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Why changing the way back-bar buffs work ?

  • covenant_merchant
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    Derra wrote: »
    Derra wrote: »
    Tested transmutation + lich + bsw. All buffs remain active.

    Can you also test alchemist is possible?

    Sorry - i´ve crashed two times trying to get to the crafting station... :(

    @covenant_merchant which sets did you test this with? Did you maybe test lich out of combat (because the lich regeneration does not work ooc)?

    lich, burning spellweaver, and clever alchemist.

    Though for some like Ryano, Lich works fine. Alchemist and burning however, do not. Nor do vMSA staves.
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  • ManDraKE
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    Derra wrote: »
    Derra wrote: »
    Tested transmutation + lich + bsw. All buffs remain active.

    Can you also test alchemist is possible?

    Sorry - i´ve crashed two times trying to get to the crafting station... :(

    @covenant_merchant which sets did you test this with? Did you maybe test lich out of combat (because the lich regeneration does not work ooc)?

    lich, burning spellweaver, and clever alchemist.

    Though for some like Ryano, Lich works fine. Alchemist and burning however, do not. Nor do vMSA staves.

    do you have a master's bow for test?
  • Derra
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    Derra wrote: »
    Derra wrote: »
    Tested transmutation + lich + bsw. All buffs remain active.

    Can you also test alchemist is possible?

    Sorry - i´ve crashed two times trying to get to the crafting station... :(

    @covenant_merchant which sets did you test this with? Did you maybe test lich out of combat (because the lich regeneration does not work ooc)?

    lich, burning spellweaver, and clever alchemist.

    Though for some like Ryano, Lich works fine. Alchemist and burning however, do not. Nor do vMSA staves.

    Bsw + lich did carry over fine for me (tested dmg/healing and regeneration).

    Seems like a really weird bug. I don´t loose the buffs aswell.
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  • Ragnaroek93
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    Derra wrote: »
    Derra wrote: »
    Tested transmutation + lich + bsw. All buffs remain active.

    Can you also test alchemist is possible?

    Sorry - i´ve crashed two times trying to get to the crafting station... :(

    @covenant_merchant which sets did you test this with? Did you maybe test lich out of combat (because the lich regeneration does not work ooc)?

    lich, burning spellweaver, and clever alchemist.

    Though for some like Ryano, Lich works fine. Alchemist and burning however, do not. Nor do vMSA staves.

    Alchemist worked fine for me (used crown store potions). Did you test the damage on some opponents? I did not check the tooltip but my damage was definitely increased with alchemist proc, maybe it's just a tooltip bug?
  • Izaki
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    You have got to be kidding me, *** sake.

    Unnecessary nerf, like really you just *** a lot of builds with that

    @Waffennacht @IzakiBrotherSs you guys use alchemist/lich what you think about this

    I'm just wondering if maelstrom dual wield, bow and destro are affected....
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  • Izaki
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    Alcast wrote: »
    Where is that in the patchnotes? da f
    Alcast wrote: »
    Maelstrom still works

    All of em or just destro?
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  • Masel
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    It didn't change, what's the panic in this thread about? I tested all of the mentioned sets myself this afternoon and they still work as before.

    Dat forum hysteria :smiley:
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  • EpicSpaceMoose
    So if you activate a synergy with a 5 piece moondancer on the front bar and then swap to the back bar to apply blockade for example, will you lose the moondancer proc? @Alcast - have you tested this?
    Edited by EpicSpaceMoose on January 30, 2017 4:06PM
  • AzuraKin
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    cool, now they only need to remove animation cancelling and the carry over off skills from back bar. i mean having 1 bar for only buffs then second for skills only is counter really to the idea of why we have 2 bars, to change focus of our role. i.e. go from damage to healer, healer to tank, or tank to dps ect, or single target focus to aoe focus things like that. it was never intended for it to be buff and active skills bar. and lets face it, take away animation canceling there will no longer be as much lag in high activity fights like pvp, it will take real skill to do trials as well as pvp, and frankly, a game that allows the bypass of mechanics intended to allow the strongest skills that require stronger countermeasures to actually be responded to.
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  • Masel
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    So if you activate a synergy with a 5 piece moondancer on the front bar and then swap to the back bar to apply blockade for example, will you lose the moondancer proc? @Alcast - have you tested this?

    No you won't. Everything works fine.
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  • bebynnag
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    greylox wrote: »
    Won't be using the lich set anymore if this comes to live. That's the same character that's currently ice DPS which is also dead. Might as well just start again.

    THIS

    what did my iceblade ever do to anyone????? why so much hate for her?
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  • Masel
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    greylox wrote: »
    Won't be using the lich set anymore if this comes to live. That's the same character that's currently ice DPS which is also dead. Might as well just start again.

    THIS

    what did my iceblade ever do to anyone????? why so much hate for her?

    If you would've read the whole thread you would know that everything is fine. I feel like I'm speaking Chinese :D
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  • Erasure
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    AzuraKin wrote: »
    counter really to the idea of why we have 2 bars, to change focus of our role. i.e. go from damage to healer, healer to tank, or tank to dps ect, or single target focus to aoe focus things like that.

    [Citation Needed]
    AzuraKin wrote: »
    and lets face it, take away animation canceling there will no longer be as much lag in high activity fights like pvp, it will take real skill to do trials as well as pvp, and frankly, a game that allows the bypass of mechanics intended to allow the strongest skills that require stronger countermeasures to actually be responded to.

    "Real skill" is waiting patiently for an animation to finish when you don't have to, is it?

    Back on topic, does Moondancer still stick from the back bar? I haven't seen anyone check that one. PC-NA player, I'll test it after our copy if nobody else has yet.

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    Tested alchemist the other day, buff stays on wep swap just as on live, np.
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  • Masel
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    I tested moondancer too, still works.
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  • bebynnag
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    Masel92 wrote: »
    greylox wrote: »
    Won't be using the lich set anymore if this comes to live. That's the same character that's currently ice DPS which is also dead. Might as well just start again.

    THIS

    what did my iceblade ever do to anyone????? why so much hate for her?

    If you would've read the whole thread you would know that everything is fine. I feel like I'm speaking Chinese :D

    i was just about to edit my post when i saw your reply!

    this thread has been a rollercoaster of emotions for me ;)
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  • ManDraKE
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    AzuraKin wrote: »
    cool, now they only need to remove animation cancelling and the carry over off skills from back bar. i mean having 1 bar for only buffs then second for skills only is counter really to the idea of why we have 2 bars, to change focus of our role. i.e. go from damage to healer, healer to tank, or tank to dps ect, or single target focus to aoe focus things like that. it was never intended for it to be buff and active skills bar. and lets face it, take away animation canceling there will no longer be as much lag in high activity fights like pvp, it will take real skill to do trials as well as pvp, and frankly, a game that allows the bypass of mechanics intended to allow the strongest skills that require stronger countermeasures to actually be responded to.

    go play mobile games if you like that kind of dumb-basic gameplay. Animation canceling is what makes ESO combat system good.
  • SanTii.92
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    Most likely a bug, just wait for the notes before starting a thread.
    Edited by SanTii.92 on January 30, 2017 5:31PM
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    From my understanding (a post from a player) is that (for Alchemist) you use it, get the buff, and swap weapons to non x5 set up, the UI says it's buffed but the actual damage is not.

    It sounded like a bug, been trying to get confirmation since. To those that say it's working, was the actual damage buffed or just the UI?
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  • SanTii.92
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    From my understanding (a post from a player) is that (for Alchemist) you use it, get the buff, and swap weapons to non x5 set up, the UI says it's buffed but the actual damage is not.

    It sounded like a bug, been trying to get confirmation since. To those that say it's working, was the actual damage buffed or just the UI?

    confirmation will come with patch notes
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  • SublimeSparo
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    AzuraKin wrote: »
    cool, now they only need to remove animation cancelling and the carry over off skills from back bar. i mean having 1 bar for only buffs then second for skills only is counter really to the idea of why we have 2 bars, to change focus of our role. i.e. go from damage to healer, healer to tank, or tank to dps ect, or single target focus to aoe focus things like that. it was never intended for it to be buff and active skills bar. and lets face it, take away animation canceling there will no longer be as much lag in high activity fights like pvp, it will take real skill to do trials as well as pvp, and frankly, a game that allows the bypass of mechanics intended to allow the strongest skills that require stronger countermeasures to actually be responded to.

    Get a grip mate, is your daily mantra "I must cry about animation cancelling on every single thread i find on the forums" because it's getting old.
    Either accept it or maybe find a new game.
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  • kojou
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    Alpheu5 wrote: »
    Derra wrote: »
    AzuraKin wrote: »
    cool, now they only need to remove animation cancelling and the carry over off skills from back bar. i mean having 1 bar for only buffs then second for skills only is counter really to the idea of why we have 2 bars, to change focus of our role. i.e. go from damage to healer, healer to tank, or tank to dps ect, or single target focus to aoe focus things like that. it was never intended for it to be buff and active skills bar. and lets face it, take away animation canceling there will no longer be as much lag in high activity fights like pvp, it will take real skill to do trials as well as pvp, and frankly, a game that allows the bypass of mechanics intended to allow the strongest skills that require stronger countermeasures to actually be responded to.

    You know what?

    I think we should all be forced to play with a controller only. On top of that people should only be allowed to use one hand. Also teamspeak and other voice communication should be banned.

    No i have an even better idea. Everyone should only be allowed to play the game with a force feedback steeringwheel and pedals.

    I PvP with a Guitar Hero controller in first person view.

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  • SirCritical
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    I have some bad words about this. I mustn't say them else I'd got banned.
    Edited after reading some more posts about this news being unreliable. Why do we need such posts to cause others a heart-attack?

    What about this case: frontbar Rattlecage set, and when I'm on my backbar, and cast Entropy, I get Major Sorcery, then after a double bar-switch (to front, then back to back), I lose the Major Sorcery. Why?
    Edited by SirCritical on January 30, 2017 7:29PM
  • PS4_ZeColmeia
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    So quick question: right now Stygian does not give the magicka buff until you switch bars. Does this mean it effectively will never give the magicka buff when stealth is activated because the set is bugged?

    @ZOS_GinaBruno do you know if the team is aware of this bug and if this change buries this set going forward?
    Edited by PS4_ZeColmeia on January 30, 2017 7:51PM
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