ONE SHOT NIGHTBLADE GANKING

Kutsuu

Xinthisis wrote: »

@dantator melee range bow ganking, not snipe and poison injection spam. When zergbad did run a melee range bow gank build briefly in 1.6 it was ripped off of sribes and lemur. Once again, a build is not just what weapons and gear sets a person is running. Its a combination of all the mechanics and concepts to bring a fully fleshed out build to fruition.

Sribes was still FOTMing Sypher's stam DK build in 1.6, and only picked up NB ganking once he saw what @Xael was doing and thought it was good to copy. I haven't seen an original build from him yet - even his old vampire sorc build was largely theorycrafted by myself while he incessantly bugged me on Tamrielfoundry about my vampire NB stuff. His name on tamrielfoundry is AsweetRoll if you want to verify what I'm talking about.

Xinthisis

@Kutsuu didn't you quit this game after they nerfed bash damage in 1.1-1.2? Also, that build was actually SRIBES running it in pts and sypher asked for the sets. Same as the mag dk, SRIBES and sypher both worked on theorycrafting it. Wtf is Xael, I literally can't find anything on the guy. Links to youtube please? Or something.

Kutsuu

Xinthisis wrote: »

@Kutsuu didn't you quit this game after they nerfed bash damage in 1.1-1.2? Also, that build was actually SRIBES running it in pts and sypher asked for the sets. Same as the mag dk, SRIBES and sypher both worked on theorycrafting it. Wtf is Xael, I literally can't find anything on the guy. Links to youtube please? Or something.

I've been in and out. Quit for a while during the 0 cost bat swarm times, came back for a long while around 1.5-1.6, began playing again a couple months ago. Judging from the PMs and such I received from Sribes when he was asking me to theorycraft his build, and the resulting build thread, I just don't see him as being some kind of pioneer here. I've heard similar stories from other people. @Xael doesn't share his stuff on the forums or youtube to my knowledge, but I do know for sure he was doing this bow swap stuff back in 2014.... I'm totally for Sribes' methodology, but I do think he should give credit when it's due instead of claiming to be the brainchild.

Also I can't remember if you're the same Xin that I knew from some other games (Rift maybe?).

SRIBES

Kutsuu wrote: »

Xinthisis wrote: »

@dantator melee range bow ganking, not snipe and poison injection spam. When zergbad did run a melee range bow gank build briefly in 1.6 it was ripped off of sribes and lemur. Once again, a build is not just what weapons and gear sets a person is running. Its a combination of all the mechanics and concepts to bring a fully fleshed out build to fruition.

Sribes was still FOTMing Sypher's stam DK build in 1.6, and only picked up NB ganking once he saw what Xael was doing and thought it was good to copy. I haven't seen an original build from him yet - even his old vampire sorc build was largely theorycrafted by myself while he incessantly bugged me on Tamrielfoundry about my vampire NB stuff. His name on tamrielfoundry is AsweetRoll if you want to verify what I'm talking about.

Who the *** are you and who is xael lmao

Kutsuu

SRIBES wrote: »

Kutsuu wrote: »

Xinthisis wrote: »

@dantator melee range bow ganking, not snipe and poison injection spam. When zergbad did run a melee range bow gank build briefly in 1.6 it was ripped off of sribes and lemur. Once again, a build is not just what weapons and gear sets a person is running. Its a combination of all the mechanics and concepts to bring a fully fleshed out build to fruition.

Sribes was still FOTMing Sypher's stam DK build in 1.6, and only picked up NB ganking once he saw what Xael was doing and thought it was good to copy. I haven't seen an original build from him yet - even his old vampire sorc build was largely theorycrafted by myself while he incessantly bugged me on Tamrielfoundry about my vampire NB stuff. His name on tamrielfoundry is AsweetRoll if you want to verify what I'm talking about.

Who the *** are you and who is xael lmao

Well I guess we can start at the bottom... do you admit to being AsweetRoll?

Manoekin

Ganking should give you an advantage not an instant kill. Ganking IMO means you catch someone unprepared to fight, or by surprise. Played a rogue in WoW during the early days and all the class was was stun locking the enemy until they were dead. Same concept as in current ESO where the enemy doesn't get a chance to fight back. However, this game doesn't currently support the idea that ganking should only give you an advantage. If you don't kill someone instantly from stealth they're more than likely going to reset the fight and then most gank builds can't handle that. Only potatoes will still die if they manage to somehow survive the initial burst. The whole game is broken, and calling for nerfs/buffs to very specific things is only making it more broken. Skills/stats need a complete overhaul and we won't get that except from a major patch that has at least 3 quarters to be done.

Stoopid_Nwah

Xinthisis wrote: »

@Stoopid_Nwah @Lava_Croft lets all just agree that everything in eso is op. Healing op, damage op, tanking op, ganking op. Idk, now that croft mentions it, I might just dabble in magicka nb again. As a ganker, I think with the new magicka dps based sets available, 30k dps on heavy armor users might be within reach.

@SRIBES we have work to do.

It is. I've hit insanely high numbers and have been preaching magnb ganking for awhile now. Highest heavy attack crit on heavy armour alone (without soul harvest and concealed) so far was about 19k.

Lava_Croft

I'd love for some MagNB to gank my TrollPlar. I will be so happy once that happens, honestly.

Good luck!

Xinthisis

@Kutsuu ESO is the first pc game I've played, but I did check out your youtube way back when and actually took the sword and board bruiser style nb concept from what you were doing. Its been a long time since then, and I do think that there were other people doing the melee range bow ganking.(When bow gave damage increase against disoriented enemies so you charge bow heavy then hit surprise attack) I know zergbad did it in 1.3(1.4?) when movement speed was stacking. I'm sure xael is a great player, but I really have no idea who he is. Also, tbh for a guy that hasn't been involved in the game seriously for about 2 years you should stay out of the "theorycrafting" circle jerk talk. Sribes may have asked you for build ideas 2 years ago, but thats a long time ago. The build we're currently running doesn't even have a spammable dps ability, and has the capability to kill someone without ever being revealed before or after the kill. If xael is doing that, then props to him. However, its not something stolen from him at all. How can you give props to someone you haven't even talked to or know.

All in all, I hope you do come play ESO more seriously as I remember you having fairly unique powerful builds. Which is what I want to see more of in this game.

Poxheart

Kutsuu wrote: »

Xinthisis wrote: »

@dantator melee range bow ganking, not snipe and poison injection spam. When zergbad did run a melee range bow gank build briefly in 1.6 it was ripped off of sribes and lemur. Once again, a build is not just what weapons and gear sets a person is running. Its a combination of all the mechanics and concepts to bring a fully fleshed out build to fruition.

Sribes was still FOTMing Sypher's stam DK build in 1.6, and only picked up NB ganking once he saw what @Xael was doing and thought it was good to copy. I haven't seen an original build from him yet - even his old vampire sorc build was largely theorycrafted by myself while he incessantly bugged me on Tamrielfoundry about my vampire NB stuff. His name on tamrielfoundry is AsweetRoll if you want to verify what I'm talking about.

Heh, been waiting for somebody to drop this knowledge.

Poxheart

Kutsuu wrote: »

SRIBES wrote: »

Kutsuu wrote: »

Xinthisis wrote: »

@dantator melee range bow ganking, not snipe and poison injection spam. When zergbad did run a melee range bow gank build briefly in 1.6 it was ripped off of sribes and lemur. Once again, a build is not just what weapons and gear sets a person is running. Its a combination of all the mechanics and concepts to bring a fully fleshed out build to fruition.

Sribes was still FOTMing Sypher's stam DK build in 1.6, and only picked up NB ganking once he saw what Xael was doing and thought it was good to copy. I haven't seen an original build from him yet - even his old vampire sorc build was largely theorycrafted by myself while he incessantly bugged me on Tamrielfoundry about my vampire NB stuff. His name on tamrielfoundry is AsweetRoll if you want to verify what I'm talking about.

Who the *** are you and who is xael lmao

Well I guess we can start at the bottom... do you admit to being AsweetRoll?

Yes he does: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2906204/#Comment_2906204

Lava_Croft

I like the excellent displays of Speechcraft here.

Xinthisis

@Manoekin I agree wholeheartedly. I do feel that the first thing is to remove the stun from stealth. Damage increase is just part of the elderscrolls universe, so I don't think it would be wise of them to remove the increased damage multiplier, but maybe toning it down or made it to where players had to sacrifice more in order to get that damage bonus. Maybe a cp passive or something. Stun definitely needs to go though, unless you're using abilities that specifically have stuns attached to them. Then removing the stun from incap wouldn't be such a bad idea also.

Just because I play nb, doesn't mean I wont call out the BS imbalances on it.

Xinthisis

@Poxheart what knowledge? All of that was false, except his reminiscing of getting asked questions about builds 2+ years ago.

"Syphers stam dk from 1.6" was actually @SRIBES stam dk. Even sypher will admit it. For someone that doesn't even play this game anymore to come in and try to talk about builds and what not is kinda funny. Then for people to back up the guy because they don't like sribes is even better. No wonder why the devs never listen. Its because these forums are the first line of communication for them.

I get it now.

Xinthisis

@Skitttles @Elong @yell0wdart Thanks for the support. Glad you enjoyed the video.

FENGRUSH

This has become a who copied who thread.

Sunburnt_Penguin

FENGRUSH wrote: »

This has become a who copied who thread.

I said that earlier

FENGRUSH

Sunburnt_Penguin wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

This has become a who copied who thread.

I said that earlier

I give full creddit to sunburnt Penguin for coming up with this idea before I posted it.

Sunburnt_Penguin

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Sunburnt_Penguin wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

This has become a who copied who thread.

I said that earlier

I give full creddit to sunburnt Penguin for coming up with this idea before I posted it.

Finally.

Lava_Croft

It's hardly rocket science to come up with specific ESO builds anyway. All this crying about who copied who just makes the crybabies look exactly like that, babies.

IxSTALKERxI

Lava_Croft wrote: »

It's hardly rocket science to come up with specific ESO builds anyway. All this crying about who copied who just makes the crybabies look exactly like that, babies.

Yeah pretty much. If something is strong lots of different people are going to think of it. It's not really possible to claim any build in eso as your build.

I think the point the OP was trying to make though was about people who literally copy and paste build guides down to food and CP allocation without putting a single bit of their own thought into it, doing so won't get you very far in pvp.

Lava_Croft

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

It's hardly rocket science to come up with specific ESO builds anyway. All this crying about who copied who just makes the crybabies look exactly like that, babies.

Yeah pretty much. If something is strong lots of different people are going to think of it. It's not really possible to claim any build in eso as your build.

I think the point the OP was trying to make though was about people who literally copy and paste build guides down to food and CP allocation without putting a single bit of their own thought into it, doing so won't get you very far in pvp.

You don't have to be an original theorycrafter to excel at PvP though. The idea that you need your own build to be a good or even amazing PvP player is just a fairytale. It might give people a well deserved sense of satisfaction to be great at PvP using a build you came up with yourself, but I'm very certain there are way more people who just want to have a premade build, jump into PvP and kill stuff. You don't really need theorycrafting skills for that.

Better said, you don't really need to know how a car is built in order to be very good at driving it.

RadioheadSh0t

This is the "Hipster" build thread...

"I ran Viper/Veli way back before it was cool, everyone else is just a poser."

All this thread is missing is a twirly mustache, overpriced coffee, and Mumford & Sons.

OrphanHelgen

Great video, lots of explanation, and im sure you are a very great player as well.
When that is said, a stamina nightblade using proc gear this patch, are the least skill based playstyle atm.

Xinthisis

I motion to make this post about how ganking is unskillful as said by players that run in 8 man groups sitting in towers spamming aoe again.

All in favor?

Xinthisis

@OrphanHelgen Thanks for the support. Sribes and I are currently theorycrafting a new gank build that doesn't use proc sets since that's all people see. Also might delve into mag nb ganking so it should be interesting. Take care.

Lava_Croft

Xinthisis wrote: »

I motion to make this post about how ganking is unskillful as said by players that run in 8 man groups sitting in towers spamming aoe again.

All in favor?

If you wanna be skilled you got to run around in a coordinated TS AoE blob while farming scrubs with a friendly pug zerg in your back.

Lord_Hev

I love the irony of the "ganker" mentality.

Xinthisis wrote: »

I motion to make this post about how ganking is unskillful as said by players that run in 8 man groups sitting in towers spamming aoe again.

All in favor?

Half the reason people zerg is because people naturally become sick and tired of dieing before they can even react. No PvP whatsoever. Just an instant cheap death. One selfish play-style ends up fueling the other. And both are toxic. Whether it's someone insta-gibbing people, or the groups shamelessly choosing to chase down single target players, often times not even near an objective.

Xinthisis

@Lord_Hev agreed.

Xinthisis

@Lord_Hev The other half is that they're scared of dying alone. ;p