Trading system rant

BOGATYR

I've played a lot of games and I have never, never seen a game where a trader will take your entire stack of an item and not give you the option of canceling the trade - and all this happens at the press of a single button. This is just a broken system, it's completely unacceptable. Traders should NOT instantly take your entire stack if you clicked on it once. I could have clicked by mistake, so that means they get my entire stack of soul gems (or whatever) and I can't even cancel the trade? WTF

Unsent.Soul

Anyone else here confused?

Enemy-of-Coldharbour

Yes. More details please.

Nickernator

BOGATYR wrote: »

I've played a lot of games and I have never, never seen a game where a trader will take your entire stack of an item and not give you the option of canceling the trade - and all this happens at the press of a single button. This is just a broken system, it's completely unacceptable. Traders should NOT instantly take your entire stack if you clicked on it once. I could have clicked by mistake, so that means they get my entire stack of soul gems (or whatever) and I can't even cancel the trade? WTF

1. Do you mean trading between players?
   
   I think there is an option to cancel a trade
   
2. Do you mean a merchant?
   
   There is a buy back option
   

To trade/sell/whatever right-click on the item, and select Split Sack

BOGATYR

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

Anyone else here confused?

Confused by what?
I went up to a merchant, clicked on an item I want (or don't want) to sell, the trader takes the entire stack and doesn't give me the option to cancel the trade. Basically, the complete opposite of the proper Elder Scrolls games where you get to choose how many pieces of a stacked item you want to sell and you can cancel the trade at any time.

LEGENDARYYY

if you are talking about guild traders there is a tab where you can cancel the listings.

if you are talking about selling to merchants there is a tab with a buy back function.

Vulsahdaal

BOGATYR wrote: »

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

Anyone else here confused?

Confused by what?
I went up to a trader, clicked on an item I want (or don't want) to sell, the trader takes the entire stack and doesn't give me the option to cancel the trade. Basically, the complete opposite of the proper Elder Scrolls games where you get to choose how many pieces of a stacked item you want to sell and you can cancel the trade at any time.

You could split the stack before selling to them, or if its an accident and you didnt wish to sell the items at all, just use 'buy back' feature?

Taylor_MB

Confused yeah... but don't have to understand to know that the in game trading system is woefully underdeveloped.

Ackwalan

You can 'split' a stack into any size you want. It's up to you to manage your inventory. You can also cancel an item/stack that is for sale in the guild stores. For a trash vender, there is a buy back option. For trading to another person, again it is up to you to manage your inventory.

BOGATYR

Nickernator wrote: »

BOGATYR wrote: »

I've played a lot of games and I have never, never seen a game where a trader will take your entire stack of an item and not give you the option of canceling the trade - and all this happens at the press of a single button. This is just a broken system, it's completely unacceptable. Traders should NOT instantly take your entire stack if you clicked on it once. I could have clicked by mistake, so that means they get my entire stack of soul gems (or whatever) and I can't even cancel the trade? WTF

1. Do you mean trading between players?
   
   I think there is an option to cancel a trade
   
2. Do you mean a merchant?
   
   There is a buy back option
   

To trade/sell/whatever right-click on the item, and select Split Sack

I'm talking about the merchants. Where is this buy back option? I've never seen it and I've done plenty of trades already. I know how to split stacks, thanks. That doesn't change my opinion of the trading system in this game, because it should be foolproof and it's apparently not.

BOGATYR

Taylor_MB wrote: »

Confused yeah... but don't have to understand to know that the in game trading system is woefully underdeveloped.

This game has been out for years, so why hasn't this trading system been fixed yet? Do the devs seriously think it's ok? Perhaps they like answering support tickets like the one I just sent? lol

Vulsahdaal

BOGATYR wrote: »

Nickernator wrote: »

BOGATYR wrote: »

I've played a lot of games and I have never, never seen a game where a trader will take your entire stack of an item and not give you the option of canceling the trade - and all this happens at the press of a single button. This is just a broken system, it's completely unacceptable. Traders should NOT instantly take your entire stack if you clicked on it once. I could have clicked by mistake, so that means they get my entire stack of soul gems (or whatever) and I can't even cancel the trade? WTF

1. Do you mean trading between players?
   
   I think there is an option to cancel a trade
   
2. Do you mean a merchant?
   
   There is a buy back option
   

To trade/sell/whatever right-click on the item, and select Split Sack

I'm talking about the merchants. Where is this buy back option? I've never seen it and I've done plenty of trades already. I know how to split stacks, thanks. That doesn't change my opinion of the trading system in this game, because it should be foolproof and it's apparently not.

The buy back option is one of the ones at the top, along with sell, repair, etc..

smacx250

It is one of the tabs at the top of the merchant interface - buy, sell, buy-back. It has history, so if you haven't sold a bunch of stuff after that, you may still be able to buy-back.

BOGATYR

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

BOGATYR wrote: »

Nickernator wrote: »

BOGATYR wrote: »

I've played a lot of games and I have never, never seen a game where a trader will take your entire stack of an item and not give you the option of canceling the trade - and all this happens at the press of a single button. This is just a broken system, it's completely unacceptable. Traders should NOT instantly take your entire stack if you clicked on it once. I could have clicked by mistake, so that means they get my entire stack of soul gems (or whatever) and I can't even cancel the trade? WTF

1. Do you mean trading between players?
   
   I think there is an option to cancel a trade
   
2. Do you mean a merchant?
   
   There is a buy back option
   

To trade/sell/whatever right-click on the item, and select Split Sack

I'm talking about the merchants. Where is this buy back option? I've never seen it and I've done plenty of trades already. I know how to split stacks, thanks. That doesn't change my opinion of the trading system in this game, because it should be foolproof and it's apparently not.

The buy back option is one of the ones at the top, along with sell, repair, etc..

OK thanks, I will look around next time I trade. I've seriously never noticed that option ):

It would be damn great if the game at least asked us to confirm any transactions... Such a simple thing, isn't it?

notimetocare

I cant even... Basics of mmo vendors... Learn them

notimetocare

BOGATYR wrote: »

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

BOGATYR wrote: »

Nickernator wrote: »

BOGATYR wrote: »

I've played a lot of games and I have never, never seen a game where a trader will take your entire stack of an item and not give you the option of canceling the trade - and all this happens at the press of a single button. This is just a broken system, it's completely unacceptable. Traders should NOT instantly take your entire stack if you clicked on it once. I could have clicked by mistake, so that means they get my entire stack of soul gems (or whatever) and I can't even cancel the trade? WTF

1. Do you mean trading between players?
   
   I think there is an option to cancel a trade
   
2. Do you mean a merchant?
   
   There is a buy back option
   

To trade/sell/whatever right-click on the item, and select Split Sack

I'm talking about the merchants. Where is this buy back option? I've never seen it and I've done plenty of trades already. I know how to split stacks, thanks. That doesn't change my opinion of the trading system in this game, because it should be foolproof and it's apparently not.

The buy back option is one of the ones at the top, along with sell, repair, etc..

OK thanks, I will look around next time I trade. I've seriously never noticed that option ):

It would be damn great if the game at least asked us to confirm any transactions... Such a simple thing, isn't it?

Id rather not confirm all 400+ sales i make daily...

AlnilamE

I've been playing this game since launch and this has never been a problem to me.
As others have said, there is a tab in the merchant menu that let you buy back the last 20 or so items you sold on that character.
If you want to sell less than your full stack then right-click on the item and split the stack before you sell it.

But consider that 90% of the time we are selling vendor junk and want to sell the whole stack anyway, so you would add a lot of unnecessary clicks if you make it always give you the option to split.

And you can always split your stacks in inventory ahead of time too.

BOGATYR

notimetocare wrote: »

I cant even... Basics of mmo vendors... Learn them

I've played Elder Scrolls since Morrowind and I don't remember any of them having a trading system like this. I haven't played many MMOs though.

Vulsahdaal

BOGATYR wrote: »

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

BOGATYR wrote: »

Nickernator wrote: »

BOGATYR wrote: »

I've played a lot of games and I have never, never seen a game where a trader will take your entire stack of an item and not give you the option of canceling the trade - and all this happens at the press of a single button. This is just a broken system, it's completely unacceptable. Traders should NOT instantly take your entire stack if you clicked on it once. I could have clicked by mistake, so that means they get my entire stack of soul gems (or whatever) and I can't even cancel the trade? WTF

1. Do you mean trading between players?
   
   I think there is an option to cancel a trade
   
2. Do you mean a merchant?
   
   There is a buy back option
   

To trade/sell/whatever right-click on the item, and select Split Sack

I'm talking about the merchants. Where is this buy back option? I've never seen it and I've done plenty of trades already. I know how to split stacks, thanks. That doesn't change my opinion of the trading system in this game, because it should be foolproof and it's apparently not.

The buy back option is one of the ones at the top, along with sell, repair, etc..

OK thanks, I will look around next time I trade. I've seriously never noticed that option ):

It would be damn great if the game at least asked us to confirm any transactions... Such a simple thing, isn't it?

It would seem, but for someone like me, I wait until I have tons of items (and full inventory) to hit the vendor, and if I had to confirm each item I would go nuts lol So I think the 'Buy back' option is a good compromise for those 'ooops' moments.
But as smacx250 mentioned, there is a history stored, so if this was a recent transaction, you may be able to go back to the seller and get your items back, even if you have signed out of the game. I hope it works out for you.

Nickernator

BOGATYR wrote: »

notimetocare wrote: »

I cant even... Basics of mmo vendors... Learn them

I've played Elder Scrolls since Morrowind and I don't remember any of them having a trading system like this. I haven't played many MMOs though.

Well you should keep in mind that this is an Elder Scrolls themed MMO

BOGATYR

While all you helpful folks are here anyway, can you please explain why my lvl 12 Lighting staff with a Cold enchantment is getting a weaker enchantment each time I recharge it? Is that a feature? It started with about 2000 cold damage and now does like 1600.

failkiwib16_ESO

....to be honest, after I started doing group content - when I return from a dungeon, all I want is to sell as fast as possible, with no confirmation... it would simply take too much of my time doing so. The buy-back option in this game is pretty fair, it lets you buy stuff back for the price you sold it, so it doesn't punish you for mistakes (otherwise I would be ruined Q.Q).

I wouldn't mind having an optional choice for it in gameplay settings though, it would be nice to whomever likes to have that option.

notimetocare

BOGATYR wrote: »

While all you helpful folks are here anyway, can you please explain why my lvl 12 Lighting staff with a Cold enchantment is getting a weaker enchantment each time I recharge it? Is that a feature? It started with about 2000 cold damage and now does like 1600.

Have you leveled up? If so, there is your answer

BOGATYR

notimetocare wrote: »

BOGATYR wrote: »

While all you helpful folks are here anyway, can you please explain why my lvl 12 Lighting staff with a Cold enchantment is getting a weaker enchantment each time I recharge it? Is that a feature? It started with about 2000 cold damage and now does like 1600.

Have you leveled up? If so, there is your answer

Yes I'm level 14 now, so that means my old staff gets weaker with each level I hit?

notimetocare

BOGATYR wrote: »

notimetocare wrote: »

BOGATYR wrote: »

While all you helpful folks are here anyway, can you please explain why my lvl 12 Lighting staff with a Cold enchantment is getting a weaker enchantment each time I recharge it? Is that a feature? It started with about 2000 cold damage and now does like 1600.

Have you leveled up? If so, there is your answer

Yes I'm level 14 now, so that means my old staff gets weaker with each level I hit?

Techinically no, but as ypu level the acaling punishes old gear. The stuff is the aame strwngth, you juat get less benefit

smacx250

BOGATYR wrote: »

While all you helpful folks are here anyway, can you please explain why my lvl 12 Lighting staff with a Cold enchantment is getting a weaker enchantment each time I recharge it? Is that a feature? It started with about 2000 cold damage and now does like 1600.

If your character has leveled up, the scaling factor may diminish the effectiveness of your gear. You need to keep your gear up to date with your character to keep the scaling effective. It is one of those "things" with how stuff is scaled for lower level characters. In fact, you may find that a number of your stats diminish as you level up. That's what those stars in the upper right of your character screen are sort of trying to tell you - how good your stuff is given the level you are at.

failkiwib16_ESO

Yes it gets weaker, because you outlevel the gear. If your character is below champion point 160, then you will be battlescaled to champion point 150. (You start gaining champion points when you reach level 50)

The quality of your battlescaling will heavily be affected by:

• quality of your gear
• level of your gear (5 levels below your level = very bad stats)

BOGATYR

OK thanks for the help folks, cya around in Tamriel

Unsent.Soul

BOGATYR wrote: »

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

Anyone else here confused?

Confused by what?
I went up to a merchant, clicked on an item I want (or don't want) to sell, the trader takes the entire stack and doesn't give me the option to cancel the trade. Basically, the complete opposite of the proper Elder Scrolls games where you get to choose how many pieces of a stacked item you want to sell and you can cancel the trade at any time.

Your OP is horribly written and a mess all around, it was in fact, a rant.

How is the buy back tab not common sense?

Also, I've never heard of anyone referring to merchants as traders, you complain about traders but later specifically say merchants. It's just a clarification, that's all.

newtinmpls

BOGATYR wrote: »

I've played a lot of games and I have never, never seen a game where a trader will take your entire stack of an item and not give you the option of canceling the trade - and all this happens at the press of a single button

Well now you have ... sorry, I just had to do that.

Anyway, there are a lot of bits of ESO that are not only not intuitive, they are actually counterintuitive.

I suppose that for some of us die-hard-Morrowind-ES-geeks who have been here since shortly after PC Launch it seems "obvious" that a trader is a guild trader via bank or kiosk, as opposed to a "merchant" who sells and buys 'stuff'.

Sorry you were confused