12,583 Damage from single non-stealth light attack

Taylor_MB

If this does not demonstrate bad design I'm not sure what does.



S's light attack procs poison, poison procs velidreth, velidreth procs vipers. Totally in 12,583 damage from a single light attack. 12,160 in approximately 1-1.5 seconds.

Little disheartened that players chose to run this setup (coming from a fellow Stam NB), but it is obviously on ZoS to address this. In my experience this probably the major cause of stam / magicka imbalance, the stacking of instant proc sets.

Solution: All instant damage sets should be a 2pc helm + shoulder.

This still allows for tremendous build diversity, allowing players to run instant proc sets, but preventing the ridiculous situation presented above. Just as an example, off the top of my head this change would include Vipers, Red Mountain and Widowmaker, but exclude DoT sets such as Storm Knights Plate.

Thoughts? Criticisms? L2P? Salty McSalt Breath?

Alucardo

Not a bad idea. Of course the insta damage sets would need buffing if they are all only available as a 2pc (Viper, Red Mountain)

DKsUnite

sick of these proc sets...

Rohamad_Ali

I don't see 12k single light attack in that pic anywhere .

Ashnunn

Elder proc's online, no skill required

MalakithAlamahdi

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

I don't see 12k single light attack in that pic anywhere .

He adds the light attack to all the proc sets it sets off. That all combined do that damage. He means he only had to do one light attack for that damage.

Taylor_MB

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

I don't see 12k single light attack in that pic anywhere .

Curse my conciseness leading to an inaccurate title. "single non-stealth light attack resulting in 12,583 damage"

MalakithAlamahdi wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

I don't see 12k single light attack in that pic anywhere .

He adds the light attack to all the proc sets it sets off. That all combined do that damage. He means he only had to do one light attack for that damage.

He's being funny :P

Alucardo

DKsUnite wrote: »

sick of these proc sets...

I used to be ok with them. That small 4k health you have left when you think you can get out of a tight situation is quickly snuffed out by a single viper proc starts to grind your gears after a while. Even worse when they throw out 3 high damaging disease balls and proc 4k poison damage just by a single light attack.

Here's a pretty standard recap for me and how dumbed down the game is right now when you die from light attacks and beam spam from people completely out of range

WillhelmBlack

1 button kills are only going to get worse in the upcoming patch. Even if they re worked some sets, you're still going to die from Ambush, heavy, Incap anyway, no amount of heavy armour or shields will stop 20K physical penetration.

Does anyone remember soft caps?

Chuga_Rei

You guys forget an important side to this argument. The loss of soft caps, these ridiculous proc builds, no skill 1 mash attacks etc all serve a very important purpose, they keep a large sample of the player base happy.

in my opinion aside from some of just plain silly design aspects, a lot of these changes where implemented to give less power to an individual(aside from burst damage) and give power to the mob.

1vx became a lot harder around the time snipe got a over the top buff. Then all it took was one bad spamming 1 button to really throw a damper into that 1v8 you were crushing(as a mag temp i was now stunned, heal debuffed and being hit like a freight train by someone from beyond my reach)

each change they implement furthers what seems to be an agenda to me. Make each individual as unremarkable as possible.

the recent changes with stamina also feel like a nasty case of "payback is a B"

I remember when my brother was one of the only stamina DK's in the game. At that he was wearing 7/7 heavy(rip Marku) Why did his build not become popular? I will tell you. it was hard to use and situation specific. DK's wanted to wear a skirt and stick and feel invincible, not work for each kill without in a less than optimal set up(fun fact, his char is a DC nord)

back then stam was weak compared to mag, anyone who was around remembers it. somehow I feel like some of the devs played stam and they remember it as well.

Ankael07

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

I don't see 12k single light attack in that pic anywhere .

The thing is you dont have to see it. A light attack can proc viper+velindreth+ poison + widowmaker and with each attack having a chance to proc each other like a combo.Thats about it for pvp at this point.

Remorseless

It's dumbing down pvp for sure. I think this is wrobels response to hearing all the he spammed one ability to kill me. Now hit one light attack and you get a chain reaction of top kek.

Draxys

Chuga_Rei wrote: »

You guys forget an important side to this argument. The loss of soft caps, these ridiculous proc builds, no skill 1 mash attacks etc all serve a very important purpose, they keep a large sample of the player base happy.

in my opinion aside from some of just plain silly design aspects, a lot of these changes where implemented to give less power to an individual(aside from burst damage) and give power to the mob.

1vx became a lot harder around the time snipe got a over the top buff. Then all it took was one bad spamming 1 button to really throw a damper into that 1v8 you were crushing(as a mag temp i was now stunned, heal debuffed and being hit like a freight train by someone from beyond my reach)

each change they implement furthers what seems to be an agenda to me. Make each individual as unremarkable as possible.

the recent changes with stamina also feel like a nasty case of "payback is a B"

I remember when my brother was one of the only stamina DK's in the game. At that he was wearing 7/7 heavy(rip Marku) Why did his build not become popular? I will tell you. it was hard to use and situation specific. DK's wanted to wear a skirt and stick and feel invincible, not work for each kill without in a less than optimal set up(fun fact, his char is a DC nord)

back then stam was weak compared to mag, anyone who was around remembers it. somehow I feel like some of the devs played stam and they remember it as well.

Yep. Everything from that point has been empowering the person who puts no effort into figuring out mechanics but wants to be super powerful anyway. It's overleveling the playing field to the point that it takes away from the experiences of the people who actually bother to really know the game.

Juhasow

What's most funny viper and velidreth was not on crit so it can go up even higher to ~16k , so after getting hit by light attack You going down to execute range. #Ballanced.

Erock25

These procs are a JOKE. They need to do something about it and soon.

Psilent

Taylor_MB wrote: »

If this does not demonstrate bad design I'm not sure what does.



S's light attack procs poison, poison procs velidreth, velidreth procs vipers. Totally in 12,583 damage from a single light attack. 12,160 in approximately 1-1.5 seconds.

Little disheartened that players chose to run this setup (coming from a fellow Stam NB), but it is obviously on ZoS to address this. In my experience this probably the major cause of stam / magicka imbalance, the stacking of instant proc sets.

Solution: All instant damage sets should be a 2pc helm + shoulder.

This still allows for tremendous build diversity, allowing players to run instant proc sets, but preventing the ridiculous situation presented above. Just as an example, off the top of my head this change would include Vipers, Red Mountain and Widowmaker, but exclude DoT sets such as Storm Knights Plate.

Thoughts? Criticisms? L2P? Salty McSalt Breath?

What is your playstyle?

Armitas

Taylor_MB wrote: »

but it is obviously on ZoS to address this.

That is going to be a problem right there. They should have known how those two sets would be used before they made them. It was mentioned by players on the PTS. It was mentioned by players in my TS the day the PTS came out; it was an obvious outcome. It's going to get worse too. Now every set will come with rings and weapons. Any possible system of set balancing is out the window. They intend to balance the world by dumping out the rest of Pandoras box rather than by putting stuff back into it.I am so tired of the combat development in this game. Their pandora method isn't even going to balance it either, look at the divide between VO and Aether, or viper and galerions revenge. Magicka is so stupid right now. I cannot for the life of me find a rational explanation for why the game exists as it does now. Sabotage is a more reasonable explanation than "they are trying".

olsborg

DKsUnite wrote: »

sick of these proc sets...

Sums it up for me too, viper and velidreth is just cancerous for pvp atm, why slot skills at all when rng can do the work for you, it promotes *** gameplay. Afraid it only gets worse with next update introducing more proccs like selene and other sets. I took 25k dmg from one sniper the other day, dont remember what the exact dmg numbers was, but it was the initial hit of the snipe, widowmakers procc, viper procc and the poison dot from applying the poison. It all added up to obscene amounts of dmg from one direct hit. Whats this game coming to...

@Wrobel do you have any comments?

Sallington

Procs sets need to go away and never come back. ZOS needs to get more creative with how 5-piece bonuses synergize with certain skills, and we need more passive buffs. There wouldn't be anything wrong with some sets that buffed class specific abilities.

For example, a Templar set: 5-piece bonus - Rushed Ceremony and its morphs heal 1 additional ally

Something like that. All 4 stam classes are all going after the same sets and it's boring as hell.

Chuga_Rei

funny thing is no one complains about skoria because its pretty well balanced w/magickas unimpressive dps lol

Alucardo

Chuga_Rei wrote: »

funny thing is no one complains about skoria because its pretty well balanced w/magickas unimpressive dps lol

Skoria is an example of a good design choice

Anazasi

ZOS goals.....See how bad we can mess it up before we fix everything with the combat re balance patch scheduled for December......

olsborg

Alucardo wrote: »

Chuga_Rei wrote: »

funny thing is no one complains about skoria because its pretty well balanced w/magickas unimpressive dps lol

Skoria is an example of a good design choice

Skoria is balanced because dmg aint ridiculous and you cant gank players too easy with it.

Armitas

Don't worry guys, they will address these concerns in update 16. A fix is on the way!

I feel like they jumped the shark with all these new sets coming up. We heard you didn't like velidreth so we added more velidreth so you can velidreth while you velidreth.

Alucardo

Wtf does velidreth even proc when you're using siege? I could have sworn I saw this poor AD guy get murked by a DC while he was on his siege. The one wearing velidreth didn't even know what was going on and he got the killing blow.

olsborg

Alucardo wrote: »

Wtf does velidreth even proc when you're using siege? I could have sworn I saw this poor AD guy get murked by a DC while he was on his siege. The one wearing velidreth didn't even know what was going on and he got the killing blow.

Hahaha. Well, zos dont want players to use their brains for pvp so...working as intended.

WillhelmBlack

Alucardo wrote: »

Wtf does velidreth even proc when you're using siege? I could have sworn I saw this poor AD guy get murked by a DC while he was on his siege. The one wearing velidreth didn't even know what was going on and he got the killing blow.

It does indeed!

DKsUnite

Alucardo wrote: »

Wtf does velidreth even proc when you're using siege? I could have sworn I saw this poor AD guy get murked by a DC while he was on his siege. The one wearing velidreth didn't even know what was going on and he got the killing blow.

ofc it does.... gotta make sure you get that veli KB while you siege down the sole person in the 1v15....

Alucardo

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Wtf does velidreth even proc when you're using siege? I could have sworn I saw this poor AD guy get murked by a DC while he was on his siege. The one wearing velidreth didn't even know what was going on and he got the killing blow.

It does indeed!

Lol I don't know whether to laugh or cry

Minalan

Funny. Nobody says a *** word about this until one of the 'cool kids' finally notices how broken this is.

Stay classy taytay, I'm sure the devs will ignore this one too.

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Wtf does velidreth even proc when you're using siege? I could have sworn I saw this poor AD guy get murked by a DC while he was on his siege. The one wearing velidreth didn't even know what was going on and he got the killing blow.

It does indeed!

Plenty of sets do, including viscous death...

Taylor_MB

Thank you for your contribution, @Minalan

Can't believe I'm finally an official member of the 'cool kids' gang

Edit: pretty sure 90%+ of these people have no idea who I am, seeming I play almost exclusively in AS.