cradle of shadows

Lynx7386

Whoever designed this dungeon needs to get fired. Literally the worst thing I have ever wasted 3 hours on in this game.

mrfrontman

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Whoever designed this dungeon needs to get fired. Literally the worst thing I have ever wasted 3 hours on in this game.

Cradle of Shadows is easy, even on hard mode.

l2p issues?

Honestly though, you can't come on a forum and complain about a dungeon when everybody else has no problem running it within 20-30 mins. You need to learn mechanics properly and understand the dungeon to it's fullest. A 3 hour run sounds like it was your first attempt there. You've barely earned the right to be even slightly pissy at the dungeon.

Once you learn the mechanics properly you can run it under 30 mins easily, assuming you and your group are fully geared.

Lynx7386

mrfrontman wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Whoever designed this dungeon needs to get fired. Literally the worst thing I have ever wasted 3 hours on in this game.

Cradle of Shadows is easy, even on hard mode.

l2p issues?

So tell me, what's your strategy in a fight where you constantly lose all magicka, stamina, and ultimate, and randomly take 40k damage spikes?

Learn to play my arse. This isn't a l2p issue, it's a zos doesn't know frak all about how to design interesting boss mechanics so get just give you a giant middle finger.

Taleof2Cities

Even on normal I'm surprised how many players straight-up leave the dungeon.

Artis

Lynx7386 wrote: »

mrfrontman wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Whoever designed this dungeon needs to get fired. Literally the worst thing I have ever wasted 3 hours on in this game.

Cradle of Shadows is easy, even on hard mode.

l2p issues?

So tell me, what's your strategy in a fight where you constantly lose all magicka, stamina, and ultimate, and randomly take 40k damage spikes?

Learn to play my arse. This isn't a l2p issue, it's a zos doesn't know frak all about how to design interesting boss mechanics so get just give you a giant middle finger.

You mean YOU lose all magicka stamina and ultimate and take 40k damage spikes. Because I, for one, have no idea what fight you're talking about. I don't think it ever happened to me.

Lynx7386

Most of the run didn't take us long, but no matter what we did we could not kill velidreth. We had a 600 healer, 580 something tank, and 580 something dps, and myself at 350. That boss fight literally has every frak-you mechanic in the game thrown into one tiny arena

mrfrontman

Lynx7386 wrote: »

mrfrontman wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Whoever designed this dungeon needs to get fired. Literally the worst thing I have ever wasted 3 hours on in this game.

Cradle of Shadows is easy, even on hard mode.

l2p issues?

So tell me, what's your strategy in a fight where you constantly lose all magicka, stamina, and ultimate, and randomly take 40k damage spikes?

Learn to play my arse. This isn't a l2p issue, it's a zos doesn't know frak all about how to design interesting boss mechanics so get just give you a giant middle finger.

Okay, strategy:

So you don't lose magicka, stamina or health - Avoid the floating red, green and blue balls all over the boss area fight, they drain your resources.

Ultimate - Pop your ultimates at the START of the fight, she is going to pick one of you at random and drain it, so just pop it at the start of the fight and whenever you can.

Spikes - There is a phase where Velidreth will say "Don't move a muscle". This literally means DON'T MOVE A MUSCLE. Stand still, you will see a green circle under your feet meaning you're safe. RIGHT after the green circle disappears, you will see dirt coming up from under your feet. The VERY SPLIT second you see the dirt, you need to dodge roll out of the way to avoid the spike.




I'm sorry, but it really is a l2p issue =/ Not trying to troll either.

wolfdoggie_ESO

It's just full of so many annoying cheapshots that instakill. To think they make people pay extra for it when it needs all the people it can get for that queue. Either no one ever wants to do it or can't in more ways than one.

Cpt_Teemo

Artis wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

mrfrontman wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Whoever designed this dungeon needs to get fired. Literally the worst thing I have ever wasted 3 hours on in this game.

Cradle of Shadows is easy, even on hard mode.

l2p issues?

So tell me, what's your strategy in a fight where you constantly lose all magicka, stamina, and ultimate, and randomly take 40k damage spikes?

Learn to play my arse. This isn't a l2p issue, it's a zos doesn't know frak all about how to design interesting boss mechanics so get just give you a giant middle finger.

You mean YOU lose all magicka stamina and ultimate and take 40k damage spikes. Because I, for one, have no idea what fight you're talking about. I don't think it ever happened to me.

Velidreth fight, ball bombs

Triddle

I like it. Good dungeon, fun. Shame more people don't do it, or the other DLC dungeons. All of the DLC dungeons are great. Certainly the best of the dungeons.

AtAfternoon

IIRC, the dots that drains resources can be cleansed and if you don't have access to one then a stamina dd can soak up all the blue balls while a magicka dd soaks up all the green balls if you're having trouble avoiding them. The heavy attack doing a lot of damage can be roll-dodged.

If it's too hard then there's always normal difficulty (I assume you tried it on veteran since you had a 600 healer etc.)

Cpt_Teemo

Yeah I seen groups of Cp 500+ fail this on normal runs as well, glad I got my divine helm on first try and only try to beat her so far on vet, lol

Myyth

oh yes the thrills and chills of cradle of shadows!

For your maximum enjoyment, make sure you get a level 10 tank and healer rockin zero CP when you use the group finder. Guaranteed hours and hours of fun!
But wait....theres more!
You might even get a 1000G+ repair bill too!

Shunravi

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

Artis wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

mrfrontman wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Whoever designed this dungeon needs to get fired. Literally the worst thing I have ever wasted 3 hours on in this game.

Cradle of Shadows is easy, even on hard mode.

l2p issues?

So tell me, what's your strategy in a fight where you constantly lose all magicka, stamina, and ultimate, and randomly take 40k damage spikes?

Learn to play my arse. This isn't a l2p issue, it's a zos doesn't know frak all about how to design interesting boss mechanics so get just give you a giant middle finger.

You mean YOU lose all magicka stamina and ultimate and take 40k damage spikes. Because I, for one, have no idea what fight you're talking about. I don't think it ever happened to me.

Velidreth fight, ball bombs

avoid em

SolarCat02

I love Cradle of Shadows!
The maze part is a bit annoying.
But the only time I have really had issues is when I had a tank didn't dodge her heavy attacks. I can't heal through the subsequent armor shatter.

But everything else, it really helps me practice my resource management, as healer. The effects of the orbs can be cleansed (Purge is awesome for this fight!) and the Restoration Staff ultimate really shines here.
Just make sure to stop attacking Velidreth when the atronachs spawn until they are dead and both torches picked up, and have experienced players grab the torches.

ForsakenSin

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

Yeah I seen groups of Cp 500+ fail this on normal runs as well, glad I got my divine helm on first try and only try to beat her so far on vet, lol

i...hate,.....you....

I try to run this as many time as i can but finding a group to do it its sooo dam hard and group that knows what to do is even harder

I got my one in light divines but need med i wish people would do it more often its not as hard once when you know what to do.

Rawst

definitely not an easy or fast dungeon, and do not attempt to pug it, bring friends with high dps who have already completed it. has annoying mechanics and is a pain in the popo to pull off on vet mode if it's everyone's first time, but the velidreth mask is kinda worth it, for stam chars at least. (ever tried mazzatun? hint: same applies.)

BRogueNZ

have to agree but not as bothered to suggest they 'fix' it, I just don't do it.
I'm well out of red circles and half the other drama's but to the server I guess I'm still in.

Artis

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

Artis wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

mrfrontman wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Whoever designed this dungeon needs to get fired. Literally the worst thing I have ever wasted 3 hours on in this game.

Cradle of Shadows is easy, even on hard mode.

l2p issues?

So tell me, what's your strategy in a fight where you constantly lose all magicka, stamina, and ultimate, and randomly take 40k damage spikes?

Learn to play my arse. This isn't a l2p issue, it's a zos doesn't know frak all about how to design interesting boss mechanics so get just give you a giant middle finger.

You mean YOU lose all magicka stamina and ultimate and take 40k damage spikes. Because I, for one, have no idea what fight you're talking about. I don't think it ever happened to me.

Velidreth fight, ball bombs

Ah that's why. Just follow mechanics.

1. Avoid the spores - they drain resources if they touch you.
2. Dump ulti asap, the boss chooses a random player and "eats" that player's ulti.
3. When the boss jumps to the ceiling, don't move and roll dodge right after she starts moving or after you see dust cloud around your feet.

This dungeon and ROM are amazing - they have mechanics that punish you if you ignore them. Much better than all those stack and burn fights.

Ch4mpTW

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Whoever designed this dungeon needs to get fired. Literally the worst thing I have ever wasted 3 hours on in this game.

Lol. If you think this is bad, then wait until you experience veteran Maelstrom Arena. Let alone VMoL. VMoL makes VCoS hard mode look like Disneyland.

Doctordarkspawn

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Whoever designed this dungeon needs to get fired. Literally the worst thing I have ever wasted 3 hours on in this game.

Been saying it for years. Well. Months.

Maz and COS have ultra difficult final bosses that are not challenging in the good way. The designers threw a bunch of *** at you and expected you to DOOOOOOOODGE.

Dont lisen to all the people going 'oh so easy' @Lynx7386 because their just trolls who have no inclination to do anything but run meta and tell anyone else who dosent to run meta or shame them.

ValkynSketha

L2P, L2Mechanics, L2Dodge ...etc

darkllord

I dont really get this. All what it takes is to read one guide or watch one yt video. I did it before my first run and I had absolutely 0 problems in this dungeon. It is actually easy once you figure out mechanics.

Ch4mpTW

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Whoever designed this dungeon needs to get fired. Literally the worst thing I have ever wasted 3 hours on in this game.

Been saying it for years. Well. Months.

Maz and COS have ultra difficult final bosses that are not challenging in the good way. The designers threw a bunch of *** at you and expected you to DOOOOOOOODGE.

Dont lisen to all the people going 'oh so easy' @Lynx7386 because their just trolls who have no inclination to do anything but run meta and tell anyone else who dosent to run meta or shame them.

@Doctordarkspawn Um... I would not say that the dungeon is 'easy' initially. However, with enough practice, it'll become easy. Remember when City of Ash and White-Gold Tower were considered hard? Remember when DSA was considered a challenge? It all becomes easy with enough experience.

As for requiring a meta setup to complete it, I disagree. I literally never use "meta builds" outside of VMoL, and intentionally do so. However, my builds aren't atrocious and flat out horrible. Just... Awkward. Lol.

Myyth

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Whoever designed this dungeon needs to get fired. Literally the worst thing I have ever wasted 3 hours on in this game.

Dont lisen to all the people going 'oh so easy' @Lynx7386 because their just trolls who have no inclination to do anything but run meta and tell anyone else who dosent to run meta or shame them.

And they are also the type that "only groups with friends and guildies" so they never get to see how incredibly awful this dungeon is with a random group of low levels with no CP.

raglau

@Lynx7386 Sorry you appear to be having trouble now, but the posters in the thread give salient advice, once you take this you'll breeze through it at your levels. It's just a mechanical process, like all dungeons, albeit slightly harder than the usual ESO fayre.

Most ESO dungeons are faceroll-stand-there-nuke-everything-in-your-sleep, but CoS is actually one of the few ESO dungeons I enjoy running, because it makes you think and move about for once.

I've never had a particular issue with CoS but situational awareness is key. Certainly with the levels of chars you tell us were in there, it ought to not be a problem, so long as the builds are coherent and people are watching what they are doing. I don't run meta or trials gear for example, and am only CP550 and I've never had an issue.

idk

Lynx7386 wrote: »

mrfrontman wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Whoever designed this dungeon needs to get fired. Literally the worst thing I have ever wasted 3 hours on in this game.

Cradle of Shadows is easy, even on hard mode.

l2p issues?

So tell me, what's your strategy in a fight where you constantly lose all magicka, stamina, and ultimate, and randomly take 40k damage spikes?

Learn to play my arse. This isn't a l2p issue, it's a zos doesn't know frak all about how to design interesting boss mechanics so get just give you a giant middle finger.

cleans, cleans, cleans. and area awareness.

Yea, it is tough when new to the fight but it is pure mechanics. Cleans is a requirement in that fight and may be a good idea to have two cleanses when new to it. Also, all magika users should have shield.

Cleans is needed for all three debuffs that go out.

Reefo

Did it last night on vet with my 600 dk tank, a 600 magplar dps, a 440 magblade healer and a 240 stamblade dps.

The only issue we had was that my coagulating blood healed me for ***. Had to leave to go remorph it, did it in 5 tries and the 440 and 240 only did it on normal before.

Sucked that I got a reinforced heavy head which I gave to the 240, but anyway nice to know it can be done with Anyone on vet really.

Metafae

Normal exists for a reason, vet and vet hm are meant for people who want a tough challenge, and after a lot of practice that challenge does go away.

There's no need to cry for a nerf of vet hm. It's no different to people who enjoy the hm to cry a buff for normal mode.

Those modes are not meant for those players, so no need to interfere with them.

If you're determined to be able to complete vet hm, you'll eventually complete it. If the pain of learning the dungeon isn't for you then just stop putting yourself in a situation where you're going to have a lot of failures as you learn the dungeon.

Jimbullbee85

Yup I hate that dungeon. Some find it easy but i struggle with this one in particular. The mechanic is tough so unlike the other dungeons you can't simply smash your way out of it with a dps powerhouse.

The trick with the spikes is perfect timing. Theres two spikes. The first is motion sensored and the second has to be dodge rolled. When the screen goes purple the boss goes to the ceiling and you have to stand completely STILL to prevent being one shotted by the first spike. Then about three seconds later you have to dodge role the second spike as she jumps back to the floor.

I hate the maze. I'm terrible with finding my way out of it so need to follow someone with a good sense of direction. Keeping up with whoever has the torch is vital as the darkness will kill you and you won't be able to see the spike booby traps.

For magicka drain it's the balls rolling around the floor that cause it. I find the best way to avoid them is to zoom out so that you can see them coming from all directions. I still struggle knowing the mechanics as I don't have the quickest reaction speed but hope it helps someone.

Lord_Eomer

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Whoever designed this dungeon needs to get fired. Literally the worst thing I have ever wasted 3 hours on in this game.

Running vet version with pugs is very difficult!

You need a good group! Thats all but yes final boss one shot kill and magicka/stamina drain bubble are troublesome!

I had ran vet couple of times and got Helm so no need to run again this dark cavern