So.. What's the general feeling on the Morrowind Announcement?

Drazorious

I'm a subscriber and I'm on the fence

KhajitFurTrader wrote: »

Two words: Cliff Racers!

Oh god please no

Jimbullbee85

I'm a subscriber and I'm on the fence

Zanen wrote: »

The sub issue seems silly to me, you pay for current benefits, getting access to future DLCs is a benefit of subbing in the future.

I guess it would be fairer if the expansion could be bought with crowns, but I'm really not fussed about $40.

I do think they should add additional free character slots with the expansion though.I also think it's past time certain achievements and timesinks went account wide.

I like what I've seen so far, a lot of stuff that didn't make sense about their development priorities makes more sense now.

Yup I'd be quite happy to pay that much as long as it was in the crown store and I could use some of my stockpile of crowns from ESO+ to buy it. But they have changed the terms and conditions of ESO+ so that DLC content is available free to subs only if it is available in the crownstore. Having it in the crownstore would make it a DLC. Not having it in the crown creates a grey area where it is not a dlc but at the same time not a stand alone game. It's fair to assume that they're charging us on a technicality. It's been well thought through but many subs understand the capitalist agenda to maximise prifit and are not happy with it. Loyalty should be awarded not tiptoed around for profit IMO.

giff2830_ESO

I'm a subscriber and I'm not happy

I'm a subscriber, since the beginning and for only 2 more days, sub is cancelled as of then. I'm a little annoyed at the whole thing. Pre-ordered Morrowind though, but no longer will be subscribing.
Not angry, just ESO+ no longer justifies itself.

TerraDewBerry

I'm a subscriber and I'm happy

I'm super excited, and already pre-ordered. I'm counting the days until June 6th!! I also like that we'll get an expansion sized "Chapter" each year.

danno8

I'm a subscriber and I'm happy

Ourorboros wrote: »

Chadak wrote: »

I can understand why some aren't impressed at all by this DLC being called an expansion and thus put behind an additional paywall, but I also have perspective.

They gotta make money. I'd much prefer them charge for a proper expansion's array of content rather than push harder on the cash shop but give the expansion away at no extra charge.

They have to make money somewhere.

If only 10% of users sub, zos is making around $10 million/month. Do you really think only 10% sub for the crafting bad? It seems higher than that based on forum polls and group chat. How much does it cost to run this game? I have no experience here. Maybe it does cost more than 120 million a year, but I find that unlikely. Would you change your answer if you knew that zos was laughing all the way to the bank?

Your numbers work out to 666,000 subscritions per month at $15 / month in order to get the $10,000,000 you stated. If that is only 10% of the population in the game, then you believe the game has 6.6 million players?

I think you need to rethink your numbers.

jedtb16_ESO

I'm a subscriber and I'm happy

Ourorboros wrote: »

Chadak wrote: »

I can understand why some aren't impressed at all by this DLC being called an expansion and thus put behind an additional paywall, but I also have perspective.

They gotta make money. I'd much prefer them charge for a proper expansion's array of content rather than push harder on the cash shop but give the expansion away at no extra charge.

They have to make money somewhere.

If only 10% of users sub, zos is making around $10 million/month. Do you really think only 10% sub for the crafting bad? It seems higher than that based on forum polls and group chat. How much does it cost to run this game? I have no experience here. Maybe it does cost more than 120 million a year, but I find that unlikely. Would you change your answer if you knew that zos was laughing all the way to the bank?

tell me precious...... what is a crafting bad?

Cadbury

I'm a subscriber and I'm happy

Ourorboros wrote: »

Chadak wrote: »

I can understand why some aren't impressed at all by this DLC being called an expansion and thus put behind an additional paywall, but I also have perspective.

They gotta make money. I'd much prefer them charge for a proper expansion's array of content rather than push harder on the cash shop but give the expansion away at no extra charge.

They have to make money somewhere.

Would you change your answer if you knew that zos was laughing all the way to the bank?

I'd like them even more if that happened.

Astanphaeus

I'm a subscriber and I'm happy

I'm slightly annoyed that it's going to be a full year since the last actual DLC and the next one since I was justifying paying my subscription based on not having to buy a new DLC each quarter. At this point I'm going to have to decide whether or not it's still worthwhile, basically just for the crafting bag. But on the whole, Morrowind excites me and I can understand wanting to charge separately for it since it is such a large content dump.

Elsonso

I'm a subscriber and I'm happy

danno8 wrote: »

Ourorboros wrote: »

Chadak wrote: »

I can understand why some aren't impressed at all by this DLC being called an expansion and thus put behind an additional paywall, but I also have perspective.

They gotta make money. I'd much prefer them charge for a proper expansion's array of content rather than push harder on the cash shop but give the expansion away at no extra charge.

They have to make money somewhere.

If only 10% of users sub, zos is making around $10 million/month. Do you really think only 10% sub for the crafting bad? It seems higher than that based on forum polls and group chat. How much does it cost to run this game? I have no experience here. Maybe it does cost more than 120 million a year, but I find that unlikely. Would you change your answer if you knew that zos was laughing all the way to the bank?

Your numbers work out to 666,000 subscritions per month at $15 / month in order to get the $10,000,000 you stated. If that is only 10% of the population in the game, then you believe the game has 6.6 million players?

I think you need to rethink your numbers.

Ignore the 10% number. Just say that there are ~700k subscribers to ESO Plus. We can't know the real answer to that, so it is as good of a guess as any.

Ferretstalker

I'm a subscriber and I'm on the fence

I'm not going to buy it right away. I'm going to wait and see if there really is $40 dollars worth of content there before I buy it. I also want to know just how much of our progress will carry over, or if this is a brand new adventure separate from the rest.

My sub is also on the line, since no new updates means no reason to stay subbed for more content. Crafting bag isn't such a big deal when I'm already sufficiently geared and having fun in dungeons and pvp.

Sandman929

I'm not a subscriber and not happy

giff2830_ESO wrote: »

I'm a subscriber, since the beginning and for only 2 more days, sub is cancelled as of then. I'm a little annoyed at the whole thing. Pre-ordered Morrowind though, but no longer will be subscribing.
Not angry, just ESO+ no longer justifies itself.

Sort of in this camp, but I'm still subscribing. I love the game, but I'm not really sure what the subscription is doing for me in the "Access to DLC" department. I'll wait and see if the scope of the "new chapter" is worth being called an expansion, and therefore somehow much bigger than a DLC, but even if that's the case, what DLC's are we getting this year that I'll get to enjoy as part of my subscription without having to buy separately (notice I didn't say free, because I'm paying constantly rather than in one-shots).

Not leaving the game, not un-subbing yet, not even really angry, but we're getting housing (everyone is), One Tamriel wasn't a DLC...it's a lot of base content that's been added, and that's good for everyone. But it feels like one of the perks ESO + isn't being delivered.

jedtb16_ESO

I'm a subscriber and I'm happy

lordrichter wrote: »

danno8 wrote: »

Ourorboros wrote: »

Chadak wrote: »

I can understand why some aren't impressed at all by this DLC being called an expansion and thus put behind an additional paywall, but I also have perspective.

They gotta make money. I'd much prefer them charge for a proper expansion's array of content rather than push harder on the cash shop but give the expansion away at no extra charge.

They have to make money somewhere.

If only 10% of users sub, zos is making around $10 million/month. Do you really think only 10% sub for the crafting bad? It seems higher than that based on forum polls and group chat. How much does it cost to run this game? I have no experience here. Maybe it does cost more than 120 million a year, but I find that unlikely. Would you change your answer if you knew that zos was laughing all the way to the bank?

Your numbers work out to 666,000 subscritions per month at $15 / month in order to get the $10,000,000 you stated. If that is only 10% of the population in the game, then you believe the game has 6.6 million players?

I think you need to rethink your numbers.

Ignore the 10% number. Just say that there are ~700k subscribers to ESO Plus. We can't know the real answer to that, so it is as good of a guess as any.

yeah.... but is all just smoke and mirrors..... pretending you know something and then basing criticism on that.

really, is that the best you can do?

Neophyte

Can somebody kindly clear this up for me.

How big is this expansion supposed to be. What I mean by that, is it just a one off thing like orsinium with a short story line, a dungeon or 2 and some new craftsble sets and some world bosses. Or is it more likely to be something huge? As in a whole new world type thing with hundreds to do.

Ps I didn't play Morrowind originally

danno8

I'm a subscriber and I'm happy

lordrichter wrote: »

danno8 wrote: »

Ourorboros wrote: »

Chadak wrote: »

I can understand why some aren't impressed at all by this DLC being called an expansion and thus put behind an additional paywall, but I also have perspective.

They gotta make money. I'd much prefer them charge for a proper expansion's array of content rather than push harder on the cash shop but give the expansion away at no extra charge.

They have to make money somewhere.

If only 10% of users sub, zos is making around $10 million/month. Do you really think only 10% sub for the crafting bad? It seems higher than that based on forum polls and group chat. How much does it cost to run this game? I have no experience here. Maybe it does cost more than 120 million a year, but I find that unlikely. Would you change your answer if you knew that zos was laughing all the way to the bank?

Your numbers work out to 666,000 subscritions per month at $15 / month in order to get the $10,000,000 you stated. If that is only 10% of the population in the game, then you believe the game has 6.6 million players?

I think you need to rethink your numbers.

Ignore the 10% number. Just say that there are ~700k subscribers to ESO Plus. We can't know the real answer to that, so it is as good of a guess as any.

Well then my guess of 100,000-200,000 subscribers is just as valid, or just as wrong.

Tavore1138

I'm a subscriber and I'm happy

I'm fine with it with one caveat - they continue to release other plausible DLC 3 or 4 times a year and that DLC continues to be free for ESO+ users. Then if they want to release an Expansion every 3 years or so to revitalise the game and add major additional elements then fine.... as long as I am still enjoying playing then £40 extra every few years isn't going to phase me unduly.

Sandman929

I'm not a subscriber and not happy

Tavore1138 wrote: »

I'm fine with it with one caveat - they continue to release other plausible DLC 3 or 4 times a year and that DLC continues to be free for ESO+ users. Then if they want to release an Expansion every 3 years or so to revitalise the game and add major additional elements then fine.... as long as I am still enjoying playing then £40 extra every few years isn't going to phase me unduly.

Apparently they want to release new Chapters once a year. And if that's what it takes to get new classes, I'll pay. Or I'll pay more, I should say.

NewBlacksmurf

I'm a subscriber and I'm happy

lordrichter wrote: »

danno8 wrote: »

Ourorboros wrote: »

Chadak wrote: »

I can understand why some aren't impressed at all by this DLC being called an expansion and thus put behind an additional paywall, but I also have perspective.

They gotta make money. I'd much prefer them charge for a proper expansion's array of content rather than push harder on the cash shop but give the expansion away at no extra charge.

They have to make money somewhere.

If only 10% of users sub, zos is making around $10 million/month. Do you really think only 10% sub for the crafting bad? It seems higher than that based on forum polls and group chat. How much does it cost to run this game? I have no experience here. Maybe it does cost more than 120 million a year, but I find that unlikely. Would you change your answer if you knew that zos was laughing all the way to the bank?

Your numbers work out to 666,000 subscritions per month at $15 / month in order to get the $10,000,000 you stated. If that is only 10% of the population in the game, then you believe the game has 6.6 million players?

I think you need to rethink your numbers.

Ignore the 10% number. Just say that there are ~700k subscribers to ESO Plus. We can't know the real answer to that, so it is as good of a guess as any.

I can confirm that most on Xbox one don't subscribe. That's prob 700k people tho so it's all a wild assumption and speculation but we do know that ESO plus on Xbox one doesn't give crowns and ppl often have very negative interactions trying to get them from support

Results in a heck of a lot less subs.
Xbox also doesn't have anything other than 1 month

Conclusion.....your math is waaaaay off

Tavore1138

I'm a subscriber and I'm happy

Sandman929 wrote: »

Tavore1138 wrote: »

I'm fine with it with one caveat - they continue to release other plausible DLC 3 or 4 times a year and that DLC continues to be free for ESO+ users. Then if they want to release an Expansion every 3 years or so to revitalise the game and add major additional elements then fine.... as long as I am still enjoying playing then £40 extra every few years isn't going to phase me unduly.

Apparently they want to release new Chapters once a year. And if that's what it takes to get new classes, I'll pay. Or I'll pay more, I should say.

Yeah, saw the news just after I posted - I guess it will depend on the quality of the 3 other DLC.

Cherryblossom

Strange one, I like the update, but I can see my Sub has no Value anymore
so


This would be the only way to show you value your sub as much as Zenimax

ixie

I'm a subscriber and I'm on the fence

I'm happy we're going to get expansion size content every year, I'm not happy that I can't pay for it with crowns

Sandman929

I'm not a subscriber and not happy

If one of the future chapters is called Elder Scrolls Online: Stable Servers, I'll pay whatever price tag they put on it.

Velvelya

I'm not a subscriber and not happy

I feel pretty bad for the people who pay continuously and now also have to shell out more money for something--that as far as I'm concerned is DLC.

Seems cheaty to me.

dday3six

I'm a subscriber and I'm on the fence

The phrase "moving the goal post", comes to mind. ESO has to keep changing their business model, and I'm worried ZOS might go the route of freemium at some point. While there are F2P's I really enjoyed such as Warframe. There's also the other end like Neverwinter which is designed to blatantly squeeze money out of players while giving them little in return. Hell even Warframe was bought up by Perfect World Entertainment (same company ultimately behind Neverwinter) and started implementing scummy cash grabs. It concerns me that ESO might go that route.

I'm not opposed to paying for an expansion, but I'm concerned if the expansion is going to be much of anything. I'm also conflicted about things like battlegrounds being locked behind a paywall. I can understand a new class, but a highly asked for gamemode that could potentially clean up a lot of the slop in PVP? That's just something which doesn't quite sit well with me.

Elsonso

I'm a subscriber and I'm happy

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

danno8 wrote: »

Ourorboros wrote: »

Chadak wrote: »

I can understand why some aren't impressed at all by this DLC being called an expansion and thus put behind an additional paywall, but I also have perspective.

They gotta make money. I'd much prefer them charge for a proper expansion's array of content rather than push harder on the cash shop but give the expansion away at no extra charge.

They have to make money somewhere.

If only 10% of users sub, zos is making around $10 million/month. Do you really think only 10% sub for the crafting bad? It seems higher than that based on forum polls and group chat. How much does it cost to run this game? I have no experience here. Maybe it does cost more than 120 million a year, but I find that unlikely. Would you change your answer if you knew that zos was laughing all the way to the bank?

Your numbers work out to 666,000 subscritions per month at $15 / month in order to get the $10,000,000 you stated. If that is only 10% of the population in the game, then you believe the game has 6.6 million players?

I think you need to rethink your numbers.

Ignore the 10% number. Just say that there are ~700k subscribers to ESO Plus. We can't know the real answer to that, so it is as good of a guess as any.

yeah.... but is all just smoke and mirrors..... pretending you know something and then basing criticism on that.

really, is that the best you can do?

I'm not doing anything but pointing out that the 10% is a distraction from the original statement.

Khaos_Bane

I'm a subscriber and I'm not happy

Subscriber has lost value now IMO. It now costs A LOT of money to play this game.

Don't get me wrong, I plan on buying the "Chapters" but I will probably drop my sub. This is coming from someone who ABSOLUTELY HATES playing their inventory mini game.

They talk quality of life, but they have so little storage.

HELLO ZOS, Inventory mini games are not fun at all !!!!

StrawberryKitsune

I'm a subscriber and I'm happy

I'm incredibly excited for the expansion. Warden class is something I have (unashamedly) longed for, for a long time now.

I recognise also that this is a game but also a business and will happily pay the £30- £50 the upgrade will cost as well as renewing my 6 month sub (in the same month!!! D,:) HOWEVER I will revserve judgement for now in regards to if ESO+ is still value to me. Should they release DLC packs for Vvardenfell and they are not included in the sub I may have to withdraw my funds and just outright buy DLC but this is all speculation at the moment and I suspect all Vvardenfell related DLC will be included.

Just my own personal opinion though. Definitely still super stoked and counting the days!

majulook

I'm a subscriber and I'm on the fence

Depends on how much content is in Morrowind.
30 hrs of content does not seem like alot. But then Orsinium seemed like more than 20 hrs.

Leveling a new character is gonna be a grind. I have done several already and it gets boring quick.

It would be nice if once you got lvl 50 on one character, all new characters were lvl 50 with no attribute or skill points .
It would be still a grind but IMHO not as bad as completely starting over.

rotaugen454

I'm a subscriber and I'm happy

I immediately bought the Physical Collector's edition the moment I could find it, if that is any indicator.

Tavore1138

I'm a subscriber and I'm happy

No-one ever seems to remember that the ability to freely dye costumes comes with ESO+ too FWIW... judging by the rainbow of people I see around there are a lot of people who use that

Stania

I'm a subscriber and I'm on the fence

Actually, I'm like meh, regarding to the new area since I still have a lot of things to do in the base game and the current DLC's. Never truly played Morrowind so I don't feel the nostalgia-powered hype. Perhaps I'll consider buying it on a sale if I see it's that good and don't move onto another game first.

Though I can't avoid to feel a little unsettled with the Warden class, fearing it could be like Corrin or Bayonetta were at first on SSB4. Op, pretty much everybody using them (so no way to avoid them) and people without those DLC's (me included) being unaware of their movesets because we were unable to test them ourselves before getting into a fight.

If that's the case, the players without expansion probably will have to deal with getting their arses kicked (or bitten and scratched) for a couple of days or weeks, until they get a grip of their new enemy's abilities or it gets balanced (in case is op).

Of course there's a lot more competent players than me that could do a deeper analysis and come very quickly with an strategy to deal with Wardens and their bears without even playing as them once.