BoL nerf? Ever?!?!?

Ohhgrizyyy

wolfdoggie_ESO wrote: »

Easy solution to fix BoL is to buff Stamina Templars

Oh hell no lmao, Stamplars are up and coming and people are now realizing how strong they actually are lmao

Iyas

Bol alone is not OP but in combo with heavy armor and permablocking is def. overperforming.

Same for sorc. One shield alone is not strong but combine is with harness magicka and shieldstacking is overperforming.

And healing is too easy in general. Smart healing is the most boring mechanic I ve ever encountered in a MMO and my main is a healplar. There is no skill envolved in healing everyone around you with Bol.

Strider_Roshin

There is an issue with Breath of Life, and it's one that many others have identified. It makes healing way too easy. There are plenty of good potential healing builds with the other classes in this game, and the warden in particular looks like a fun healing class, but the issue is that it requires so much more skill to be a non-templar healer, and it's not rewarding to be a non-templar. Because no matter no matter how good you may get a healing, a Templar can be just as good if not better with so much less skill.

That's my issue with BoL. It's so strong, and so easy to be successful with, that it discourages competition.

Gandrhulf_Harbard

Syrani wrote: »

I am not a Templar, so there goes your theory. I am sick and tired of PVE getting nerfed because of PVP. You PVP guys come in here and cry and cry about "Nerf this! Nerf that! I can't kill X so it must be OP! Nerf it and PVE can just suck it up!" - but you never take your own advice. You never want to learn to overcome things you have trouble with, but you expect PVE players to just deal with it so you can have what YOU want. It's not all about you, and it isn't all about PVP, no matter if you want it to be or not. Go play LoL or some other game geared towards PVP if you want everything focused on that aspect of the game. This game happens to have both, and both need to be considered when making changes.

^ This

I see lots of people complaining that the PvE element of this game has been dumbed down to faceroll-easymode level.

And I see lots of players from PvP whose first course of action when they encounter something they can't overcome is to call for it to be nerfed.

And very often those same PvPer are the ones saying they only PvP because PvE is faceroll-easymode.

In PvP if you encounter a situation you can't overcome 99% of the time it is a L2P issue, not a "something needs nerfing" issue.

But hey, we can assume the next update will include tons of PvE nerfs/changes because some people in PvP are too lazy to L2P.

All The Best

Brrrofski

Major mending is just strong in PvP.

A stam dk or stamplar can vigor and rally to full just as easy.

Magica Templar solo is not an easy class to play. If pressure is on you and you play defensive, you'll run out of resources faulty quick. A templar on the defensive cannot kill you. They lack real busy like a stam class or magica sorc/nightbalde does.

Plus let's be honest, sorcs are incredibly strong at the moment so calling for other class nerfs is kinda crazy. You can shield, stay offensive, lining up crazy good burst and let surge and frags heal you back up.

For reference, I play stam dk, stamplar, magica sorc and a saptank in PvP. Rarely touch my magplar. So I don't have bias towards them.

Keep pressure on and they won't kill you.

hmsdragonfly

I am not advocating for a nerf or anything but can anyone tell me how to kill a magplar using BoL in a 1v1? (As a magdk)

Please. I am desperate. It's like hitting a wall.

hmsdragonfly

Syrani wrote: »

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

Syrani wrote: »

Smmokkee wrote: »

Syrani wrote: »

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

I stated it's broken for PvP, In Pve it's fine but cause that's honestly not really as competitive content, Yes you have trials but in trials it revolves around healing springs alot, PvP it revolves around BoL spamming everyone to full health and it's incredibly broken

Except in this game, when something gets nerfed for PVP, it's nerfed for everyone - even PVE. They don't separate the two.

I think pve would manage if bol was given a increased cost the more you cast it consecutively.

And I think PVP can manage without a nerf.

Probably because you're a templar lmfao, If you play enough PvP and find a small group with a templar are even a 2 man group with a templar and you're running solo, You're not killing that said Templar. Guarantee you're one of these I'm complaining about cause no Templar would want this nerf.

I am not a Templar, so there goes your theory. I am sick and tired of PVE getting nerfed because of PVP. You PVP guys come in here and cry and cry about "Nerf this! Nerf that! I can't kill X so it must be OP! Nerf it and PVE can just suck it up!" - but you never take your own advice. You never want to learn to overcome things you have trouble with, but you expect PVE players to just deal with it so you can have what YOU want. It's not all about you, and it isn't all about PVP, no matter if you want it to be or not. Go play LoL or some other game geared towards PVP if you want everything focused on that aspect of the game. This game happens to have both, and both need to be considered when making changes.

As someone who plays both PvE and PvP, I really don't understand this attitude from PvEers. Many things that are OP in PvP also happen to be OP in PvE as well. Of course no one complains because mobs (who are on the receiving ends) cannot file reports to ZOS. With this level of salt, you will be a great LoL player.

Anyway, if you have any suggestion of how i can overcome a magplar in a 1v1, I am all open for it. I am not advocating for a nerf or anything.

laksikus

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

laksikus wrote: »

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

Syrani wrote: »

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

Syrani wrote: »

Smmokkee wrote: »

Syrani wrote: »

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

I stated it's broken for PvP, In Pve it's fine but cause that's honestly not really as competitive content, Yes you have trials but in trials it revolves around healing springs alot, PvP it revolves around BoL spamming everyone to full health and it's incredibly broken

Except in this game, when something gets nerfed for PVP, it's nerfed for everyone - even PVE. They don't separate the two.

I think pve would manage if bol was given a increased cost the more you cast it consecutively.

And I think PVP can manage without a nerf.

Probably because you're a templar lmfao, If you play enough PvP and find a small group with a templar are even a 2 man group with a templar and you're running solo, You're not killing that said Templar. Guarantee you're one of these I'm complaining about cause no Templar would want this nerf.

I am not a Templar, so there goes your theory. I am sick and tired of PVE getting nerfed because of PVP. You PVP guys come in here and cry and cry about "Nerf this! Nerf that! I can't kill X so it must be OP! Nerf it and PVE can just suck it up!" - but you never take your own advice. You never want to learn to overcome things you have trouble with, but you expect PVE players to just deal with it so you can have what YOU want. It's not all about you, and it isn't all about PVP, no matter if you want it to be or not. Go play LoL or some other game geared towards PVP if you want everything focused on that aspect of the game. This game happens to have both, and both need to be considered when making changes.

Why? Cause PvP is way more competetive then pve will ever be. I went into vma for my first time ever the other night not knowing wtf I was doing and got to round 7 on my PvP build... PvE is easy and always has been

you are a mag sorc. your pvp skills are basically your pve solo skills: frags, force pulse, execute, hzealing ward, hardened ward. try it without shieldstacking and see how competetive it is. try a 600k score

That's why people run necropotence and have 31k shields in vma

No competitive pve Player will Run shield stack in a msa speed Run for leaderboard

hmsdragonfly

laksikus wrote: »

Keep pressure on and they won't kill you.

Here's the deal, you cannot play a sustain war with a magplar, they will slowly outsustain you and kill you in the end.

JD2013

"Templar killed me, nerf pls"

Is this the whole crux of this thrrad? I mean, come on ...

I get killed in PVP by templars, NB's, Sorcs, DK's and I don't come on here shouting for a nerf. I merely rez or get resurrected and go and get them back in return.

stevepdodson_ESO888

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

Gonna sound like a cry baby but really grinds my gears on a magsorc to burst down a heavy armor templar them be in execute range just to hit Bol once and go all the way back up to full....And it's PvP and heals are supposed to be cut in half? Will BoL ever see any kind of nerf or are we gonna leave magplars to be the most frustrating and annoying classes to play against in pvp?

and you will pop up your shields in the same way

AcadianPaladin

Again, I only play PvE.

My magplar healer is a 'full service' healer (HoT, targeted heals, burst heal, debuffs, magicka help, stamina help. . . ) and BoL is important but, frankly, is her least used skill.

My magsorc dps ain't no healer but as a necopotence dual pet sorc, her martriarch can out burst my healer's BoL.

Just sayin'. . . BoL is good but not that strong.

Cinbri

Just curious - when everyone say that "BoL is too OP", does it also means that Honor the Dead morph is too OP too?

hmsdragonfly

JD2013 wrote: »

"Templar killed me, nerf pls"

Is this the whole crux of this thrrad? I mean, come on ...

I get killed in PVP by templars, NB's, Sorcs, DK's and I don't come on here shouting for a nerf. I merely rez or get resurrected and go and get them back in return.

Well it's not about getting killed my magplars, it's about not being able to kill a magplar in a 1v1. I am not advocating for a nerf or anything, I just don't know how to kill them, if anyone knows how to do that, please tell me.

Prof_Bawbag

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

I am not advocating for a nerf or anything but can anyone tell me how to kill a magplar using BoL in a 1v1? (As a magdk)

Please. I am desperate. It's like hitting a wall.

Yeah, don't spam talons and I won't spam BoL. Deal?

Lord_Eomer

Smmokkee wrote: »

BoL getting defense? Lol are you kidding me. You can literally stand there and just spam bol and be damn near unlikable. It's way to easy to use and way to effective for how easy it is to use.

I'm sorry but magplar is broke, you can build to do it all with no downside. It's just funny you guys can defend it.

The guy who said to put lethal arrow on.. LOL. Lethal arrow is pointless against magplars and the healing reduction cp barely scratches their healing capabilities.

If we are gonna leave bol how it is make it so the player that is spamming it has cost increase just like from roll dodging and also make it so they can't be staring at a wall pressing one button and being damn near unkillable.

Healers are for healing, burst heal is important.

This post seems senseless, nerf is not going to help anyway but will destroy another class!

TequilaFire

olsborg wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

Sorcs...
You have the power to completely shut my healing down with negate and still you cry.

Cause its so hard to walk ~6 meters to be able to BoL spam again.

Yeah, if you have enough stam left to break out of the talons or other CC that the sorcs bud put on you.
Try being focused by 10 other players.

Kay1

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

Burst them down without CC. then CC and execute.

use an armor set like: Fasalla's Guile or Crest of Cyrodill or Durok's Bane

Backbar Lethal Arrow for the poison proc, or poison enchantment, put points into the Befoul CP tree. use player made poisons that reduce healing taken.

Not even if you pay me
Not even if you pay me
No
If I use that skill and someone see me I will loose all my well earned PvP respect
Using a whole cp tree for one class shouldn't be an option
That's a nice idea tho, and currently the only available option.

Is not the class that is OP, is people stacking that class.

A good tip I can give to the OP is to always carry meatbag, even in a 1vX, you put heals on and throw one of those to the Templar, it worked for me a lot of times.

Kay1

JD2013 wrote: »

"Templar killed me, nerf pls"

Is this the whole crux of this thrrad? I mean, come on ...

I get killed in PVP by templars, NB's, Sorcs, DK's and I don't come on here shouting for a nerf. I merely rez or get resurrected and go and get them back in return.

I don't think a Templar ever killed the OP.

What happened (I guess) is that the OP faced a group with Templars, as someone who play solo I can understand it, due to the new meta I'm almost forced to run with a group, my guild, and trust me is not balanced that 3 templars can keep alive a full group of 10 while doing damage (most of it due to Eye of Flame and shards)

But don't nerf the class, nothing needs a nerf in this game, everything can be fixed by just reducing range or adding a cd before it can heal again that target or something similar, a direct nerf will just destroy the class.

Savage_Audacity

LOL a magsorc crying nerf hahahaha imagine that...

Savage_Audacity

Leave BoL alone its fine. btw i dont pvp on a templar ever. However, my stamblade rips through ppl trying to heal like a knife through hot butter. first time ive ever said this but it really is a L2P issue.

Mihael

So what do you guys want templars to heal with? Puncturing sweeps? Lol.

ookami007

Same issue. Same resolution.

Don't try to balance PvP and PvE. Impossible. Create 2 separate servers and balance each separately. Want to PvE AND PvP... then chose one and live with the limitations, or create a character on both servers.

That's the ONLY way things will EVER be properly balanced.

The mechanics of PvP vs the mechanics of PvE are nearly diametrically opposed. You use COMPLETELY different strategies from dungeon or raids than you do with PvP.

They CANNOT be reconciled.

technohic

Mihael wrote: »

So what do you guys want templars to heal with? Puncturing sweeps? Lol.

They waant them to die like other glass canons. It's usually a sorc or NB complaining since they rely on bursting targets down quickly. NBs in medium armor and sorcs about the only class that can still pull off light armor with HW. Templars and DKs both lack the burst to do that consistenly or the mobility so they tank up. Sure enough; you will get the same complaints about perma block DKs. It ruins how powerful the think they should be rather than acknowledge some classes are built for burst and some for mitigation.

This all gets magnified with CP as burst gets enhanced to ridiculous levels and so does tanking and healing. The thing is; people start asking for nerfs directly to the classes themselves and they are only going to make it worse for people who are not at CP cap. NBs are taking a hit because there is not much that is going to help survivatbility for medium armor in CP since while you can reduce cost on roll, it doesn't help the non dodgeables that are increasing and getting stronger and increasing defense on medium armor just is not effective. Sorce meanwhile increase their shield strength, so do healthplars, and DKs reduce their block cost and heavy armor wearers in general compensate for any disadvantage of it by reduced spell cost and increased regeneration.

Brrrofski

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

laksikus wrote: »

Keep pressure on and they won't kill you.

Here's the deal, you cannot play a sustain war with a magplar, they will slowly outsustain you and kill you in the end.

You out sustain their stamina. They get up, spam bol twice, get CCed, spam bol twice, get CCed, spam bol twice etc. Eventually either magica or Stam will run out and you kill them. Keep pressure on and line up burst for when their CCed.

Bol is kinda costly. Just spamming that leaves you with no magica pretty quickly.

Jynxe

This is a l2p issue op, sry

FENGRUSH

Shield wall templars!

Jynxe

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Shield wall templars!

I like pie

JDC1985

This is a complete learn to play issue

hmsdragonfly

Brrrofski wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

laksikus wrote: »

Keep pressure on and they won't kill you.

Here's the deal, you cannot play a sustain war with a magplar, they will slowly outsustain you and kill you in the end.

You out sustain their stamina. They get up, spam bol twice, get CCed, spam bol twice, get CCed, spam bol twice etc. Eventually either magica or Stam will run out and you kill them. Keep pressure on and line up burst for when their CCed.

Bol is kinda costly. Just spamming that leaves you with no magica pretty quickly.

Your magicka/stamina will run out before their magicka and stamina run out, they will go offensive and you will die.

A decent magplar know show to apply pressure as well, magplars who spam BoLs all day are very few, yet it also takes so much time to kill even those bad magplars, in the end zergs will come and you die xD