200k AP/H sitting afk at BB mine

IcyDeadPeople

Mako1132 wrote: »

Personally a ban or suspension isn't necessary I prefer the idea someone said of rolling back the ap and probably removing PvP rank/stored AP(currency).

It seems like a simple solution, but what if one of those players earned, say 1 million AP and already spent it all to buy something. You could suggest to reduce their AP balance by the same amount, but what if they sold whatever items they purchased?

Do they end up with negative AP value until they earn more to make up the difference? Do you trace through the world economy all the items these people bought, to whom they sold it and make the item disappear, refund the gold of the third party?

And what if they spent AP on consumable items, like motifs, materials or siege equipment, that have already been consumed by the player or third party?

BuggeX

well lets face it, there isnt much zos could do, ban them? yea they are banned 3 days and still have the millions of ap.
remove ap isnt that easy as mention before. perma ban?, comon as zos would ban arround 200 Players with eso+ and prolly buying morrowind for pvp.

zos just shouldnt wait days to do something, just suspend them for one day right at the beginning and noone would bother going to the res and farm aps since they know they will be banned.

Mako1132

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

Mako1132 wrote: »

Personally a ban or suspension isn't necessary I prefer the idea someone said of rolling back the ap and probably removing PvP rank/stored AP(currency).

It seems like a simple solution, but what if one of those players earned, say 1 million AP and already spent it all to buy something. You could suggest to reduce their AP balance by the same amount, but what if they sold whatever items they purchased?

Do they end up with negative AP value until they earn more to make up the difference? Do you trace through the world economy all the items these people bought, to whom they sold it and make the item disappear, refund the gold of the third party?

And what if they spent AP on consumable items, like motifs, materials or siege equipment, that have already been consumed by the player or third party?

Negative AP.

Glamdring

The big problem is that with all the exploits being out there for years, and almost nothing done to the exploiters by ZoS has fostered a unhealthy mentality in the pvp population and especially among the top pvpers that you have to exploit to compete because most are doing it in one way or another. I dont say this is true though, i actually think its rare top pvpers exploit but that actually doesnt matter, it is the perception that they do and that they get away with it that makes ppl run to BB mine and take advantage of the increased AP.

So what to do from here on? Obviously the perception need to be changed. Shall thoose that went to BB mine take the hit from years of exploiting and ZoS incapability to handle it? Shall ZoS suddenly from nowhere take strong actions? I dont think so, its not fair at all considering how they behaved before and it will mostly hit the wrong ppl.Thoose that been exploiting and creating this mentality over the years have no need for more AP believe me. But as in life the big fishes usually survives and the small ones not.

BuggeX

Glamdring wrote: »

The big problem is that with all the exploits being out there for years, and almost nothing done to the exploiters by ZoS has fostered a unhealthy mentality in the pvp population and especially among the top pvpers that you have to exploit to compete because most are doing it in one way or another. I dont say this is true though, i actually think its rare top pvpers exploit but that actually doesnt matter, it is the perception that they do and that they get away with it that makes ppl run to BB mine and take advantage of the increased AP.

rare? i bet 100% exploit in one way or another, there are so many Bugs, you cant avoid exploiting. Vipern proc with poisen on Snipe was one of them. Rev Bash Stun, Fozillise Stam Drain, Gap Closer Root/Silence to Name a few.

oh and my Favorit exploit, Chain pull throught doors

simply you cant avoid exploiting since you whould have to run arround with no skills.

covenant_merchant

efster wrote: »

Just roll back all AP gained at this resource since patch. Those who went there legit once or twice won't lose much, and the roleplayers will still have their beautiful memories.

What about roleplayers that already got rid of the accidentally gained AP for they care not for such materialistic, meaningless rewards and would much rather share Akaviri motifs with others instead?

Decado

Take all the AP of the exploiters and then perma lock that accounts (and all chars present and future) with the title I exploited

I vote that title becomes same for any exploit, be it survey,vMoL, double mundus.

It would be *** hilarious

On a slightly more serious note we all m lw Zos has taken it lightly on exploiters in the past however I believe Zos has started 2017 looking strong with morrowing having a lot of hype and probably bringing ALOT of players back to the game, a perfect time to change their current stance and become tough on exploiters doing that can only benefit the game

Chuga_Rei

Zos, this is a chance for you to say "no more" while not ruining anything permanently. Nothing has to be permanent. Even if it's just a rollback.

This can be the shot over the bow that shows them you mean business.

Be honest with yourselves, this won't be the last time their is a flaw in a released patch, mistakes happen and that's fine, but it's a great clear cut case were you can say "ENOUGH" and that way if there is an issue down the road people can end up iced for good.

And the more I see these crappy posts by people justifying their actions, the more I'm ready to form a mob and go all day of the rope on these kids.

covenant_merchant

Decado wrote: »

Take all the AP of the exploiters and then perma lock that accounts (and all chars present and future) with the title I exploited

I vote that title becomes same for any exploit, be it survey,vMoL, double mundus.

It would be *** hilarious

"Exploiter" actually sounds better than Fighters Guild Champion

And since we're on the subject of new titles, could the Justice System get some love? I mean come on, Poultry Assassin and Guar Slayer sound way cooler than Maelstrom Arena Champ, Tamriel Hero and all these other pug titles.

Decado

covenant_merchant wrote: »

Decado wrote: »

Take all the AP of the exploiters and then perma lock that accounts (and all chars present and future) with the title I exploited

I vote that title becomes same for any exploit, be it survey,vMoL, double mundus.

It would be *** hilarious

"Exploiter" actually sounds better than Fighters Guild Champion

And since we're on the subject of new titles, could the Justice System get some love? I mean come on, Poultry Assassin and Guar Slayer sound way cooler than Maelstrom Arena Champ, Tamriel Hero and all these other pug titles.

Exploiter does sound along the same lines as silencer or something from one of those roleplay quest line

Poultry assassin best title 2017? And maybe guar slayer should unlock a new mount

Ernest145

I think it's funny that people try to justify it by saying "oh since zos didn't ban this person for exploiting, I shouldn't be punished for abusing a bug."

Yes they were wrong for not taking proper action in the past. That does not mean they shouldn't take any action now. People who did this more than once or twice knew it was a bug and continued to abuse it. They deserve whatever zos decides to do, I'm quite sure though zos won't do anything at all or do something very minor.

TequilaFire

The monster must die!

Jimbullbee85

At the end of the day ZOS left the gate open on this one. All they can do is put a better lock on it and move on.

Orchish

I was wondering why all last night and all day long BB Mine was flipping between 3 alliances constantly and instantly. Sad.

Xsorus

What would be cool is if they could just ban people from pvp campaigns. Get caught exploiting get a 30 ban from pvping in the campaigns

ishilb14_ESO

No one is going to get banned for this. Remember how many people got away with using a certain 3rd party program? Better yet, remember the original pancakes (Dragonclaw farm quest for the new people)?

KingYogi415

Time for ZOS to learn how 1-2 week bans work.

Not rocket science...

efster

covenant_merchant wrote: »

efster wrote: »

Just roll back all AP gained at this resource since patch. Those who went there legit once or twice won't lose much, and the roleplayers will still have their beautiful memories.

What about roleplayers that already got rid of the accidentally gained AP for they care not for such materialistic, meaningless rewards and would much rather share Akaviri motifs with others instead?

That's just too bad. All true roleplayers should understand that the RNGesus giveth, and RNGesus taketh away. And if there is no material "currency" AP to take away, surely rank is just as meaningless.

Forztr

Well currently on EU Haderus DC and EP are flipping Nikel. Takes them about 75 - 90secs to flip it. So the BB resource maybe fixed but outpost are equally effective.

Needs a cooldown on reward or something currently it's to easy to abuse and well it just makes a mockery of Cyrodiil.

Anazasi

Lets get some perspective. The players want to spend all this time complaining about AP a rather worthless commodity. While the following game breaking bugs exists in PVP.

1. Invisible players: Apparently small groups are simply and miraculously able to get this bug without much effort and of course they all claim its random. In either case do you think ZOS should be doing something about this immediately?
2. Gear switching while in combat: I know you all have seen it and wondered how does that archer go from massive DPS to running like the wind to never being caught, or those players that seem to never take damage and then flip cast destro ults and do massive amounts of damage. Well heard from a reliable source last night that there is a way to tie sets of gear to your weapon swap ability and are able to swap those sets regardless of combat status. So what they gain is the possibility of 4 set bonus's instead of 2. Is this not more important than AP farming?
3. Of course our favorite The CE cheat engine. This is still being used by several players.
4. All the other game breaking cheats that have yet to surface because apparently several players are smart enough to work around ZOS's engine.

This kind of cheating and exploiting is what is truly game breaking, but apparently the community is ok because these cheats only reward a very small number of players and there is no real concern of course until several of them ball up and run all over the map wiping other groups. However our community wants to worry about AP gained not by cheating the system but by working within the systems. So instead of players farming AP at a resource they are farming it at an outpost. Right or Wrong you can not apply a reward based system to a game and expect players to take advantage of a weakness you have programed into it.

Maybe AP should be held to the end of campaign for all players and if you win the campaign you get 100% of what you earned, 2nd place you get 75% of what you earned and finally 3rd place you get 50% of what you earned. I bet this never happens.

This entire debate over something as trivial as AP has totally left a sour taste in my mouth. I wish I could say it was from something else, but in all honesty, It has made me not want to log in.

KisoValley

Anazasi wrote: »

Lets get some perspective. The players want to spend all this time complaining about AP a rather worthless commodity. While the following game breaking bugs exists in PVP.

1. Invisible players: Apparently small groups are simply and miraculously able to get this bug without much effort and of course they all claim its random. In either case do you think ZOS should be doing something about this immediately?
2. Gear switching while in combat: I know you all have seen it and wondered how does that archer go from massive DPS to running like the wind to never being caught, or those players that seem to never take damage and then flip cast destro ults and do massive amounts of damage. Well heard from a reliable source last night that there is a way to tie sets of gear to your weapon swap ability and are able to swap those sets regardless of combat status. So what they gain is the possibility of 4 set bonus's instead of 2. Is this not more important than AP farming?
3. Of course our favorite The CE cheat engine. This is still being used by several players.
4. All the other game breaking cheats that have yet to surface because apparently several players are smart enough to work around ZOS's engine.

This kind of cheating and exploiting is what is truly game breaking, but apparently the community is ok because these cheats only reward a very small number of players and there is no real concern of course until several of them ball up and run all over the map wiping other groups. However our community wants to worry about AP gained not by cheating the system but by working within the systems. So instead of players farming AP at a resource they are farming it at an outpost. Right or Wrong you can not apply a reward based system to a game and expect players to take advantage of a weakness you have programed into it.

Maybe AP should be held to the end of campaign for all players and if you win the campaign you get 100% of what you earned, 2nd place you get 75% of what you earned and finally 3rd place you get 50% of what you earned. I bet this never happens.

This entire debate over something as trivial as AP has totally left a sour taste in my mouth. I wish I could say it was from something else, but in all honesty, It has made me not want to log in.

Small minded people, that's why.

RoT wins again.

kevlarto_ESO

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

We have the list of all players in the EU and NA that gained AP from Black Boot Mine and discussing what actions to take with that information.

Good burned at the stake for exploiting is always good But I really do hope you do something, more needs to be done to exploiters and cheaters in pvp, it is pretty bad and a turn off to a lot of people plus the bad reputation ZOD gets for not doing more about it. Thanks for anything you can do Brian

themdogesbite

Can you also fix the farming in NIkel on Haderus EU? ty

AbraXuSeXile

This will always be exploited just revert or change it, a flat AP rate is a joke. A mockery is being made out of this game.

I feel sorry for the people who have been earning their ranks and will end up rank 50 in a era where it means nothing at all.

Psilent

themdogesbite wrote: »

Can you also fix the farming in NIkel on Haderus EU? ty

They just need to close down the campaign. If Nikel is flipping like that it means the population on the campaign is to small to support it being open.

yamadas

Yea, ok just remove pvp aspect form game and be done.

Jaybe_Mawfaka

Meanwhile people are keep farming flat 200k ap per hour when sitting afk but now in outposts, but that's working as intended so no worries about it

r.jan_emailb16_ESO

Jaybe_Mawfaka wrote: »

Meanwhile people are keep farming flat 200k ap per hour when sitting afk but now in outposts, but that's working as intended so no worries about it

Oh dang, who would've thought of this

KisoValley

Jaybe_Mawfaka wrote: »

Meanwhile people are keep farming flat 200k ap per hour when sitting afk but now in outposts, but that's working as intended so no worries about it

Of course it's working as intended. It's only an exploit if it's a mistake by Zos that the players took advantage of. But when it's the exact same AP gains/hr by flipping outposts? It's legitimate of course.

Tarrocan

Now ,u can have lvl 50 in over 3 Weeks, not Bad for guys they not Working. Why the hell can u not increase AP for kills ppl?This would be more Fun