BoL nerf? Ever?!?!?

olsborg

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

Gonna sound like a cry baby but really grinds my gears on a magsorc to burst down a heavy armor templar them be in execute range just to hit Bol once and go all the way back up to full....And it's PvP and heals are supposed to be cut in half? Will BoL ever see any kind of nerf or are we gonna leave magplars to be the most frustrating and annoying classes to play against in pvp?

BoL needs cost increase like streak or something else...nerf it.

clocksstoppe

It's not broken it costs a *** load of mana.

Ohhgrizyyy

clocksstoppe wrote: »

It's not broken it costs a *** load of mana.

3k is sooooo much. At very least make it where it can't be flammable, Consecutive use without a certain amount of time it costs gradually more and more. Like streak does

Vaoh

I think the changes to CP will be more than enough. Breath of Life will become quite an expensive skill to cast.

Those Heavy Armor Magplars will not be able to spam like they used to at all.

DrSweetazz

I play a Magplar in pvp and I semi agree with you. They nerfed bol the wrong way. I fully agree with you that it should cost more the more you spam it. But part of it is going to be in your strategy for fighting him. Any Templar that's partially decent at pvp is gonna be cleansing your curses and disrupting your combo, so it really turns into timing your burst and managing their stamina

I'm guessing the Templar you fought was in reactive/lich with troll king or scourger. It's a pain to deal with. mind your ccs and time your burst. Use magika poisons on one of your bars. When that procs between lich procs, they can't spam much more. And like the other guy said, negate will ruin his day.

Syrani

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

Syrani wrote: »

Smmokkee wrote: »

Syrani wrote: »

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

I stated it's broken for PvP, In Pve it's fine but cause that's honestly not really as competitive content, Yes you have trials but in trials it revolves around healing springs alot, PvP it revolves around BoL spamming everyone to full health and it's incredibly broken

Except in this game, when something gets nerfed for PVP, it's nerfed for everyone - even PVE. They don't separate the two.

I think pve would manage if bol was given a increased cost the more you cast it consecutively.

And I think PVP can manage without a nerf.

Probably because you're a templar lmfao, If you play enough PvP and find a small group with a templar are even a 2 man group with a templar and you're running solo, You're not killing that said Templar. Guarantee you're one of these I'm complaining about cause no Templar would want this nerf.

I am not a Templar, so there goes your theory. I am sick and tired of PVE getting nerfed because of PVP. You PVP guys come in here and cry and cry about "Nerf this! Nerf that! I can't kill X so it must be OP! Nerf it and PVE can just suck it up!" - but you never take your own advice. You never want to learn to overcome things you have trouble with, but you expect PVE players to just deal with it so you can have what YOU want. It's not all about you, and it isn't all about PVP, no matter if you want it to be or not. Go play LoL or some other game geared towards PVP if you want everything focused on that aspect of the game. This game happens to have both, and both need to be considered when making changes.

Ohhgrizyyy

Syrani wrote: »

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

Syrani wrote: »

Smmokkee wrote: »

Syrani wrote: »

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

I stated it's broken for PvP, In Pve it's fine but cause that's honestly not really as competitive content, Yes you have trials but in trials it revolves around healing springs alot, PvP it revolves around BoL spamming everyone to full health and it's incredibly broken

Except in this game, when something gets nerfed for PVP, it's nerfed for everyone - even PVE. They don't separate the two.

I think pve would manage if bol was given a increased cost the more you cast it consecutively.

And I think PVP can manage without a nerf.

Probably because you're a templar lmfao, If you play enough PvP and find a small group with a templar are even a 2 man group with a templar and you're running solo, You're not killing that said Templar. Guarantee you're one of these I'm complaining about cause no Templar would want this nerf.

I am not a Templar, so there goes your theory. I am sick and tired of PVE getting nerfed because of PVP. You PVP guys come in here and cry and cry about "Nerf this! Nerf that! I can't kill X so it must be OP! Nerf it and PVE can just suck it up!" - but you never take your own advice. You never want to learn to overcome things you have trouble with, but you expect PVE players to just deal with it so you can have what YOU want. It's not all about you, and it isn't all about PVP, no matter if you want it to be or not. Go play LoL or some other game geared towards PVP if you want everything focused on that aspect of the game. This game happens to have both, and both need to be considered when making changes.

Why? Cause PvP is way more competetive then pve will ever be. I went into vma for my first time ever the other night not knowing wtf I was doing and got to round 7 on my PvP build... PvE is easy and always has been

Ohhgrizyyy

Syrani wrote: »

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

Syrani wrote: »

Smmokkee wrote: »

Syrani wrote: »

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

I stated it's broken for PvP, In Pve it's fine but cause that's honestly not really as competitive content, Yes you have trials but in trials it revolves around healing springs alot, PvP it revolves around BoL spamming everyone to full health and it's incredibly broken

Except in this game, when something gets nerfed for PVP, it's nerfed for everyone - even PVE. They don't separate the two.

I think pve would manage if bol was given a increased cost the more you cast it consecutively.

And I think PVP can manage without a nerf.

Probably because you're a templar lmfao, If you play enough PvP and find a small group with a templar are even a 2 man group with a templar and you're running solo, You're not killing that said Templar. Guarantee you're one of these I'm complaining about cause no Templar would want this nerf.

I am not a Templar, so there goes your theory. I am sick and tired of PVE getting nerfed because of PVP. You PVP guys come in here and cry and cry about "Nerf this! Nerf that! I can't kill X so it must be OP! Nerf it and PVE can just suck it up!" - but you never take your own advice. You never want to learn to overcome things you have trouble with, but you expect PVE players to just deal with it so you can have what YOU want. It's not all about you, and it isn't all about PVP, no matter if you want it to be or not. Go play LoL or some other game geared towards PVP if you want everything focused on that aspect of the game. This game happens to have both, and both need to be considered when making changes.

BoL shouldn't be used as a main heal in PvE anyway. So stop complaining about it. If all you do is use BoL in a dungeon or trial you aren't a healer.

Troneon

Hate to break it to you but ZOS already nerfed it...

Problem is they nerfed it wrong....

Instead of just lowering the number of players it heals and keeping the stupid crit heals of 20-30k BOL...in pve and 10-20k in pvp...

They should of kept the number of people healed and just nerfed the healing amount by about 50% more...maybe increase the cost as well so you have to time it, rather than spam it, plus it would not be an instant full health heal in one hit then.....

We told them this, they didn't listen as always and nothing changed except now it's spammed more...

Everyone has their pet peeve but for now mine is spammable soft CC, I think that is more OP and BS than anything...or worse, being able to repetitively shut down someone else's skill bars over and over...so they can not even fight back....also BS.

Syrani

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

Syrani wrote: »

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

Syrani wrote: »

Smmokkee wrote: »

Syrani wrote: »

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

I stated it's broken for PvP, In Pve it's fine but cause that's honestly not really as competitive content, Yes you have trials but in trials it revolves around healing springs alot, PvP it revolves around BoL spamming everyone to full health and it's incredibly broken

Except in this game, when something gets nerfed for PVP, it's nerfed for everyone - even PVE. They don't separate the two.

I think pve would manage if bol was given a increased cost the more you cast it consecutively.

And I think PVP can manage without a nerf.

Probably because you're a templar lmfao, If you play enough PvP and find a small group with a templar are even a 2 man group with a templar and you're running solo, You're not killing that said Templar. Guarantee you're one of these I'm complaining about cause no Templar would want this nerf.

I am not a Templar, so there goes your theory. I am sick and tired of PVE getting nerfed because of PVP. You PVP guys come in here and cry and cry about "Nerf this! Nerf that! I can't kill X so it must be OP! Nerf it and PVE can just suck it up!" - but you never take your own advice. You never want to learn to overcome things you have trouble with, but you expect PVE players to just deal with it so you can have what YOU want. It's not all about you, and it isn't all about PVP, no matter if you want it to be or not. Go play LoL or some other game geared towards PVP if you want everything focused on that aspect of the game. This game happens to have both, and both need to be considered when making changes.

Why? Cause PvP is way more competetive then pve will ever be. I went into vma for my first time ever the other night not knowing wtf I was doing and got to round 7 on my PvP build... PvE is easy and always has been

Why didn't you beat the whole thing, you know, since it's so easy?

It doesn't matter if you think PVE is easy or not (not all of it is). It can actually be just as competitive as PVP, but I know you will never admit that. In fact, some of the WORST PVE players I have seen have been PVP players, yet they all say it's "easy", when in reality they have only done questing. It doesn't matter what you think about PVE. What matters is that this game has both, and before changes are made, both have to be considered.

BRogueNZ

Smmokkee wrote: »

BRogueNZ wrote: »

Smmokkee wrote: »

BoL getting defense? Lol are you kidding me. You can literally stand there and just spam bol and be damn near unlikable. It's way to easy to use and way to effective for how easy it is to use.

I'm sorry but magplar is broke, you can build to do it all with no downside. It's just funny you guys can defend it.

The guy who said to put lethal arrow on.. LOL. Lethal arrow is pointless against magplars and the healing reduction cp barely scratches their healing capabilities.

If we are gonna leave bol how it is make it so the player that is spamming it has cost increase just like from roll dodging and also make it so they can't be staring at a wall pressing one button and being damn near unkillable.

Considering the focus healers get are you surprised they turn tank?
As I mentioned above you're free to ignore them most of the time if you're group separates and focus other targets down first. That's the counter if they won't go down, wailing away on them, all you're probably doing is giving them wrath and resources while the DD's they run with wreck your allies.

They turned tank and kept their awesome healing capabilities with more survivabiltity, sustain and good damage.. tell me again how that isn't broke.

You've seen the amount of burst and damage about in pvp I assume.

DD's want it all to go their way and have done since day one.
A healer is there to remind them there is more than one role in this game and if its messing up their game - AP they need to think about it some instead of sniping into a crit charge > dizzying swing and expecting everyone to just fall over and not build against the often insane burst.

BRogueNZ

And it will be nerfed.

Cost reduction and regen if you havn't heard come Morriwind.

DPS will keep their burst and penetration don't worry about that....

TequilaFire

Sorcs...
You have the power to completely shut my healing down with negate and still you cry.

Splattercat_83

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

Gonna sound like a cry baby but really grinds my gears on a magsorc to burst down a heavy armor templar them be in execute range just to hit Bol once and go all the way back up to full....And it's PvP and heals are supposed to be cut in half? Will BoL ever see any kind of nerf or are we gonna leave magplars to be the most frustrating and annoying classes to play against in pvp?

It's been nerfed twice from it's original glory already and doesn't need anymore. It would make it useless in PvE as well.

Just learn to play and time your stuns. Rely more on your other damaging abilities and less on mages wrath and c frags

Syrani

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

Syrani wrote: »

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

Syrani wrote: »

Smmokkee wrote: »

Syrani wrote: »

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

I stated it's broken for PvP, In Pve it's fine but cause that's honestly not really as competitive content, Yes you have trials but in trials it revolves around healing springs alot, PvP it revolves around BoL spamming everyone to full health and it's incredibly broken

Except in this game, when something gets nerfed for PVP, it's nerfed for everyone - even PVE. They don't separate the two.

I think pve would manage if bol was given a increased cost the more you cast it consecutively.

And I think PVP can manage without a nerf.

Probably because you're a templar lmfao, If you play enough PvP and find a small group with a templar are even a 2 man group with a templar and you're running solo, You're not killing that said Templar. Guarantee you're one of these I'm complaining about cause no Templar would want this nerf.

I am not a Templar, so there goes your theory. I am sick and tired of PVE getting nerfed because of PVP. You PVP guys come in here and cry and cry about "Nerf this! Nerf that! I can't kill X so it must be OP! Nerf it and PVE can just suck it up!" - but you never take your own advice. You never want to learn to overcome things you have trouble with, but you expect PVE players to just deal with it so you can have what YOU want. It's not all about you, and it isn't all about PVP, no matter if you want it to be or not. Go play LoL or some other game geared towards PVP if you want everything focused on that aspect of the game. This game happens to have both, and both need to be considered when making changes.

BoL shouldn't be used as a main heal in PvE anyway. So stop complaining about it. If all you do is use BoL in a dungeon or trial you aren't a healer.

I already told you I wasn't a Templar. You tell me to "stop complaining", and yet here YOU are, complaining. And in typical PVP player fashion, it's all about you, and what YOU want. You really are starting to sound like a toddler throwing a tantrum.

Dral_Shady

[quote="Ohhgrizyyy;332738"magplars to be the most frustrating and annoying classes to play against in pvp?[/quote]

No thats mag sorcs.

Anyway once again the problem here is CP. Go play in Azura and you wont see those same heal numbers.

Smmokkee

Syrani wrote: »

Smmokkee wrote: »

Syrani wrote: »

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

I stated it's broken for PvP, In Pve it's fine but cause that's honestly not really as competitive content, Yes you have trials but in trials it revolves around healing springs alot, PvP it revolves around BoL spamming everyone to full health and it's incredibly broken

Except in this game, when something gets nerfed for PVP, it's nerfed for everyone - even PVE. They don't separate the two.

I think pve would manage if bol was given a increased cost the more you cast it consecutively.

And I think PVP can manage without a nerf.

Lol, delusions from fantasy island.

Pvp needs all the nerfs.

Jawasa

@Ohhgrizyyy I don't think you can just nerf one class defining skill and then leave the rest of the game as it is. For example if we nerf BOL we need to nerf vigor, dragons blood and hardned ward just to not inbalance the game.

cpuScientist

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

Moloch1514 wrote: »

It's been nerfed. They even reduced how many people were healed.

Well it's still insane, Literally made this post cause I went through my rotation twice on a 30k heavy magplar, For him to hit Bol once to heal him from about 10% all the way back to full.

It doesn't heal anywhere near that much. That's a 27k heal you are claiming. It's not even that good in PVE... It's a strong heal sure. But you're stacking shields it's more frustrating dealing with that by far, oh in execute and shield shield frag shield, steak shield frag shield burst combo burst combo shield frag shield steak frag burst burst burst shield shield burst burst....

Shadow_Viper_vX

It's Fine, Learn to Play

Adapt and Overcome

Stop Crying...

Prof_Bawbag

But, but he doesn't not want to use his shields. Just like NB's don't want to stop being able to constantly cloak.

You actually see all the double standards even when you're duelling. Some people basically just want you to stand there and handicap yourself whilst they will happily use every potent skill in their rotation. I'll be fair to sorcs, they get the saltiness from some people too complaining about them hiding behind their pets.

You're a scrub if you use BoL
You're a scrub if you use jabs
You're a scrub if you use heavy armour
You're a scrub if use use dark flare (yes, a skill which takes about the same time to cast as going to the loo and making a cup of tea)
You're a srub if you don't die quick enough
You're a scrub if you die too quickly
You're a scrub if you accept their duel and defeat 'em

As a magplar myself, I hate DK's with their talon spamming. Not because it directly kills me, far from it, it just becomes a constant root, heal, root, heal fest which neither party can win.

danno8

TequilaFire wrote: »

Sorcs...
You have the power to completely shut my healing down with negate and still you cry.

Bide your time. Cast negate on them when they get at half health, when they roll dodge away, use a hard CC and finish them. It's like CCing them twice in a row.

UppGRAYxDD

Nerf these nerf Templar threads...

Bigevilpeter

Well magsorc are the most OP class in the game now period, just cause you need to l2p doesn't mean they should nerf other classes

Ohhgrizyyy

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Well magsorc are the most OP class in the game now period, just cause you need to l2p doesn't mean they should nerf other classes

I'll agree stam sorcs are really strong...But have you seen stam dk's? Lmao

waterfairy

danno8 wrote: »

You know how frustrating it is to be a Magplar and manage to burst down a Sorc to half health with our sub-par burst capabilities, only to have them hit HW once and cover their whole health bar with a shield and teleport away, over and over again.

Or to never actually be able to get through the shield(s) in the first place?

I ain't calling for a nerf though.

Once they hit half health you just nuke them with your beam that was nerfed but still OP.

KingYogi415

Days without a templar nerf thread: 58

Dam it nvm...

UppGRAYxDD

KingYogi415 wrote: »

Days without a templar nerf thread:58

Dam it nvm...

Lol, more like minutes...

flguy147ub17_ESO

strikeback1247 wrote: »

Apherius wrote: »

what is Bol plz ?

Ball of lightning

Dont worry, we use streak, oh wait, we get CCed by our own abilities, Streak Lives Matter!

laksikus

i dont play a magplar in pve and i dont agree with you. bol is fine.
its just a l2p issue.


btw: you can get some nearly as strong heals on sorc too.