[VIDEO] Erdril melee magicka nb " A pug's life " 1T patch

EdTerra

Hey guys, since for everyone, magblade mean shieldstacker destro ult

I wanted to bring back some good old magicka melee playstyle in this game, hope u enjoy

every clips are from today

https://youtu.be/zRkrPBTfjEg

Lava_Croft

Like the music, applaud the attempt and appreciate keeping the torch lit, but goddamnit Magicka Melee NB is so much effort for so little gain at the moment unless you hide in some AoE blob.

[PS] That last potato was a tank with a damage output that rounded down to zero. So yeah, nothing wrong.

Taylor_MB

Loved the last clip!

Similar thing happened when I was on my blazing shield templar. 3 guys jump me at a dolmen, kill 2 of them, the last one and I continue for fight for a few minutes until I just start heading back to the dolmen with him hitting my back. Eventually he got the hint and we both finished he dolmen together and went our separate ways, haha.

Master_Kas

Awsome man

Alucardo

Enjoyable. Loved the freaking music

EdTerra

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Like the music, applaud the attempt and appreciate keeping the torch lit, but goddamnit Magicka Melee NB is so much effort for so little gain at the moment unless you hide in some AoE blob.

Yeah it's pretty hard now to finish some 1vX, I loose so many of them just cauz of proc's or stealth damage (that's why radiant slotted ^^) and it seem that overall damage increased (even magicka builds), but, in fact 1v1 isn't really bad if u don't fight an heavy armor user who use shuffle also

[PS] That last potato was a tank with a damage output that rounded down to zero. So yeah, nothing wrong.

imo no one should be invincible in 1v1 in PvP, even tanks, well it's only my opinion.

Taylor_MB wrote: »

Loved the last clip!

Similar thing happened when I was on my blazing shield templar. 3 guys jump me at a dolmen, kill 2 of them, the last one and I continue for fight for a few minutes until I just start heading back to the dolmen with him hitting my back. Eventually he got the hint and we both finished he dolmen together and went our separate ways, haha.

Aha, when u can't kill each other, better be friends !

Master_Kas wrote: »

Awsome man

Ofc, I'm awesome

Alucardo wrote: »

Enjoyable. Loved the freaking music

thx ! all songs are in the video description ^^

MLRPZ

OP !

Xinthisis

That last clip is why I gank now. Well actually. The entire video. Watching you clearly outplay them, and seeing them many times run out of stamina or just not cc break then you not being able to kill them without an extra 2-3 minutes and finger smashing into the keyboard. Awesome job, but damn do I miss 1.5.

Rohamad_Ali

Exciting to see a non meta video . Great job and the music was most enjoyable .

LeifErickson

I miss the light/medium armor meta. You were playing so much better than them but it didn't even matter. I really liked that first clip.

EdTerra

Xinthisis wrote: »

That last clip is why I gank now. Well actually. The entire video. Watching you clearly outplay them, and seeing them many times run out of stamina or just not cc break then you not being able to kill them without an extra 2-3 minutes and finger smashing into the keyboard. Awesome job, but damn do I miss 1.5.

Yeah the last vid is a pure joke, I mean in pvp u should be able to kill everyone in 1v1, if u want to be really tanky u should have to do somethings for tanking not just have an heavy armor, 70k health (my 11k aw didn't even drop 20% of his health) and holding block like a tard, this is not my vision of pvp at least...
every style should be skill based imo.

and u'r right, with the current state of pvp it's really hard to kill people even if they are CC out of stam, 12K concealed tooltip when full buffed (without mage's guild proc) and not even hit for 5k-6k against heavy armor, the sad thing is my concealed is still deadly against light/medium armor user, maybe if concealed got a 5k spell pen like his stamina morph it could help without being to much against low spell resis

Also, the overall incoming damage are really high now, u have to attack/defense/attack/defense all day if u don't want to be kill really quickly, it's not only about proc's build, even magicka build can 2 hit me, it's not helping

And against perma root/slow u have no choice to use mist, I really miss the old cloak who could purge those roots for us, maybe I would be able to use lotus fan again, to much coward sniper are running away when u come at them

(I think I need to say : sry for my english but I hope u will understand what I mean ^^)

nilldax

EdTerra wrote: »

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and u'r right, with the current state of pvp it's really hard to kill people even if they are CC out of stam, 12K concealed tooltip when full buffed (without mage's guild proc) and not even hit for 5k-6k against heavy armor, the sad thing is my concealed is still deadly against light/medium armor user, maybe if concealed got a 5k spell pen like his stamina morph it could help without being to much against low spell resis

Surprice Attack applies armor debuff which is a little different from penetration

And against perma root/slow u have no choice to use mist, I really miss the old cloak who could purge those roots for us, maybe I would be able to use lotus fan again, to much coward sniper are running away when u come at them

And you even know one of "coward snipers"

Anyway, nicely that you finaly shared your relic MagBlade.

Derra

Have you tried Medusa 5p + Treasurehunter 5p yet + shadow mundus yet? I really want to give that a shot on magblade.

Erondil

Nice vid although yea as you said fighting heavy armour ppl with magicka melee nb is a pain and there is almost only that nowadays

Derra wrote: »

Have you tried Medusa 5p + Treasurehunter 5p yet + shadow mundus yet? I really want to give that a shot on magblade.

problem is you have to go heavy armour without spinner so no spell penetration whatsoever and that sucks in the current meta imo. And you will need to run magicka rec/spell cost reduc glyphs becuase on magicka melee you usually need 1.8k+ rec I think, especially with heavy armour so the spell damage would be really low for a dual wield build . Also the crit would be around 35% which isnt that much for a crit damage build although I guess with cloak you can get pretty consistent nasty assassins will
If you wanna farm Medusa though tell me I would be up

Knootewoot

I gave up on my magicka melee. I only use swallow soul so I can at least run away in time when things go bad. Nice vid, although it loads very slow for me here at work. Great music choice

EdTerra

nilldax wrote: »

EdTerra wrote: »

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and u'r right, with the current state of pvp it's really hard to kill people even if they are CC out of stam, 12K concealed tooltip when full buffed (without mage's guild proc) and not even hit for 5k-6k against heavy armor, the sad thing is my concealed is still deadly against light/medium armor user, maybe if concealed got a 5k spell pen like his stamina morph it could help without being to much against low spell resis

Surprice Attack applies armor debuff which is a little different from penetration

And against perma root/slow u have no choice to use mist, I really miss the old cloak who could purge those roots for us, maybe I would be able to use lotus fan again, to much coward sniper are running away when u come at them

And you even know one of "coward snipers"

Aha, no I wasn't thinking about you, you know how the game works and u are the only one who play with u'r playstyle even If I call it coward style, I was thinking of stealth zerger bower snipe spammer who run away when u come at them but came back if u'r in bad situation against his friends...

Anyway, nicely that you finaly shared your relic MagBlade.

relic magblade maybe it could be a title for a next video ^^

Erondil wrote: »

Nice vid although yea as you said fighting heavy armour ppl with magicka melee nb is a pain and there is almost only that nowadays

Derra wrote: »

Have you tried Medusa 5p + Treasurehunter 5p yet + shadow mundus yet? I really want to give that a shot on magblade.

problem is you have to go heavy armour without spinner so no spell penetration whatsoever and that sucks in the current meta imo. And you will need to run magicka rec/spell cost reduc glyphs becuase on magicka melee you usually need 1.8k+ rec I think, especially with heavy armour so the spell damage would be really low for a dual wield build . Also the crit would be around 35% which isnt that much for a crit damage build although I guess with cloak you can get pretty consistent nasty assassins will
If you wanna farm Medusa though tell me I would be up

well maybe If I use medusa 2pc stuff 1 jewel 2 sword it could be really strong but in my vid I was running atronach mundus (2k reg cauz I use one jewel glyph also) and I still need a support skill to my resto bar for the extra 10% reg (well I'm a bosmer), so I would have to stay on atronach or maybe TBS + inner light instead of treasure hunter, or maybe 2*1 magicka regen monster set
I think it's something to try.

Knootewoot wrote: »

I gave up on my magicka melee. I only use swallow soul so I can at least run away in time when things go bad. Nice vid, although it loads very slow for me here at work. Great music choice

I've read that next patch will be nice for magicka, maybe old melee magicka nb will be back, keep hope

Derra

Erondil wrote: »

Nice vid although yea as you said fighting heavy armour ppl with magicka melee nb is a pain and there is almost only that nowadays

Derra wrote: »

Have you tried Medusa 5p + Treasurehunter 5p yet + shadow mundus yet? I really want to give that a shot on magblade.

problem is you have to go heavy armour without spinner so no spell penetration whatsoever and that sucks in the current meta imo. And you will need to run magicka rec/spell cost reduc glyphs becuase on magicka melee you usually need 1.8k+ rec I think, especially with heavy armour so the spell damage would be really low for a dual wield build . Also the crit would be around 35% which isnt that much for a crit damage build although I guess with cloak you can get pretty consistent nasty assassins will
If you wanna farm Medusa though tell me I would be up

Why not run it with 5 light two heavy - am i missing something there? Especially on NB healthy jewelry does not seem like the end of the world for light armor builds. I´m even running HP builds on sorc nowadays.

Erondil

Derra wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Nice vid although yea as you said fighting heavy armour ppl with magicka melee nb is a pain and there is almost only that nowadays

Derra wrote: »

Have you tried Medusa 5p + Treasurehunter 5p yet + shadow mundus yet? I really want to give that a shot on magblade.

problem is you have to go heavy armour without spinner so no spell penetration whatsoever and that sucks in the current meta imo. And you will need to run magicka rec/spell cost reduc glyphs becuase on magicka melee you usually need 1.8k+ rec I think, especially with heavy armour so the spell damage would be really low for a dual wield build . Also the crit would be around 35% which isnt that much for a crit damage build although I guess with cloak you can get pretty consistent nasty assassins will
If you wanna farm Medusa though tell me I would be up

Why not run it with 5 light two heavy - am i missing something there? Especially on NB healthy jewelry does not seem like the end of the world for light armor builds. I´m even running HP builds on sorc nowadays.

Well because hp on jewelry imo is a waste, if on top of that its on a bosmer the magicka will be pretty low (like 33-4k?) and even on breton it would be like 37k or less since you miss out undaunted aswell; then the shield will be really weak. But I guess if you give good value to hp bonus its not that bad, tbh I dont so I didnt even consider this possibility.

Derra

Erondil wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Nice vid although yea as you said fighting heavy armour ppl with magicka melee nb is a pain and there is almost only that nowadays

Derra wrote: »

Have you tried Medusa 5p + Treasurehunter 5p yet + shadow mundus yet? I really want to give that a shot on magblade.

problem is you have to go heavy armour without spinner so no spell penetration whatsoever and that sucks in the current meta imo. And you will need to run magicka rec/spell cost reduc glyphs becuase on magicka melee you usually need 1.8k+ rec I think, especially with heavy armour so the spell damage would be really low for a dual wield build . Also the crit would be around 35% which isnt that much for a crit damage build although I guess with cloak you can get pretty consistent nasty assassins will
If you wanna farm Medusa though tell me I would be up

Why not run it with 5 light two heavy - am i missing something there? Especially on NB healthy jewelry does not seem like the end of the world for light armor builds. I´m even running HP builds on sorc nowadays.

Well because hp on jewelry imo is a waste, if on top of that its on a bosmer the magicka will be pretty low (like 33-4k?) and even on breton it would be like 37k or less since you miss out undaunted aswell; then the shield will be really weak. But I guess if you give good value to hp bonus its not that bad, I just dont so I didnt even consider this possibility.

I basically value HP up to the point where a proccbuild can no longer put me into executerange with one lucky rotation. Imo the biggest mistake in the current procc meta is people not valueing HP on light/medium armor builds.

If you can´t die in one rotation you can have moments with low/no defense up which results in better offensive/pressuring options (ofc on bosmer the situation is different).

EdTerra

well guys maybe it's like rattlecage where the named necklace is arcane ^^

I can see you'r both ideas, well now I would prefer to go derra's style cauz I'm a bosmer, even if I stack magicka I will never be close to an high elf magicka pool, the difference between a bosmer and an altmer is now a food buff, where it was almost nothing in 1.X

I've stopped to think max mag is the best way to go for us, since the poison resist is really nice now for bosmer, stacking health may prevent an instant kill cauz of multi procs or help to play a bit less defensive and more agressive where shields are just preventive and need to be stacked really often against big income damage

since I've stopped to play with harness I have no problem to use 1 healthy jewel

And if I'm not wrong, healing ward is max health based

Lava_Croft

I actually run/ran a good 29k HP on my MagBlade before just not bothering anymore. Because of the many different build options Wrobel provides us, it's really the only counter besides going 5HA.

Ishammael

Derra wrote: »

Have you tried Medusa 5p + Treasurehunter 5p yet + shadow mundus yet? I really want to give that a shot on magblade.

How much damage do you think you could get out of this setup? I think it could be nice in Templar, too.

What monster set? Maybe the one that gives you Berserk?

Derra

Ishammael wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Have you tried Medusa 5p + Treasurehunter 5p yet + shadow mundus yet? I really want to give that a shot on magblade.

How much damage do you think you could get out of this setup? I think it could be nice in Templar, too.

What monster set? Maybe the one that gives you Berserk?

I have honestly no idea if they fixed the minor berserk set by now. It was mentioned in the potes sometime but i never bothered to test it.

On NB going for Skoria or Infernal Guardian is pretty obvious. On a templar i don´t have any clue tbh. I have not tested it myself by now because the excessive amount of farming required to get two weapons is something i don´t want to deal with at the moment.
I´ve farmed three dungeon set weapons so far. I won´t go for another one if i can avoid it.

Ishammael

Derra wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Have you tried Medusa 5p + Treasurehunter 5p yet + shadow mundus yet? I really want to give that a shot on magblade.

How much damage do you think you could get out of this setup? I think it could be nice in Templar, too.

What monster set? Maybe the one that gives you Berserk?

I have honestly no idea if they fixed the minor berserk set by now. It was mentioned in the potes sometime but i never bothered to test it.

On NB going for Skoria or Infernal Guardian is pretty obvious. On a templar i don´t have any clue tbh. I have not tested it myself by now because the excessive amount of farming required to get two weapons is something i don´t want to deal with at the moment.
I´ve farmed three dungeon set weapons so far. I won´t go for another one if i can avoid it.

Yeah... this is why I was hoping you could test it for me. Don't want to farm anymore.
I'm still looking for a burning Spellweave neck.

EdTerra

LeifErickson wrote: »

I miss the light/medium armor meta. You were playing so much better than them but it didn't even matter. I really liked that first clip.

you will love this one

https://youtu.be/dy8yp9mghxw

this fight is almost everything I hate in this patch heavy armor + shuffle, stack health, full life in 6s, proc's build, well I haven't see poison proc but it's not needed with the price of my concelead weapons maybe I should go seducer+liche+2*1 regen monster set and drinks, just because I want to play DW

imo this is why every melee magblade give up

Taylor_MB

You have amazing magblade skills, that last video was super painful to watch

Lava_Croft

EdTerra wrote: »

LeifErickson wrote: »

I miss the light/medium armor meta. You were playing so much better than them but it didn't even matter. I really liked that first clip.

you will love this one

https://youtu.be/dy8yp9mghxw

this fight is almost everything I hate in this patch heavy armor + shuffle, stack health, full life in 6s, proc's build, well I haven't see poison proc but it's not needed with the price of my concelead weapons maybe I should go seducer+liche+2*1 regen monster set and drinks, just because I want to play DW

imo this is why every melee magblade give up

Not just this, but also that a Melee StamBlade does just about everything a Melee MagBlade can do, only with less effort and greater effect.

LeifErickson

EdTerra wrote: »

LeifErickson wrote: »

I miss the light/medium armor meta. You were playing so much better than them but it didn't even matter. I really liked that first clip.

you will love this one

https://youtu.be/dy8yp9mghxw

this fight is almost everything I hate in this patch heavy armor + shuffle, stack health, full life in 6s, proc's build, well I haven't see poison proc but it's not needed with the price of my concelead weapons maybe I should go seducer+liche+2*1 regen monster set and drinks, just because I want to play DW

imo this is why every melee magblade give up

I agree with some of the points you made, but also don't agree with others. While I do feel stamina healing is too strong, it takes him 6 seconds to get to full but all you have to do is hit healing ward and you are basically fully healed. And assuming you are wearing light armor, those guys actually didn't do that much damage to you. I do think it's stupid you have no chance of killing them when they are on the ground out of stam, but your soul tethers were hitting really hard and 4k uncrit concealed is pretty good on heavy armor. But you running out of magicka that fast with your regen is kind of dumb as well.

EdTerra

LeifErickson wrote: »

EdTerra wrote: »

LeifErickson wrote: »

I miss the light/medium armor meta. You were playing so much better than them but it didn't even matter. I really liked that first clip.

you will love this one

https://youtu.be/dy8yp9mghxw

this fight is almost everything I hate in this patch heavy armor + shuffle, stack health, full life in 6s, proc's build, well I haven't see poison proc but it's not needed with the price of my concelead weapons maybe I should go seducer+liche+2*1 regen monster set and drinks, just because I want to play DW

imo this is why every melee magblade give up

I agree with some of the points you made, but also don't agree with others. While I do feel stamina healing is too strong, it takes him 6 seconds to get to full but all you have to do is hit healing ward and you are basically fully healed. And assuming you are wearing light armor, those guys actually didn't do that much damage to you. I do think it's stupid you have no chance of killing them when they are on the ground out of stam, but your soul tethers were hitting really hard and 4k uncrit concealed is pretty good on heavy armor. But you running out of magicka that fast with your regen is kind of dumb as well.

Yeah, healing ward can also go full heal in 6s but, with my burst I would not even be able to outburst his heal where healing ward heal nothing until it proc (and u know that it's not hard to destroy a shield in 6s especially with those sets)
his heal over the time is even higher than my concealed weapons no crit and he used only vigor, shuffle make it worse, this is something I hate, how many time I was like a tard spamming my concealed on an opponent who just pop one vigor and still fighting, force me to spam my healing ward + shadow + cloak until it proc...

I know that the main issue about their damage is only cauz of proc's build, without it they would be easy kills, but I just wanted to show the current state of pvp for a no-meta player who feel really weak in those last 2 patches
Also if they were not able to use shuffle, maybe I would kill them...

And yeah my magicka leave me so fast well I used some mist form but not too much...

LeifErickson

EdTerra wrote: »

LeifErickson wrote: »

EdTerra wrote: »

LeifErickson wrote: »

I miss the light/medium armor meta. You were playing so much better than them but it didn't even matter. I really liked that first clip.

you will love this one

https://youtu.be/dy8yp9mghxw

this fight is almost everything I hate in this patch heavy armor + shuffle, stack health, full life in 6s, proc's build, well I haven't see poison proc but it's not needed with the price of my concelead weapons maybe I should go seducer+liche+2*1 regen monster set and drinks, just because I want to play DW

imo this is why every melee magblade give up

I agree with some of the points you made, but also don't agree with others. While I do feel stamina healing is too strong, it takes him 6 seconds to get to full but all you have to do is hit healing ward and you are basically fully healed. And assuming you are wearing light armor, those guys actually didn't do that much damage to you. I do think it's stupid you have no chance of killing them when they are on the ground out of stam, but your soul tethers were hitting really hard and 4k uncrit concealed is pretty good on heavy armor. But you running out of magicka that fast with your regen is kind of dumb as well.

Yeah, healing ward can also go full heal in 6s but, with my burst I would not even be able to outburst his heal where healing ward heal nothing until it proc (and u know that it's not hard to destroy a shield in 6s especially with those sets)
his heal over the time is even higher than my concealed weapons no crit and he used only vigor, shuffle make it worse, this is something I hate, how many time I was like a tard spamming my concealed on an opponent who just pop one vigor and still fighting, force me to spam my healing ward + shadow + cloak until it proc...

I know that the main issue about their damage is only cauz of proc's build, without it they would be easy kills, but I just wanted to show the current state of pvp for a no-meta player who feel really weak in those last 2 patches
Also if they were not able to use shuffle, maybe I would kill them...

And yeah my magicka leave me so fast well I used some mist form but not too much...

Honestly, I feel terrible for saying this but slotting 2 piece valkyn and timing your valkyn with soul tether would destroy people.

EdTerra

LeifErickson wrote: »

EdTerra wrote: »

LeifErickson wrote: »

EdTerra wrote: »

LeifErickson wrote: »

I miss the light/medium armor meta. You were playing so much better than them but it didn't even matter. I really liked that first clip.

you will love this one

https://youtu.be/dy8yp9mghxw

this fight is almost everything I hate in this patch heavy armor + shuffle, stack health, full life in 6s, proc's build, well I haven't see poison proc but it's not needed with the price of my concelead weapons maybe I should go seducer+liche+2*1 regen monster set and drinks, just because I want to play DW

imo this is why every melee magblade give up

I agree with some of the points you made, but also don't agree with others. While I do feel stamina healing is too strong, it takes him 6 seconds to get to full but all you have to do is hit healing ward and you are basically fully healed. And assuming you are wearing light armor, those guys actually didn't do that much damage to you. I do think it's stupid you have no chance of killing them when they are on the ground out of stam, but your soul tethers were hitting really hard and 4k uncrit concealed is pretty good on heavy armor. But you running out of magicka that fast with your regen is kind of dumb as well.

Yeah, healing ward can also go full heal in 6s but, with my burst I would not even be able to outburst his heal where healing ward heal nothing until it proc (and u know that it's not hard to destroy a shield in 6s especially with those sets)
his heal over the time is even higher than my concealed weapons no crit and he used only vigor, shuffle make it worse, this is something I hate, how many time I was like a tard spamming my concealed on an opponent who just pop one vigor and still fighting, force me to spam my healing ward + shadow + cloak until it proc...

I know that the main issue about their damage is only cauz of proc's build, without it they would be easy kills, but I just wanted to show the current state of pvp for a no-meta player who feel really weak in those last 2 patches
Also if they were not able to use shuffle, maybe I would kill them...

And yeah my magicka leave me so fast well I used some mist form but not too much...

Honestly, I feel terrible for saying this but slotting 2 piece valkyn and timing your valkyn with soul tether would destroy people.

Yeah I wanted to try it, but maybe I will have it in 2 years with the golden vendor ^^
I really dislike PvE, farming sets was already something who could make me leave the game, my only 2pc monster I have since it's exist is grothdarr