Too Many 531's without a clue.

Prof_Bawbag

SquareSausage wrote: »

I don't mean to be disparaging to anyone young; ie teens etc but its usually them who run their mouths in group and slag off poorer performing players. To counter that these guys are generally pretty good, however they are all DPS!! Pew Pew.
Some people don't have the skill, some people dont want the skill and some people simply know better.
Theres nothing to be done but bite the bullet and get on with it. Its part of the game. You get good groups, bad groups and everywhere inbetween.

With regard not knowing tactics I'd advise anyone to watch videos on youtube and/or read strategy before attempting content at Veteran or above. It goes a long way to making you better and saving numerous wipes.

Why would you watch videos, though? As someone further up stated, it's a pointless exercise because those videos usually consist of flawless runs. Those players doing those flawless runs never got to where they are by watching videos. They got there by making mistake after mistake. Being the culpable party member for countless group wipes and so on. It's like saying watch a video of Messi/Ronaldo doing keepy uppies and other ball tricks and you'll become adept at doing those things yourself. Nope, you'll only get better by doing the hands on practice yourself.

The real issue for us lesser players isn't our inability to read or watch things, it's getting a group of people that will allow us some hands on experience. Yeah, I'll die, i will die a lot in the beginning, but I can guarantee you that every single person that now sit in their ivory towers looking down on the unworthy were in the exact same position themselves at some point.

Asardes

The problem is not making mistakes. Is making them again and again and not learning anything from them. Or even worse, making them after being told how to specifically avoid them. Like one day I was in a PuG and I was telling the group in detail how to use the altars if one gets caught with the ray by Malubeth in Wayrest Sewers II, and when that happens during combat them standing there and continuing to attack the now invulnerable boss. And doing that 3 times in a row and wiping after I get killed until I decided to finally quit. Some people are just incorrigible or just trolling the others. You can't teach them anything because they don't want to because they are jerks, or they are actually that dumb.

Alagras

What we need is a good in-game ESOpedia, and some well-thought tutorials, sort of "master of arms" quests. And you'll see average player getting much better.

Some people google for builds, guides, etc, for others it feels like a job and they won't. So unless they have good guildies infos must come from game itelf. Currently they don't.

Everyone would benefit from that, players playing better = having more fun = more ppl playing = more money

Junipus

Asardes wrote: »

The problem is not making mistakes. Is making them again and again and not learning anything from them. Or even worse, making them after being told how to specifically avoid them. Like one day I was in a PuG and I was telling the group in detail how to use the altars if one gets caught with the ray by Malubeth in Wayrest Sewers II, and when that happens during combat them standing there and continuing to attack the now invulnerable boss. And doing that 3 times in a row and wiping after I get killed until I decided to finally quit. Some people are just incorrigible or just trolling the others. You can't teach them anything because they don't want to because they are jerks, or they are actually that dumb.

This.

No matter how many times it's repeated.

Some people are predisposed to stupidity and others are predisposed to be jerks. Both leave a sour taste in the mouths of others and cause problems, but just like a cheap rom-com, those who can teach and who want to learn eventually find each other in the hope.

Prof_Bawbag

But you have no idea who you're playing with. You could be playing with guys/gals with disabilities, English isn't their native language and so forth. I do it too, so it's not a slight on you, but we all just assume everyone playing this game is equal in every given circumstance. Not everyone do these things to troll or because they're dumb, they do it because, well, reasons that we aren't privy too.

Tai-Chi

kylewwefan wrote: »

Tai-Chi wrote: »

kylewwefan wrote: »

First off, I PUG a lot. I see many terribad players at max level. Not just to boost my own self....I did fungal grotto vet with a player who's rotation was light attack bow, caltrops...over and over again. Or the wrecking blow spam...or stand at a distance bow light attacking never use a single ability. Full heavy armor DD's , light armor staff tanks?!?

Are everyone buying max level accounts and playing how they want? How do you get there and have no clue? I can't deal with the PUG life anymore. I tried 2 Vet HelRa PUG trials over the weekend....I'll never do that again. Not even hard mode. Just Vet. Having awesome Healers and tank still aren't getting low DPS group through.

Everyone loves to hate on the "elite" players. There's too many players out there pulling less than 10k. I just don't get it. It's so much better when I'm the only bad player in a group. My weekend of elite trials and daily's would have made a hilarious episode of "the differently geared".

I have seen the question brought up about the game being too easy. I tell you no way. Normal mode almost needs to be easier. Vet dungeons...hmmm and Hard Mode....casuals and terribads are gonna struggle and likely give up. A few really good players can carry the team, but most won't make it that far. When you see it takes 5 minutes to burn the first trash mob, just leave.

Hi @kylewwefan , you must be referring to a Character like mine.

She is a Nord, Magicka Sorc, V160 CP (561+) wearing 5 Gold Star crafted gear - all with Kuta enchants and she never leaves base without her loyal Clannfear at her side.

She runs Destro Staff on the front bar and either TwB or S&AB on the back bar. She hates toggling, so never uses the 3rd bar. Her armour is 5 x HA and 2 x LA, with 2 mundus stones.

Solo play was all she did prior to One Tamriel.
To take on Dolmens, Mobs and Bosses alone, she needed sustainability as well as DPS to achieve the goal and of course tactics.

Her build is tailored to complete every achievement in Tamriel, Wrothgar, Hews Bane and The Gold Coast (except those sneaky time related ones in TG & DB) whilst soloing, to kill every boss both above ground and below, gather every skyshard & skillpoint on offer, including all the Group Events in Public Dungeons - except the one that is impossible to complete without a player standing on each of two Scarab-Beetle tiles.

To answer some of your questions
Yes, she is playing how she wants. Like Leonardo Da Vinci and Einstein, she thinks outside the box.

How do you get there and have no clue?
Through sheer determination, study, acquiring knowledge from the Forums and other sources/players on the net and of course, through many hours of experience with experimentation. So not exactly 'Clueless' , in a general sense.

Clueless as to the new Undaunted Pledges and Group Dungeons; yes she is clueless.
She has never done them before! She does not know the layout, where the bosses are or what to expect. She runs after the other players and joins in the battle, stopping off to speak to the NPCs with white or black arrow markers.

She has never died yet and neither has her Clannfear. Her tankiness and ability to block with a staff has kept her alive and kill the boss, when her team-mates have all died. With only a single boss to take care of, her Clannfear is able to keep him at bay, until at least one other team-mate has been resurrected.

Not only does she have to learn how to group but also how to use the chat windows and channels. She does not know the abbreviations; she does not know the mechanics for inviting other players; she does not know how to use the group finder. She has not learnt how to keep the chat-text scrolling and therefore misses a lot of what other group members are saying.

Nevertheless, all that will come with time and a keen interest to learn.
She is very grateful to her newly found Guild Members (all well below her level) for their patience and willingness to act as mentors. She repays them in other ways such as crafting 9 trait gear, making top-speck food, drinks, potions and glyphs for them for free.

So, please don't prejudge everyone and make generalisations.
I am sure there are other players like me out there, who are not stereotyped but are willing to experiment and to be a little bit more creative than the standard player.

@ZOS intention was for players to be able to successfully play any Race, any Class. My Nord Sorc is taking on that challenge.

I'm gonna judge you if we're in a dungeon and you're spamming caltrops, siege shield, and rapid maneuvers. There will be some words of shock and awe. I won't be mean. I really want you to be better. Everyone will have more fun, yourself included. Don't be the one button warrior. You got 10 skills to choose from. Use them all!

BTW, I like pets. My pet build was great for leveling and questing. They're even alright in normal dungeons. Many Vet dungeons they can be harder to keep alive though.

Unfortunately for you @kylewwefan I play on the EU server, so our paths may never cross - I am sorry to say - but if they should, I am very glad to hear that you will not be mean. I don't like mean.

Hardened Ward and [shock and awe] Propelling Shield have saved Clannfear and the team on several occasions. Look upon it as a 'Supporting' role that can also deal out a fair amount of damage as well. My Nord Sorc is by no means a one button warrior and she is astute enough to realise - and is under no illusions - that running Trials and Hard Mode Vet Dungeons will need a different approach but that time is a long way off yet. At the moment she is having a great deal of fun, whilst learning the ropes and raising her Undaunted skill from Lv 3.5. What is wrong with that?

As for pets; I am an optimist and believe that by the time it comes to my Nord running Vet hard mode, pets will become a very viable option.

As for the other skill trees, she is maxed out in several but currently only has access to some of them because she is also my main crafter. By the time she has visited every Group Dungeon in Tamriel, she will gradually be able to use more skills, due to the skill points earned.

Not everyone wants to be Emperor; they are usually stabbed in the back, deposed or exiled. Being the Power-Behind-The-Throne is more her style.

If you're passing this way in 2017, come to her palace to share a glass of mead or Columbine Nectar.

SquareSausage

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Why would you watch videos, though? As someone further up stated, it's a pointless exercise because those videos usually consist of flawless runs. Those players doing those flawless runs never got to where they are by watching videos. They got there by making mistake after mistake. Being the culpable party member for countless group wipes and so on. It's like saying watch a video of Messi/Ronaldo doing keepy uppies and other ball tricks and you'll become adept at doing those things yourself. Nope, you'll only get better by doing the hands on practice yourself.

The real issue for us lesser players isn't our inability to read or watch things, it's getting a group of people that will allow us some hands on experience. Yeah, I'll die, i will die a lot in the beginning, but I can guarantee you that every single person that now sit in their ivory towers looking down on the unworthy were in the exact same position themselves at some point.

Watching a video or reading a tutorial greatly helps in anything you do. Not just in game but in real life too, take it as a set of instructions.

Going into any situation with knowledge of what you are about to face is a great help. Going in with no clue, causing wipes, getting people angry and quitting, causing yourself and others not to complete said quest, daily, pledge whatever.

Its just small things that helps with everyone's game. Some people go that extra mile, some people obviously don't and that is evident by what has been said in this thread.

In my opinion, and this is solely my opinion, if you want to do a group event you should try your best to be prepared for it and that means getting prior knowledge on what is to come. Being unprepared and hoping for someone to tell you what to do is either lazy or irresponsible. Again my opinion.

Conquistador

Okay.

Osteos

Zevlin wrote: »

kylewwefan wrote: »

First off, I PUG a lot. I see many terribad players at max level. Not just to boost my own self....I did fungal grotto vet with a player who's rotation was light attack bow, caltrops...over and over again. Or the wrecking blow spam...or stand at a distance bow light attacking never use a single ability. Full heavy armor DD's , light armor staff tanks?!?

Are everyone buying max level accounts and playing how they want? How do you get there and have no clue? I can't deal with the PUG life anymore. I tried 2 Vet HelRa PUG trials over the weekend....I'll never do that again. Not even hard mode. Just Vet. Having awesome Healers and tank still aren't getting low DPS group through.

Everyone loves to hate on the "elite" players. There's too many players out there pulling less than 10k. I just don't get it. It's so much better when I'm the only bad player in a group. My weekend of elite trials and daily's would have made a hilarious episode of "the differently geared".

I have seen the question brought up about the game being too easy. I tell you no way. Normal mode almost needs to be easier. Vet dungeons...hmmm and Hard Mode....casuals and terribads are gonna struggle and likely give up. A few really good players can carry the team, but most won't make it that far. When you see it takes 5 minutes to burn the first trash mob, just leave.

Grouping in this game kind of sucks - Because as I join into random groups with people who will not communicate. When I say, "hold up I need to read the quest, this is my first time through this dungeon" what happens is the group message get ignored. They run ahead and start fighting. Now, I click through the dialog as fast as I can. I don't know the story-line or the objectives, I don't even get a chance to enjoy the dungeon. I just run through healing of non-communicating morons as they rush through content.

I am an experience MMO player so I can suffer through. But I am not gaining any knowledge of any particular dungeon. If I can rush through a dungeon without a clue, healing a bunch of morons on normal mode, then ESO grouping is too easy. I fully expect to a poor VET dungeon player because normal group dungeons are poor environments to allow for teamwork, enjoyment or learning.

I am level 43 and been through 3 dungeons, each time I really did not learn anything about those dungeons. The only way I can prepare is to research the dungeons outside the game. This is not how I like to enjoy my group content.

It's a real shame considering I am a Elder Scrolls series fan.

I am hoping this game becomes a reality, because the last 10 years of MMO kind of suck.
http://www.pantheonmmo.com/game/game_tenets/

I'm not sure why people need to rush through dungeons. There's no need to dawdle but there also isn't a need to rush. I tank and I do not have auto loot so I can select what I want. Often someone is in a big hurry and will run off and pull the next set of trash mobs and usually get themselves killed. When someone says they have the quest at the beginning of the dungeon I have no issue waiting for them to go through dialog. I like the dungeon stories.

RazorCaltrops

l3alls wrote: »

kylewwefan wrote: »

First off, I PUG a lot. I see many terribad players at max level. Not just to boost my own self....I did fungal grotto vet with a player who's rotation was light attack bow, caltrops...over and over again. Or the wrecking blow spam...or stand at a distance bow light attacking never use a single ability. Full heavy armor DD's , light armor staff tanks?!?

Are everyone buying max level accounts and playing how they want? How do you get there and have no clue? I can't deal with the PUG life anymore. I tried 2 Vet HelRa PUG trials over the weekend....I'll never do that again. Not even hard mode. Just Vet. Having awesome Healers and tank still aren't getting low DPS group through.

Everyone loves to hate on the "elite" players. There's too many players out there pulling less than 10k. I just don't get it. It's so much better when I'm the only bad player in a group. My weekend of elite trials and daily's would have made a hilarious episode of "the differently geared".

I have seen the question brought up about the game being too easy. I tell you no way. Normal mode almost needs to be easier. Vet dungeons...hmmm and Hard Mode....casuals and terribads are gonna struggle and likely give up. A few really good players can carry the team, but most won't make it that far. When you see it takes 5 minutes to burn the first trash mob, just leave.

Whats wrong with wrecking blow spam? I pull 21k single target with only weaving. Because its not meta max dps? What do you suggest I do with my 2h? This is a game that people play like they want. Don't pug if you dont like it.

Well, i just couldn't ignore this.

Sleep

that's why I don't want to group with v16

Prof_Bawbag

SquareSausage wrote: »

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Why would you watch videos, though? As someone further up stated, it's a pointless exercise because those videos usually consist of flawless runs. Those players doing those flawless runs never got to where they are by watching videos. They got there by making mistake after mistake. Being the culpable party member for countless group wipes and so on. It's like saying watch a video of Messi/Ronaldo doing keepy uppies and other ball tricks and you'll become adept at doing those things yourself. Nope, you'll only get better by doing the hands on practice yourself.

The real issue for us lesser players isn't our inability to read or watch things, it's getting a group of people that will allow us some hands on experience. Yeah, I'll die, i will die a lot in the beginning, but I can guarantee you that every single person that now sit in their ivory towers looking down on the unworthy were in the exact same position themselves at some point.

Watching a video or reading a tutorial greatly helps in anything you do. Not just in game but in real life too, take it as a set of instructions.

Going into any situation with knowledge of what you are about to face is a great help. Going in with no clue, causing wipes, getting people angry and quitting, causing yourself and others not to complete said quest, daily, pledge whatever.

Its just small things that helps with everyone's game. Some people go that extra mile, some people obviously don't and that is evident by what has been said in this thread.

In my opinion, and this is solely my opinion, if you want to do a group event you should try your best to be prepared for it and that means getting prior knowledge on what is to come. Being unprepared and hoping for someone to tell you what to do is either lazy or irresponsible. Again my opinion.

I'm sure I'm not alone in this, but i didn't buy this game to watch videos of others playing the game. I bought it to play myself. I don't play games to enhance my reality, i use it as an escape from the daily work grind. So I and everyone else playing this game doesn't owe it to anyone to go that extra mile, just like you don't need to go the extra mile to enhance my gaming experience. That's not a bad attitude, it's a fact. Abusing others, trolling, griefing others etc is irresponsible. There is nothing anywhere on the box or in the ToS that states anyone should be going that extra mile.

What is obvious, some people take this all waaaaaaaaaay too seriously, like a life event and it kinda begs the question why they have to group up with randoms in the first place if it is something that sits at around number 9 on the 0-10 "why so serious" scale rather than running with like minded people. People who accuse others of being too lazy or expect others to go the extra mile are the ones who suck the fun out of the game for many people around here. What i will say, anyone having to use the group finder tool or go around towns begging for healers etc shouldn't think they're the ones doing others favours. Quite the opposite imo.

kylewwefan

I thaught it would be funny to talk about the things we see in PUG dungeons. Well. Uh. It turned into something unintended.

People get all butt hurt and come up with all these hypothetical reasons why people are doing these really bizarre things. Even the level 30 guys having a blast grinding up their first toon think I'm making fun of them? I'm not.

I'd have loved to ask what these ding *** were doing but no one ever communicates. Or when they do, get all hyper defensive. I've an idea they're trying to level up their skill line by using that skill more, but I don't think it works like that. Could have told them if they would come to chat.

If you're at champion rank level 1, you need to be trying Vet dungeons. You need to chat, communicate, type whatever. I always do random dailies, with whatever level.
If your grinding a toon up or it's your first character, the extra XP is too good to pass up. I've had some good runs, where we just que right into another dungeon after beating the first.
That's how you get to know dungeons and mechanics. I run a lot of pug dungeons. It's nothing to run 5 a nite. It's fun. I also run a lot of trials.

Many times, people's demeanor or manners might suck. Myself included. But I genuinely want to help you become a better player....it can be frustrating if I'm not sure where to start. Occasionally I have the opportunity to play with groups that make me feel like the noob, and it is quite humbling.

I wish everyone I play with is like that, but it's more rare than occasionally really.

hrothbern

Alagras wrote: »

What we need is a good in-game ESOpedia, and some well-thought tutorials, sort of "master of arms" quests. And you'll see average player getting much better.

Some people google for builds, guides, etc, for others it feels like a job and they won't. So unless they have good guildies infos must come from game itelf. Currently they don't.

Everyone would benefit from that, players playing better = having more fun = more ppl playing = more money

+1

And here is the ESO Forum for tutorials:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/categories/player-guides
Perhaps some of the real good players can write something down or make vids with easy to get gear and without CP and 160 CP.

And here is the forum for players asking for Help:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/categories/players-helping-players

SquareSausage

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

I'm sure I'm not alone in this, but i didn't buy this game to watch videos of others playing the game. I bought it to play myself. I don't play games to enhance my reality, i use it as an escape from the daily work grind. So I and everyone else playing this game doesn't owe it to anyone to go that extra mile, just like you don't need to go the extra mile to enhance my gaming experience. That's not a bad attitude, it's a fact. Abusing others, trolling, griefing others etc is irresponsible. There is nothing anywhere on the box or in the ToS that states anyone should be going that extra mile.

What is obvious, some people take this all waaaaaaaaaay too seriously, like a life event and it kinda begs the question why they have to group up with randoms in the first place if it is something that sits at around number 9 on the 0-10 "why so serious" scale rather than running with like minded people. People who accuse others of being too lazy or expect others to go the extra mile are the ones who suck the fun out of the game for many people around here. What i will say, anyone having to use the group finder tool or go around towns begging for healers etc shouldn't think they're the ones doing others favours. Quite the opposite imo.

Just highlights the difference in opinions. Some people do take their gaming serious, some less so, that's the nature of the beast. I think its a perfectly acceptable thing for everyone to do if they want to do group content, and thats to read up on what to expect.

Maybe you find it fun running with a group that don't care to take advantage of the huge wealth of knowledge already out there to help them do the job at hand. Maybe you do want someone else to do the research and hand it out on a plate cos its just not fun to read up on strategy. Only you know.

If you bought the game to play yourself and then queue for group dungeons and have no idea about what is happening then low and behold, someone gets frustrated, that's to be expected. Same goes for high skill/cp people queueing for random groups who get placed in a low skill/cp group, low and behold things take longer and die a few times. But people queueing for Vet stuff with no knowledge or CP, come on.

Trolling and griefing is ofcourse not acceptable.

I'm saying this all from my persepctive as a non hardcore, sub max CP healer only.

Van_0S

OP, PvP does that to them........
Now the meta is ,in PvP, DD that uses heavy armor and tanks that use restoration staff or light armor with SnB.

KingDuncanVII

How's about you teach people how to do it? Because, guess what - they're not going to be able to learn if every elite player is a d**k. If you want to only play with people who have experience, then join a guild or make friends with other elites. Otherwise, don't randomly join a dungeon group expecting everyone (even if they're at cap) to know exactly how to play in dungeons.

Some people who are doing dungeons are primarily PvP players so (even if they are at CP cap) they don't know what the mechanics are or what sets to use for when doing PvE content. Some people are casuals and don't even think about rotations or mechanics - they just play to enjoy the game and not to achieve some statistical milestone. Get off of your high horse and drop some knowledge for the people struggling (without being an a**hat). Otherwise, just dungeon with people you know knows what they are doing. It's that simple.

News flash. You can be a casual player and be at the 531 cap. A lot of time has passed. In 6 months, ESO will be 3 years old (PC) and in 5 months, 2 years old (consoles). I could've played casually this entire 2-year period and have reached cap without obsessing over new builds, rotations, and all that jazz. There are those people out there.

Moral of the Story: If you want guaranteed skillful elite players, DON'T JOIN RANDOM GROUPS WITH PEOPLE YOU DON'T KNOW TO BE GOOD! If you want more people to be skillful elite PvE players, TEACH THEM SOMETHING! The more people you brush off will mean the more people who don't know how to most effectively play a dungeon.

Seriously, guys. Just help them. If they're doing something odd or ineffective, just help the guy or gal. If you don't have the time, then don't join random groups because there will be a high possibility you may have to school someone on how things work.

Be helpful, not an elitist.

SquareSausage

I try my best to help anyone in dungeons who is not so clued up, but trying to type instructions on every boss as no one is on voice chat and using a control pad is as tedious as it gets, why is it someone elses job though to teach everything to someone else who has the toools at his disposal online. Surely there comes a line in the sand where you realise, wow, I dont know whats going on maybe ill brush up my knowledge.

Prof_Bawbag

SquareSausage wrote: »

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

I'm sure I'm not alone in this, but i didn't buy this game to watch videos of others playing the game. I bought it to play myself. I don't play games to enhance my reality, i use it as an escape from the daily work grind. So I and everyone else playing this game doesn't owe it to anyone to go that extra mile, just like you don't need to go the extra mile to enhance my gaming experience. That's not a bad attitude, it's a fact. Abusing others, trolling, griefing others etc is irresponsible. There is nothing anywhere on the box or in the ToS that states anyone should be going that extra mile.

What is obvious, some people take this all waaaaaaaaaay too seriously, like a life event and it kinda begs the question why they have to group up with randoms in the first place if it is something that sits at around number 9 on the 0-10 "why so serious" scale rather than running with like minded people. People who accuse others of being too lazy or expect others to go the extra mile are the ones who suck the fun out of the game for many people around here. What i will say, anyone having to use the group finder tool or go around towns begging for healers etc shouldn't think they're the ones doing others favours. Quite the opposite imo.

Just highlights the difference in opinions. Some people do take their gaming serious, some less so, that's the nature of the beast. I think its a perfectly acceptable thing for everyone to do if they want to do group content, and thats to read up on what to expect.

Maybe you find it fun running with a group that don't care to take advantage of the huge wealth of knowledge already out there to help them do the job at hand. Maybe you do want someone else to do the research and hand it out on a plate cos its just not fun to read up on strategy. Only you know.

If you bought the game to play yourself and then queue for group dungeons and have no idea about what is happening then low and behold, someone gets frustrated, that's to be expected. Same goes for high skill/cp people queueing for random groups who get placed in a low skill/cp group, low and behold things take longer and die a few times. But people queueing for Vet stuff with no knowledge or CP, come on.

Trolling and griefing is ofcourse not acceptable.

I'm saying this all from my persepctive as a non hardcore, sub max CP healer only.

Having re read my post, i'm coming over as being quite obnoxious to you, it wasn't my intention and nothing I said (even though i quoted you) is meant as a personal attack. So apologises if that has been the case.

I think there is some middle ground so to speak as I do agree, people should heed some of the advice if others are taking the time out to teach them and fully appreciate it's a 2-way street. However, you've got to appreciate teaching them the ins n outs isn't possible for both the perpetrator and the person handing out advice. Some people within this thread expect to see instant results. Not gonna happen. Maybe one of those players being slated on here has improved considerably since the person slating him/her last did a dungeon run with them. Rome wasn't built in a day and it takes a good number of dungeon runs to learn.

It's also easy to say "stay out of the red", but when you're new you can't prejudge where some of those red areas are gonna appear and add to that, some slow you to such an extent you die attempting to escape. All that takes more than 1 or 2 runs to learn.

bedlom

Sounds like every other MMORPG I have played.

SquareSausage

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Having re read my post, i'm coming over as being quite obnoxious to you, it wasn't my intention and nothing I said (even though i quoted you) is meant as a personal attack. So apologises if that has been the case.

I think there is some middle ground so to speak as I do agree, people should heed some of the advice if others are taking the time out to teach them and fully appreciate it's a 2-way street. However, you've got to appreciate teaching them the ins n outs isn't possible for both the perpetrator and the person handing out advice. Some people within this thread expect to see instant results. Not gonna happen. Maybe one of those players being slated on here has improved considerably since the person slating him/her last did a dungeon run with them. Rome wasn't built in a day and it take a good number of dungeon runs to learn.

Its cool, I agree totally. Im just speaking from my experience and view on gaming and understand everyones situation is different.

Everyone should try to help if things are going slow, its in their interest too.

KingDuncanVII

SquareSausage wrote: »

Surely there comes a line in the sand where you realise, wow, I dont know whats going on maybe ill brush up my knowledge.

I get you. But not everyone learns the same way. They could look at videos or read up on mechanics and builds and still perform insufficiently. Some people learn best by actually doing and being told what they're doing right or wrong on their actual performance. Some people learn best from having a live mentor giving on-the-spot advice and tips based on the "student's" performance. Trial, error, mentoring, trial error, mentoring, etc. Eventually, that student will become elite and won't need anymore mentoring and will be able to function on his/her own.

disintegr8

Another tip for noobs and elitists alike - if you cannot be bothered talking in group chat or using text chat during the dungeon, don't bother firing it up to pay out on me or complain about what I did or didn't do after the event.

UrQuan

disintegr8 wrote: »

Beepbeep wrote: »

Leveling to 50, even to CP561, is easy and straight forward, but doesn't teach you how to play in a group. It's that simple.

That may be true but being unstoppable in PVP and able to beat vMSA time after time without dying doesn't teach you how to play 'with others' either.

The number of times I go into groups and someone runs ahead of the group, not waiting for the group to be ready and generally doing their own thing is astonishing. Even if they are capable and do not really need the rest of us for the dungeon, it is still a group event.

I've had people prevent the other group members from getting the dungeon quest by doing that...

UrQuan

To the people in this thread saying that they're noobs and are concerned about doing dungeons because of the fear that people will kick them for their noobishness and they'll never be able to learn...

First, if you're in a decent guild with good people, those guildies can help you learn. In my main guild we do a weekly group dungeon night, where people of all skill levels come out. Sometimes we end up with virtually all experienced players and we burn through the dungeons super quickly and easily, and sometimes we end up with a significant number of players who are new (or newish) to dungeons, and we take our time and make sure that they understand what's happening and how they can productively contribute. We don't tend to focus on things like "you should be using X Y & Z" and instead focus more on learning mechanics and roles and more general advice.

Second, here's a good guide to roles in group dungeons that's intended primarily for people who are inexperienced at group dungeons: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/296782/apps-guide-to-tanking-dps-and-healing-get-to-know-your-role#latest

Drdeath20

In a way There is a problem bcz you can reach max level only from grinding up and not actually playing.

Maybe after a certain point the final 30 CP's should require completing certain tasks. Nothing incredibly difficult but stuff that requires using both ability bars , using an logical rotation, blocking, timing dodge rolls, taunting, supporting teamates with HoTs as well as instant, single target burst and sustain.

Like a specific trial that has to reach a certain score on and the mechanics are not just about dps.

raj72616a

one solution i can think of to help with random group, is for ZOS to add a fourth role to party.

call it noob/random/off-tank or whatever, and let that be the go-to role for new comers to dungeon. let the real DPS sign up as DPS. dont force the “i'm new, i'm not a tank, i'm not a healer, but i'd like to try the dungeons and learn” people sign up as DPS even tho they know they arent. so that groups can more often be given at least one competent dps, and at most one inexperienced player to be carried.

Mojmir

I don't care what title,achievements, cp,race,color,creed,etc
If you suck,your getting booted, and you'll know why.it's up to you after what you do with the "why"

Bobby_V_Rockit

Lemme ask you this, as I find it to be the most important aspect. How, do we know if we are reasonable DPS or not?

I mean, most players have not done vMSA but I have completed all non-dlc vet dungeons (inc vCOA) with zero death runs and almost exclusively run with PUGS. I find normal trials to be painfully boring due to the ease (my first SO run was with a group of 7 and it was a zero death run). But I still consider myself mediocre at best.

Without relying on the fabled bloodspawn test, is there an accurate basis for comparison that we can say "you know what, I'm not too bad and am ready to tackle harder content now"?

Asardes

Osteos wrote: »

I'm not sure why people need to rush through dungeons. There's no need to dawdle but there also isn't a need to rush. I tank and I do not have auto loot so I can select what I want. Often someone is in a big hurry and will run off and pull the next set of trash mobs and usually get themselves killed. When someone says they have the quest at the beginning of the dungeon I have no issue waiting for them to go through dialog. I like the dungeon stories.

Most time effective method is to just loot everything, and out of dungeon simply choose what to decon, what to sell and what to keep. That's why I have a lot of materials, I'm never low on money and have collected a good amount of sets - up till One Tamriel just from DLC dungeons.