BoL nerf? Ever?!?!?

hmsdragonfly

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

I am not advocating for a nerf or anything but can anyone tell me how to kill a magplar using BoL in a 1v1? (As a magdk)

Please. I am desperate. It's like hitting a wall.

Yeah, don't spam talons and I won't spam BoL. Deal?

Most magplars wear reactive anyway so CC them is kinda pointless. xD

Ohhgrizyyy

laksikus wrote: »

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

laksikus wrote: »

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

Syrani wrote: »

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

Syrani wrote: »

Smmokkee wrote: »

Syrani wrote: »

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

I stated it's broken for PvP, In Pve it's fine but cause that's honestly not really as competitive content, Yes you have trials but in trials it revolves around healing springs alot, PvP it revolves around BoL spamming everyone to full health and it's incredibly broken

Except in this game, when something gets nerfed for PVP, it's nerfed for everyone - even PVE. They don't separate the two.

I think pve would manage if bol was given a increased cost the more you cast it consecutively.

And I think PVP can manage without a nerf.

Probably because you're a templar lmfao, If you play enough PvP and find a small group with a templar are even a 2 man group with a templar and you're running solo, You're not killing that said Templar. Guarantee you're one of these I'm complaining about cause no Templar would want this nerf.

I am not a Templar, so there goes your theory. I am sick and tired of PVE getting nerfed because of PVP. You PVP guys come in here and cry and cry about "Nerf this! Nerf that! I can't kill X so it must be OP! Nerf it and PVE can just suck it up!" - but you never take your own advice. You never want to learn to overcome things you have trouble with, but you expect PVE players to just deal with it so you can have what YOU want. It's not all about you, and it isn't all about PVP, no matter if you want it to be or not. Go play LoL or some other game geared towards PVP if you want everything focused on that aspect of the game. This game happens to have both, and both need to be considered when making changes.

Why? Cause PvP is way more competetive then pve will ever be. I went into vma for my first time ever the other night not knowing wtf I was doing and got to round 7 on my PvP build... PvE is easy and always has been

you are a mag sorc. your pvp skills are basically your pve solo skills: frags, force pulse, execute, hzealing ward, hardened ward. try it without shieldstacking and see how competetive it is. try a 600k score

That's why people run necropotence and have 31k shields in vma

No competitive pve Player will Run shield stack in a msa speed Run for leaderboard

I have a buddy who runs necropotence and some other garbage that gives him 52k max mag with bound armor and inner light..It literally gives him a hardened ward of 31k so you don't need to stack shields. Just use one lmao

Ohhgrizyyy

JD2013 wrote: »

"Templar killed me, nerf pls"

Is this the whole crux of this thrrad? I mean, come on ...

I get killed in PVP by templars, NB's, Sorcs, DK's and I don't come on here shouting for a nerf. I merely rez or get resurrected and go and get them back in return.

I didn't die to the Templar I tried bursting him and and he fully healed from about 10% when he had 30k hp and I knocked him on his ass for him to break and his butt buddy stam sorc just comes over and hits me with a 10k dizzying and melts me lmao. Just overall I think BoL is dumb especially when you have a templar that won't die when they are outnumbered 5:1

technohic

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

"Templar killed me, nerf pls"

Is this the whole crux of this thrrad? I mean, come on ...

I get killed in PVP by templars, NB's, Sorcs, DK's and I don't come on here shouting for a nerf. I merely rez or get resurrected and go and get them back in return.

I didn't die to the Templar I tried bursting him and and he fully healed from about 10% when he had 30k hp and I knocked him on his ass for him to break and his butt buddy stam sorc just comes over and hits me with a 10k dizzying and melts me lmao. Just overall I think BoL is dumb especially when you have a templar that won't die when they are outnumbered 5:1

So a 30k HP templar with that much health also had enough magicka and spell power to heal for 27k according to your math which would be 54k outside of Cyrodiil.

Got it.

Ohhgrizyyy

technohic wrote: »

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

"Templar killed me, nerf pls"

Is this the whole crux of this thrrad? I mean, come on ...

I get killed in PVP by templars, NB's, Sorcs, DK's and I don't come on here shouting for a nerf. I merely rez or get resurrected and go and get them back in return.

I didn't die to the Templar I tried bursting him and and he fully healed from about 10% when he had 30k hp and I knocked him on his ass for him to break and his butt buddy stam sorc just comes over and hits me with a 10k dizzying and melts me lmao. Just overall I think BoL is dumb especially when you have a templar that won't die when they are outnumbered 5:1

So a 30k HP templar with that much health also had enough magicka and spell power to heal for 27k according to your math which would be 54k outside of Cyrodiil.

Got it.

Guess I'm clueless then but he had 30k health and healed fully from execute range with 1 BoL so. Also you act like that's hard when my stam dk can get 34k max stam, 26k hp, 3400 weapon dmg and 30k resistances with 2h/bow....The BoL coulda crit who knows. But I know what I saw and he healed from execute range to full with 1 BoL

FENGRUSH

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

"Templar killed me, nerf pls"

Is this the whole crux of this thrrad? I mean, come on ...

I get killed in PVP by templars, NB's, Sorcs, DK's and I don't come on here shouting for a nerf. I merely rez or get resurrected and go and get them back in return.

I didn't die to the Templar I tried bursting him and and he fully healed from about 10% when he had 30k hp and I knocked him on his ass for him to break and his butt buddy stam sorc just comes over and hits me with a 10k dizzying and melts me lmao. Just overall I think BoL is dumb especially when you have a templar that won't die when they are outnumbered 5:1

BOL healing a lot when a target is low isnt really the bad thing - thats what the heal is for and should be, and it plays to the templars strengths. The problem is that it can be used solely as templars heal and the rest of their skills/equip can focus on survival. Theyre very easy to run for high effectiveness. They can pound BOLs all day and be the last target you should focus in the fight. Thats poor design. The problem isnt as simple as just the skill, there is equipment and CP to take into consideration. Overall - there is an issue. People failing to acknowledge that is just refusal to take the first step towards a better solution.

Vaoh

I just wish Templars weren't so good at healing that they make every other class look terrible. It's at the point that being a DK/Sorc/NB healer is enough to get you kicked from groups or never given a chance in more serious types of content.

It's because of this that even the Warden class will not often be taken as a healer either. They'll be more accepted than DK/Sorc/NB healers, but Templars will be relied on the most like usual. You have a bunch of Cone AoE heals like Blessing of Restoration as a Warden. No 1-button Breath of Life heal for instant full health when an ally is dying no matter the location. Wardens have to actually find that person and heal them.

As long as one Warden is there somewhere applying their buffs, healers will still always be Templars (from what playtesters have seen so far).

technohic

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

"Templar killed me, nerf pls"

Is this the whole crux of this thrrad? I mean, come on ...

I get killed in PVP by templars, NB's, Sorcs, DK's and I don't come on here shouting for a nerf. I merely rez or get resurrected and go and get them back in return.

I didn't die to the Templar I tried bursting him and and he fully healed from about 10% when he had 30k hp and I knocked him on his ass for him to break and his butt buddy stam sorc just comes over and hits me with a 10k dizzying and melts me lmao. Just overall I think BoL is dumb especially when you have a templar that won't die when they are outnumbered 5:1

So a 30k HP templar with that much health also had enough magicka and spell power to heal for 27k according to your math which would be 54k outside of Cyrodiil.

Got it.

Guess I'm clueless then but he had 30k health and healed fully from execute range with 1 BoL so. Also you act like that's hard when my stam dk can get 34k max stam, 26k hp, 3400 weapon dmg and 30k resistances with 2h/bow....The BoL coulda crit who knows. But I know what I saw and he healed from execute range to full with 1 BoL

Why are you comparing stam and weapon damage and still 4k health off? Whats even the point? Is there some stam ability you meant to talk about with that setup that has the same base damage as BOLs base healing that hits for 27k?

Are you sure it was BOL and not rememberance?

Baconlad

BOL hitting for 27k in cyrodil is [snip]. no way you can build to get it that high...ok i stand corrected, it may be possible. but you are stacking everything possible into building it up that high i will tell you OP. if you have a templar casting 27k in cyrodil, then you are fighting a healer...he will tickle you with his jabs, and be nothing more than a minor nuisance to you. if he DID in fact heal that much, and DID keep pressure on you damage wise, then you are a liar.

so turning the cost of BOL into a gradual increase, nerfing the healing of it or putting any kind of other "nerf" to the skill, had better be applied to all shields, blocking (which i DISagree with the block nerfs from the day they implemented them), dodge rolls (once again DISagree with that nerf) reflects, cloak or any other skill any class or spec decides to use for defense.

the thing here is, as a magplar, playing since day one release as my main and only toon, having come across ALL classes/ Specs in duels/ large scale/ small scale PVP.

i can come across a 600 CP sorc one day and wipe the floor with him, the next day on a ifferent 600 CP sorc he'll turn me into butter within the first ten seconds. ALL specs, and ALL classes can be hard given the proper countering and GOOD gameplay.

so basically OP. L2P first, then complain, after reading your complaints i can safely assume you DO NOT in fact know..."how to play" and should figure it out. before calling for non broken skills to be nerfed. its the reason why VIGOR was added into the game, and why dodge rolling was nerfed. cause idiots couldnt stand that a player could dodge roll 50 times, when you could streak 50 times, or shield 50 times. it's rediculous.

most encounters go through cycles of defense and offense, as a sorc they typically last 6-10 seconds each, if you BREAK THE FLOW AND RYTHM of combat...you will throw your opponent off.

also as a PVP magplar, i typically do not heal untill i am at just above execute range. since i focus on more bursting and offense than worrying about defense, if you get me during that time? with ur proper rotation, i'm toast.


not trying to be bullish here OP, but there seem to be quite a few posts recently pissing on magplar in heavy armor and BOL...it's like people bitching about sorcs in Light armor and shielding...doesnt make sense. or complaining about a stam DK in heavy.

[Edit for profanity]

DHale

It also burns my craw to burst down a sorc to execute range only for them to press one button and get a shield that removes all crit and penetration.

Brrrofski

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

laksikus wrote: »

Keep pressure on and they won't kill you.

Here's the deal, you cannot play a sustain war with a magplar, they will slowly outsustain you and kill you in the end.

You out sustain their stamina. They get up, spam bol twice, get CCed, spam bol twice, get CCed, spam bol twice etc. Eventually either magica or Stam will run out and you kill them. Keep pressure on and line up burst for when their CCed.

Bol is kinda costly. Just spamming that leaves you with no magica pretty quickly.

Your magicka/stamina will run out before their magicka and stamina run out, they will go offensive and you will die.

A decent magplar know show to apply pressure as well, magplars who spam BoLs all day are very few, yet it also takes so much time to kill even those bad magplars, in the end zergs will come and you die xD

There's very few I've come across that outsustain me if I'm keeping them on the defensive.

hmsdragonfly

Brrrofski wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

laksikus wrote: »

Keep pressure on and they won't kill you.

Here's the deal, you cannot play a sustain war with a magplar, they will slowly outsustain you and kill you in the end.

You out sustain their stamina. They get up, spam bol twice, get CCed, spam bol twice, get CCed, spam bol twice etc. Eventually either magica or Stam will run out and you kill them. Keep pressure on and line up burst for when their CCed.

Bol is kinda costly. Just spamming that leaves you with no magica pretty quickly.

Your magicka/stamina will run out before their magicka and stamina run out, they will go offensive and you will die.

A decent magplar know show to apply pressure as well, magplars who spam BoLs all day are very few, yet it also takes so much time to kill even those bad magplars, in the end zergs will come and you die xD

There's very few I've come across that outsustain me if I'm keeping them on the defensive.

Have you achieved CHIM yet? You have done the impossible!

xeNNNNN

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

Burst them down without CC. then CC and execute.

use an armor set like: Fasalla's Guile or Crest of Cyrodill or Durok's Bane

Backbar Lethal Arrow for the poison proc, or poison enchantment, put points into the Befoul CP tree. use player made poisons that reduce healing taken.

While I agree those are all effective ways to deal with it.

You should not have to go to that much trouble to deny a heal that is supposed to be less like everyone elses healing.

Templar should not get free rein just because its a go too heal class.

Im so sick of bolplars.

Trueflame has way too many on EU. Its because toxic just trying to push anything against a templar zerg.

I know how bs it is because I ran my healer in the trueflame campaign two campaigns back it really is bs. I just survived zerg after zerg by spamming one button.

Oh and then I denied any kind of counter-zerg attack on us with one button whats it called? oh yeah! REMEBERANCE.

So much bs in one class is just....well frustrating. The powercreep of sorcs and templars is just disgusting.

Funny how you need one bs class to counter another bs class but also tragic that the only answer to most zergs with 8 templars or more is "negate". I mean really. Otherwise barrier stack + Rememberance and destro proxy bombs running at you. GG you're dead.

BRogueNZ

xeNNNNN wrote: »

I know how bs it is because I ran my healer in the trueflame campaign two campaigns back it really is bs. I just survived zerg after zerg by spamming one button.

i know bs when i see it too :P

olsborg

Volrion wrote: »

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

Volrion wrote: »

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

Syrani wrote: »

Smmokkee wrote: »

Syrani wrote: »

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

I stated it's broken for PvP, In Pve it's fine but cause that's honestly not really as competitive content, Yes you have trials but in trials it revolves around healing springs alot, PvP it revolves around BoL spamming everyone to full health and it's incredibly broken

Except in this game, when something gets nerfed for PVP, it's nerfed for everyone - even PVE. They don't separate the two.

I think pve would manage if bol was given a increased cost the more you cast it consecutively.

And I think PVP can manage without a nerf.

Probably because you're a templar lmfao, If you play enough PvP and find a small group with a templar are even a 2 man group with a templar and you're running solo, You're not killing that said Templar. Guarantee you're one of these I'm complaining about cause no Templar would want this nerf.

Ridiculous thread. L2P, OP.

You tell me if you haven't had a 10+ man group or seen 1 and found a 2-3 man group and there's a templar you are trying to focus down but can't cause they just block cast spam Bol? It's happened to everyone and it's broken

You do realize this is ESO, right?

With some tweaks I'm sure I could make that mag sorc of yours seem "broken" to many players.

This game is completely unbalanced, but BoL is far from being the problem.

Yea this game is very unbalanced, and you can make stupid builds, and BoL is one of the big problems.

Ohhgrizyyy

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

"Templar killed me, nerf pls"

Is this the whole crux of this thrrad? I mean, come on ...

I get killed in PVP by templars, NB's, Sorcs, DK's and I don't come on here shouting for a nerf. I merely rez or get resurrected and go and get them back in return.

I didn't die to the Templar I tried bursting him and and he fully healed from about 10% when he had 30k hp and I knocked him on his ass for him to break and his butt buddy stam sorc just comes over and hits me with a 10k dizzying and melts me lmao. Just overall I think BoL is dumb especially when you have a templar that won't die when they are outnumbered 5:1

BOL healing a lot when a target is low isnt really the bad thing - thats what the heal is for and should be, and it plays to the templars strengths. The problem is that it can be used solely as templars heal and the rest of their skills/equip can focus on survival. Theyre very easy to run for high effectiveness. They can pound BOLs all day and be the last target you should focus in the fight. Thats poor design. The problem isnt as simple as just the skill, there is equipment and CP to take into consideration. Overall - there is an issue. People failing to acknowledge that is just refusal to take the first step towards a better solution.

You're right, At the time I made this post I was just pissed off and when I see a Templar getting wailed on by a group and they can just spam BoL to survive whether it's cp or gear or the skill or whatever it is then it's just broken, Needs to be figured out and fixed. Fighting a good player who is playing a Templar and can manage right with heavy armor isn't as simple as just "cc him and burst him down" but you're very right

Ohhgrizyyy

technohic wrote: »

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

"Templar killed me, nerf pls"

Is this the whole crux of this thrrad? I mean, come on ...

I get killed in PVP by templars, NB's, Sorcs, DK's and I don't come on here shouting for a nerf. I merely rez or get resurrected and go and get them back in return.

I didn't die to the Templar I tried bursting him and and he fully healed from about 10% when he had 30k hp and I knocked him on his ass for him to break and his butt buddy stam sorc just comes over and hits me with a 10k dizzying and melts me lmao. Just overall I think BoL is dumb especially when you have a templar that won't die when they are outnumbered 5:1

So a 30k HP templar with that much health also had enough magicka and spell power to heal for 27k according to your math which would be 54k outside of Cyrodiil.

Got it.

Guess I'm clueless then but he had 30k health and healed fully from execute range with 1 BoL so. Also you act like that's hard when my stam dk can get 34k max stam, 26k hp, 3400 weapon dmg and 30k resistances with 2h/bow....The BoL coulda crit who knows. But I know what I saw and he healed from execute range to full with 1 BoL

Why are you comparing stam and weapon damage and still 4k health off? Whats even the point? Is there some stam ability you meant to talk about with that setup that has the same base damage as BOLs base healing that hits for 27k?

Are you sure it was BOL and not rememberance?

I saw him magically waive his hand so pretty sure it was BoL

Ohhgrizyyy

Baconlad wrote: »

BOL hitting for 27k in cyrodil is [snip]. no way you can build to get it that high...ok i stand corrected, it may be possible. but you are stacking everything possible into building it up that high i will tell you OP. if you have a templar casting 27k in cyrodil, then you are fighting a healer...he will tickle you with his jabs, and be nothing more than a minor nuisance to you. if he DID in fact heal that much, and DID keep pressure on you damage wise, then you are a liar.

so turning the cost of BOL into a gradual increase, nerfing the healing of it or putting any kind of other "nerf" to the skill, had better be applied to all shields, blocking (which i DISagree with the block nerfs from the day they implemented them), dodge rolls (once again DISagree with that nerf) reflects, cloak or any other skill any class or spec decides to use for defense.

the thing here is, as a magplar, playing since day one release as my main and only toon, having come across ALL classes/ Specs in duels/ large scale/ small scale PVP.

i can come across a 600 CP sorc one day and wipe the floor with him, the next day on a ifferent 600 CP sorc he'll turn me into butter within the first ten seconds. ALL specs, and ALL classes can be hard given the proper countering and GOOD gameplay.

so basically OP. L2P first, then complain, after reading your complaints i can safely assume you DO NOT in fact know..."how to play" and should figure it out. before calling for non broken skills to be nerfed. its the reason why VIGOR was added into the game, and why dodge rolling was nerfed. cause idiots couldnt stand that a player could dodge roll 50 times, when you could streak 50 times, or shield 50 times. it's rediculous.

most encounters go through cycles of defense and offense, as a sorc they typically last 6-10 seconds each, if you BREAK THE FLOW AND RYTHM of combat...you will throw your opponent off.

also as a PVP magplar, i typically do not heal untill i am at just above execute range. since i focus on more bursting and offense than worrying about defense, if you get me during that time? with ur proper rotation, i'm toast.


not trying to be bullish here OP, but there seem to be quite a few posts recently pissing on magplar in heavy armor and BOL...it's like people bitching about sorcs in Light armor and shielding...doesnt make sense. or complaining about a stam DK in heavy.

I've stated he wasn't the one to kill me lmao. It was him and his buddy who I was fighting and his buddy ran off for a min so I tried bursting the Templar down. He healed back to pull and after he did that I just basically have up and his buddy came over bursted me down cause I didn't have my shields up cause I knew the Templar wasn't gonna do any damage

Cryptical

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

Syrani wrote: »

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

Syrani wrote: »

Smmokkee wrote: »

Syrani wrote: »

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

I stated it's broken for PvP, In Pve it's fine but cause that's honestly not really as competitive content, Yes you have trials but in trials it revolves around healing springs alot, PvP it revolves around BoL spamming everyone to full health and it's incredibly broken

Except in this game, when something gets nerfed for PVP, it's nerfed for everyone - even PVE. They don't separate the two.

I think pve would manage if bol was given a increased cost the more you cast it consecutively.

And I think PVP can manage without a nerf.

Probably because you're a templar lmfao, If you play enough PvP and find a small group with a templar are even a 2 man group with a templar and you're running solo, You're not killing that said Templar. Guarantee you're one of these I'm complaining about cause no Templar would want this nerf.

I am not a Templar, so there goes your theory. I am sick and tired of PVE getting nerfed because of PVP. You PVP guys come in here and cry and cry about "Nerf this! Nerf that! I can't kill X so it must be OP! Nerf it and PVE can just suck it up!" - but you never take your own advice. You never want to learn to overcome things you have trouble with, but you expect PVE players to just deal with it so you can have what YOU want. It's not all about you, and it isn't all about PVP, no matter if you want it to be or not. Go play LoL or some other game geared towards PVP if you want everything focused on that aspect of the game. This game happens to have both, and both need to be considered when making changes.

Why? Cause PvP is way more competetive then pve will ever be. I went into vma for my first time ever the other night not knowing wtf I was doing and got to round 7 on my PvP build... PvE is easy and always has been

If pve is so easy then you are fine with Zeni removing The Golden so you would have to start doing dungeons and grinding pve zones for your gear again, right?

Or are you going to stfu because you said something you didn't really mean, and haven't thought through the consequences?

Ohhgrizyyy

Cryptical wrote: »

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

Syrani wrote: »

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

Syrani wrote: »

Smmokkee wrote: »

Syrani wrote: »

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

I stated it's broken for PvP, In Pve it's fine but cause that's honestly not really as competitive content, Yes you have trials but in trials it revolves around healing springs alot, PvP it revolves around BoL spamming everyone to full health and it's incredibly broken

Except in this game, when something gets nerfed for PVP, it's nerfed for everyone - even PVE. They don't separate the two.

I think pve would manage if bol was given a increased cost the more you cast it consecutively.

And I think PVP can manage without a nerf.

Probably because you're a templar lmfao, If you play enough PvP and find a small group with a templar are even a 2 man group with a templar and you're running solo, You're not killing that said Templar. Guarantee you're one of these I'm complaining about cause no Templar would want this nerf.

I am not a Templar, so there goes your theory. I am sick and tired of PVE getting nerfed because of PVP. You PVP guys come in here and cry and cry about "Nerf this! Nerf that! I can't kill X so it must be OP! Nerf it and PVE can just suck it up!" - but you never take your own advice. You never want to learn to overcome things you have trouble with, but you expect PVE players to just deal with it so you can have what YOU want. It's not all about you, and it isn't all about PVP, no matter if you want it to be or not. Go play LoL or some other game geared towards PVP if you want everything focused on that aspect of the game. This game happens to have both, and both need to be considered when making changes.

Why? Cause PvP is way more competetive then pve will ever be. I went into vma for my first time ever the other night not knowing wtf I was doing and got to round 7 on my PvP build... PvE is easy and always has been

If pve is so easy then you are fine with Zeni removing The Golden so you would have to start doing dungeons and grinding pve zones for your gear again, right?

Or are you going to stfu because you said something you didn't really mean, and haven't thought through the consequences?

I'd be fine them removing the golden lmfao. The sets most the the time are crap in PvP and the shoulders are in impen which again most sets are crap for PvP and the the infused ones are crap cause it's infused and I don't know who would spend 200k for a pair of those shoulders. I can't remember the last time I bought something from the golden..And I'm fine having to farm my gear. I don't like it but the golden very rarely sells something I want, I know people do need the stuff sometimes but me not usually. I spent 4 days farming spinners to get body pieces divines/infused and try and get a staff and in those 4 days of being in the public dungeon killing 3 bosses every 15-20 mins for a total of at least 16+ hours I never saw 1 sharpened drop let alone an Inferno Staff drop so I had to trade someone 30 dreugh wax I spent a night farming in Bangkorai farming bears for. So trust me I know the PvE grind. I half PvP and half PvE.

aLi3nZ

Sorc can't really complain about Templar. Sorc has their own bol which is the twilight heal + can easily put on healing ward then slap on hardened ward over the top. The only thing that can kill this is very high damage along with cc.

I sometimes like to run into groups with eye of storm and of course there is 1 or two templars just standing there spamming bol. So long as I can cc them while eye of storm is up and focus them they usually die.

Ohhgrizyyy

aLi3nZ wrote: »

Sorc can't really complain about Templar. Sorc has their own bol which is the twilight heal + can easily put on healing ward then slap on hardened ward over the top. The only thing that can kill this is very high damage along with cc.

I sometimes like to run into groups with eye of storm and of course there is 1 or two templars just standing there spamming bol. So long as I can cc them while eye of storm is up and focus them they usually die.

Only people who use the Twilight heal are Necropotence builds or sorc healers so meh. And I should start using destro ult tbh it's literally a win button but I just prefer comboing with comet or I get satisfaction when I Curse, Fury, Empowered Comet then streak through them to stun them and guarantee comet hit. Love streaking through them to turn around see a dead body lmao. I've even 1 shotted some squishy ass players just with a comet lol

TequilaFire

If anything needs nerfed it's Mages's Wrath with the implosion passive.

Volrion

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

I am not advocating for a nerf or anything but can anyone tell me how to kill a magplar using BoL in a 1v1? (As a magdk)

Please. I am desperate. It's like hitting a wall.

As a MDK it's not BoL that's the problem, it's purifying ritual cleansing all your dots.

Ep1kMalware

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

Gonna sound like a cry baby but really grinds my gears on a magsorc to burst down a heavy armor templar them be in execute range just to hit Bol once and go all the way back up to full....And it's PvP and heals are supposed to be cut in half? Will BoL ever see any kind of nerf or are we gonna leave magplars to be the most frustrating and annoying classes to play against in pvp?

Nerf sorcs. I have the exact same problem with their shields. So nerf the hell out of them.

technohic

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

"Templar killed me, nerf pls"

Is this the whole crux of this thrrad? I mean, come on ...

I get killed in PVP by templars, NB's, Sorcs, DK's and I don't come on here shouting for a nerf. I merely rez or get resurrected and go and get them back in return.

I didn't die to the Templar I tried bursting him and and he fully healed from about 10% when he had 30k hp and I knocked him on his ass for him to break and his butt buddy stam sorc just comes over and hits me with a 10k dizzying and melts me lmao. Just overall I think BoL is dumb especially when you have a templar that won't die when they are outnumbered 5:1

So a 30k HP templar with that much health also had enough magicka and spell power to heal for 27k according to your math which would be 54k outside of Cyrodiil.

Got it.

Guess I'm clueless then but he had 30k health and healed fully from execute range with 1 BoL so. Also you act like that's hard when my stam dk can get 34k max stam, 26k hp, 3400 weapon dmg and 30k resistances with 2h/bow....The BoL coulda crit who knows. But I know what I saw and he healed from execute range to full with 1 BoL

Why are you comparing stam and weapon damage and still 4k health off? Whats even the point? Is there some stam ability you meant to talk about with that setup that has the same base damage as BOLs base healing that hits for 27k?

Are you sure it was BOL and not rememberance?

I saw him magically waive his hand so pretty sure it was BoL

Well thats impressive. All I can think is if it was an argonian and they were heavily stacked in healing in CP and sets. I'd say I would like to have that build but I wouldn't. My frustration as a templar was that it was pushing people toward a zergling who built around BOL and Radiant Opression sitting in the back of the crowd. I know I have to change my templar for vet trials but I like it as is with a bit of tank, a bit of heals, and a bit of damage but certainly does not excel any of those like the templar you describe. It's why I run NB in PvP lately. I group and support the team but Im not anyones healbot.

Ohhgrizyyy

technohic wrote: »

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

"Templar killed me, nerf pls"

Is this the whole crux of this thrrad? I mean, come on ...

I get killed in PVP by templars, NB's, Sorcs, DK's and I don't come on here shouting for a nerf. I merely rez or get resurrected and go and get them back in return.

I didn't die to the Templar I tried bursting him and and he fully healed from about 10% when he had 30k hp and I knocked him on his ass for him to break and his butt buddy stam sorc just comes over and hits me with a 10k dizzying and melts me lmao. Just overall I think BoL is dumb especially when you have a templar that won't die when they are outnumbered 5:1

So a 30k HP templar with that much health also had enough magicka and spell power to heal for 27k according to your math which would be 54k outside of Cyrodiil.

Got it.

Guess I'm clueless then but he had 30k health and healed fully from execute range with 1 BoL so. Also you act like that's hard when my stam dk can get 34k max stam, 26k hp, 3400 weapon dmg and 30k resistances with 2h/bow....The BoL coulda crit who knows. But I know what I saw and he healed from execute range to full with 1 BoL

Why are you comparing stam and weapon damage and still 4k health off? Whats even the point? Is there some stam ability you meant to talk about with that setup that has the same base damage as BOLs base healing that hits for 27k?

Are you sure it was BOL and not rememberance?

I saw him magically waive his hand so pretty sure it was BoL

Well thats impressive. All I can think is if it was an argonian and they were heavily stacked in healing in CP and sets. I'd say I would like to have that build but I wouldn't. My frustration as a templar was that it was pushing people toward a zergling who built around BOL and Radiant Opression sitting in the back of the crowd. I know I have to change my templar for vet trials but I like it as is with a bit of tank, a bit of heals, and a bit of damage but certainly does not excel any of those like the templar you describe. It's why I run NB in PvP lately. I group and support the team but Im not anyones healbot.

Honestly might have been a bit of exaggeration when I say 10% health but he was in execute range and I know he had 30.4k health and healed from execute range to full and he was Heavy Armor with Sword and Shield. Not sure what race

idk

@FENGRUSH

How does your comments concerning magplar builds compare to a sorc shield stacking?

Sincerely asking.

Ohhgrizyyy

I'll admit shield stacking is stupid but if I wanna still burst out good damage and not be forced to wear heavy Juliano's then I have to shield stack. Sorcs literally wouldn't be able to live without shield stacking. I don't honestly know why sorcs get all the hate for it cause magblades and even some mag dk's do it but they both just don't have the hardened ward. And most mag dk's now wear heavy anyway

technohic

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

"Templar killed me, nerf pls"

Is this the whole crux of this thrrad? I mean, come on ...

I get killed in PVP by templars, NB's, Sorcs, DK's and I don't come on here shouting for a nerf. I merely rez or get resurrected and go and get them back in return.

I didn't die to the Templar I tried bursting him and and he fully healed from about 10% when he had 30k hp and I knocked him on his ass for him to break and his butt buddy stam sorc just comes over and hits me with a 10k dizzying and melts me lmao. Just overall I think BoL is dumb especially when you have a templar that won't die when they are outnumbered 5:1

So a 30k HP templar with that much health also had enough magicka and spell power to heal for 27k according to your math which would be 54k outside of Cyrodiil.

Got it.

Guess I'm clueless then but he had 30k health and healed fully from execute range with 1 BoL so. Also you act like that's hard when my stam dk can get 34k max stam, 26k hp, 3400 weapon dmg and 30k resistances with 2h/bow....The BoL coulda crit who knows. But I know what I saw and he healed from execute range to full with 1 BoL

Why are you comparing stam and weapon damage and still 4k health off? Whats even the point? Is there some stam ability you meant to talk about with that setup that has the same base damage as BOLs base healing that hits for 27k?

Are you sure it was BOL and not rememberance?

I saw him magically waive his hand so pretty sure it was BoL

Well thats impressive. All I can think is if it was an argonian and they were heavily stacked in healing in CP and sets. I'd say I would like to have that build but I wouldn't. My frustration as a templar was that it was pushing people toward a zergling who built around BOL and Radiant Opression sitting in the back of the crowd. I know I have to change my templar for vet trials but I like it as is with a bit of tank, a bit of heals, and a bit of damage but certainly does not excel any of those like the templar you describe. It's why I run NB in PvP lately. I group and support the team but Im not anyones healbot.

Honestly might have been a bit of exaggeration when I say 10% health but he was in execute range and I know he had 30.4k health and healed from execute range to full and he was Heavy Armor with Sword and Shield. Not sure what race

I am assuming not Azuras Star, right?

Generally; since I have been running my NB more, I do notice where people have been annoyed by things like Radiant Opression (although not lately, as I still see people spam it but I can cloak out, and LOS it since the last patch and it does not hit hard at all) or the prophecy of the light which is the new favorite, but I also manage to get out of damage while its is on me, and get a good vigor going. I just notice the things people complain about but BOL has not been something I have seen from the other end. But I run in Azuras.