Dueling should be considered a crime

Humatiel

I agree, in fact trading in zone breaks my immersion and it needs to be bannable. You know what also grinds my gears, talking about things that aren't alliance specific, how dare we discuss day to day things and god forbid we discuss other alliances going-ons.

You know what zone just needs to enforce walking and remove the chat window, no other actions but questing is allowed.

mewcatus

If dueller's are inconsiderate enough to inconvenience others at central hub wayshrines and merchants/quest givers/crafting stations, then I would not hesitate to consistently throw mud balls and smoke bombs just to screw up their duels.

ZiRM

If dueling causes you lag it's time to get a decent gaming PC and toss the potato powered pos. While you're at it get a decent monitor..

Arato

Silver_Strider wrote: »

Arato wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Dueling should not be a crime.

How is an agreement between two people against the law? Just because you don't like to see it....

...people these days.

Go try to challenge someone to a duel right now, irl, go out in the streets and start punching each other in front of the cops. Surely they'll just let you have at it because it's an agreement between two people, it's not like you're disrupting other people at all!

It's not called Duels irl.
It's called World Stars
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PL8yhdGJPI

.. if people do that worldstar stuff knockout game, any of that in front of police officers, they're getting themselves arrested (at best, you know, cops can be pretty overzealous these days, they'd best HOPE they just go to jail). In this game, duelers should be avoiding the guards.

JWKe

No. Leave it to the players to decide. I hate it when a game company tells me how to play my game.

Arato

ZiRM wrote: »

If dueling causes you lag it's time to get a decent gaming PC and toss the potato powered pos. While you're at it get a decent monitor..

My computer's fine, once I can get loaded into a zone it runs the game at 60fps. That doesn't make duels less of an eyesore.

ZiRM

Arato wrote: »

ZiRM wrote: »

If dueling causes you lag it's time to get a decent gaming PC and toss the potato powered pos. While you're at it get a decent monitor..

My computer's fine, once I can get loaded into a zone it runs the game at 60fps. That doesn't make duels less of an eyesore.

An eyesore? LOL! This is a MMORPG and you will have people doing things that annoy you but you should know that because it is an ONLINE game. People race to mats and chests also OMG they got there before me! IT offends me when people digitally murder NPC's in front of me.... Such an eyesore! Make it all go away!!!

I think ZOS should focus more on important things like cheaters that run rampant in their game.

Vizier

Agreed. It should be outside of towns. It is, however, better than not having it at all as is, so... shrug.

It's distracting as **ll but then again so are so many other things like skill spam, mud balls, RP chat spam... Something for everyone I guess. The price we pay for playing an MMO.

Rene_Valionus

At first I found people that dueled in towns a tad bit annoying, ruining the atmosphere and what-not but then again people play how they like so saying that dueling in towns should be considered a crime is a tad bit of a overreaction.... i personally got over it rather quickly and now i find myself spectating sometimes when high level toons duel in town, its now a form of entertainment for me

Now people spamming invite duels., that's what i find annoying.. to the point i had to set duel invites to Auto-Decline.

Luigi_Vampa

But dueling at Undaunted enclaves just feels right. It is exactly what the Undaunted would do while waiting for their dungeon party to get ready for the expedition.

Undaunted! Undaunted! We are Undaunted!

Weasel_Tunneler

Dawnblade wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

Or, you could just ignore it. Let them have their fun.

Duels cause performance issues with the spamming of abilities in crowded areas a key contributor to lag, as well as encourage players to congregate in areas that are already difficult if not impossible to reach / log into when crowded.

Duels should be restricted to non-town areas, baring that, the OPs idea to have guards arrest and cite players for dueling would be an improvement.

2017, please, better gaming computers.

Arato

ZiRM wrote: »

Arato wrote: »

ZiRM wrote: »

If dueling causes you lag it's time to get a decent gaming PC and toss the potato powered pos. While you're at it get a decent monitor..

My computer's fine, once I can get loaded into a zone it runs the game at 60fps. That doesn't make duels less of an eyesore.

An eyesore? LOL! This is a MMORPG and you will have people doing things that annoy you but you should know that because it is an ONLINE game. People race to mats and chests also OMG they got there before me! IT offends me when people digitally murder NPC's in front of me.... Such an eyesore! Make it all go away!!!

I think ZOS should focus more on important things like cheaters that run rampant in their game.

People have to avoid the guards to assassinate NPC's. Exactly what I'm asking to happen for dueling, make it a crime in game so that people will have to be careful about where they do it.

ArchMikem

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

Or, you could just ignore it. Let them have their fun.

By letting them smack each other with AoEs inside a very cramped Bank?

mewcatus

AOE damage to npcs should be forced-enabled when duels begin. It will be awesome to see all the npcs go mad and wail on our brawlers.

Rev Rielle

If guards see two people dueling they should intervene. There are plenty of places to duel, including a place that is designed for it.

Additionally, it would be nice if there was some sort of incentive to duel in Hammerdeath Arena; some sort of positive reinforcement to encourage players to go there to duel.

The dueling in towns around Wayshrines, and other nonsensical areas is just poor planning on the developers part. Players always take the path of least resistance when given the chance. ZoS must have known this dueling problem was coming.

Leogon

qsnoopyjr wrote: »

People just feel intimidated by players who duel.

They like to use excuses, causes server lag.

Let me ask you something. Has the servers ever shut down because of dueling?
Nah, didnt think so.

Just cuz you are a baddie doesn't mean you got to spoil the fun for everyone.

Stay inside the bank or go to your house, if you want a judgement free zone.

I'm sorry but this has got to be the dumbest thing I've read this week.

notimetocare

People having performance issues should look at their rigs and probably turn settings down. Ive never had an issue and I am not even at recommend specs

Gargath

I think it's not a good idea to make dueling a crime, because of even more lag when a guard attacks people already in duels. That's a plenty more effects from additional duel participant and it's triple duel then.
Instead, set an area around the city where the ability to duel won't work. Simple sulution.

Tommy_The_Gun

"Dueling should be considered a crime"

No. Throwing mud balls at people should.

You can auto-cancel every duel attempt in options menu. You can not auto-cancel the mud ball effect.

117Dios

Cadbury wrote: »

I wish ZOS would build an arena specifically designed for dueling....

There is one, and I'm surprised no one noticed yet. It's west of Wayrest.

Prof_Bawbag

Arato wrote: »

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

I used to be against it in towns until I got bored of the same old PvE thing and now, I don't mind it at all. It allows people wishing to duel to find others quickly. Do I think people should be doing it in banks or next to crafting tables etc etc? No, but busy wayshrines are fine because it's where most people just hang around anyway doing nothing other than trash talk or spamming their AoE's. At least now they have the option of actually doing something the game encourages them to do.

I think something should be done about the bots and rubber banders that ruin certain areas for those wishing to play the game how it's intended to be played, not those using a feature ZoS gave us to use.

But it also means people have problems loading into towns where people are dueling right on the wayshrine. I end up having to alt+f4 and pick a wayshrine outside of the town in order to go to a town now, it's obnoxious. All because duel w****s feel they need an audience. Let's face it, if you're so cool that people would want to watch you, they'd subscribe to your twitch stream, if you need to FORCE people to watch you by doing stuff right on top of populated areas, you're not so cool.

@Arato As things stand, we can duel in these areas and no amount of condescending claptrap from you and your ilk is gonna change that. I have as much right to duel anywhere that will allow it as you do using a crafting table or trading with other players. I can't speak on behalf of others and I don't claim to do so, but I'm 42 years old and my days of trying to impress people are long gone. What people may think about me in-game, whether it be negative or positive is water of a duck's back. I duel at wayshrines because it's the easiest and quickest method to find like minded people and it has absolutely nothing to do with trying to impress you. Seriously, don't flatter yourself. I don't know you, you don't know me, so what you think of me means nothing to me. Not being a ***, because lets be honest, you don't give a jot about what I think about you either. Works both ways.

The flip side of the coin, yes, there are some try hards, but there are try hards everywhere; Group dungeons, PvP, duelling, Trails etc. Rather than gripe about us, aim your destain towards ZoS. Only they can improve the lag and load times. People who duel aren't the ones at fault, that will be the current servers or whatever it is that are at fault.

Gargath

117Dios wrote: »

Cadbury wrote: »

I wish ZOS would build an arena specifically designed for dueling....

There is one, and I'm surprised no one noticed yet. It's west of Wayrest.

Why not making simple Copy - Paste of the Kvatch Arena for pvp, it's so far the best looking and designed arena for duels.

Shogunami

It would only make sense for duelling to be considered illegal, at least in towns and settlements - it's highly immersion breaking and quite frankly dumb, not to mention the fact that it kills performance in cities.

I think people who disagree with this to be the same as those who want Dwemer as a playable race and dragons as mounts.
Sure, you can 'want' duelling to not be considered illegal, but it's absolutely nonsensical in the world itself.

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

If duelling lags you out, then upgrade your crap rig.

I take it you have close to no knowledge about computers and networks.

There are people, me included, who have PC's that cost $2500 and are still lagging/getting fps drops like crazy. It's not a computer thing, it's a poor optimization thing - objectively speaking.

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Just because you do not like something, does not mean that everyone has to bow down to peoples selfish desires.

So this only applies to your point of view and not the other way around?
One could argue with the exact same logic that dueling in town is selfish to those who do not like it.

Hence my only real gripe with dueling in towns is because it's stupid lore-wise.

mewcatus

In the first place, the purpose of guards in city is to keep the peace, the law and order. How is letting hoodlums brawling on each other with tonnes of spells and attacks not counter to that behaviour ?

Bigevilpeter

Would make it more fun and realistic, if the they have to take the fight away from the city and the guards.

No two start a fight infront of a police officer

runagate

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Would make it more fun and realistic, if the they have to take the fight away from the city and the guards.

No two start a fight infront of a police officer

Oddly enough that's not even remotely true. In fact an acquaintance of mine started a fight with a cop car that there was no cop in, who was watching him from across the street. Said person was very, very intoxicated.

Plus, if you're in Canada the cop that comes to break up a fight might dance in your video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvPsu41EBN4

TheShadowScout

Arato wrote: »

Just as I figured when they added in dueling it'd be happening right next to the waypoints in every city in every zone unless the zone is dead. It's a bother in MMO's and a visual eyesore that doesn't belong smack in the middle of towns.

Make it incur a bounty so that duelers have to avoid the guards/witnesses and take that bother out in the wilderness where it doesn't bother anyone else.

Actually... duelling in city limits being considered a crime -would- be fitting a classic clichee.

Anyone remember when the three musketeers wanted to have a little friendly duelling fun with a country rube, and what happened then with the guard?



And it would not mean that duelling in town was impossible. Just... that you better not let the guard see you doing it, or they'd interfere, and arrest both duellants. Now ask yourself... are the places in town guards -don't- go? Check out their partol routes, and in a pinch, move the duel outside somewhere...
"Let's meet behind the southern watchtower at noon, you cur! -slaps with glove-"
(Oh, and we definitely need a "slap with glove" emote as well!)


And added designated duelling areas would be a good addition.
There are some that could be made accessible... remember that instanced one in Eastmarch for the finale of the Windhelm festival questline? (the Hall of Trials where you help king Jorunn against another assassination attempt by the victorious duellist?) Or the Thizzrini arena in reapers march - once you get through the matching questline, the arenas could be opened up for all sorts of player based duelling fun...
And there are several "practice yard" areas around many places, all those could be "free duelling" areas... since really, that is part of practice, right? Including schools of swordsmanship, like Leki's Blade in the Alik'r... or those found in some military forst/castles...

Fudly_budly

@ZOS_GinaBruno and @ZOS_JessicaFolsom ... it seems that simply getting it out of banking/trading towns is a reasonable solution. Duelers can still duel and the rest of us can play. win/win... Yes? BTW, the "auto decline?" Yes. useful. But what you have done is to inject pvp into pve. Imo, most (certainly not all) pvers hate this. And, you guys are getting hammered constantly for lag. Doesn't dueling contribute to this?
If I were changing this, I would simply add a quest NPC in the Undaunted compound that would port duelers to an instance like an abandoned homestead mansion where they could wail away on each other to their hearts content. Please show some consideration to the many players who are asking to have something done about dueling in town. Thank you.

Prof_Bawbag

"Many players" is a slight exaggeration. How many threads have we had on here and how many of those asking for it come from unique users? Even if it amounts to just over 100 unique users complaining about it, that number doesn't constitute as "many" in the grand scheme of things. Again, the vocal amongst us consider themselves the millions who play any given game. People who don't care about it probably don't comment as is the case with all these things. I'm just one guy and don't speak for 100's of thousands of others, but I don't think it should be moved from city hubs. Indoors, yes, but people should be able to duel in cities.

Fudly_budly

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Arato wrote: »

And added designated duelling areas would be a good addition.
There are some that could be made accessible... remember that instanced one in Eastmarch for the finale of the Windhelm festival questline? (the Hall of Trials where you help king Jorunn against another assassination attempt by the victorious duellist?) Or the Thizzrini arena in reapers march - once you get through the matching questline, the arenas could be opened up for all sorts of player based duelling fun...
And there are several "practice yard" areas around many places, all those could be "free duelling" areas... since really, that is part of practice, right? Including schools of swordsmanship, like Leki's Blade in the Alik'r... or those found in some military forst/castles...

^^
C'mon ZOS. These places already exist in the game. You have Group areas in Craglorn. Why not Dueling Areas? It just can't be that difficult to tweak dueling a little for those of us who hate this interruption to game play so much.