Azura's Star NA PC Thread PART 3

Humphie

Rickter wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

If they have 4 campaigns, 3 non CP and 1 CP.. would it still be considered that way?

honestly? i think that one CP campaign would be exactly how trueflame is now. it would probably be very competitive. It'll be where champions go to compete. Whats something you keep saying about CP enabled campaigns? the TTK is too long, unsatisfying or whatever you say to justify it. a longer TTK translates to more skill needed to take a player down. otherwise what are you doing? bombing them with burst?

Sure there are cheese builds. and No CP discourages that to an extent* but having CP allocated makes someone tougher which in turn makes the competition tougher and more competitive.

I highly disagree. I feel like it takes a lot more thinking into building a toon. Sure, turning down poisons would balance that even more but overall it feels cheesy to play with CP. Good thing we all have a choice if we want CP or not. I certainly don't miss them in PvP

Heike

Kartalin wrote: »

When TF campaign ends (later this week?) we might be seeing a migration over to Azura's. How significant that is and how it affects faction balanced remains to be seen but Azura's is already feeling more zergy after the double AP/no CP event.

AD could use the help.

On a separate note, I've heard/read all the jokes about TD, their guild and their organization, as well as the overall organization of AD in AS. And without sounding crass, salty or even irritated (I'm not):

People that pop into AS and immediately start calling the new(er) groups unorganized or "3 stupid zergs," might should try wrangling pugs themselves first.

It ain't easy, and it ain't for everybody.

( I know the folks in TM don't knock people like that, and this isn't directed at any of them. )

The leaders of TD are open to direction, are enthusiastic, and resilient. We've seen them make pony rides over and over again and throw up FC after FC, until they've taken a keep.

And having to organize THREE different raids of 20, PLUS discord, while asking for help...? It's pretty cool, tbh.

And they've made good on the promise not to embarrass AD by nightcapping, even though many of theirs are in Europe.

RoB is no "super group" and we don't pretend to be OP; we're a ragtag bunch of idiots that have fun in TS. But, we started by being "pug wranglers"... and having guys like TD who are willing to ask for what little guidance we can give, and then go get into fights, is worth mention here.

Especially because it's just us two guilds in AS right now. I can't wait for TM to see these guys run.

So, if anyone in TD is in this forum, hats off to you. Well done.

Alishka_Gunter

From my point of view, there has been a marked improvement in AD's performance as a faction. Are they where they need to be, no not yet but from six months ago they certainly are more effective and a helluva lot more resilient. It's great to see!

ZOS_Bill

We have once again had to remove multiple comments from this thread for baiting and naming & shaming. Please keep in mind the forum rules when posting as we may have to close this thread (like the first two) if this continues.

NBrookus

Rickter wrote: »

I know Haderus caught a lot of flak for the recent emp flipping (which tbh, that hasnt really happened since the Homestead update) but It's a pretty competitive server right now and has the potential to be a pretty amazing server on par with Trueflame. EP is always in large numbers, AD is usually medium to large and DC is always guaranteed a good fight.

Haderus still needs help to be a good server. AD emp flips every morning and has a good presence in the eves. EP is strong early evenings. DC logs on later. If we could just get some EP to be on later at night and anyone other than AD on during the day...

But yes, it's much improved. I know we had some DC came over from Azuras and that's made it much more interesting.

FENGRUSH

Rickter wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

If they have 4 campaigns, 3 non CP and 1 CP.. would it still be considered that way?

honestly? i think that one CP campaign would be exactly how trueflame is now. it would probably be very competitive. It'll be where champions go to compete. Whats something you keep saying about CP enabled campaigns? the TTK is too long, unsatisfying or whatever you say to justify it. a longer TTK translates to more skill needed to take a player down. otherwise what are you doing? bombing them with burst?

Sure there are cheese builds. and No CP discourages that to an extent* but having CP allocated makes someone tougher which in turn makes the competition tougher and more competitive.

What? I have to 'justify' how I feel about nonCP vs CP? Thats a huge joke.

There are skilled players on CP and nonCP campaigns. Theres a difference in playstyles. A lot of skilled players that played nonCP actually enjoyed it and preferred it during the nonCP week. The difference is what the actual server environments have.

If I go to TF Im going to see more massive ball groups - that is the clearest distinction I can draw immediately. The population is higher, and that is just how it is. That is where people have invested money in builds that work there and they dont typically translate directly to a nonCP environment. So people do what is comfortable. On top of that - people have more survival there.

Discussion of TTK is another thing altogether than the above mentioned. The above mentioned is a big reason I dont like going to TF in the first place. The environment is unenjoyable and also degrades performance. Nobody enjoys watching a stream where your skills arent working because of the amount of players around you. TTK (from group vs small scale/solo) is another discussion to approach and how CP impacts that. Ultimately, the CP ceiling is constantly raised, and as time has gone forward, the gameplay has felt less skilled and less punishing for mistakes. This has translated to a less enjoyable and fulfilling experience for me as a PvPer, and many others that have stopped bothering to log in. Do I actually want TTK to be lower? The answer is actually no. I want burst to be lower, and I want healing to be lower. I want both of them to matter, pressure vs sustain. This is the point of the battle spirit that was put into Cyro to begin with - the issue there is the CP system layered on it and it didnt actually address specific skills in PvP, it was a broad stroke 'fix'. These concepts have been stripped from the game in part due to equipment changes (One Tamriel specifically) and the constant increase of CP.

People can sustain on noCP as well. They are just used to building in a way where CP provides a majority of their sustain and stat coverage, and everything in equip+enchants goes towards your effect (damage, healing, tankiness).

But please dont preach about having to justify anything. Do you think PvP is in a good place right now as population and interests continue to go downward? Peoples enjoyment of fights that feel so predictable theyre practically scripted? There is no justification on my part. Its an opinion, and its one that makes a lot more sense than the 'champions go to TF' outlook you have. Its also an opinion that makes sense to not just myself, but to the developers who have noted nonCP will likely be the primary feature of battlegrounds. Reason being that gameplay becomes ruined by people that know how to manage the CP spectrum very well. Theres too much there - even with changes coming to it. CP should not offer progressive passive increases to all stats and resources. It should be a place someone specializes in character differences that offer alternative playstyle options, not passive strength. New players are turned away from the necessity of needing max CP to compete in PvP as well - this is absolutely poor design for a game that wants to encourage growth in PvP.

I hate to say it - but there is no depth to what you are talking about at all. I dont think you understand anything about the issues of PvP or you have completely failed to elaborate. If your argument is really what you say in your closing thought of 'having CP makes the enemy tougher which = more competitive environment' then you are not someone who should be looking at what the game needs to improve nor passing judgement in any way on players in nonCP.

Zander98

NonCP Azuras is where us old EP players go to retire.
It's kind of like a nursing home. With fire trebs.

Scamh

Alishka_Gunter wrote: »

Scamh wrote: »

Alishka_Gunter wrote: »

As for my build being useless solo

from the one time i ran into you solo i sorta could tell that it's not the build that's useless

LOL! now that's a good burn! Josh, learn from him.

You will not come between Josh and me.

Heike wrote: »

Especially because it's just us two guilds in AS right now.

You forget the AD guild that runs 3 stam NBs, a stam DK and a DC for a group. Pure genius, it's going to be the new meta.

Rickter wrote: »

NO CP is like, the gluten free version of pvp and will never be taken seriously.

Seriously what kind of comparison is that, I even wiki'd gluten to make sense of it. No success.

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Xiaring

Lol'd. Our fengrush made a joke. Well done.

Drakkdjinn

If ESO PvP was a swim park TF would be the kiddie pool: its way too full, everyone's wearing floaties, and instead of learning to swim you can get away with splashing around like an idiot but still not drown in shallow water that's really mostly just tears and pee.

Kartalin

I love how on the mobile website if posts have been deleted I can't tell if there are new posts until the post count surpasses the pre-deletion total (without actually looking at the thread at least). Can't keep looking at the thread either, I'm trying to grade some exams over here.

Good points btw, @FENGRUSH

Munavar

Now, even the teachers cannot put the phones away in class.

Kartalin

^ Office hours

I look at the forums and the subreddit all the time in my office, don't have too many students coming in usually.

Alishka_Gunter

Zander98 wrote: »

NonCP Azuras is where us old EP players go to retire.
It's kind of like a nursing home. With fire trebs.

and Cold Fire!

Scamh wrote: »

You will not come between Josh and me.

Wouldn't dream of it! He's all yours!

Drakkdjinn wrote: »

If ESO PvP was a swim park TF would be the kiddie pool: its way too full, everyone's wearing floaties, and instead of learning to swim you can get away with splashing around like an idiot but still not drown in shallow water that's really mostly just tears and pee.

That made me actually LOL. Well put!

donJay

Alishka_Gunter wrote: »

Everyone will have a different point of view but my list would be; (current, active players only)

From EP

- Mr. Dude
- Zane Altise
- Booz
- Malleus (spelling might be off)
- PuG Shellshock

From DC

- Narmleth the White Mage
- Anomaly
- Fengrush (I hate to list him for principles sake but he is the original stam sorc)

From AD

- Valla Voidstorm (not the best 1v1 but has some epic bombs and is a great person to chat with, very funny)
- Machete

How the standards of quality pvp'ers have lowered.

On that note, EVERYONE COME TO AZURAS. Everyone is killable! Even the super tanks and shield stacking streakers!

Speed_Kills

@ellahellabella whoaaaa that sounds like too good of an offer to turn down. But, for now, I'm a bit short on time... After boards though, there might be a SPEEDY EP running around in cyrodiil

usmcjdking

Favorite players to fight in no particular order -

EP:
DJay - I've never been able to solo kill him, but he has killed me before solo on just about every class I've thrown at him. One of the few solo players who will attempt to fight his way out of a 50v1.
PBP - Slippery, difficult to catch and has surprising burst for the amount of regen he has. He has a very unique kiting playstyle that turns it into a resource game.
Jabs - Aggressive stamplar, love it!
NedicWildling - Whenever he plays, just a flat out tremendous player although can get a bit salty at times.
Snowman - Great at pacing and sneaking in damage when he can get it in. Doesn't waste time.
Bill Nye - Phenomenally strong build but more importantly he executes it near flawlessly. If you're not careful you just get 3 shot, if you are careful you can't put enough damage on him. Great player.
Dubzug - Gets a lot of rightfully deserved hate but there is no denying his capabilities as a player. Reckless but believes in character and his teamates which is not a common quality.
Gunter - Gets a lot of hate, and not that great of a solo player but plays very intelligently. Haven't ever lost 1v1 but I have made stupid errors in which he's immediately capitalized on. Often times to reason why what should be a successful 1vX ends in complete disaster and a wasted potion.
FROIDBUSTER - Just a good all around player and can be the most influential on the field at times.

AD:
JoshL - A little NB that went from getting completely canned in 1v1's to actually becoming a tremendously strong solo player. Fun to fight.
Valla - Magelight wars when I'm on my magblade. More importantly probably the most aggressive bomb build player I've seen. Most bombers just AFK until flags - bombing is Valla's swan song.
Sheo/Laewrath - Another set of "no guts no glory" players. They play almost identically which is why they are grouped. Running into either of them has always been a pleasure. None of us running for any reason.
Randall Floyd - Don't know if he's still in TM but was undoubtedly the strongest TM member IMO. Wasn't scared to peel off to the side to get some good 1v1 action.
Flameage - The Cylaire/Frost hurricane Gangbangs are something I'll never forget. Cagit magblade lol.

Now onto most improved since first seeing them in Azura's, again in no particular order.

Eichtipper.
Heike
Rinari
JoshL
MattFire
Narmaleth
Devine Trashbag
Aeko
Betsy
Gunter

Probably a few I'm forgetting but that's it for now. *Edited for the sake of the thread.

Minno

Drakkdjinn wrote: »

If ESO PvP was a swim park TF would be the kiddie pool: its way too full, everyone's wearing floaties, and instead of learning to swim you can get away with splashing around like an idiot but still not drown in shallow water that's really mostly just tears and pee.

Sixth

I do plenty of dueling and I do plenty of small scale fighting. I use the forums cause I've always

usmcjdking wrote: »

Favorite players to fight in no particular order -

EP:
DJay - I've never been able to solo kill him, but he has killed me before solo on just about every class I've thrown at him. One of the few solo players who will attempt to fight his way out of a 50v1.
PBP - Slippery, difficult to catch and has surprising burst for the amount of regen he has. He has a very unique kiting playstyle that turns it into a resource game.
Jabs - Aggressive stamplar, love it!
NedicWildling - Whenever he plays, just a flat out tremendous player although can get a bit salty at times.
Snowman - Great at pacing and sneaking in damage when he can get it in. Doesn't waste time.
Bill Nye - Phenomenally strong build but more importantly he executes it near flawlessly. If you're not careful you just get 3 shot, if you are careful you can't put enough damage on him. Great player.
Dubzug - Pile of human filth but there is no denying his capabilities as a player. Reckless but believes in character and his teamates which is not a common quality.
Gunter - Gets a lot of hate, and not that great of a solo player but plays very intelligently. Haven't ever lost 1v1 but I have made stupid errors in which he's immediately capitalized on. Often times to reason why what should be a successful 1vX ends in complete disaster and a wasted potion.
FROIDBUSTER - Just a good all around player and can be the most influential on the field at times.

AD:
JoshL - A little NB that went from getting completely canned in 1v1's to actually becoming a tremendously strong solo player. Fun to fight.
Valla - Magelight wars when I'm on my magblade. More importantly probably the most aggressive bomb build player I've seen. Most bombers just AFK until flags - bombing is Valla's swan song.
Sheo/Laewrath - Another set of "no guts no glory" players. They play almost identically which is why they are grouped. Running into either of them has always been a pleasure. None of us running for any reason.
Randall Floyd - Don't know if he's still in TM but was undoubtedly the strongest TM member IMO. Wasn't scared to peel off to the side to get some good 1v1 action.
Flameage - The Cylaire/Frost hurricane Gangbangs are something I'll never forget. Cagit magblade lol.

Now onto most improved since first seeing them in Azura's, again in no particular order.

Eichtipper.
Heike
Rinari
JoshL
MattFire
Narmaleth
Devine Trashbag
Aeko
Betsy
Gunter

Probably a few I'm forgetting but that's it for now.

You're a DC player?

usmcjdking

Sixth wrote: »

I do plenty of dueling and I do plenty of small scale fighting. I use the forums cause I've always

usmcjdking wrote: »

Favorite players to fight in no particular order -

EP:
DJay - I've never been able to solo kill him, but he has killed me before solo on just about every class I've thrown at him. One of the few solo players who will attempt to fight his way out of a 50v1.
PBP - Slippery, difficult to catch and has surprising burst for the amount of regen he has. He has a very unique kiting playstyle that turns it into a resource game.
Jabs - Aggressive stamplar, love it!
NedicWildling - Whenever he plays, just a flat out tremendous player although can get a bit salty at times.
Snowman - Great at pacing and sneaking in damage when he can get it in. Doesn't waste time.
Bill Nye - Phenomenally strong build but more importantly he executes it near flawlessly. If you're not careful you just get 3 shot, if you are careful you can't put enough damage on him. Great player.
Dubzug - Pile of human filth but there is no denying his capabilities as a player. Reckless but believes in character and his teamates which is not a common quality.
Gunter - Gets a lot of hate, and not that great of a solo player but plays very intelligently. Haven't ever lost 1v1 but I have made stupid errors in which he's immediately capitalized on. Often times to reason why what should be a successful 1vX ends in complete disaster and a wasted potion.
FROIDBUSTER - Just a good all around player and can be the most influential on the field at times.

AD:
JoshL - A little NB that went from getting completely canned in 1v1's to actually becoming a tremendously strong solo player. Fun to fight.
Valla - Magelight wars when I'm on my magblade. More importantly probably the most aggressive bomb build player I've seen. Most bombers just AFK until flags - bombing is Valla's swan song.
Sheo/Laewrath - Another set of "no guts no glory" players. They play almost identically which is why they are grouped. Running into either of them has always been a pleasure. None of us running for any reason.
Randall Floyd - Don't know if he's still in TM but was undoubtedly the strongest TM member IMO. Wasn't scared to peel off to the side to get some good 1v1 action.
Flameage - The Cylaire/Frost hurricane Gangbangs are something I'll never forget. Cagit magblade lol.

Now onto most improved since first seeing them in Azura's, again in no particular order.

Eichtipper.
Heike
Rinari
JoshL
MattFire
Narmaleth
Devine Trashbag
Aeko
Betsy
Gunter

Probably a few I'm forgetting but that's it for now.

You're a DC player?

Mostly, I have an AD sorc I play from time to time.

technohic

ZOS_BillE wrote: »

We have once again had to remove multiple comments from this thread for baiting and naming & shaming. Please keep in mind the forum rules when posting as we may have to close this thread (like the first two) if this continues.

You guys keep getting these threads closed and Azuras Star is going to be like Fight Club on here.

First rule of Azuras Star. Yo DO NOT talk about Azuras Star!

Alishka_Gunter

usmcjdking wrote: »

Favorite players to fight in no particular order -

EP:
DJay - I've never been able to solo kill him, but he has killed me before solo on just about every class I've thrown at him. One of the few solo players who will attempt to fight his way out of a 50v1.
PBP - Slippery, difficult to catch and has surprising burst for the amount of regen he has. He has a very unique kiting playstyle that turns it into a resource game.
Jabs - Aggressive stamplar, love it!
NedicWildling - Whenever he plays, just a flat out tremendous player although can get a bit salty at times.
Snowman - Great at pacing and sneaking in damage when he can get it in. Doesn't waste time.
Bill Nye - Phenomenally strong build but more importantly he executes it near flawlessly. If you're not careful you just get 3 shot, if you are careful you can't put enough damage on him. Great player.
Dubzug - Pile of human filth but there is no denying his capabilities as a player. Reckless but believes in character and his teamates which is not a common quality.
Gunter - Gets a lot of hate, and not that great of a solo player but plays very intelligently. Haven't ever lost 1v1 but I have made stupid errors in which he's immediately capitalized on. Often times to reason why what should be a successful 1vX ends in complete disaster and a wasted potion.
FROIDBUSTER - Just a good all around player and can be the most influential on the field at times.

AD:
JoshL - A little NB that went from getting completely canned in 1v1's to actually becoming a tremendously strong solo player. Fun to fight.
Valla - Magelight wars when I'm on my magblade. More importantly probably the most aggressive bomb build player I've seen. Most bombers just AFK until flags - bombing is Valla's swan song.
Sheo/Laewrath - Another set of "no guts no glory" players. They play almost identically which is why they are grouped. Running into either of them has always been a pleasure. None of us running for any reason.
Randall Floyd - Don't know if he's still in TM but was undoubtedly the strongest TM member IMO. Wasn't scared to peel off to the side to get some good 1v1 action.
Flameage - The Cylaire/Frost hurricane Gangbangs are something I'll never forget. Cagit magblade lol.

Now onto most improved since first seeing them in Azura's, again in no particular order.

Eichtipper.
Heike
Rinari
JoshL
MattFire
Narmaleth
Devine Trashbag
Aeko
Betsy
Gunter

Probably a few I'm forgetting but that's it for now.

You've brought up alot of names I forgot last! I've never faced alot of the EP, Jabs excluded, but I've nothing but good things about bill Nye. Same for snowman... I've played alot with him and watched a stream or two of his.

As for myself, I have zero issues with your comments as they are pretty accurate. Definitely don't have issues giving you any 1v1's so hit me up. I wouldn't mind giving it a few more goes that's for sure. Just not your DK, pretty please. It doesn't hit hard but waiting for your wings to drop to time a hit is painful hahaha. That and your tanky o.O

Sixth

I've given up on trying to 1v1 DKs or Templars, with these massive HP pools and Troll king meta, it's a wet noodle fight until my medium armor 20k hp NB ass goes down. So I can see why you play a sniper role, @Alishka_Gunter . I dont like it, but I understand. Cause I play a melee Stamblade and it's pretty tough, everyone has 25k HP and massive heals, it's just a PITA.

Kartalin

@Sixth
Melee stamblade is pretty tough right now if you're unwilling to make concessions to the current meta. Unless you're ready to be the troll king, wear heavy armor yourself, and/or stack proc sets, the skill barrier for success is pretty high compared to how it used to be. Thus you see a lot of stamblades, even ones that have had great success in the past, turn to the bow gank approach.

Sixth

Kartalin wrote: »

@Sixth
Melee stamblade is pretty tough right now if you're unwilling to make concessions to the current meta. Unless you're ready to be the troll king, wear heavy armor yourself, and/or stack proc sets, the skill barrier for success is pretty high compared to how it used to be. Thus you see a lot of stamblades, even ones that have had great success in the past, turn to the bow gank approach.

It's like I wanna turn to Heavy armor and Troll king, but I shouldn't be forced to run that to have success in PVP, it's lame. I run all medium and Tremorscale. Just like Im about to be forced to download Miats to compete with the better players around here

LeifErickson

Medium armor stamblade is fantastic in no cp. It has the potential to be literally unstoppable unless your opponents are using the right counters (specifically piercing mark which in my opinion is way too strong for what it does).

usmcjdking

Sixth wrote: »

Kartalin wrote: »

@Sixth
Melee stamblade is pretty tough right now if you're unwilling to make concessions to the current meta. Unless you're ready to be the troll king, wear heavy armor yourself, and/or stack proc sets, the skill barrier for success is pretty high compared to how it used to be. Thus you see a lot of stamblades, even ones that have had great success in the past, turn to the bow gank approach.

It's like I wanna turn to Heavy armor and Troll king, but I shouldn't be forced to run that to have success in PVP, it's lame. I run all medium and Tremorscale. Just like Im about to be forced to download Miats to compete with the better players around here

Tremorscale is completely worthless on stamblade. #1 it means you're using ransack instead of SA meaning you are missing out at the Shadow Barrier passive and a host of other passives. #2 Stamblade already has a potent snare in both fear and Grim Focus.

Sixth

I dont usually gank. I run Ambush, Ransack, Shadowy Disguise, Killers blade and Mass hysteria on my SnB bar. I find it tough to play, but it's very rewarding when you're *** *** up

Running with 15k in resists, buffed to 16kish when I ransack and a huge amount of Stamina in Azuras

Edit #3, in case anyone says anything, it is based off Syphers Stamblade build he had up, but I swap out some skills and gear. He used widowmaker and viper, I don't

Fisherman

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

If they have 4 campaigns, 3 non CP and 1 CP.. would it still be considered that way?

honestly? i think that one CP campaign would be exactly how trueflame is now. it would probably be very competitive. It'll be where champions go to compete. Whats something you keep saying about CP enabled campaigns? the TTK is too long, unsatisfying or whatever you say to justify it. a longer TTK translates to more skill needed to take a player down. otherwise what are you doing? bombing them with burst?

Sure there are cheese builds. and No CP discourages that to an extent* but having CP allocated makes someone tougher which in turn makes the competition tougher and more competitive.

What? I have to 'justify' how I feel about nonCP vs CP? Thats a huge joke.

There are skilled players on CP and nonCP campaigns. Theres a difference in playstyles. A lot of skilled players that played nonCP actually enjoyed it and preferred it during the nonCP week. The difference is what the actual server environments have.

If I go to TF Im going to see more massive ball groups - that is the clearest distinction I can draw immediately. The population is higher, and that is just how it is. That is where people have invested money in builds that work there and they dont typically translate directly to a nonCP environment. So people do what is comfortable. On top of that - people have more survival there.

Discussion of TTK is another thing altogether than the above mentioned. The above mentioned is a big reason I dont like going to TF in the first place. The environment is unenjoyable and also degrades performance. Nobody enjoys watching a stream where your skills arent working because of the amount of players around you. TTK (from group vs small scale/solo) is another discussion to approach and how CP impacts that. Ultimately, the CP ceiling is constantly raised, and as time has gone forward, the gameplay has felt less skilled and less punishing for mistakes. This has translated to a less enjoyable and fulfilling experience for me as a PvPer, and many others that have stopped bothering to log in. Do I actually want TTK to be lower? The answer is actually no. I want burst to be lower, and I want healing to be lower. I want both of them to matter, pressure vs sustain. This is the point of the battle spirit that was put into Cyro to begin with - the issue there is the CP system layered on it and it didnt actually address specific skills in PvP, it was a broad stroke 'fix'. These concepts have been stripped from the game in part due to equipment changes (One Tamriel specifically) and the constant increase of CP.

People can sustain on noCP as well. They are just used to building in a way where CP provides a majority of their sustain and stat coverage, and everything in equip+enchants goes towards your effect (damage, healing, tankiness).

But please dont preach about having to justify anything. Do you think PvP is in a good place right now as population and interests continue to go downward? Peoples enjoyment of fights that feel so predictable theyre practically scripted? There is no justification on my part. Its an opinion, and its one that makes a lot more sense than the 'champions go to TF' outlook you have. Its also an opinion that makes sense to not just myself, but to the developers who have noted nonCP will likely be the primary feature of battlegrounds. Reason being that gameplay becomes ruined by people that know how to manage the CP spectrum very well. Theres too much there - even with changes coming to it. CP should not offer progressive passive increases to all stats and resources. It should be a place someone specializes in character differences that offer alternative playstyle options, not passive strength. New players are turned away from the necessity of needing max CP to compete in PvP as well - this is absolutely poor design for a game that wants to encourage growth in PvP.

I hate to say it - but there is no depth to what you are talking about at all. I dont think you understand anything about the issues of PvP or you have completely failed to elaborate. If your argument is really what you say in your closing thought of 'having CP makes the enemy tougher which = more competitive environment' then you are not someone who should be looking at what the game needs to improve nor passing judgement in any way on players in nonCP.

It's crazy, right?
It's almost like someone can believe something, and someone else can believe something else, but that be perfectly OK in terms of the 2 working towards a better PvP experience for everyone.

It's pretty damn simple, isn't it? You (the general, u) don't know the reasons why somebody enjoys playing this game - so don't assume it.

For the record, Fengrush, you didn't need to explain or defend anything about your playstyle.
People will learn for themselves what they prefer, end up there, and defend their reasonings why. Both CP and nonCP have merit in vastly different ways, just like every other damn stupid trivial conflict everyone's always coming up with for some reason or another that most know nothing about.

Edited: words are hard

NightSquirrel

@usmcjdking errantly missing one from that list

Kartalin

NightSquirrel wrote: »

@usmcjdking errantly missing one from that list

When making a list it's considered poor form for the person making it to include their own name.