What do you think is the all around worst class in the game

Edziu

nightblade

leepalmer95 wrote: »

t3hdubzy wrote: »

If i had to choose i would say stamina nightblade. They have very few class skills that superior enough to slow over world, or weapon class abilities. They are also buggy. I barely log into mine anymore.

We ignoring ambush/ suprise attack and relentless focus?

relentless focus is ***, its only good if ou have no in pve healer to get minor berserk buff(in pvp its other way which also isnt huge buff to nb against classes which dont have access to this buff but to much much better surviv) and ambush only in pvp useful

t3hdubzy

nightblade

leepalmer95 wrote: »

t3hdubzy wrote: »

If i had to choose i would say stamina nightblade. They have very few class skills that superior enough to slow over world, or weapon class abilities. They are also buggy. I barely log into mine anymore.

We ignoring ambush/ suprise attack and relentless focus?

I didnt say they all suck, i said there are few class skills that are superior to other abilities available.

Ambush is on par with crit charge, with crit charge with a vma or vdsa weapon being better. Crit charge offers higher dmg while ambush offers better passives.


For instance executioner versus killers blade.

Anything in the 3rd skill line is for a magika user.

Power extraction is less viable than say reverse slice, or steel tornado

Dawnbreaker with animation cancel and aoe is superior to incap which is buggy.

Cloak is mediocre and buggy and its the main source of protection for nightblades but countered by poisons, mark of another nb, potions, skills, aoes.

Relentless focus requires 4 light attacks and an extra click which is situational really for range fights, but is mostly a dps loss in most fights.

Surprise attack is great ability along with mass hysteria, and id say really the only 2 stand outs.

Edziu

nightblade

leepalmer95 wrote: »

t3hdubzy wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

KaiVox22 wrote: »

None. All of them have their strengths and weaknesses in different game types, roles, builds etc. There are too many variables to consider one better than the other.

For example nightblades suffer in end game pve but excel in pvp. So do they suck or are they good? Well, both... depends on the situation.

So yeah, pointless and generic poll, no offence

I almost never see any good nb stam or mag on pvp, I see only gangers who arnt to skilled and nonstop I see skilled especially sorcs, dk's and just healbots

You do realize ganking requires a fair bit of skill, many NBs are glass cannons and only get 1 chance to kill their victim, if they fail their initial attack are usually screwed. many need to utulize stealth as they do not have the defense to fight in the open.

I know and this is why nb is the worst, in open fight he have no chance if is not played by someone on top of server players but also if someone will duel with same in other class against nb nb will die at all, he is able only to great ganking

just dont give nb chance to go into stealth and easy kill

also in pve nb is the worst for everything as magica and stamina except worse stamplar DD

There are so many counters to night lades that ganking is really not that great for nightblades. Only great at ganking low health guppies with no shield, assuming there abilities fire at all.

You can gank pretty much anything with the right build...

with proctard build with just alchemist

Kram8ion

templar

Coming from assassins creed world I have a thing against templars and their names just boring

Betsararie

nightblade

Kram8ion wrote: »

Coming from assassins creed world I have a thing against templars and their names just boring

This doesn't mean they're the worst. This doesn't say anything about how good or bad they are.

This just means you don't like them.

Sensei_Brew

dragonknight

Whoever thinks DKs are a top class probably hasn't played much DK....Especially stam

SydneyGrey

nightblade

I went from a nightblade to a dragonknight (in PvE), and the difference is HUGE. My nightblade couldn't even get through some of the bosses from quests, like the Grand Sermonizer in the DB questline. My dragonknight can breeze right through them. In my opinion, nightblades need to be buffed for PvE play. They need a decent heal, and a decent ultimate.

Vaoh

nightblade

Nightblade, but by a very small margin, and mainly in PvE.

I say this because Nightblade is the only class that imo deserves a few simple buffs:

Must happen in the future:
• Fix cloak
• Auto-recast Grim Focus when a proc is fired (great trial buff)

Maybe:
• Add an 5% increased magic damage dealt to enemies in your Path of Darkness (trial buff, NBs will have a trial presence again)

KingYogi415

What a stupid question.

Cheers!

Vapirko

dragonknight

Stam DKs are just boring right now, I play two of them and I can say for sure that they're really one dimensional. We're ill equipped to deal with evenly matched players atm of other classes. We have no spammable moves, we move slowly, our heals are just so so and our regen isn't really that good despite what most people say. Most of our defensive skills require magicka especially to deal with a range sorc. Sure you can gap close but they can still spam ranged attacks and we have no good shields to deal with it. Basically you're left using scales to deflect and igneous to buff healing until your magicka runs out. If you come up against a sorc that knows how to keep their shields up you're done as a stam
DK. We do not have the burst potential especially without maelstrom weapons. I'd say that Stam DKs might be the easiest to play but harder to actually be effective at. Everyone can do ok with them, difficult to be great. Perhaps it's slightly different if you're one of the people who has optimal latency and hardware and a million hours to play but for everyone else they're pretty lack luster and could really use some polishing. Not buffs, just some more well thought out skill like usable shields that don't require magicka.

DragonBound

jpeg wrote: »

None, but I stamina skill lines are lacking somewhat in visuals and balance reasons, I also think we need another magicka weapon type.

Enslaved

templar

Templar. Scrub tier class, made for people who don't like to L2P.
"look at me, I can spam BoL"

Enslaved

templar

SnubbS wrote: »

The worst class overall is DK. It isn't even close.

Yeah, that is why like 95% of all PvE tanks are DKs.
And that is why I get snared by talons every 2s in PvP. Absolute king of all snares and disables. Great as small scale in PvP or as support in huge ass battles. I enjoy mDK this patch a lot in PvP.

starkerealm

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

As much as I love my DK's... I'd have to say DK's. The class has the most expensive skills, causing sustain issues (unless going the stamina route). Speaking of skills, flappers/scales doesn't work like it's supposed to (most of the time). The class also lacks an execute AND form of mobility within the class. An execute can only be obtained if going the stamina route, and mobility from going the vampire route.

And yet, people still believe DK's to be overpowered... Whether they be magicka or stamina based. Oh well. People are entitled to their own opinions.

Used to be, they had a way to recover resources at will, so the high ability costs were somewhat balanced. That's since been seriously nerfed, but the idea that they're ludicrously powerful persists.

Stravokov

nightblade

I almost never see any good nb stam or mag on pvp, I see only gangers who arnt to skilled and nonstop I see skilled especially sorcs, dk's and just healbots[/quote]You do realize ganking requires a fair bit of skill, many NBs are glass cannons and only get 1 chance to kill their victim, if they fail their initial attack are usually screwed. many need to utulize stealth as they do not have the defense to fight in the open.


and consider in pvp EVERYONE and their grandmother seems to be in heavy armor built for survivability. even if you build glass cannon, your not going to kill your target with the current game build/meta.

also people tend to overlook that nightblades took a HUUUGE hit when they marginialized damage and healing in pvp by cutting it in half. we use to be able to play glass canon, but it's kind of hard to kill your target when you do half damage, not to mention the nerfs from doing damage from invis or stealth against players.

in my opinion the class was not designed for marginial/sustain. when you add up all the strikes/changes in the last year it paints a pretty clear picture that the class needs a revamp to be on the same playing field as everyone else.

starkerealm

Stravokov wrote: »

I almost never see any good nb stam or mag on pvp, I see only gangers who arnt to skilled and nonstop I see skilled especially sorcs, dk's and just healbots

You do realize ganking requires a fair bit of skill, many NBs are glass cannons and only get 1 chance to kill their victim, if they fail their initial attack are usually screwed. many need to utulize stealth as they do not have the defense to fight in the open.

and consider in pvp EVERYONE and their grandmother seems to be in heavy armor built for survivability. even if you build glass cannon, your not going to kill your target with the current game build/meta.

I'll be honest, I'm not a fan of the current PvP meta at all. I can't decide if this is better or worse than the, "everyone's in LA all the time," meta from back before 1.6.

Brrrofski

nightblade

Nightblade.

Both pretty bad in Pve.

Mageblade is the weakest class in PvP.

Stam NB isn't the strongest it's been, but as soon as heavy armor meta goes, it goes back to top two with magica sorc. Still pretty strong currently.

GawdSB

SnubbS wrote: »

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

Aquanova wrote: »

Magicka NB and Stamina DK!

Stamina DK???? What game you playing man? When built properly a Stam DK is arguably the strongest class in PvP. Its also the strongest stamina class in PvE.

StamDK is the worst Stam class in PvP. It has the lowest damage, no movement abilities, relies on a clunky spammable and is completely outclassed by stamsorc in every area apart from Spell resist.

That's really what you have to compare them to—stamsorcs. You do the same combos, you can run the same gear sets etc—and StamSorc will have more damage, more healing, more movement, more sustain and more group utility.

Stamplars have similar (slightly lesser healing), but possess more damage, more utility and more gear diversity. Example—you can run dualwield/2h with a setup like 2x Slime, 5x Ravager, 5x BonePirate—and that's because you aren't reliant upon the worst spammable in elder scrolls. Edit: Almost forgot, Stamplars are literally Tankier. 8% dmg reduction. It never ends.

Stamblades are in a class of their own, better damage, better sustain, better passives (have I mentioned passives yet? Because outside of Battleroar, DKs have the worst passives for Stam-based PvP) and more options for different playstyles. Oh, and they aren't reliant upon the worst spammable in elder scrolls. Oh, and they have the best stam ult in PvP.

Just because you can build a StamDK into an average class with decent damage/sustain etc—that doesn't diminish the fact that every other Stamclass is superior.

I'm not concerned with PvE—because from everything I've read all Stambuilds are sort of pointless in PvE right now. Although, from everything I've read/seen—StamDK is the highest end-game StamDD.

GawdSB wrote: »

SnubbS wrote: »

The worst class overall is DK. It isn't even close.

How?
They're great in PVP and PVE...
Both MagDK and StamDK are very viable.

Read above for my thoughts on StamDK. It might be "Viable" in the sense that you can at least get some kills with it—it's still the worst Stamclass by a mile.

MagDKs in PvE are great DDs right now—maybe they're borderline unplayable next patch. As far as PvP, they're viable but have the worst sustain in Elder Scrolls. They're great in duels, they're great for Small-scale (2-4 man pvp) everything else—not really. No Magbuild really shines right now in solo play besides MagSorc. There's really no reason to bring a MagDK into organized group play (10-12 man) either as they offer nothing outside of an AoE heal debuff. So you have to ask at that point, do I want another destro ult ticking for 7-8k per sec, or a Standard? I'll take another destro ult.

They do at least have a place in PvP, I must stress that—there are areas where MagDK is BiS. StamDK? No—no to the power of a thousand. Even the people in PvP who want to build fortresses to sit there, hold block and do nothing—even in that Scenario it's better to have a blazplar than a dk.

For MagDK sustain in PVP that's why you wear a sustain set like Lich and you'll be good.
I think as far as Stam classes go it's a preference. I think StamNB is the worst atm, but that's just me. And I think StamDK is the best stam class.

As for organized group play MagDKs are still very much needed if not for only their talons + fossilize to keep those guys in your destro ults. Also for tanking purposes.

There is one thing you're right about though, come next patch if they really remove the cost reduction CP trees DK is finished because there's no way they'll be able to sustain unless there is a complete overhaul on the cost of their skills.

Violynne

nightblade

KaiVox22 wrote: »

None. All of them have their strengths and weaknesses in different game types, roles, builds etc. There are too many variables to consider one better than the other.

This certainly may be true, but the game doesn't give players this information.

I don't see "This class is going to suck end game PvE but you'll smash in PvP" under the NB character creation screen and this information is rather important, especially to people who don't really understand the game.

Sort of defeats the whole "L2P" crap I keep seeing pop up when players struggle with classes that are supposed to work in the entire game, not just parts of it.

Many people are fully aware the "balance" of the game doesn't exist across the board, and that's rather troublesome in my opinion.

If I make a CP160 NB, I should spank the game no matter where I play.

VelociousLegend

nightblade

I may be biased because I main a magblade, but it is NB to me.

I still feel like cloak does not work correctly at times and get pulled out, but this could just be game performance related. And some of the abilities should be reworked to provide more options for both PvP and PvE (I am looking at you Grim Focus and Agony).

The problem is buffing NB's consistent dps and available tool set while not buffing their burst potential. Any buff to burst damage will only improve the already very very strong PvP ganking capabilities. Which is why DOTs, HOTs, and class ability major/minor buffs should be readjusted to make the other facets of game play more relevant.

kojou

sorcerer

Kinda subjective...

Kay1

nightblade

KaiVox22 wrote: »

None. All of them have their strengths and weaknesses in different game types, roles, builds etc. There are too many variables to consider one better than the other.

For example nightblades suffer in end game pve but excel in pvp. So do they suck or are they good? Well, both... depends on the situation.

So yeah, pointless and generic poll, no offence

Excel? Lol I 3 shot the 100% of the Nightblades in my server and when I play with mine and I don't spam dodge rolls I get killed before I can even use ambush.

We are not in Spring 2016 anymore, Nightblades are complete garbage right now, it's laughable how weak they are

Duiwel

nightblade

Can I change my answer to whiners?

altemriel

dragonknight

"Elitists"

Demion

None

All class has their situation that makes them excel or not

mocap

if the question is "what is the worst 3in1 build class" then totaly not a Templar. I think it's the only class who can DD, Tank and Heal at the same time with pretty nice efficiency.

FlyLionel

nightblade

KingJ wrote: »

NB magica has the lowest DPS in endgame pve Stamnb is third but has the lowest survivability of all the classes. MagNb the worst open world class right now. Stamnb only the best class for ganking while the other stam specs are ahead of them for everything else,Large groups small group and 1vx.

Perfect.

ADarklore

nightblade

@Wrobel @ZOS_MattFiror @ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_BrianWheeler

Have you all seen to this poll??? Can we please get some attention to balance on classes, especially Nightblade damage and Dragonknight sustain?!?

max_only

nightblade

Welp if they took a look at this poll they went, "... naaaah"

Majeure

nightblade

I guess I'll have to give this to the Nightblades, all they have going for them is ganking, bombing, and vMA, which will soon be taken from them.