Calling all AD back to TF

Rohamad_Ali

antihero727 wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

dashima wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

I know I'm right. AD came in last place and yet here they are saying they're leaving because they can't find fights or some such nonsense. Very amusing. If you're in last place clearly you're finding fights. You're just losing them.

Or (this might be a shock, I know) EP has a round-the-clock presence on Haderus and while they get lots of pressure during primetime, they still find a way to paint the entire map red by 5 am.

That's really what scoreboards reflect. Not the skill of an alliance/its groups or how many fights we won, but the number of people an alliance has and who has more when the NA guys go to bed. Like I said, when any of the AD guilds were on, most of the map would go yellow and Nikolai (who was actually there and I can't believe I agree w the guy) or any of the other EP/AD that were actually there, knows what's up.

When you say things like these groups are leaving because they "lost," you prove that you don't know a thing you're talking about. I'm not sure if I'm even supposed to take you seriously at this point. EP groups are leaving too btw, and yet they won the last couple campaigns.

Haderus is fun if you're running like maybe 4-man groups because the players there are mostly bad. You can literally cap all the scrolls and emperorship with a single 12-man group if you really wanted to. It's boring and it sucks. I'm in it for the AP and the fights, not some lame scoreboard lol.

You're lead if cuz you lost. You're not leaving because you're amazing and awesome. You realize you can't win so you wanna return to where you were able to pull off some wins with the help of lots and lots of other ad. It's ok...I get it on some level.

Here you go again spouting garbage with 2nd hand information. Lol you must be a older Canadian woman. Please stop this before you embarrass yourself anymore today.

I'm a hot American woman, if you must know. And I don't feel embarrassed at all. In fact I'm thoroughly amused at AD's predicament. They split their massive obscene Zerg and are losing 2 campaigns when forced to fight on their merits and not their ridic mobs.

I almost feel a sense of pity.

Like "hot" or "hot flashes"? If your baiting it might make me come back from my break early to lead again. Watch what bear you poke, they might give you the Leonardo treatment. @Rohamad_Ali please give me a good pic for this.

Skyy

God_flakes wrote: »

dashima wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

I know I'm right. AD came in last place and yet here they are saying they're leaving because they can't find fights or some such nonsense. Very amusing. If you're in last place clearly you're finding fights. You're just losing them.

Or (this might be a shock, I know) EP has a round-the-clock presence on Haderus and while they get lots of pressure during primetime, they still find a way to paint the entire map red by 5 am.

That's really what scoreboards reflect. Not the skill of an alliance/its groups or how many fights we won, but the number of people an alliance has and who has more when the NA guys go to bed. Like I said, when any of the AD guilds were on, most of the map would go yellow and Nikolai (who was actually there and I can't believe I agree w the guy) or any of the other EP/AD that were actually there, knows what's up.

When you say things like these groups are leaving because they "lost," you prove that you don't know a thing you're talking about. I'm not sure if I'm even supposed to take you seriously at this point. EP groups are leaving too btw, and yet they won the last couple campaigns.

Haderus is fun if you're running like maybe 4-man groups because the players there are mostly bad. You can literally cap all the scrolls and emperorship with a single 12-man group if you really wanted to. It's boring and it sucks. I'm in it for the AP and the fights, not some lame scoreboard lol.

You're lead if cuz you lost. You're not leaving because you're amazing and awesome. You realize you can't win so you wanna return to where you were able to pull off some wins with the help of lots and lots of other ad. It's ok...I get it on some level.

The only reason they didn't beat DC is because of a massive underpop bonus that dc had during most of the time. Even they they could have easily beat dc if they had felt like it, but instead the AD guilds went where the fights were which meant trying to take down the ep and ignoring the dc. The dc were also almost entirely ignored by ep during rime time as well since the ten ep that kept taking over the barren map during non-prime times meant we were guarenteed a win anyway.

Also DC on TF spends about 8 hours every day with 3 bars to ep and ad being at 2 bars. While the numbers are much more equal than they have been in a long time, surprise, surprise, the faction with the most numbers is still winning.

Anazasi

not even 24 hours on this post and it's 7 pages. Sure glad I decided to build a new patio this week.

ataggs

Anazasi wrote: »

not even 24 hours on this post and it's 7 pages. Sure glad I decided to build a new patio this week.

Lol, calling all AD back to TF includes you Taran. Time to leave the patio and get back to the fight.

antihero727

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

dashima wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

I know I'm right. AD came in last place and yet here they are saying they're leaving because they can't find fights or some such nonsense. Very amusing. If you're in last place clearly you're finding fights. You're just losing them.

Or (this might be a shock, I know) EP has a round-the-clock presence on Haderus and while they get lots of pressure during primetime, they still find a way to paint the entire map red by 5 am.

That's really what scoreboards reflect. Not the skill of an alliance/its groups or how many fights we won, but the number of people an alliance has and who has more when the NA guys go to bed. Like I said, when any of the AD guilds were on, most of the map would go yellow and Nikolai (who was actually there and I can't believe I agree w the guy) or any of the other EP/AD that were actually there, knows what's up.

When you say things like these groups are leaving because they "lost," you prove that you don't know a thing you're talking about. I'm not sure if I'm even supposed to take you seriously at this point. EP groups are leaving too btw, and yet they won the last couple campaigns.

Haderus is fun if you're running like maybe 4-man groups because the players there are mostly bad. You can literally cap all the scrolls and emperorship with a single 12-man group if you really wanted to. It's boring and it sucks. I'm in it for the AP and the fights, not some lame scoreboard lol.

You're lead if cuz you lost. You're not leaving because you're amazing and awesome. You realize you can't win so you wanna return to where you were able to pull off some wins with the help of lots and lots of other ad. It's ok...I get it on some level.

Here you go again spouting garbage with 2nd hand information. Lol you must be a older Canadian woman. Please stop this before you embarrass yourself anymore today.

I'm a hot American woman, if you must know. And I don't feel embarrassed at all. In fact I'm thoroughly amused at AD's predicament. They split their massive obscene Zerg and are losing 2 campaigns when forced to fight on their merits and not their ridic mobs.

I almost feel a sense of pity.

Like "hot" or "hot flashes"? If your baiting it might make me come back from my break early to lead again. Watch what bear you poke, they might give you the Leonardo treatment. @Rohamad_Ali please give me a good pic for this.

I was thinking more of the bear vs Leo treatment.

Rohamad_Ali

antihero727 wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

dashima wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

I know I'm right. AD came in last place and yet here they are saying they're leaving because they can't find fights or some such nonsense. Very amusing. If you're in last place clearly you're finding fights. You're just losing them.

Or (this might be a shock, I know) EP has a round-the-clock presence on Haderus and while they get lots of pressure during primetime, they still find a way to paint the entire map red by 5 am.

That's really what scoreboards reflect. Not the skill of an alliance/its groups or how many fights we won, but the number of people an alliance has and who has more when the NA guys go to bed. Like I said, when any of the AD guilds were on, most of the map would go yellow and Nikolai (who was actually there and I can't believe I agree w the guy) or any of the other EP/AD that were actually there, knows what's up.

When you say things like these groups are leaving because they "lost," you prove that you don't know a thing you're talking about. I'm not sure if I'm even supposed to take you seriously at this point. EP groups are leaving too btw, and yet they won the last couple campaigns.

Haderus is fun if you're running like maybe 4-man groups because the players there are mostly bad. You can literally cap all the scrolls and emperorship with a single 12-man group if you really wanted to. It's boring and it sucks. I'm in it for the AP and the fights, not some lame scoreboard lol.

You're lead if cuz you lost. You're not leaving because you're amazing and awesome. You realize you can't win so you wanna return to where you were able to pull off some wins with the help of lots and lots of other ad. It's ok...I get it on some level.

Here you go again spouting garbage with 2nd hand information. Lol you must be a older Canadian woman. Please stop this before you embarrass yourself anymore today.

I'm a hot American woman, if you must know. And I don't feel embarrassed at all. In fact I'm thoroughly amused at AD's predicament. They split their massive obscene Zerg and are losing 2 campaigns when forced to fight on their merits and not their ridic mobs.

I almost feel a sense of pity.

Like "hot" or "hot flashes"? If your baiting it might make me come back from my break early to lead again. Watch what bear you poke, they might give you the Leonardo treatment. @Rohamad_Ali please give me a good pic for this.

I was thinking more of the bear vs Leo treatment.

I thought Lady Gaga was more frightening .

antihero727

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

dashima wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

I know I'm right. AD came in last place and yet here they are saying they're leaving because they can't find fights or some such nonsense. Very amusing. If you're in last place clearly you're finding fights. You're just losing them.

Or (this might be a shock, I know) EP has a round-the-clock presence on Haderus and while they get lots of pressure during primetime, they still find a way to paint the entire map red by 5 am.

That's really what scoreboards reflect. Not the skill of an alliance/its groups or how many fights we won, but the number of people an alliance has and who has more when the NA guys go to bed. Like I said, when any of the AD guilds were on, most of the map would go yellow and Nikolai (who was actually there and I can't believe I agree w the guy) or any of the other EP/AD that were actually there, knows what's up.

When you say things like these groups are leaving because they "lost," you prove that you don't know a thing you're talking about. I'm not sure if I'm even supposed to take you seriously at this point. EP groups are leaving too btw, and yet they won the last couple campaigns.

Haderus is fun if you're running like maybe 4-man groups because the players there are mostly bad. You can literally cap all the scrolls and emperorship with a single 12-man group if you really wanted to. It's boring and it sucks. I'm in it for the AP and the fights, not some lame scoreboard lol.

You're lead if cuz you lost. You're not leaving because you're amazing and awesome. You realize you can't win so you wanna return to where you were able to pull off some wins with the help of lots and lots of other ad. It's ok...I get it on some level.

Here you go again spouting garbage with 2nd hand information. Lol you must be a older Canadian woman. Please stop this before you embarrass yourself anymore today.

I'm a hot American woman, if you must know. And I don't feel embarrassed at all. In fact I'm thoroughly amused at AD's predicament. They split their massive obscene Zerg and are losing 2 campaigns when forced to fight on their merits and not their ridic mobs.

I almost feel a sense of pity.

Like "hot" or "hot flashes"? If your baiting it might make me come back from my break early to lead again. Watch what bear you poke, they might give you the Leonardo treatment. @Rohamad_Ali please give me a good pic for this.

I was thinking more of the bear vs Leo treatment.

I thought Lady Gaga was more frightening .

That's the poking the bear reference I was trying to convey. Thanks, you get a rez from DD members if they find you dead on the field.

_Chaos

Thelon wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

Lol you must be a older Canadian woman.

Canadian milfs are hawt. Its how we survive our 8 month winters

QFT

Telel

God_flakes wrote: »

I know I'm right. AD came in last place and yet here they are saying they're leaving because they can't find fights or some such nonsense. Very amusing. If you're in last place clearly you're finding fights. You're just losing them.

This one never said they were leaving because they couldn't find fights.

They said they mightb e leaving because there's no point staying on a server where the opposition only fights empty keeps, or opponents they not only outnumber, but have aid from a third faction in attacking.

it's quite easy to find a fight on Haderus if you're in the dumbminion. Just walkside outside the spawn point in either base camp at 4am and many many MANY 'super good' players will be there to attack you from stealth. You will even get your pick between two different colors of enemies.

And if you prefer to play during the time period when PVE leeches are bloating the pop bars by hiding inside the sewers you can rest assured that merely taking a resource will result in many new crimson colored clowns spewing big balls out all over your face. And if you don't like that, there's likely a set of blue ones waiting for you to try and flee the first.

God_flakes

The Ad in TF tonight:



Much rustle many jimmies.

They even sent a few of their plebs to DC zone to clown it up for us.

Rohamad_Ali

AD zone chat was very pleasant and happy as usual . Iskra led a fun group earlier I was in . Everyone was most helpful and positive . If someone went off to DC zone chat is was on thier own accord and no one is sending them . We got Our scroll back and had many fun battles . Not sure anyone in AD wears jimmies tbh . Probably valor or velvet satin underpants , loose , comfortable and no static clinging .

Powder fresh out of the shower confident feeling .

God_flakes

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

AD zone chat was very pleasant and happy as usual . Iskra led a fun group earlier I was in . Everyone was most helpful and positive . If someone went off to DC zone chat is was on thier own accord and no one is sending them . We got Our scroll back and had many fun battles . Not sure anyone in AD wears jimmies tbh . Probably valor or velvet satin underpants , loose , comfortable and no static clinging .

Yes I'm sure the additional 75 players you had were extremely jovial as they stacked their entire faction at every engagement with DC. Hahahahahahahha

Rohamad_Ali

God_flakes wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

AD zone chat was very pleasant and happy as usual . Iskra led a fun group earlier I was in . Everyone was most helpful and positive . If someone went off to DC zone chat is was on thier own accord and no one is sending them . We got Our scroll back and had many fun battles . Not sure anyone in AD wears jimmies tbh . Probably valor or velvet satin underpants , loose , comfortable and no static clinging .

Yes I'm sure the additional 75 players you had were extremely jovial as they stacked their entire faction at every engagement with DC. Hahahahahahahha

The population locks are the same for all the factions . Don't be all sore because of equal forces on same servers . Maybe you don't know but we are fighting just as hard as everyone else . Pact Militia brings many to a fight but we don't care . Our apparel is spring fresh and salt resistant

God_flakes

This is literally what every AD player reminded me of tonight:

maxjapank

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

AD zone chat was very pleasant and happy as usual . Iskra led a fun group earlier I was in . Everyone was most helpful and positive . If someone went off to DC zone chat is was on thier own accord and no one is sending them . We got Our scroll back and had many fun battles . Not sure anyone in AD wears jimmies tbh . Probably valor or velvet satin underpants , loose , comfortable and no static clinging .

Yes I'm sure the additional 75 players you had were extremely jovial as they stacked their entire faction at every engagement with DC. Hahahahahahahha

The population locks are the same for all the factions . Don't be all sore because of equal forces on same servers . Maybe you don't know but we are fighting just as hard as everyone else . Pact Militia brings many to a fight but we don't care . Our apparel is spring fresh and salt resistant

Yeah. I don't know what the big fuss is about. Please don't think that one person speaks for all of DC. Most are having a good time, I think.

Rohamad_Ali

maxjapank wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

AD zone chat was very pleasant and happy as usual . Iskra led a fun group earlier I was in . Everyone was most helpful and positive . If someone went off to DC zone chat is was on thier own accord and no one is sending them . We got Our scroll back and had many fun battles . Not sure anyone in AD wears jimmies tbh . Probably valor or velvet satin underpants , loose , comfortable and no static clinging .

Yes I'm sure the additional 75 players you had were extremely jovial as they stacked their entire faction at every engagement with DC. Hahahahahahahha

The population locks are the same for all the factions . Don't be all sore because of equal forces on same servers . Maybe you don't know but we are fighting just as hard as everyone else . Pact Militia brings many to a fight but we don't care . Our apparel is spring fresh and salt resistant

Yeah. I don't know what the big fuss is about. Please don't think that one person speaks for all of DC. Most are having a good time, I think.

I don't not think this . I think God Flakes likes the forums pvping and I just hold up my comfy pillow shield and do not let this be bothering me . Pretty funny BeeGees gif though .




Good fights tonight , very tough battles . Much fun and good times .

Recremen

maxjapank wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

AD zone chat was very pleasant and happy as usual . Iskra led a fun group earlier I was in . Everyone was most helpful and positive . If someone went off to DC zone chat is was on thier own accord and no one is sending them . We got Our scroll back and had many fun battles . Not sure anyone in AD wears jimmies tbh . Probably valor or velvet satin underpants , loose , comfortable and no static clinging .

Yes I'm sure the additional 75 players you had were extremely jovial as they stacked their entire faction at every engagement with DC. Hahahahahahahha

The population locks are the same for all the factions . Don't be all sore because of equal forces on same servers . Maybe you don't know but we are fighting just as hard as everyone else . Pact Militia brings many to a fight but we don't care . Our apparel is spring fresh and salt resistant

Yeah. I don't know what the big fuss is about. Please don't think that one person speaks for all of DC. Most are having a good time, I think.

Forgive us our zergbads, as we forgive those who [snip] against us.

DHale

The beatings will continue until morale improves. It was good however to see quite a few GOS tabbards out and about.

ataggs

So glad it went well last night and sorry I missed it, Wednesday is my off night. I'll be on tonight though, can't wait!

Scamandros

Serjustin19 wrote: »

Try not to laugh. I finaly finished downloading the whole game for pc. The NA server. Was so happy to help since I do have AD level 10. So clicked on NA. Game started to load. Game finished loading. No characters.

I then reliezed my AD level 10 is on EU server. Instead of NA. (Gosh it been ages since I last played on PC.) Forgive me for I can't help right now. But I will make new character for AD for NA. Again sorry for the mixup.

@Serjustin19 I cannot put to words how excited I am that you will be joining us.

Glory to the dominion!

Anazasi

ataggs wrote: »

Anazasi wrote: »

not even 24 hours on this post and it's 7 pages. Sure glad I decided to build a new patio this week.

Lol, calling all AD back to TF includes you Taran. Time to leave the patio and get back to the fight.

ROFL sorry ha ha my kids want patio parties......

RinaldoGandolphi

AD has had the numbers on TF, I have been on the recieving end of their huge zergs on quite a few occasions the past week or so.(all 3 factions Zerg at diff times no big deal) It just seems AD backs off a bit during primetime for whatever reason. Its not because they can't win or don't know what they are doing so I don't know.

As @Minno talked about, AD players seem to have their builds together and play extremely well in small scale fighting...EP just seems to have huge numbers of people. Not sure what that is all about.

Right now both DC and EP are very beatable on TF, and AD don't need help from the Haderus AD. What AD needs is the same thing Dc needed the last 2 cycles, get organized and play the map smartly.

AD seemed to have a very large defense at Ash last night, so they can muster numbers when they choose to.

Skyy

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

AD has had the numbers on TF, I have been on the recieving end of their huge zergs on quite a few occasions the past week or so.(all 3 factions Zerg at diff times no big deal) It just seems AD backs off a bit during primetime for whatever reason. Its not because they can't win or don't know what they are doing so I don't know.

As @Minno talked about, AD players seem to have their builds together and play extremely well in small scale fighting...EP just seems to have huge numbers of people. Not sure what that is all about.

Right now both DC and EP are very beatable on TF, and AD don't need help from the Haderus AD. What AD needs is the same thing Dc needed the last 2 cycles, get organized and play the map smartly.

AD seemed to have a very large defense at Ash last night, so they can muster numbers when they choose to.

They back off of DC during prime time, not back off entirely. It was quite surprising to see they had pushed DC as hard as they usually push EP last night.

heystreethawk

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Right now both DC and EP are very beatable on TF, and AD don't need help from the Haderus AD. What AD needs is the same thing Dc needed the last 2 cycles, get organized and play the map smartly.

AD seemed to have a very large defense at Ash last night, so they can muster numbers when they choose to.

I agree that AD needs organization instead of raw additional numbers, but you know it's not possible to add raw additional numbers during primetime. Everyone is locked. What is possible, what is happening, is that organized guilds begin lining up at queue position 8, instead of 16 separate and ungrouped entities. From my experience, it takes a long time for any group of players (with the exception of supergroups pooled together from old guilds) to transition to the status of what we'd call organized, and that just can't happen in a vacuum! There needs to be a little more structure in place, y'know? Lemme hearken back to Crispen's excellent point real quick:

Crispen_Longbow wrote: »

When all 3 factions on TF are locked it matters what guilds are locked in with their factions. If the EP/AD guilds replace the random solo players with guild players, the map actually becomes balanced. The key is that the guilds need to balance each other out. Guilds determine map control and sometimes need to move to different campaigns for balance.

Exactly this. Disorganized factions become organized through the presence of organized guilds, right down to the solo acts and the new recruits of the alliance. I don't mean that everyone should just follow guilds around or regard their zone calls as direct imperatives, but I think it's unlikely that a faction in disarray could organize from within, over a short span of time, without cooperation from seasoned guilds that have been playing for a while.

Along with the increased probability of objective success, that cooperation might come in the form of explicit guidance, callouts, training, recruitment... or just the fact that the less organized population is able to look to that guild as an example, if they're hungry to play better and to get organized. Players can see what the guilds are doing, pay attention to their movements & timing, pick up on their strengths & weaknesses. I remember seeing groups like DiE, Alacrity, and Decibel in action; I saw what they were able to do, and I wanted to learn how to do it. You might learn just as much from fighting enemy groups of that caliber, but you need equivalents within your alliance, you need the other half of the circle.

Ash last night was a clusterwump, no doubt. It was chaotic, and epic in scope. It lasted a very long time. It remained a stalemate for a very long time-- It wasn't lopsided, there wasn't a definitive number advantage to serve as the tipping point, and either faction could have won. DC had two breaches down, and a group making efforts to open a third hole at the front. There were seasoned DC players in the courtyard, small groups and solo artists, they were fighting well on the walls and in the towers. There were a lot of disorganized AD defenders, and a lot of disorganized DC attackers. Rows of AD siege on the inside, rows of DC siege on the outside. A stalemate until the end! It was immensely difficult to break through the blue siege line, and our first attempts failed. The take-home lesson from that fight isn't that we have enough people, or you have enough people; the message is that organization makes the difference, and it won't spontaneously occur.

AD on TF doesn't need more raw numbers. Correct. Nobody needs more raw numbers, and nobody's going to get them. Like Crispen said, TF is poplocked in primetime, for everyone. AD needs organization, and they need the veteran guilds.

Yes, the more recently-formed guilds will learn and improve, pugs will become organized, people will start new guilds, older groups will return from hibernation; all of that will happen eventually, but not automatically. AD needs direct and indirect help, at the moment, from organized guilds. And AD is getting it.

ataggs

Preach it JW!

Vitaely

heystreethawk wrote: »

AD on TF doesn't need more raw numbers. Correct. Nobody needs more raw numbers, and nobody's going to get them. Like Crispen said, TF is poplocked in primetime, for everyone. AD needs organization, and they need the veteran guilds.

Yes, the more recently-formed guilds will learn and improve, pugs will become organized, people will start new guilds, older groups will return from hibernation; all of that will happen eventually, but not automatically. AD needs direct and indirect help, at the moment, from organized guilds. And AD is getting it.

Pchela

heystreethawk wrote: »

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Right now both DC and EP are very beatable on TF, and AD don't need help from the Haderus AD. What AD needs is the same thing Dc needed the last 2 cycles, get organized and play the map smartly.

AD seemed to have a very large defense at Ash last night, so they can muster numbers when they choose to.

I agree that AD needs organization instead of raw additional numbers, but you know it's not possible to add raw additional numbers during primetime. Everyone is locked. What is possible, what is happening, is that organized guilds begin lining up at queue position 8, instead of 16 separate and ungrouped entities. From my experience, it takes a long time for any group of players (with the exception of supergroups pooled together from old guilds) to transition to the status of what we'd call organized, and that just can't happen in a vacuum! There needs to be a little more structure in place, y'know? Lemme hearken back to Crispen's excellent point real quick:

Crispen_Longbow wrote: »

When all 3 factions on TF are locked it matters what guilds are locked in with their factions. If the EP/AD guilds replace the random solo players with guild players, the map actually becomes balanced. The key is that the guilds need to balance each other out. Guilds determine map control and sometimes need to move to different campaigns for balance.

Exactly this. Disorganized factions become organized through the presence of organized guilds, right down to the solo acts and the new recruits of the alliance. I don't mean that everyone should just follow guilds around or regard their zone calls as direct imperatives, but I think it's unlikely that a faction in disarray could organize from within, over a short span of time, without cooperation from seasoned guilds that have been playing for a while.

Along with the increased probability of objective success, that cooperation might come in the form of explicit guidance, callouts, training, recruitment... or just the fact that the less organized population is able to look to that guild as an example, if they're hungry to play better and to get organized. Players can see what the guilds are doing, pay attention to their movements & timing, pick up on their strengths & weaknesses. I remember seeing groups like DiE, Alacrity, and Decibel in action; I saw what they were able to do, and I wanted to learn how to do it. You might learn just as much from fighting enemy groups of that caliber, but you need equivalents within your alliance, you need the other half of the circle.

Ash last night was a clusterwump, no doubt. It was chaotic, and epic in scope. It lasted a very long time. It remained a stalemate for a very long time-- It wasn't lopsided, there wasn't a definitive number advantage to serve as the tipping point, and either faction could have won. DC had two breaches down, and a group making efforts to open a third hole at the front. There were seasoned DC players in the courtyard, small groups and solo artists, they were fighting well on the walls and in the towers. There were a lot of disorganized AD defenders, and a lot of disorganized DC attackers. Rows of AD siege on the inside, rows of DC siege on the outside. A stalemate until the end! It was immensely difficult to break through the blue siege line, and our first attempts failed. The take-home lesson from that fight isn't that we have enough people, or you have enough people; the message is that organization makes the difference, and it won't spontaneously occur.

AD on TF doesn't need more raw numbers. Correct. Nobody needs more raw numbers, and nobody's going to get them. Like Crispen said, TF is poplocked in primetime, for everyone. AD needs organization, and they need the veteran guilds.

Yes, the more recently-formed guilds will learn and improve, pugs will become organized, people will start new guilds, older groups will return from hibernation; all of that will happen eventually, but not automatically. AD needs direct and indirect help, at the moment, from organized guilds. And AD is getting it.

I'm not even AD and this applies to all factions. Very, very well put.

dashima

*Still waiting patiently for Venatus to come out of hibernation*

Bandit1215

I love how this turned from an AD PvP recruitment thread, to an everyone hating on AD cause they are ***, not that they have low numbers.

NACtron

heystreethawk wrote: »

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Right now both DC and EP are very beatable on TF, and AD don't need help from the Haderus AD. What AD needs is the same thing Dc needed the last 2 cycles, get organized and play the map smartly.

AD seemed to have a very large defense at Ash last night, so they can muster numbers when they choose to.

I agree that AD needs organization instead of raw additional numbers, but you know it's not possible to add raw additional numbers during primetime. Everyone is locked. What is possible, what is happening, is that organized guilds begin lining up at queue position 8, instead of 16 separate and ungrouped entities. From my experience, it takes a long time for any group of players (with the exception of supergroups pooled together from old guilds) to transition to the status of what we'd call organized, and that just can't happen in a vacuum! There needs to be a little more structure in place, y'know? Lemme hearken back to Crispen's excellent point real quick:

Crispen_Longbow wrote: »

When all 3 factions on TF are locked it matters what guilds are locked in with their factions. If the EP/AD guilds replace the random solo players with guild players, the map actually becomes balanced. The key is that the guilds need to balance each other out. Guilds determine map control and sometimes need to move to different campaigns for balance.

Exactly this. Disorganized factions become organized through the presence of organized guilds, right down to the solo acts and the new recruits of the alliance. I don't mean that everyone should just follow guilds around or regard their zone calls as direct imperatives, but I think it's unlikely that a faction in disarray could organize from within, over a short span of time, without cooperation from seasoned guilds that have been playing for a while.

Along with the increased probability of objective success, that cooperation might come in the form of explicit guidance, callouts, training, recruitment... or just the fact that the less organized population is able to look to that guild as an example, if they're hungry to play better and to get organized. Players can see what the guilds are doing, pay attention to their movements & timing, pick up on their strengths & weaknesses. I remember seeing groups like DiE, Alacrity, and Decibel in action; I saw what they were able to do, and I wanted to learn how to do it. You might learn just as much from fighting enemy groups of that caliber, but you need equivalents within your alliance, you need the other half of the circle.

Ash last night was a clusterwump, no doubt. It was chaotic, and epic in scope. It lasted a very long time. It remained a stalemate for a very long time-- It wasn't lopsided, there wasn't a definitive number advantage to serve as the tipping point, and either faction could have won. DC had two breaches down, and a group making efforts to open a third hole at the front. There were seasoned DC players in the courtyard, small groups and solo artists, they were fighting well on the walls and in the towers. There were a lot of disorganized AD defenders, and a lot of disorganized DC attackers. Rows of AD siege on the inside, rows of DC siege on the outside. A stalemate until the end! It was immensely difficult to break through the blue siege line, and our first attempts failed. The take-home lesson from that fight isn't that we have enough people, or you have enough people; the message is that organization makes the difference, and it won't spontaneously occur.

AD on TF doesn't need more raw numbers. Correct. Nobody needs more raw numbers, and nobody's going to get them. Like Crispen said, TF is poplocked in primetime, for everyone. AD needs organization, and they need the veteran guilds.

Yes, the more recently-formed guilds will learn and improve, pugs will become organized, people will start new guilds, older groups will return from hibernation; all of that will happen eventually, but not automatically. AD needs direct and indirect help, at the moment, from organized guilds. And AD is getting it.

Well said. If you look at DC right now they have the largest amount of organized guilds in TF. They are winning at the moment. No side will ever out number the other side in terms of overall numbers in the campaign but you can get outnumbered in terms of organized players.

So many people on EP have been saying "Look how large the DC zerg is" When really we equal their numbers. It's just the intimidation and power of several organized guilds in one area.

I've noticed DC guilds like BoD have also improved. We had a really crazy fight with them at dragon last night.

If EP wants to keep up players need to listen to leader of guilds who are trying to coordinate map control and wise players like Agrippa and Attunes.