Dueling should be considered a crime

NewBlacksmurf

It should phase ppl out of town

Tan9oSuccka

Dawnblade wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

Or, you could just ignore it. Let them have their fun.

Duels cause performance issues with the spamming of abilities in crowded areas a key contributor to lag, as well as encourage players to congregate in areas that are already difficult if not impossible to reach / log into when crowded.

Duels should be restricted to non-town areas, baring that, the OPs idea to have guards arrest and cite players for dueling would be an improvement.

I agree with this and the OP.

Dueling is fine but I don't want it in cities and next to crafting tables or the undaunted tent.

Fudly_budly

Typhoios wrote: »

But dueling at Undaunted enclaves just feels right. It is exactly what the Undaunted would do while waiting for their dungeon party to get ready for the expedition.

Undaunted! Undaunted! We are Undaunted!

agree!! I would love it if they'd just go there. Seems to me they'd find more dueling action there anyway.

Iluvrien

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

The flip side of the coin, yes, there are some try hards, but there are try hards everywhere; Group dungeons, PvP, duelling, Trails etc. Rather than gripe about us, aim your destain towards ZoS. Only they can improve the lag and load times. People who duel aren't the ones at fault, that will be the current servers or whatever it is that are at fault.

I actually agree that there is very little point aiming comments at other players. ZoS were the ones who caused this by not listening to the people who raised concerns about this very issue when Dueling was suggested... and the killing of NPCs in the DB were suggested... and every time killable guards are suggested.

ZoS could have solved this at the beginning, when these systems were rolled out. They didn't.

Ajaxandriel

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

Roleplaying bothers me. Can you take it into the forest in the middle of nowhere? Good.

Duelling in cities, hype.

I don't know how far there's a kind of irony intended there. But at the very begining -
Remember that we were expecting to have the choice between Roleplay Phases and Non-Roleplay Phases.
- That we did never get.

Even if I agree the OP idea of "criminilazing" duels in town to a certain extent... I would rather see these two different phases implemented.

Having to see random sparking foolish characters battling and jumping all around waypoints in total impunity is quite disturbing. And this lowers strongly the immersive experience. Like getting back to WoW if you know what I mean - even in WoW the Duels are not allowed in cities at all.

Having to deal with Duel provocations from said Random Sparking Characters is even more disturbing. Almost to the point of harassment.

Besides I understand well the need of casual duels and all this new pvp stuff, that's why criminalizing it into cities won't be the proper solution.

IMO the best solution is ZOS thinking again about RP phases and OOC phases. Then, everyone could fit one's true enjoyment, around waypoints and anywhere else.

CapnPhoton

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

If anything area chat should be a crime. It disturbs the peace much more than dueling does.

You can choose to turn off area chat.

You cannot choose to turn off mass attention seekers dueling in populated areas.

LadyLavina

Arato wrote: »

Just as I figured when they added in dueling it'd be happening right next to the waypoints in every city in every zone unless the zone is dead. It's a bother in MMO's and a visual eyesore that doesn't belong smack in the middle of towns.

Make it incur a bounty so that duelers have to avoid the guards/witnesses and take that bother out in the wilderness where it doesn't bother anyone else.

[Edit to remove inappropriate remark.]

lol what an absolutely terrible idea. Not sure if troll or what, but genuinely bad.

Let people have their fun

Joy_Division

Arato wrote: »

ZiRM wrote: »

If dueling causes you lag it's time to get a decent gaming PC and toss the potato powered pos. While you're at it get a decent monitor..

My computer's fine, once I can get loaded into a zone it runs the game at 60fps. That doesn't make duels less of an eyesore.

Nice. Because other people's ideas of having fun in ESO are different than your own, it's an eyesore and should be criminalized.

Arato

notimetocare wrote: »

People having performance issues should look at their rigs and probably turn settings down. Ive never had an issue and I am not even at recommend specs

My rig runs the game at a constant 60fps (which with vsync enabled is what I've capped frames at), it's not that the issue I have is loading into cities where dueling is going on, the loading screen gets stuck and lasts forever, I have to end up loading into an unpopulated waypoint and riding into towns, all for your stupid duels because you think you have to have an audience when reality is, very few people actually care or watch.

Arato

runagate wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Would make it more fun and realistic, if the they have to take the fight away from the city and the guards.

No two start a fight infront of a police officer

Oddly enough that's not even remotely true. In fact an acquaintance of mine started a fight with a cop car that there was no cop in, who was watching him from across the street. Said person was very, very intoxicated.

Plus, if you're in Canada the cop that comes to break up a fight might dance in your video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvPsu41EBN4

That's hilarious, but still, he did his job, he thought it was a fight and came to break it up, turns out it was a dance battle lol

Chirru

Arato wrote: »

Just as I figured when they added in dueling it'd be happening right next to the waypoints in every city in every zone unless the zone is dead. It's a bother in MMO's and a visual eyesore that doesn't belong smack in the middle of towns.

Make it incur a bounty so that duelers have to avoid the guards/witnesses and take that bother out in the wilderness where it doesn't bother anyone else.

[Edit to remove inappropriate remark.]

Sorry to say this: The PvP Crowd is the most easily agitated (macho); bored and show-off crowd there is (in my opinion).
They got so bored with the designated PvP arenas that the only way left is to show off their skills is in dueling in PvE areas.
Or in other words... the moment no one watches them their fun is over.

the moment anyone speaks against this (like I do) they are merciless ridiculed and shouted down.
It is an old issue that has been present since the dawn of online-games and sorry to say...speaking against it is just a lost battle for these people simply can not be corrected. So ignore them and they eventually get so bored they will disappear.

DragonBound

Arato wrote: »

Just as I figured when they added in dueling it'd be happening right next to the waypoints in every city in every zone unless the zone is dead. It's a bother in MMO's and a visual eyesore that doesn't belong smack in the middle of towns.

Make it incur a bounty so that duelers have to avoid the guards/witnesses and take that bother out in the wilderness where it doesn't bother anyone else.

[Edit to remove inappropriate remark.]

Yes I find it non immersive but I also find it even more non immersive when you see multiple people sneaking in broad day light taking out the npcs your talking to.

But if it did not exist dueling would be more annoying and difficult to do.

Drasn

I think you are all being a little dramatic. Perma load screens? Duels aren't causing that. Sparkly animations distracting you? That happened before duels and would happen regardless. Can't focus on buying things and crafting? They make real-life medication for that, see a doctor. Immersion? Really? That's the go to when all other arguments fail, "My immersion hurts, please fix it."

I port all over the place on seven different characters at all times of the day, I see maybe one or two duels a day. I have been challenged to two duels, total. I declined both and wasn't harassed in any way by these people for declining.

For the record, I haven't dueled anyone, not once and I don't plan to. It's not my thing, just like creepy public RP isn't my thing, or taking part in the offensive and trollish zone chat conversations, but I'm grown and mature enough to understand that some people enjoy those things and I accept that.

TLDR: Get over it.

TARAFRAKA

thomas.k.grayb14_ESO wrote: »

I think you are all being a little dramatic. Perma load screens? Duels aren't causing that. Sparkly animations distracting you? That happened before duels and would happen regardless. Can't focus on buying things and crafting? They make real-life medication for that, see a doctor. Immersion? Really? That's the go to when all other arguments fail, "My immersion hurts, please fix it."

I port all over the place on seven different characters at all times of the day, I see maybe one or two duels a day. I have been challenged to two duels, total. I declined both and wasn't harassed in any way by these people for declining.

For the record, I haven't dueled anyone, not once and I don't plan to. It's not my thing, just like creepy public RP isn't my thing, or taking part in the offensive and trollish zone chat conversations, but I'm grown and mature enough to understand that some people enjoy those things and I accept that.

TLDR: Get over it.

This.
This thread is the definition of FIRST WORLD PROBLEMS.

Zaldan

Dueling - the reason player housing is capped and why we'll never have Guild Halls, nice

jircris11

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

I'm just as much bothered when I see people roleplay in chat, as you are when you see people duel.

if you are talking /say then i do not see the issue with it. RPers typically are not spamming duel invites and skills causing your FPS to drop. sure they spam up chat but you can click ignore on them and PRESTO no more spam. where duelers are still there no mater what. Now if its in zone chat..those people tend to get annoying. besides MOST rpers tend to go to taverns or out side of cities.

Molydeus

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Arato wrote: »

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

I used to be against it in towns until I got bored of the same old PvE thing and now, I don't mind it at all. It allows people wishing to duel to find others quickly. Do I think people should be doing it in banks or next to crafting tables etc etc? No, but busy wayshrines are fine because it's where most people just hang around anyway doing nothing other than trash talk or spamming their AoE's. At least now they have the option of actually doing something the game encourages them to do.

I think something should be done about the bots and rubber banders that ruin certain areas for those wishing to play the game how it's intended to be played, not those using a feature ZoS gave us to use.

But it also means people have problems loading into towns where people are dueling right on the wayshrine. I end up having to alt+f4 and pick a wayshrine outside of the town in order to go to a town now, it's obnoxious. All because duel w****s feel they need an audience. Let's face it, if you're so cool that people would want to watch you, they'd subscribe to your twitch stream, if you need to FORCE people to watch you by doing stuff right on top of populated areas, you're not so cool.

@Arato As things stand, we can duel in these areas and no amount of condescending claptrap from you and your ilk is gonna change that. I have as much right to duel anywhere that will allow it as you do using a crafting table or trading with other players. I can't speak on behalf of others and I don't claim to do so, but I'm 42 years old and my days of trying to impress people are long gone. What people may think about me in-game, whether it be negative or positive is water of a duck's back. I duel at wayshrines because it's the easiest and quickest method to find like minded people and it has absolutely nothing to do with trying to impress you. Seriously, don't flatter yourself. I don't know you, you don't know me, so what you think of me means nothing to me. Not being a ***, because lets be honest, you don't give a jot about what I think about you either. Works both ways.

The flip side of the coin, yes, there are some try hards, but there are try hards everywhere; Group dungeons, PvP, duelling, Trails etc. Rather than gripe about us, aim your destain towards ZoS. Only they can improve the lag and load times. People who duel aren't the ones at fault, that will be the current servers or whatever it is that are at fault.

Take notes everyone. This is what a selfish person looks like.

Imryll

I suppose another solution could be to move certain wayshrines or place hedges around them so that they are less inviting to duellers.

max_only

Why not just turn off dueling in city limits (safe zones that don't give you the 10 sec logout)?

The undaunted enclave (if outside the city) seems like a reasonable place to have a duel. I used to remember running up to merchants with my weapons drawn and being told "Khajiit does not play those games" So it's a perfectly reasonable thing to implement

xSkullfox

At least add a safezone radius around wayshrines and some larger cities where ppl cannot duel.

Riejael

Dueling near guards causing agro on guards makes sense. In Everquest this was a thing though the guards would pick the person with the lowest faction to them. Or if both were disliked by the faction, they would ignore them.

Dillpat

Vipstaakki wrote: »

Arato wrote: »

Just as I figured when they added in dueling it'd be happening right next to the waypoints in every city in every zone unless the zone is dead. It's a bother in MMO's and a visual eyesore that doesn't belong smack in the middle of towns.

Make it incur a bounty so that duelers have to avoid the guards/witnesses and take that bother out in the wilderness where it doesn't bother anyone else.

[Edit to remove inappropriate remark.]

I totally agree with you. Dueling in cities should be a crime and the guards should attack you for it.
Fortunately the towns on PC/EU have been relatively dueling free. It was terrible when dueling first was released.

apart from rawl pre patch

M0bi

Cadbury wrote: »

I wish ZOS would build an arena specifically designed for dueling....

This^^^

I remember before vet ranks hit us that after one completed a zone there was hardly any incentive to go back to any of them. people would huddle in PvP or in Elden Root and the like. ZoS has done well to disperse players again with quests/writs and farming sets.

In short, I see no reason not to have a Dueling arena in one of the lesser used zones....Cold Harbour perhaps...?

runagate

M0bi wrote: »

Cadbury wrote: »

I wish ZOS would build an arena specifically designed for dueling....

This^^^

I remember before vet ranks hit us that after one completed a zone there was hardly any incentive to go back to any of them. people would huddle in PvP or in Elden Root and the like. ZoS has done well to disperse players again with quests/writs and farming sets.

In short, I see no reason not to have a Dueling arena in one of the lesser used zones....Cold Harbour perhaps...?

Are you guys kidding? There's quite literally an arena created just for dueling:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ra87ZrhAcNU

Arato

runagate wrote: »

M0bi wrote: »

Cadbury wrote: »

I wish ZOS would build an arena specifically designed for dueling....

This^^^

I remember before vet ranks hit us that after one completed a zone there was hardly any incentive to go back to any of them. people would huddle in PvP or in Elden Root and the like. ZoS has done well to disperse players again with quests/writs and farming sets.

In short, I see no reason not to have a Dueling arena in one of the lesser used zones....Cold Harbour perhaps...?

Are you guys kidding? There's quite literally an arena created just for dueling:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ra87ZrhAcNU

It'll rarely if ever get used as long as its more convenient to duel right next to a waypoint especially a waypoint in a busy town.

runagate

Arato wrote: »

runagate wrote: »

M0bi wrote: »

Cadbury wrote: »

I wish ZOS would build an arena specifically designed for dueling....

This^^^

I remember before vet ranks hit us that after one completed a zone there was hardly any incentive to go back to any of them. people would huddle in PvP or in Elden Root and the like. ZoS has done well to disperse players again with quests/writs and farming sets.

In short, I see no reason not to have a Dueling arena in one of the lesser used zones....Cold Harbour perhaps...?

Are you guys kidding? There's quite literally an arena created just for dueling:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ra87ZrhAcNU

It'll rarely if ever get used as long as its more convenient to duel right next to a waypoint especially a waypoint in a busy town.

Well, certainly I'm aware of that. They weren't even aware it existed. If only the people who designed this game realized how important transport and efficiency was. Even brand new players don't literally run across the zone just to engage in one activity.

I was pointed out to them that not having a WS at the arena would cause it to fail and it certainly has. Literally in the live chat of the demo when they first unveiled it.

Prof_Bawbag

Molydeus wrote: »

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Arato wrote: »

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

I used to be against it in towns until I got bored of the same old PvE thing and now, I don't mind it at all. It allows people wishing to duel to find others quickly. Do I think people should be doing it in banks or next to crafting tables etc etc? No, but busy wayshrines are fine because it's where most people just hang around anyway doing nothing other than trash talk or spamming their AoE's. At least now they have the option of actually doing something the game encourages them to do.

I think something should be done about the bots and rubber banders that ruin certain areas for those wishing to play the game how it's intended to be played, not those using a feature ZoS gave us to use.

But it also means people have problems loading into towns where people are dueling right on the wayshrine. I end up having to alt+f4 and pick a wayshrine outside of the town in order to go to a town now, it's obnoxious. All because duel w****s feel they need an audience. Let's face it, if you're so cool that people would want to watch you, they'd subscribe to your twitch stream, if you need to FORCE people to watch you by doing stuff right on top of populated areas, you're not so cool.

@Arato As things stand, we can duel in these areas and no amount of condescending claptrap from you and your ilk is gonna change that. I have as much right to duel anywhere that will allow it as you do using a crafting table or trading with other players. I can't speak on behalf of others and I don't claim to do so, but I'm 42 years old and my days of trying to impress people are long gone. What people may think about me in-game, whether it be negative or positive is water of a duck's back. I duel at wayshrines because it's the easiest and quickest method to find like minded people and it has absolutely nothing to do with trying to impress you. Seriously, don't flatter yourself. I don't know you, you don't know me, so what you think of me means nothing to me. Not being a ***, because lets be honest, you don't give a jot about what I think about you either. Works both ways.

The flip side of the coin, yes, there are some try hards, but there are try hards everywhere; Group dungeons, PvP, duelling, Trails etc. Rather than gripe about us, aim your destain towards ZoS. Only they can improve the lag and load times. People who duel aren't the ones at fault, that will be the current servers or whatever it is that are at fault.

Take notes everyone. This is what a selfish person looks like.

So people are now selfish because they use an in-game feature? Or because you thinking I shouldn't be using that feature makes no difference to me? Heard it all now. It's like calling you selfish because you choose to craft in the general vicinity whilst I'm entering a large hub. Last I checked, people have as much right to duel as you do to craft or use vendors. Selfish would be me going out my way to grief you doing something that the devs never intended us to do.

I loathe to use the word "entitled", but for some bizarre reason a lot of people around here think they're more entitled to craft etc than others are to duel. Nope. I'd say expecting everyone to pander to your desires is more selfish than allowing people to get on and play the game as its intended to be played. If people aren't supposed to fight in busy hubs, they'd have made it so. Use a crafting table or vendor way out in the wilderness if it irks you so.

Nahtal

It make sense, but think its not gonna change.

For me i do not care this.

Volrion

Arato wrote: »

Just as I figured when they added in dueling it'd be happening right next to the waypoints in every city in every zone unless the zone is dead. It's a bother in MMO's and a visual eyesore that doesn't belong smack in the middle of towns.

Make it incur a bounty so that duelers have to avoid the guards/witnesses and take that bother out in the wilderness where it doesn't bother anyone else.

[Edit to remove inappropriate remark.]

I'd like to just see it port you to an instance instead.

- Would remove lag
- Doesn't *** anyone else off
- Would remove lag

pipelighter

Arato wrote: »

Just as I figured when they added in dueling it'd be happening right next to the waypoints in every city in every zone unless the zone is dead. It's a bother in MMO's and a visual eyesore that doesn't belong smack in the middle of towns.

Make it incur a bounty so that duelers have to avoid the guards/witnesses and take that bother out in the wilderness where it doesn't bother anyone else.

[Edit to remove inappropriate remark.]

100% agree. If people want to duel then they should be allowed to but in a designated area in each town, like an Arena. The continual blasting and rubbishy disruption of duelling near shrines is merely a sign of the mental capacity of those involved.