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Judas Helviaryn✭✭✭✭✭
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It's a dungeon. I have a family to take care of, a more than full time job, and priorities outside of a video game that have to be adressed.
When I get home from work and hop into the pos activity finder, I'm expecting 30 minutes to an hour for a run, regardless of group participants.
Make the trials/raids 3 hours if you have players looking to spend an entire night doing one thing. I just don't have time for it. Every other mmo I've played has followed that model: small group content takes under an hour on average once started. Large group content can take 3-5 hours.
The system is whack in this game though. I've done obsidian sanctum in less than an hour, but have dungeons that take 2-3 for no real reason.
You have a family, and you act like this?Whoever designed this dungeon needs to get fired. Literally the worst thing I have ever wasted 3 hours on in this game.
Look, this isn't a personal attack. You say you have your priorities in order, but you apparently can't handle criticism, or failure. That's a prerequisite to being an adult.
I would tell anybody with your attitude the same thing. Work on yourself, and stop blaming others.
It's just painful to witness.7 -
amasuriel✭✭✭✭im a little disheartened by the amount of "just l2p" im seeing in this thread. yeah maybe the OP could have conveyed his frustratons better but come on people. CoS is mechanic heavy. the OP may have been stuck in groups of PUGs and not have the guidance patience or coordination needed to get through the dungeon. I applaud the people posting mechanic explanation videos for the OP - thats what he needs not people saying "this dungeon is not a problem for everyone else"
its a tough dungeon for people unfamiliar with the dungeon. not everyone is pve elite. some people want to experience the content and not be prepared.
my advice to the OP: sift through the accusatory and impatient garbage comments and take the truly constructive ones, and dont give up. Keep queueing or join a guild that will help you. but dont give up, you wont catch the bus if you dont go to the bus stop.
While I agree some people were jerks about it, it's hard to not to be critical. It's one of the 2 hardest 4 man dungeons in the game, on vet. I don't know why you would do that without understanding the mechanics. All the good information in this thread are readily available with a quick google search.
That isn't to say that a pug will do it reliably, or that it's an easy dungeon, but it's clear the OP didn't understand some of the mechanics, and it's hard to be sympathetic to that.
For the record, I also think ESO dungeon design is somewhat lacking, since it relies heavily on 1 shot mechanics and other very heavy handed mechanics (including semi-random 1 shots); however this just means they aren't well designed and not fun for some people, not that it's impossible or even difficult if you take the time to learn.
There are only 5-6 4 man dungeons in the whole game that you need to know the mechanics for, and then only on vet. If you want to do them, do some basic research.
Also if you hate vCoS, do not try vMA
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TheForseti✭✭✭Cradle of Shadows is my favorite group dungeon in the game.PC-NA | CP 1,400+ @The_Forseti1 -
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It's a dungeon. I have a family to take care of, a more than full time job, and priorities outside of a video game that have to be adressed.
When I get home from work and hop into the pos activity finder, I'm expecting 30 minutes to an hour for a run, regardless of group participants.
Make the trials/raids 3 hours if you have players looking to spend an entire night doing one thing. I just don't have time for it. Every other mmo I've played has followed that model: small group content takes under an hour on average once started. Large group content can take 3-5 hours.
The system is whack in this game though. I've done obsidian sanctum in less than an hour, but have dungeons that take 2-3 for no real reason.
I do agree that it would be really awesome to be able to do Vet Random EXCEPT. I mostly stopped doing randoms because I didn't want to spend a bunch of time in a failed pug because inevitably you get a DLC dungeon or vDarkshade II. I suggest doing normal random instead and plan to drag the group kicking and screaming to completion. Same rewards for random normal, and you can basically solo all of them if your group sucks.0 -
ForsakenSin✭✭✭✭✭
✭ok so WHY are people so afraid of this dungeon !!!!!
So last night i went group finder got in there were 3 people in up to the second boss im max cp other guy was cp 350 and as i got in the guy left so there were two of us ...waiting waiting..cp 600 joins... goes in ... leave.....waiting waiting waiting...cp 600 joins ...after 2 min leaves......then again another 600 joins ...and then leaves im like really ?
so after 15 min of people joining and leaving for some reason one cp 560 and after waiting for the 4th person he left and then cp 350 left and i was kicked out as there was only me...
come on people no guts no glory !!!"By many i am seen as hero...as a savior of the Tamriel i will not stop until every Daedra every evil there is in Tamriel is vanquish by my hands..
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I do agree that it would be really awesome to be able to do Vet Random EXCEPT. I mostly stopped doing randoms because I didn't want to spend a bunch of time in a failed pug because inevitably you get a DLC dungeon or vDarkshade II. I suggest doing normal random instead and plan to drag the group kicking and screaming to completion. Same rewards for random normal, and you can basically solo all of them if your group sucks.
Helms don't drop on normal, and you don't get the option for a double key reward from pledges.PS4 / NA
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Helms don't drop on normal, and you don't get the option for a double key reward from pledges.
dont do the double key bro, you're better off doing it 45min on vet without hardmode on 1 char, and doing the same on another and u get 2 keys in half the time you failed to do it on hard mode on 1 char and get 0 keys.
the catacombs is mostly the problem on hardmode with the doors. theres an achievment for completing it without anyone dying in the catacombs on ps4.
healer must heal, tank must tank, dps must dps, someone must purge, everyone must dodge roll spike, tank can block it, and then its all good.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Like I mentioned before, I'm relatively certain now that the reason we failed is because we had no method of purge/cleanse and the tank was dead 80% of the time because he wouldn't avoid fracture.PS4 / NA
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The message in MoL is RaidNotifier feature. It is not in the base UI.
No, It's part of the base UI, because even when I went in there and half arsed tanked it on normal, it showed. I can go in there and -screenshot- it with no addons enabled if you like.1 -
Doctordarkspawn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Judas Helviaryn wrote: »
You have a family, and you act like this?
Look, this isn't a personal attack. You say you have your priorities in order, but you apparently can't handle criticism, or failure. That's a prerequisite to being an adult.
I would tell anybody with your attitude the same thing. Work on yourself, and stop blaming others.
It's just painful to witness.
It is a personal attack. Most of this thread have been the thread has been 'L2P' with no criticism aside from 'maybe you just suck' or 'maybe your just not running the right gear' without any actual inspection of the person themselves. Even people like me who have completed it, many times on vet, are told L2P when we even criticize it.
@Judas Helviaryn I'd say it's you who cant take the criticism, and others like you, who must agressively attack a differing opinion for it's sheer existance.
And yes, he has a family. He shouldn't act like his time is precious and leaving his kids for 3-5 hours isn't acceptable? The length isn't a legitimate criticism, even though COS and MAZ are a slog to almost anyone I talk to?
Speaking as someone who has worked, and has beat it on vet, but still has yet to do so hardmode...To what end? I dont equate frustration with fun. That means none of us can criticize it until we reach your level of enlightenment? I know the mechanics and their impact on Vet, and on HM. But the answer is no, you, and others like you, would be telling us to 'L2P' even if I posted a HM achievement. You dont -want- to believe, that any criticism of COS has -some- merit.
And that's why we need to keep criticising it.Edited by Doctordarkspawn on March 7, 2017 10:38PM1 -
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That's a fair argument but you gotta take into account there're also players here who have more free time and enjoy spending a few hours on a challenge in a video game. And while your gamestyle isn't "bad" or "wrong", their/our isn't either.
It's a dungeon. I have a family to take care of, a more than full time job, and priorities outside of a video game that have to be adressed.
When I get home from work and hop into the pos activity finder, I'm expecting 30 minutes to an hour for a run, regardless of group participants.
If you want ~30 mins runs regardless of participants, run normal dungeons(that's exactly what they're there for, they even have the same story and bosses now) and/or look up the mechanics prior to running one. Don't run the dlc ones, let alone on vet. Don't run vDSA. I'm not being condescending in the least, but you can't possibly expect them to cater all of the game to one single playstyle.
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It's a dungeon. I have a family to take care of, a more than full time job, and priorities outside of a video game that have to be adressed.
When I get home from work and hop into the pos activity finder, I'm expecting 30 minutes to an hour for a run, regardless of group participants.
Make the trials/raids 3 hours if you have players looking to spend an entire night doing one thing. I just don't have time for it. Every other mmo I've played has followed that model: small group content takes under an hour on average once started. Large group content can take 3-5 hours.
The system is whack in this game though. I've done obsidian sanctum in less than an hour, but have dungeons that take 2-3 for no real reason.
There's your first mistake. Expecting PuGs to clear some of the hardest 4-man content of the game. You need to lessen your expectations because that first bit about a family? That doesn't matter. You calling for the firing of an employee simply because you can't get through a dungeon is not only saying something about your ability to understand that PuGs probably aren't the best to turn to, it says something about your character.Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies!6 -
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✭I also think it's funny how some people are hypocritical in this thread. Cute.Edited by FleetwoodSmack on March 8, 2017 12:51AMTell me lies, tell me sweet little lies!2 -
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So tell me, what's your strategy in a fight where you constantly lose all magicka, stamina, and ultimate, and randomly take 40k damage spikes?
Learn to play my arse. This isn't a l2p issue, it's a zos doesn't know frak all about how to design interesting boss mechanics so get just give you a giant middle finger.
you can purge/purify the balls
and when she goes up stand still wait few seconds run and dodge the spike
thats it, try running vmol on hardmodeEdited by Orbital on March 8, 2017 2:16AMAxphykz.
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Judas Helviaryn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Doctordarkspawn wrote: »
It is a personal attack. Most of this thread have been the thread has been 'L2P' with no criticism aside from 'maybe you just suck' or 'maybe your just not running the right gear' without any actual inspection of the person themselves. Even people like me who have completed it, many times on vet, are told L2P when we even criticize it.
@Judas Helviaryn I'd say it's you who cant take the criticism, and others like you, who must agressively attack a differing opinion for it's sheer existance.
And yes, he has a family. He shouldn't act like his time is precious and leaving his kids for 3-5 hours isn't acceptable? The length isn't a legitimate criticism, even though COS and MAZ are a slog to almost anyone I talk to?
Speaking as someone who has worked, and has beat it on vet, but still has yet to do so hardmode...To what end? I dont equate frustration with fun. That means none of us can criticize it until we reach your level of enlightenment? I know the mechanics and their impact on Vet, and on HM. But the answer is no, you, and others like you, would be telling us to 'L2P' even if I posted a HM achievement. You dont -want- to believe, that any criticism of COS has -some- merit.
And that's why we need to keep criticising it.
So let's pick this apart. Calling out someone's character flaw is a popular tactic when you're insulting someone. True. You do it well enough, Brogden, even if you're way off the mark in most cases. I was pointing to his behavior, and referencing the fact that he has a family which he is responsible for, to hold up the mirror and help him realize he's making a laughingstock of himself, and doing the people he's responsible for an injustice. I have the best of intentions when I do this.
Someone who quickly jumps to blame others for their own personal failures, especially out of anger, should not have children.
I challenge you to refute this. As respectfully as I can.
I, as well as plenty of others, have been giving criticism and feedback, and otherwise attempting to rectify the issue the OP has been having, since this thread was created. If you choose to ignore that to fuel your own misguided sense of social justice, that's on you, not us, or the OP.
Everybody sees what you're doing. It's all in your own criticisms. You criticized Vaoh of hijacking threads for his own purposes, and here you are spreading slander, accusations, and otherwise making this thread into your own personal vendetta against people you can't reconcile yourself with. I'm sorry you feel this way. We are acting within the limitations of the Terms of Service. Your posts, on the other hand, have been significantly moderated every time you press 'Post Reply'.
Nobody has called into question whether you have beat the dungeon or not. Frankly, I don't care if you have. It's not something that holds a lot of clout in my life. You can sit here, and keep fighting your little social war against all of the people you think are out to get you. You can insult us, berate us, and otherwise gaslight and attempt to manipulate us into giving you what you want, all you want.
It's not working.
I hope you find your peace, eventually.
@DoctordarkspawnEdited by Judas Helviaryn on March 8, 2017 3:14AM5 -
Jaeme Diam✭✭✭I love Cradle of Shadows. One of my favorite dungeons.
Just saw something funny happen there tonight. Tank was blaming healer because he died to the spike even though I tried explaining the mechanic to him.
RoM though...I do not care for it at all.3 -
JDC1985✭✭✭This is a 100% l2p issue the 1st time I ever went in there it might have taken an hour to clear then hardmode a few runs later and lastly no death maybe 10 runs later.0
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Martan✭✭✭Cradle of Shadows is one of my favorite dungeons! The Velidreth boss fight is super fun. It's just very mechanic based, unlike most dungeons in ESO.Addons that should already be in-game
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raglau✭✭✭✭✭
It's a dungeon. I have a family to take care of, a more than full time job, and priorities outside of a video game that have to be adressed.
When I get home from work and hop into the pos activity finder, I'm expecting 30 minutes to an hour for a run, regardless of group participants.
You're hardly alone there, we all have that stuff, and therefore pick our content accordingly. When I run group content when and I have something pressing approaching, I pick something I know I can complete for a fact in that time, such as do my daily on normal because I know I can solo it in 10 mins even if the team is a bunch of weaklings.
I certainly don't pick CoS or CoA2 on vet when I've got an important conference call approaching! What were you thinking, surely you had an inkling vCoS was not going to be done in 30 mins on your first run??!! LOL!!
I had some sympathies with you up to this point, but that really has tickled me, you thinking someone in ZOS should be fired because your own time management is not the best, I've read it all now. I can only imagine how you react when your children are slow at eating their dinner!
On that note, I DO have a meeting to attend, so I'll make sure I manage my own time effectively and leave you to it!
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You do realize someone has soloed vCoS, right?
Yes I do realise this.
it's not "super easy" like everyone has suggested. Ohh btw I said go do it on a stam nb. Has a stam nb soloed it? Not to my knowledge so you're point is irrelevant (aka bait).
The people saying it's "super easy" are trolling or being elitist. It generally requires a good group who know mechanics.
Yet with the words "super easy" being used then please everyone go solo it, may take you about 10 hours or more on only a magsorc.
Good luck everyone (by everyone I mean the condescending ppl) go solo this "super easy" dungeon each time you have it for your pledge. Edited by Wrecking_Blow_Spam on March 8, 2017 7:17AMXbox one EU
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✭✭Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »
Yes I do realise this.
it's not "super easy" like everyone has suggested. Ohh btw I said go do it on a stam nb. Has a stam nb soloed it? Not to my knowledge so you're point is irrelevant (aka bait).
The people saying it's "super easy" are trolling or being elitist. It generally requires a good group who know mechanics.
Yet with the words "super easy" being used then please everyone go solo it, may take you about 10 hours or more on only a magsorc.
Good luck everyone (by everyone I mean the condescending ppl) go solo this "super easy" dungeon each time you have it for your pledge.
If it wasn't super easy then people wouldn't be getting the skin...kind of stupid to rinse people who have done the no death challenge. If 4 people in the same sitting are going flawless on it then yes it easy to them.
100m sprint for Usain Bolt in under 10s is super easy for him and gets to gloat about it.PC Master Race
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✭Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »
Good luck everyone (by everyone I mean the condescending ppl) go solo this "super easy" dungeon each time you have it for your pledge.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AERwgNvgMmc
Edit: Nice of you to take out your "Flawless" on your 8 toons. I guess you realized that nobody cares. Edited by FleetwoodSmack on March 8, 2017 7:29AMTell me lies, tell me sweet little lies!3 -
rob_ber✭✭✭Looking back at these replies:
-some of you really are elitist arse holes.
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Needless to say, I won't be bothering with this particular dungeon again for some time. It didn't help that I was already pissed off before even joining the group because I had just gotten through struggling with a vet fungal grotto 2 group where the cp121 tank couldn't position bosses and literally did nothing but spam chains, and the two dps (I was healing that run) had 15k health and were apparently colorblind to red circles.
As for CoS it is clearly L2P issue. No one blazed through that dungeon in first try, learn the mechanics. And you calling people elitist, read your last paragraph ... just sayin'
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✭✭✭✭✭Judas Helviaryn wrote: »
So let's pick this apart. Calling out someone's character flaw is a popular tactic when you're insulting someone. True. You do it well enough, Brogden, even if you're way off the mark in most cases. I was pointing to his behavior, and referencing the fact that he has a family which he is responsible for, to hold up the mirror and help him realize he's making a laughingstock of himself, and doing the people he's responsible for an injustice. I have the best of intentions when I do this.
Someone who quickly jumps to blame others for their own personal failures, especially out of anger, should not have children.
I challenge you to refute this. As respectfully as I can.
I, as well as plenty of others, have been giving criticism and feedback, and otherwise attempting to rectify the issue the OP has been having, since this thread was created. If you choose to ignore that to fuel your own misguided sense of social justice, that's on you, not us, or the OP.
Everybody sees what you're doing. It's all in your own criticisms. You criticized Vaoh of hijacking threads for his own purposes, and here you are spreading slander, accusations, and otherwise making this thread into your own personal vendetta against people you can't reconcile yourself with. I'm sorry you feel this way. We are acting within the limitations of the Terms of Service. Your posts, on the other hand, have been significantly moderated every time you press 'Post Reply'.
Nobody has called into question whether you have beat the dungeon or not. Frankly, I don't care if you have. It's not something that holds a lot of clout in my life. You can sit here, and keep fighting your little social war against all of the people you think are out to get you. You can insult us, berate us, and otherwise gaslight and attempt to manipulate us into giving you what you want, all you want.
It's not working.
I hope you find your peace, eventually.
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So tell me, what's your strategy in a fight where you constantly lose all magicka, stamina, and ultimate, and randomly take 40k damage spikes?
Learn to play my arse. This isn't a l2p issue, it's a zos doesn't know frak all about how to design interesting boss mechanics so get just give you a giant middle finger.
Think I've found your problem... There seems to be a problem between the computer and the chair.
But seriously, Cradle of Shadows isn't supposed to be a cake walk to first timers. You need to learn what gives your resources back, how to conserve your Magika/Stam pools (Use Synergies like your life depends on it, because it literally does. And fully charged heavy attacks if you're REALLY struggling for resources) and learn the mechanics. But it could also be a problem with another member of the group. E.G. if the healer doesn't give the tank shards for Stam and they run out, no blocking/taunting and then everyone wipes.
There are a few things in there that are designed to *** you over with 40k damage if The tank isn't paying attention/No one goes to interrupt the attack or what ever. My group I run with, we all went in blind, didn't know a thing about it, kept banging our heads against a brick wall until something worked. (Figuratively speaking). If it didn't, we tried a new tactic. Like the last boss mechanic where she goes up into the ceiling, took me a couple of deaths to realize when that happens to stand the hell still and wait for the screen to return to normal and then dodge roll to avoid being one shot.
TL;DR: There's nothing wrong with CoS. You, or your group you run with need to adapt to survive.
EDIT:Lord_Dexter wrote: »
Running vet version with pugs is very difficult!
You need a good group! Thats all but yes final boss one shot kill and magicka/stamina drain bubble are troublesome!
I had ran vet couple of times and got Helm so no need to run again this dark cavern
That reminds me, DON'T run this one with randoms. You will need a regular group that you can be in Voice chat with to co-ordinate.Edited by Dragonking06 on March 8, 2017 8:43AMPC - NA ServerNora Wolf-bane - Nord - Knight of Alkosh, Tank"We both looked into the Abyss. But when it looked back... You blinked."1 -
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So tell me, what's your strategy in a fight where you constantly lose all magicka, stamina, and ultimate, and randomly take 40k damage spikes?
Learn to play my arse. This isn't a l2p issue, it's a zos doesn't know frak all about how to design interesting boss mechanics so get just give you a giant middle finger.
You dont lose stamina, mag and ult at the same time. I bet you are moving around too much and hitting all the orbs at once. Dont save your ultimate, use it immediately. The 40k damage spike you talking about are not random. I bet tank lost aggro. Last 3 times I did craddle, we completed hardmode on first try, and Im in craddle maybe once a month max. If its not l2p, were we just lucky then?PC, EU server, Ebonheart Pact
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✭OrphanHelgen wrote: »
You dont lose stamina, mag and ult at the same time. I bet you are moving around too much and hitting all the orbs at once. Dont save your ultimate, use it immediately. The 40k damage spike you talking about are not random. I bet tank lost aggro. Last 3 times I did craddle, we completed hardmode on first try, and Im in craddle maybe once a month max. If its not l2p, were we just lucky then?
Honestly this thread inspired me to go check out more of the mechanics; because you know... I'm just that type of person for torture. If these people would stop complaining at the "OH YOU'RE TELLING ME TO L2P" and ACTUALLY put it to use? They'd have a blast. I did. Even ran vRoM too. Chudan was on my arse the whole time. Absolutely love these dungeons!Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies!2 -
Ender1310✭✭✭✭@Lynx7386 Sorry you appear to be having trouble now, but the posters in the thread give salient advice, once you take this you'll breeze through it at your levels. It's just a mechanical process, like all dungeons, albeit slightly harder than the usual ESO fayre.
Most ESO dungeons are faceroll-stand-there-nuke-everything-in-your-sleep, but CoS is actually one of the few ESO dungeons I enjoy running, because it makes you think and move about for once.
I've never had a particular issue with CoS but situational awareness is key. Certainly with the levels of chars you tell us were in there, it ought to not be a problem, so long as the builds are coherent and people are watching what they are doing. I don't run meta or trials gear for example, and am only CP550 and I've never had an issue.
I do t know about easy. But the mechanics are super specific and most you can work around. Still don't think it's easy as people say but alright.0