Calling it now SnB next Fotm

Waffennacht

I just wanted to put this out there. When I first saw the heavy armor buffs I posted a thread "HA next fotm?" According to most forum goers this would be accurate.

So I'm gonna say we will see ALOT of SnB comin.

I already use SnB x2 on my build, and with some great buff sets coming. Im calling it.

If you haven't seen the new sets I highly recommend checking them out
For example:

Knight Errant Set:
(2) Piece: 1064 health
(3) Piece: 967 stamina
(4) Piece: 129 weapon damage
(5) Piece: Adds 200 Weapon Damage to your One Hand and Shield abilities. When you use a One Hand and Shield ability, you heal for 1250 Health.

Knight Errant set not only brings SnB a great damage buff, but it'll bring with it a passive heal. If players play like me, that'll be a minimum 625 (in PvP, 1250 non PvP - it may scale) every sec. Combine this with CPs, HA, vitality, mending etc, this will be a free passive vigor. Templars and DKs will love this (my sorc is gonna really love it)

The new ultimate is just bursting with potential. PTS users have said it is not very difficult to maintain a 100% up time. Though not necessary, even a fraction of that can be used to devastating effect. Free abilities (can be combined with Kena - though im gonna guess most will use tremor scale) and allow for an all out onslaught offensively (and combine with Knight for free heals) or you can use the reflect version that is just a giant middle finger to many magicka builds.

Personally My goal is:

Jaeger Magier (Hunter Mage)
x5 knight errant
x5 eternal hunt
x2 tremor scale

Great sustain, great defense, huge burst potential and some great stats. I would into more but I would rather hear your thoughts.

What are your opinions?

Dracane

And Magicka Sorc is going to loose its last life sign when everyone runs around with the Sword and Board ult and many will decide for the reflect one. We are sooo dead Like really dead this time.

Waffennacht

Dracane wrote: »

And Magicka Sorc is going to loose its last life sign when everyone runs around with the Sword and Board ult and many will decide for the reflect one. We are sooo dead Like really dead this time.

I think the only chance will be that so many players will be stam based that in turn everyone will be running the free moves morph lol. As far as mag sorcs go, im just glad I made an alt.

FearlessOne_2014

Meh just another nail in the coffin for ESO. Nothing to celebrate when a class get deleted for the game. Because of intentional balancing.

shezof

i will probably quit pvp next patch,because of the this disgusting metaplay.

Kammakazi

SnB has been dominating since Thieve's Guild patch.....

code65536

Knight errant, tremorscale, master sword.

Dyride

SnB has always been a very strong solo build.

But the burst will be 2x next patch so plenty of people will die without time to react or get their ulti off.

#Balance.

Waffennacht

Dyride wrote: »

SnB has always been a very strong solo build.

But the burst will be 2x next patch so plenty of people will die without time to react or get their ulti off.

#Balance.

Kammakazi wrote: »

SnB has been dominating since Thieve's Guild patch.....

I agree with both of these comments. However, atm, clearly 2H/bow or 2H/dw are more frequently seen than SnB.

And more over, SnB currently is mostly seen by DKs and the more tanky builds.

I hypothesis that after T1 we will see a high number of medium/heavy SnB dps builds. Some that completely forgo 2h and DW.

Even magicka builds can slot it back bar for auto free blocks and reflects, a huge stamina saver.

DemonDruaga

Where to get knight errant ?

Adenoma

5x Black Rose
5x Eternal Draugr
2x Bloodspawn

Stam Sorc S&B/dw

I've been playing it without Eternal Draugr and it's been amazing. I'm betting it's not going to get worse. Otherwise, I'll be testing Knight-Errant and I've used Fasalla's Guile for solo play.

Personofsecrets

100% up time on an ultimate that last 6 seconds?

That is pretty neat-o

Vangy

Meh..

Nbs and gankers will still be running their 5 viper 2 veli and maybe even 5 widowmaker cheese.... Red mountain going to be overland too. The burst damage is going to be thru the roof.

The only people running SNB will be the ones already running SnB now. The dks and temps due to *** mobility and "mah house" philosophy.

Sorcs... are another matter entirely. GG sorcs. Mine is already a mule now. Does 8 crafting dailies too.

Bandit1215

Waffennacht wrote: »

I just wanted to put this out there. When I first saw the heavy armor buffs I posted a thread "HA next fotm?" According to most forum goers this would be accurate.

So I'm gonna say we will see ALOT of SnB comin.

I already use SnB x2 on my build, and with some great buff sets coming. Im calling it.

If you haven't seen the new sets I highly recommend checking them out
For example:

Knight Errant Set:
(2) Piece: 1064 health
(3) Piece: 967 stamina
(4) Piece: 129 weapon damage
(5) Piece: Adds 200 Weapon Damage to your One Hand and Shield abilities. When you use a One Hand and Shield ability, you heal for 1250 Health.

Knight Errant set not only brings SnB a great damage buff, but it'll bring with it a passive heal. If players play like me, that'll be a minimum 625 (in PvP, 1250 non PvP - it may scale) every sec. Combine this with CPs, HA, vitality, mending etc, this will be a free passive vigor. Templars and DKs will love this (my sorc is gonna really love it)

The new ultimate is just bursting with potential. PTS users have said it is not very difficult to maintain a 100% up time. Though not necessary, even a fraction of that can be used to devastating effect. Free abilities (can be combined with Kena - though im gonna guess most will use tremor scale) and allow for an all out onslaught offensively (and combine with Knight for free heals) or you can use the reflect version that is just a giant middle finger to many magicka builds.

Personally My goal is:

Jaeger Magier (Hunter Mage)
x5 knight errant
x5 eternal hunt
x2 tremor scale

Great sustain, great defense, huge burst potential and some great stats. I would into more but I would rather hear your thoughts.

What are your opinions?

For extra cancer, use the Masters Sword on a stamsorc with that set using crit surge. If your puncture crits, you LITERALLY GET 3 HEALS AT ONCE!!

Strider_Roshin

Yeah ZOS's approach to outperforming mechanics, abilities, sets, etc. Is to buff it.

Vaoh

I'm sick and tired of the absolutely horrible balancing of Stamina since Dark Brotherhood released.

Yeah, Stamina is far superior to Magicka in PvP, but WHY is it like that?

WHY is Stamina getting so overbuffed?

What is stopping me from running 5x Black Rose (5 armor), 5x Knight's Errant (3 jewelry, 1 armor, shield), 1x Velidreth, and then a Master Sword, with either Master Bow or Maelstrom greatsword on my backbar?

Combined with Critical Surge, or Major Mending, this is absolutely stupid OP.

Then you have this 1H/S Ultimate which NEGATES THE COST OF YOUR ATTACKS AND BLOCKS ALL ATTA KS COMING TOWARD YOU. Essentially grants you a massive amount of free resources and all the time in the world to reposition or heal up when everything that hits you (if it hits you since you use Shuffle) barely scrapes your health.

Such a stupid meta. What can my Magicka Sorc do which is remotely similar? Shieldstack with my expensive shield? Roll dodge out of 1 root and break 1 CC before popping a pot? Put out "heavy" burst damage that barely hurts Heavy Armor builds, which can now heal for 30% of their health for attacking me with puncture, then pop an invulnerability Ult that grants them free attacks that I have no counters to?

Yup! Magicka Sorcs sure are OP!

Get ready for One Tamriel everyone. The meta is going to be the worst, most skill-less one we've ever witnessed.

And to think all of this OP gear to fit with OP Stamina can be easily farmed in its entirety over the course of half a day. Smh ZOS. You're letting PvP slip now.....

Alucardo

I use SnB myself, but mostly for the defensive capabilities. I don't understand why ZOS are so determined on giving it ridiculously high DPS as well as defence. I'll probably get hate for this, but that set should come with no weapon damage bonuses whatsoever, and the SnB ulti needs a slightly higher cost.

Xsorus

Nord Stam dk
Fasalla 5 piece armor
Bone pirate jewelry and weapons (1h shield and dw or bow)
Troll kings helm shoulders (heavy)

Tri stay glyphs on helm/legs/chest
Stamina on every other piece
3 weapon damage enchants on jewelry

Stamina/health recovery drink coming in up coming patch

This gives you a large about of stamina and a little over 5k health recovery every time you drop below 60% health.

leepalmer95

5x Draugr
5x Knight's errant
2x Tremorscale...

Fotm Meta dueling stam dk set up

You can afford to lose the black rose sustain as you'll have around 52k stamina so redguard sustain will make up for it.

You'll heal more, get more sustain via redguard and battle roar, more burst dmg via tremorscale..

Yep, next patch sounds fun.

And here i was thinking dueling couldn't get anymore worse than it was and that the stam meta wouldn't get worse..

Come on zos..

Brutusmax1mus

To the mad sorc here, you can use snb too..

I bet you'll encounter only a few people running that puncture build with a master sword that is a stamina sorc. Stam sorcs don't need that build they are better off max dps. They already passively heal well.

I do not think it's the end of sorcs personally unless you're stuck in the duel wield or bust mind set. Destro ftw. Banking on only burst from skills is over. You need sets now, unfortunately.

Magicka does need a little help though, but i think it's based on cc break and dodge roll capabilities.

Pinja

Vaoh wrote: »

I'm sick and tired of the absolutely horrible balancing of Stamina since Dark Brotherhood released.

Yeah, Stamina is far superior to Magicka in PvP, but WHY is it like that?

WHY is Stamina getting so overbuffed?

What is stopping me from running 5x Black Rose (5 armor), 5x Knight's Errant (3 jewelry, 1 armor, shield), 1x Velidreth, and then a Master Sword, with either Master Bow or Maelstrom greatsword on my backbar?

Combined with Critical Surge, or Major Mending, this is absolutely stupid OP.

Then you have this 1H/S Ultimate which NEGATES THE COST OF YOUR ATTACKS AND BLOCKS ALL ATTA KS COMING TOWARD YOU. Essentially grants you a massive amount of free resources and all the time in the world to reposition or heal up when everything that hits you (if it hits you since you use Shuffle) barely scrapes your health.

Such a stupid meta. What can my Magicka Sorc do which is remotely similar? Shieldstack with my expensive shield? Roll dodge out of 1 root and break 1 CC before popping a pot? Put out "heavy" burst damage that barely hurts Heavy Armor builds, which can now heal for 30% of their health for attacking me with puncture, then pop an invulnerability Ult that grants them free attacks that I have no counters to?

Yup! Magicka Sorcs sure are OP!

Get ready for One Tamriel everyone. The meta is going to be the worst, most skill-less one we've ever witnessed.

And to think all of this OP gear to fit with OP Stamina can be easily farmed in its entirety over the course of half a day. Smh ZOS. You're letting PvP slip now.....

You forgot the 15% from absorb Magic,
Aka R.I.P Magic Sorc.

Not saying SnB can't be made into something cool. But when the meta across all stamina for being cool is tread on magic. Magic should at least be made into something worthwhile.

Barlthump

Vangy wrote: »

Meh..

Nbs and gankers will still be running their 5 viper 2 veli and maybe even 5 widowmaker cheese.... Red mountain going to be overland too. The burst damage is going to be thru the roof.

The only people running SNB will be the ones already running SnB now. The dks and temps due to *** mobility and "mah house" philosophy.

Sorcs... are another matter entirely. GG sorcs. Mine is already a mule now. Does 8 crafting dailies too.

After doing much research, the remarkable "Does 8 crafting dailies too." Was determined a lie. L2Lie please

Bandit1215

Am I the only one that remembers the days when magicka classes where gods and stamina builds were almost non-existant? I know it was a while ago, but it happened with magicka so why not happen with stamina? Don't get me wrong, I don't like the gigantic split between the two but everyone acts like it hasn't happened before.

xellink

Bandit1215 wrote: »

Am I the only one that remembers the days when magicka classes where gods and stamina builds were almost non-existant? I know it was a while ago, but it happened with magicka so why not happen with stamina? Don't get me wrong, I don't like the gigantic split between the two but everyone acts like it hasn't happened before.

Popularity is not balance. ESO balances base on popularity. A weak but flashy skill will be picked up more by casuals compared to a boring but efficient skill. People cry nerf when they see too many of something... so whatever. But HA is in good place for balance. I still see a lot of LA and MA players. However magicka is going to be slightly underpowered next meta. We need hybrid magicka options. So far the expansions (TG and DB) have been stamina based. I think there will be a power shift once ESO releases a magic based expansion like Winterhold or something.

We need: A magicka version of black rose, probably can be called white rose. A hybrid version of black rose (with 1.5x the stats of course), can be named silver rose. A few weaker sets but magicka based for HA, like a magicka version of warrior's fury, call it mage's fury. We could also use spellcrafting. It'd be awesome if we can make spells, especially more intelligent summon system and better pet ai. A Winterhold expansion will just be a Magicka user's wet dream.

DRXHarbinger

Hmm mm.

Using that werewolf set that gives 5 ulti every time you're hit, with sword, shield and jewlery.

5 knights errant armour and heavy selene.

Just come at me, jab jab jab, bear attack, jab jab jab all whilst perma blocking and at full stats.

Waffennacht

Told ya you would see A LOT of this

Xvorg

Waffennacht wrote: »

Told ya you would see A LOT of this

- Bought Morrowind a couple days ago
- Installed the Morrowind Overhaul 3.0
- Created a Magicka oriented (conju, resto, mysti, alter) Argonian with a spear
- I'm having loads of fun... even cliff racers are funny

Waffennacht

@Xvorg I hated cliff racers with a passion! Their annoying constant attacks and always gave you diseases.

I was so happy to read the lore that a hero whom felt the same as I, went out and exterminated them!

I was happy to not have diseases in ESO

Oh btw im xbox so... lol

For my stam build (back on topic for a moment) um... tremor scale is pretty good

Xvorg

Waffennacht wrote: »

@Xvorg I hated cliff racers with a passion! Their annoying constant attacks and always gave you diseases.

I was so happy to read the lore that a hero whom felt the same as I, went out and exterminated them!

I was happy to not have diseases in ESO

Oh btw im xbox so... lol

For my stam build (back on topic for a moment) um... tremor scale is pretty good

That's why I play Argonian... saddly after you get corprus and cure it it is pointles =(

I think I'll take a nap from ESO until next patch... don't want to go either stam or templar

Waffennacht

@Xvorg if you don't wanna run stam or temp cheese, I highly recommend magicka cheese.

Try:
Altmer

x5 Necropotence
x4 x5 Alchemist
x2 Infernal Guardian

Familiar, Wrath, Curse, H Ward, Frag, Meteor or Overload or DboS or Destro Ult
Familiar, Power Surge, A heal (dark conversion), Dampen/Absorb Magic, Daedric Minefield, Soul Assault

You can go heavy or light, you can go inferno or lightning staff

It's more Proc than your stam Proc and has all the cheese. SA cheese, Shield Stack cheese, Mine camp cheese, Pet cheese, and Proc cheese.

It's my all dairy diet

DannyLV702

Kammakazi wrote: »

SnB has been dominating since Thieve's Guild patch.....

This