BoL nerf? Ever?!?!?

laksikus

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

Syrani wrote: »

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

Syrani wrote: »

Smmokkee wrote: »

Syrani wrote: »

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

I stated it's broken for PvP, In Pve it's fine but cause that's honestly not really as competitive content, Yes you have trials but in trials it revolves around healing springs alot, PvP it revolves around BoL spamming everyone to full health and it's incredibly broken

Except in this game, when something gets nerfed for PVP, it's nerfed for everyone - even PVE. They don't separate the two.

I think pve would manage if bol was given a increased cost the more you cast it consecutively.

And I think PVP can manage without a nerf.

Probably because you're a templar lmfao, If you play enough PvP and find a small group with a templar are even a 2 man group with a templar and you're running solo, You're not killing that said Templar. Guarantee you're one of these I'm complaining about cause no Templar would want this nerf.

I am not a Templar, so there goes your theory. I am sick and tired of PVE getting nerfed because of PVP. You PVP guys come in here and cry and cry about "Nerf this! Nerf that! I can't kill X so it must be OP! Nerf it and PVE can just suck it up!" - but you never take your own advice. You never want to learn to overcome things you have trouble with, but you expect PVE players to just deal with it so you can have what YOU want. It's not all about you, and it isn't all about PVP, no matter if you want it to be or not. Go play LoL or some other game geared towards PVP if you want everything focused on that aspect of the game. This game happens to have both, and both need to be considered when making changes.

Why? Cause PvP is way more competetive then pve will ever be. I went into vma for my first time ever the other night not knowing wtf I was doing and got to round 7 on my PvP build... PvE is easy and always has been

you are a mag sorc. your pvp skills are basically your pve solo skills: frags, force pulse, execute, hzealing ward, hardened ward. try it without shieldstacking and see how competetive it is. try a 600k score

technohic

So someone bursts to start and expects everything to die rather than save their burst for the end and get mad theres a counter.

I'm glad I haven't been running my templar lately. My Vigor has been better in PvP and has less wining.

Ohhgrizyyy

laksikus wrote: »

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

Syrani wrote: »

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

Syrani wrote: »

Smmokkee wrote: »

Syrani wrote: »

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

I stated it's broken for PvP, In Pve it's fine but cause that's honestly not really as competitive content, Yes you have trials but in trials it revolves around healing springs alot, PvP it revolves around BoL spamming everyone to full health and it's incredibly broken

Except in this game, when something gets nerfed for PVP, it's nerfed for everyone - even PVE. They don't separate the two.

I think pve would manage if bol was given a increased cost the more you cast it consecutively.

And I think PVP can manage without a nerf.

Probably because you're a templar lmfao, If you play enough PvP and find a small group with a templar are even a 2 man group with a templar and you're running solo, You're not killing that said Templar. Guarantee you're one of these I'm complaining about cause no Templar would want this nerf.

I am not a Templar, so there goes your theory. I am sick and tired of PVE getting nerfed because of PVP. You PVP guys come in here and cry and cry about "Nerf this! Nerf that! I can't kill X so it must be OP! Nerf it and PVE can just suck it up!" - but you never take your own advice. You never want to learn to overcome things you have trouble with, but you expect PVE players to just deal with it so you can have what YOU want. It's not all about you, and it isn't all about PVP, no matter if you want it to be or not. Go play LoL or some other game geared towards PVP if you want everything focused on that aspect of the game. This game happens to have both, and both need to be considered when making changes.

Why? Cause PvP is way more competetive then pve will ever be. I went into vma for my first time ever the other night not knowing wtf I was doing and got to round 7 on my PvP build... PvE is easy and always has been

you are a mag sorc. your pvp skills are basically your pve solo skills: frags, force pulse, execute, hzealing ward, hardened ward. try it without shieldstacking and see how competetive it is. try a 600k score

That's why people run necropotence and have 31k shields in vma

idk

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

laksikus wrote: »

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

Syrani wrote: »

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

Syrani wrote: »

Smmokkee wrote: »

Syrani wrote: »

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

I stated it's broken for PvP, In Pve it's fine but cause that's honestly not really as competitive content, Yes you have trials but in trials it revolves around healing springs alot, PvP it revolves around BoL spamming everyone to full health and it's incredibly broken

Except in this game, when something gets nerfed for PVP, it's nerfed for everyone - even PVE. They don't separate the two.

I think pve would manage if bol was given a increased cost the more you cast it consecutively.

And I think PVP can manage without a nerf.

Probably because you're a templar lmfao, If you play enough PvP and find a small group with a templar are even a 2 man group with a templar and you're running solo, You're not killing that said Templar. Guarantee you're one of these I'm complaining about cause no Templar would want this nerf.

I am not a Templar, so there goes your theory. I am sick and tired of PVE getting nerfed because of PVP. You PVP guys come in here and cry and cry about "Nerf this! Nerf that! I can't kill X so it must be OP! Nerf it and PVE can just suck it up!" - but you never take your own advice. You never want to learn to overcome things you have trouble with, but you expect PVE players to just deal with it so you can have what YOU want. It's not all about you, and it isn't all about PVP, no matter if you want it to be or not. Go play LoL or some other game geared towards PVP if you want everything focused on that aspect of the game. This game happens to have both, and both need to be considered when making changes.

Why? Cause PvP is way more competetive then pve will ever be. I went into vma for my first time ever the other night not knowing wtf I was doing and got to round 7 on my PvP build... PvE is easy and always has been

you are a mag sorc. your pvp skills are basically your pve solo skills: frags, force pulse, execute, hzealing ward, hardened ward. try it without shieldstacking and see how competetive it is. try a 600k score

That's why people run necropotence and have 31k shields in vma

Really the pot calling the kettle black. Sorcs can shield stack and Templars can heal. There is a balance there.

Joy_Division

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

Gonna sound like a cry baby but really grinds my gears on a magsorc to burst down a heavy armor templar them be in execute range just to hit Bol once and go all the way back up to full....And it's PvP and heals are supposed to be cut in half? Will BoL ever see any kind of nerf or are we gonna leave magplars to be the most frustrating and annoying classes to play against in pvp?

Yep. You sound like a crybaby. Been nerfed twice already.

I don't suppose you complain when you shield stack and make yourself all but invincible to a templar?

f047ys3v3n

I don't know how to tell you this. Breath of life is a bad skill. Newer players think that it is good because it is button you push to get a big heal. There is no planning required and it feels like you are really getting somewhere. When you first start it really feels great when you have an oh crap button to hit that big heal. Truth is that the amount of healing you are getting relative to the cost makes it one of the worst heals in the game. It costs a fortune, doesn't have any lasting HOT effect, does nothing except heal, and, due to it's magnitude, is often mostly wasted in overheal. Power surge, crit surge, rend, funnel health, puncturing sweeps, even vigor. These are what good heals look like. I call breath of life the death spiral. Once you hit the first one of those you are dead. All you will be able to do is spam breath while I damage you. You will neither be able to keep up with the damage nor be able to sustain the breath spamming because of cost. It is a bad skill pure and simple. It has been hit with the nerf bat to the point of sucking. If you are not out damaging a guy who is reduced to breath spamming you need to do more damage.

max_only

f047ys3v3n wrote: »

I call breath of life the death spiral. Once you hit the first one of those you are dead. All you will be able to do is spam breath while I damage you. You will neither be able to keep up with the damage nor be able to sustain the breath spamming because of cost.

This.

I prefer to heal in PVP and lemme tell ya, once I'm down to BOL spam it's basically my Hail Mary that the rest of the team gets there soon. I'm not a templar tank, just a simple healer farming my crops so I rarely pvp, but when I do, I try to secretly pump out the health and resources until the enemy realizes and crushes me. If you got me BOL spamming, it's basically my swan song. I'm not giving my people resources and wrath and all those other juicy buffs if I'm spamming BOL.

Even specced for sustain like I am, BOL eats away at even the most massive of mag pools.

It doesn't need a nerf, you need to find a counter like people in this thread have already suggested.

Sheezabeast

Before you cry nerf, please, remember the templars who heal your butt through trials and dungeons and pledges. You really don't want more nerfs to BoL.

Ohhgrizyyy

Sheezabeast wrote: »

Before you cry nerf, please, remember the templars who heal your butt through trials and dungeons and pledges. You really don't want more nerfs to BoL.

BoL is still too bursty of a heal imo or cost too little for a full hp heal. Secondly for dungeons and trials it's not even a primary heal or if someone is only using BoL they shouldn't be healing in the first place.

Sheezabeast

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

Before you cry nerf, please, remember the templars who heal your butt through trials and dungeons and pledges. You really don't want more nerfs to BoL.

BoL is still too bursty of a heal imo or cost too little for a full hp heal. Secondly for dungeons and trials it's not even a primary heal or if someone is only using BoL they shouldn't be healing in the first place.

So much of what you described can be attributed to the templars CP selection, with how many they have in Blessed. And cost reduction CP passive. So essentially the skill itself, with these things in mind, does it deserve to be nerfed or cost increased? It doesn't seem fair or feasible or rational.

olsborg

TequilaFire wrote: »

Sorcs...
You have the power to completely shut my healing down with negate and still you cry.

Cause its so hard to walk ~6 meters to be able to BoL spam again.

Sheezabeast

There are also healing debuffs that all classes can use, too. And you can use poisons...

SnubbS

You're not going to kill a heavy armor magplar as a MagSorc unless you can just burst them down. If they're Healplars, you're not going to kill them—if they're DDs in heavy, just time your burst combo. You should be able to burst them—should.

BFT88

This thread reeks of git gud. You're a bad magsorc if you cry about not being able to burst a temp. And please, let's discuss the your shield stacking and streaking. What SHOULD be nerfed, IS YOUR SHIELD STACKING.

Ohhgrizyyy

Sheezabeast wrote: »

There are also healing debuffs that all classes can use, too. And you can use poisons...

Sorcs have no healing debuffs again unless of course negate which I won't have while running solo. I'll have comet or Destro ulti and overload

Sheezabeast

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

There are also healing debuffs that all classes can use, too. And you can use poisons...

Sorcs have no healing debuffs again unless of course negate which I won't have while running solo. I'll have comet or Destro ulti and overload

nothing stops you from running Fasallas Guile or Duraks Bane, jewerly and DW and you can back bar destro....fasallas and necropotence and whatever monster set would work, yeah jewerly is healthy but you can easily get 35k mag without mag jewerly, using Inner Light and Sorc abilities slotted.

Ohhgrizyyy

Sheezabeast wrote: »

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

There are also healing debuffs that all classes can use, too. And you can use poisons...

Sorcs have no healing debuffs again unless of course negate which I won't have while running solo. I'll have comet or Destro ulti and overload

nothing stops you from running Fasallas Guile or Duraks Bane, jewerly and DW and you can back bar destro....fasallas and necropotence and whatever monster set would work, yeah jewerly is healthy but you can easily get 35k mag without mag jewerly, using Inner Light and Sorc abilities slotted.

Never seen a magsorc use fasallas or Duraks...Why? Because it doesn't work and isn't ment to be done. You're throwing *** out their that will *** over their healing but *** over any and all of my damage so. Using Fasalla's on what's supposed to be a bursty magsorc is one of the stupidest things I've heard tbh

Volrion

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

Syrani wrote: »

Smmokkee wrote: »

Syrani wrote: »

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

I stated it's broken for PvP, In Pve it's fine but cause that's honestly not really as competitive content, Yes you have trials but in trials it revolves around healing springs alot, PvP it revolves around BoL spamming everyone to full health and it's incredibly broken

Except in this game, when something gets nerfed for PVP, it's nerfed for everyone - even PVE. They don't separate the two.

I think pve would manage if bol was given a increased cost the more you cast it consecutively.

And I think PVP can manage without a nerf.

Probably because you're a templar lmfao, If you play enough PvP and find a small group with a templar are even a 2 man group with a templar and you're running solo, You're not killing that said Templar. Guarantee you're one of these I'm complaining about cause no Templar would want this nerf.

Ridiculous thread. L2P, OP.

Ohhgrizyyy

Volrion wrote: »

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

Syrani wrote: »

Smmokkee wrote: »

Syrani wrote: »

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

I stated it's broken for PvP, In Pve it's fine but cause that's honestly not really as competitive content, Yes you have trials but in trials it revolves around healing springs alot, PvP it revolves around BoL spamming everyone to full health and it's incredibly broken

Except in this game, when something gets nerfed for PVP, it's nerfed for everyone - even PVE. They don't separate the two.

I think pve would manage if bol was given a increased cost the more you cast it consecutively.

And I think PVP can manage without a nerf.

Probably because you're a templar lmfao, If you play enough PvP and find a small group with a templar are even a 2 man group with a templar and you're running solo, You're not killing that said Templar. Guarantee you're one of these I'm complaining about cause no Templar would want this nerf.

Ridiculous thread. L2P, OP.

You tell me if you haven't had a 10+ man group or seen 1 and found a 2-3 man group and there's a templar you are trying to focus down but can't cause they just block cast spam Bol? It's happened to everyone and it's broken

Sheezabeast

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

There are also healing debuffs that all classes can use, too. And you can use poisons...

Sorcs have no healing debuffs again unless of course negate which I won't have while running solo. I'll have comet or Destro ulti and overload

nothing stops you from running Fasallas Guile or Duraks Bane, jewerly and DW and you can back bar destro....fasallas and necropotence and whatever monster set would work, yeah jewerly is healthy but you can easily get 35k mag without mag jewerly, using Inner Light and Sorc abilities slotted.

Never seen a magsorc use fasallas or Duraks...Why? Because it doesn't work and isn't ment to be done. You're throwing *** out their that will *** over their healing but *** over any and all of my damage so. Using Fasalla's on what's supposed to be a bursty magsorc is one of the stupidest things I've heard tbh

well you crying nerf on the best healing spell in the game for the healing class because you're having trouble countering mechanics, well thats the stupidist thing I've heard today, so how about we agree to disagree but be aware that other people in other scenarios would be hurt by the nerf and its you being short-sighted in rising to the challenge.

Plus you can run Crushing Shock to interrupt them casting it, as well as any other destro stun ability...dude you have so many options

Ohhgrizyyy

Sheezabeast wrote: »

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

There are also healing debuffs that all classes can use, too. And you can use poisons...

Sorcs have no healing debuffs again unless of course negate which I won't have while running solo. I'll have comet or Destro ulti and overload

nothing stops you from running Fasallas Guile or Duraks Bane, jewerly and DW and you can back bar destro....fasallas and necropotence and whatever monster set would work, yeah jewerly is healthy but you can easily get 35k mag without mag jewerly, using Inner Light and Sorc abilities slotted.

Never seen a magsorc use fasallas or Duraks...Why? Because it doesn't work and isn't ment to be done. You're throwing *** out their that will *** over their healing but *** over any and all of my damage so. Using Fasalla's on what's supposed to be a bursty magsorc is one of the stupidest things I've heard tbh

well you crying nerf on the best healing spell in the game for the healing class because you're having trouble countering mechanics, well thats the stupidist thing I've heard today, so how about we agree to disagree but be aware that other people in other scenarios would be hurt by the nerf and its you being short-sighted in rising to the challenge,

It takes no skill to full heal someone anywhere just by pressing a button, You could be facing a wall and heal someone behind you by pressing 1 button. Want skillful healing? Use a nb healer or wait till Warden comes out. That's when it will be tough and actually take skill to heal but Templars are the easiest and in a way one of the most broken characters. I'll admit shield stacking is kinda broken but it's alot better now then when shields used to last 30 secs a piece instead of 6. But Templars can heal by doing damage. Have a full health heal just by clicking 1 button and they can block cast it. They have the strongest ultimate in the game that can't be roll dodged so you have noobs who only spam it. I get they are a part of the game and have counters but they are a very easy class to play and can make a crap player looks like an amazing one.

Ohhgrizyyy

Sheezabeast wrote: »

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

There are also healing debuffs that all classes can use, too. And you can use poisons...

Sorcs have no healing debuffs again unless of course negate which I won't have while running solo. I'll have comet or Destro ulti and overload

nothing stops you from running Fasallas Guile or Duraks Bane, jewerly and DW and you can back bar destro....fasallas and necropotence and whatever monster set would work, yeah jewerly is healthy but you can easily get 35k mag without mag jewerly, using Inner Light and Sorc abilities slotted.

Never seen a magsorc use fasallas or Duraks...Why? Because it doesn't work and isn't ment to be done. You're throwing *** out their that will *** over their healing but *** over any and all of my damage so. Using Fasalla's on what's supposed to be a bursty magsorc is one of the stupidest things I've heard tbh

well you crying nerf on the best healing spell in the game for the healing class because you're having trouble countering mechanics, well thats the stupidist thing I've heard today, so how about we agree to disagree but be aware that other people in other scenarios would be hurt by the nerf and its you being short-sighted in rising to the challenge.

Plus you can run Crushing Shock to interrupt them casting it, as well as any other destro stun ability...dude you have so many options

*Execute, Not ultimate...a.k.a Radiant

Rev Rielle

Smmokkee wrote: »

Syrani wrote: »

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

I stated it's broken for PvP, In Pve it's fine but cause that's honestly not really as competitive content, Yes you have trials but in trials it revolves around healing springs alot, PvP it revolves around BoL spamming everyone to full health and it's incredibly broken

Except in this game, when something gets nerfed for PVP, it's nerfed for everyone - even PVE. They don't separate the two.

I think pve would manage if bol was given a increased cost the more you cast it consecutively.

Personally i think this should be the case for every skill in the game.

idk

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

There are also healing debuffs that all classes can use, too. And you can use poisons...

Sorcs have no healing debuffs again unless of course negate which I won't have while running solo. I'll have comet or Destro ulti and overload

If you have overload you are the only class with a third skill bar and you also have streak along with dark exchange on that bar. So streak for a great get away and the ability to stack shields and you are complaining about a heal.

I am not suggesting git gud. I am suggesting you better look at what your own character can do before calling for a nerf. It really does not make sense for a sorc to be calling for this nerf.

White wabbit

Here's a solution nerf every skill in the game

KingJ

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

There are also healing debuffs that all classes can use, too. And you can use poisons...

Sorcs have no healing debuffs again unless of course negate which I won't have while running solo. I'll have comet or Destro ulti and overload

If you have overload you are the only class with a third skill bar and you also have streak along with dark exchange on that bar. So streak for a great get away and the ability to stack shields and you are complaining about a heal.

I am not suggesting git gud. I am suggesting you better look at what your own character can do before calling for a nerf. It really does not make sense for a sorc to be calling for this nerf.

To be fair you can say that about any class asking for BOL to be Nerf. If it was a NB people would say he upset he can't 1 shoot instant kill templars and all that.Dk people be made he purged your dots and heal to 100%. In Battle grounds a DPS magplar off healer be the best than a dedicated healer. Since if attacked he can kill the attacker and still provide off healer.Fr fr the main issue is CP.CP has wacked PvP balanced in a way that removing and a straight Nerf is needed to a lot of sits to fix it.

Volrion

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

Volrion wrote: »

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

Syrani wrote: »

Smmokkee wrote: »

Syrani wrote: »

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

I stated it's broken for PvP, In Pve it's fine but cause that's honestly not really as competitive content, Yes you have trials but in trials it revolves around healing springs alot, PvP it revolves around BoL spamming everyone to full health and it's incredibly broken

Except in this game, when something gets nerfed for PVP, it's nerfed for everyone - even PVE. They don't separate the two.

I think pve would manage if bol was given a increased cost the more you cast it consecutively.

And I think PVP can manage without a nerf.

Probably because you're a templar lmfao, If you play enough PvP and find a small group with a templar are even a 2 man group with a templar and you're running solo, You're not killing that said Templar. Guarantee you're one of these I'm complaining about cause no Templar would want this nerf.

Ridiculous thread. L2P, OP.

You tell me if you haven't had a 10+ man group or seen 1 and found a 2-3 man group and there's a templar you are trying to focus down but can't cause they just block cast spam Bol? It's happened to everyone and it's broken

You do realize this is ESO, right?

With some tweaks I'm sure I could make that mag sorc of yours seem "broken" to many players.

This game is completely unbalanced, but BoL is far from being the problem.

Glamdring

BoL is so broken its crazy. if i see a magplar either solo or in a small group i just disengage or just avoid fighting em. most boring class to fight, even more boring than cancertanks.

Zinaroth

A magsorc complaining. How original...

wolfdoggie_ESO

Easy solution to fix BoL is to buff Stamina Templars