicked me. In fact, I opened many people's eyes and proved that you can tank on something other than a DK. Yes, it was hard to find a group as something non-meta sometimes. But it's like that all the time.

I definitely don't recall people getting kicked. But sure, you're right that stamina had it hard until 1.6. Not arguing with that.

Glamdring

nightblade

KaiVox22 wrote: »

None. All of them have their strengths and weaknesses in different game types, roles, builds etc. There are too many variables to consider one better than the other.

For example nightblades suffer in end game pve but excel in pvp. So do they suck or are they good? Well, both... depends on the situation.

So yeah, pointless and generic poll, no offence

Nightblades excel in pvp? Are we playing the same game?

IcyDeadPeople

nightblade

Artis wrote: »

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

Sounds like you had a better experience than I did on my Khajiit Stam NB. Many stamina players had the experience of getting kicked in both PVE and PVP for rolling stam, I certainly experienced this myself.

Quite a few PVP guilds had a mandatory requirement for everyone to run light armor and resto/destro. In PVE this was happening sadly even with dungeon groups - there weren't any trials until Craglorn launched a couple months later. The problem of everyone running light armor magicka build was one of the major complaints about ESO at the time and turned a lot of people away from the game who wanted to play a different sort of build.

Stamina users generally had a pretty tough time until 1.6, which would see the pendulum swing perhaps a bit too far in the other direction.

I seriously don't understand where you find these people lol. I played a stamina NB breton when I was levelign for a while. Got taken to a trial on VR4 for the first time, not even at the VR cap. Ran multiple times after that too. Was in a PvP guild - Mostly Harmless, if you played back then you should know this name, and no one required anything like what you are saying and they were destroying in Cyro.

After that I made my NB a tank, and again - played and completed all the content and no one kicked me. In fact, I opened many people's eyes and proved that you can tank on something other than a DK. Yes, it was hard to find a group as something non-meta sometimes. But it's like that all the time.

I definitely don't recall people getting kicked. But sure, you're right that stamina had it hard until 1.6. Not arguing with that.

Yes, played a few times with Mostly Harmless as well - they were one of the few really strong guilds that were welcoming and friendly, would take time to teach new people and generally had a positive experience with those guys.

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dragonknight

kyle.wilson wrote: »

Most people that think that one class is terrible over another are only considering one type of gameplay.
And, just because you don't like a playstyle, that doesn't mean it's bad.

have you ever leveled a nightblade to 50? Its like hard mode for the game in pve and pvp

QuebraRegra

nightblade

poll looks accurate so far...

kyle.wilson

jpeg wrote: »

kyle.wilson wrote: »

Most people that think that one class is terrible over another are only considering one type of gameplay.
And, just because you don't like a playstyle, that doesn't mean it's bad.

have you ever leveled a nightblade to 50? Its like hard mode for the game in pve and pvp

both a stam and mag. It's not that hard.
I have 1 of every class and type at max level. Some are no longer geared though.

simu_6b16_ESO

dragonknight

You can debate as much as u want atm.

DK (at morrowwind) and NB now are worst

in the END:

SORC Wins, OP MAG, OP STAm, thats it

Reroll a sorc, leftclick the whole content and spam shield no skill

Glamdring

nightblade

Stam nb worst class in anything grouprelated be it pve or pvp. We excel at one thing and thats ganking in pvp and that gets a nerf this patch. RIP

itehache

Funny how most people voted for nightblade yet everyone complains about them in PVP.

As the first comment says, every class has good and bad stuff. I main a stamblade for endgame in pve, and I know I will never be able to compete to my friend who runs a magsorc. When we are in Cyrodiil though...

Just play the class you like, learn how to play it and you will be able to play any game content.

The_Conquerer

templar

stamplar

parkham

nightblade

I think instead of asking "which class is the worst", you should have asked "which class is most difficult to play"

max_only

nightblade

parkham wrote: »

I think instead of asking "which class is the worst", you should have asked "which class is most difficult to play"

The answer is still Nightblade

D0ntevenL1ft

dragonknight

The_Conquerer wrote: »

stamplar

I don't think stamplars are in a bad spot currently, or i hope not since I'm attempting building one for morrow wind instead of my stam dk.

Ill gain mending (dk's is lost in pvp), 8% damage reduction, better dps spammable, purges, and slightly better regen in small scale due to repentance. Sad to say that a stam templar is tankier than a stam dk now.

max_only

nightblade

itehache wrote: »

Funny how most people voted for nightblade yet everyone complains about them in PVP.

As the first comment says, every class has good and bad stuff. I main a stamblade for endgame in pve, and I know I will never be able to compete to my friend who runs a magsorc. When we are in Cyrodiil though...

Just play the class you like, learn how to play it and you will be able to play any game content.

No need to complain about nightblades with the new update.

Except complaining that they're taking a valuable group/population spot from a better class.

STEVIL

dragonknight

All are capable in various ares with strengths and weaknesses.


So i voted dk cuz i have run three to vet lvl and just did not like them in play, not for power but just did not enjoy.

lookstwice

templar

wow surprising results. for me it's by a far margin templar and NB near the top. once again I'm not in the majority.

max_only

nightblade

lookstwice wrote: »

wow surprising results. for me it's by a far margin templar and NB near the top. once again I'm not in the majority.

Templar and dragonknights have pain points sure. But I don't know anyone who thinks nightblades are the greatest. The greatest at ganking maybe, but that's been chopped and diced so much. So out of an entire game with all this content NB can do one single maneuver well. They can't survive if it doesn't go off with a hitch. We are a one trick pony. ALSO, every other class CAN gank and do a great job at it, so it's not like we're the only ones.

I'm never asking for nightblades to be OP. I'm asking that they leave us alone. Or at the very very very least, leave Siphoning Attacks alone. Let us become the true survival/guerilla warfare/run to live to fight another day/sustain master class we can be. This will satisfy a type of gaming style that the other 3 classes can't get AND keep us from being overpowered.

JiKama

As much as I love playing a stamplar *on live* it does feel weaker than the other stam builds. As much as I do love it for the group utility and Stam DPS I'm scared for how it will play in morrowind. I LOVE the Stamplar for repentance and extended ritual/ritual of retribution. Having the current live version repentance on the Stamplar is so unique and good.

Phinix1

templar

IF the 3.0 patch notes were to go live as-is (doubtful) then I would think Stamina NB worst, Templar anything 2nd.

Both cases are not so much to do with CP changes as heavy-handed skill nerfs, homogenization, and outright GUTTING as in the case of Repentance and Siphoning Attacks.

gediv2

nightblade

Bump. Get a clue ZOS.

WalksonGraves

nightblade

NB is just the worst designed class but they all are really. Most dk skills are garbage, same with templars.

MagnusBlackmane

If you enjoy it, it's not "the worst". Even if someone tells you so. Don't get too focused on numbers alone and you might get more enjoyment out of this game, chill.

SantieClaws

Algebra at the Thalmor College in Auridon.

So dull and yet so menacing at the same time ...

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

Castle117

nightblade

WalksonGraves wrote: »

NB is just the worst designed class but they all are really. Most dk skills are garbage, same with templars.

no clue where to start with what would fix the NB. i assume the expansion will mix things up so we will have to retest everything. but as it stands, playing a NB with a staff or great-sword to make the class work is not cutting it. NB wants to be played as a duel wield rogue, yet the 3 spec lines are more mage, warrior, or ranger. getting all useful talents to 50 has been a real grind with NB. and in the end, it's not worth it in endgame due to the fact that the other 3 classes are more useful to groups or premades.

on the other end of the scale, Templar are so easy to level and useful that it gets boring. i don't mind a hard class but only if it pays off in the endgame. other MMOs have had harder classes to level but they tend to be played by better players and shine in the endgame.