Calling all AD back to TF

God_flakes

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@God_flakes just want to say this is some quality psy-ops you got going here

Guys... Guys! What do I do? They've got me all confused - I can't take it!

Should I stay on Haderus? Should I help on Trueflame?

I don't know.... I'm not sure... brain is ... failing.

At this point I think the most strategic thing for AD to do is Zerg BWB but only to make sure the banks of the water near the Allessia bridge are free of mud crabs. Our lowbies will level so much faster and help the war effort if they don't get pinched so much by crustaceans! I will be the point of the spear! I will save all AD from certain mud crabstruction!

Aaaahhh!!!

I'm just so confounded. They're all fleeing cuz they're unable to find fights and yet they.....LOST. And then come here and claim they actually WON because DC's win doesn't count because it was due to low pop.


Like WUT?

dashima

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I also want to add that Haderus has been a small man's server for a long time. It's kinda been an unspoken thing there. It is so dang amusing that the zergiest guilds PM and Fantasia and Hagnado can't seem to compete there even with their insane numbers and Zerg mentality so they are deciding to bring their cookies back to TF where they can all happily Zerg to their heart's content.

Ummm okay.

PM runs two raids of 12-24.
Fantasia runs 12-24. Hagnado runs 8-16.

They competed. It was fun for maybe like 1 or 2 days and then it got boring and stale on a map with very little else to do. You're right, it's a small man map so its boring for guilds looking for good, outnumbered fights and that's why they're all leaving. Curious to know what you think about DC TF guilds then because they have 6 groups there that run 12-24+ and 2-3 more that run 6-18.

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AD numbers are fine on TF. L2p.

They are fine if you are a lazy player on a different faction who prefers easy mode to fair fights...or do you just emote?

Do not bother with the opinions of other factions . AD needs help on TF is true . I see the score . May @Telel and COH could put some effort back there . Looks like Fantasia is going to . Not a lot of time left to get score up though . Maybe second place if a couple guilds rally back .

They are behind in score because of stupid play, not because of being outnumbered.

Ssshh Skyy, truth is irrelevant! They're losing because the other faction's players are lazy!

*Typical AD mentality: can't win on a balanced server, can't handle not winning, so come on guize lets slam the server with hundreds more players! Surely we can get our winz then!!!*

AD, generally, I have better fights with. Some may melt but a bigger margin of them have their build sorted out.

EP on the otherhand, sends full raids to glade/ales and is still in second place. Save for a couple of hard hitters and their fellow brethren, the ratio of manpower superiority is 1:4.

DC's weakness is breaches. We really can't learn how to enter them as soloist pugs lol.

I agree and I'm really not sure what she's expecting. Is she expecting Haderus Ad to abandon that campaign (causing imbalance there) to come to TF and cause imbalance there?

Okay so here's the issue with this. Fantasia, CoH and Hagnado ran raids the past few weeks in Haderus.
During primetime while guilds were on, AD easily took back the whole map, most keeps would turn yellow or mostly yellow, we'd get emperorship, etc. Unless Nikolai was online with a sizable group, there were really few satisfying fights. Even while EP was poplocked, few truly large EP groups were to be seen??? It was just a lot of bad pugs and it was really weird lol.

And then after primetime, the map would go red all the way back to the scroll temples, and the process would repeat. In my opinion, after playing in Had for a good 2-3 weeks, Had does not need multiple organized groups and/or large raid groups.

In other words, once PM and the other large TF EP groups in Haderus move out, there is no reason for the AD ones to stay either. Guilds like this are OP on Had because there's much less resistance than you would see on TF and it's unbelievably easy to do things like... cap every single keep with a single guild. lol.

Yeah I'm not buying this. DC won the last campaign. Sounds like ya'll are leaving cuz you got beat down.

In Haddy? EP has won the last three camapigns in haddy uncontested. DC was only beating AD due to a insane several day low pop bonus.

Then I'm being given false info? I was told DC won the last campaign.

I'm 90% certain EP got first but I spent a lot of time in the last haddy campaign in TF so I could be wrong.

I'm being told DC is consistently winning there. So you are all leaving cuz you can't get your winz with insane numbers so the plan is for ad and Ep to re-slam TF with your stupid insane numbers and win with zerging again. As if TF isn't zergville already. Fabulous. Just fabulous.

If by winning you mean, killing dumbminion siegers as they try to fight against the vastly more numerous griffs, who usually had an emperor backing them up...then yes, yes they were winning.

Winning so hard that apparently some of the bloops felt they didn't even need to kill certain opponents and just let them go free. This one assumes out of pity for one faction, and the knowledge that the outnumbered one was definitely way more of a challenge to kill while they were otherwise occupied.

And then after they were done being winners, and there was time to give them proper fuzzy hugs, they'd vanish back into the stinky places until they felt that they needed to 'win' some more.

Astanphaeus

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AD numbers are fine on TF. L2p.

They are fine if you are a lazy player on a different faction who prefers easy mode to fair fights...or do you just emote?

Do not bother with the opinions of other factions . AD needs help on TF is true . I see the score . May @Telel and COH could put some effort back there . Looks like Fantasia is going to . Not a lot of time left to get score up though . Maybe second place if a couple guilds rally back .

They are behind in score because of stupid play, not because of being outnumbered.

Ssshh Skyy, truth is irrelevant! They're losing because the other faction's players are lazy!

*Typical AD mentality: can't win on a balanced server, can't handle not winning, so come on guize lets slam the server with hundreds more players! Surely we can get our winz then!!!*

AD, generally, I have better fights with. Some may melt but a bigger margin of them have their build sorted out.

EP on the otherhand, sends full raids to glade/ales and is still in second place. Save for a couple of hard hitters and their fellow brethren, the ratio of manpower superiority is 1:4.

DC's weakness is breaches. We really can't learn how to enter them as soloist pugs lol.

I agree and I'm really not sure what she's expecting. Is she expecting Haderus Ad to abandon that campaign (causing imbalance there) to come to TF and cause imbalance there?

Okay so here's the issue with this. Fantasia, CoH and Hagnado ran raids the past few weeks in Haderus.
During primetime while guilds were on, AD easily took back the whole map, most keeps would turn yellow or mostly yellow, we'd get emperorship, etc. Unless Nikolai was online with a sizable group, there were really few satisfying fights. Even while EP was poplocked, few truly large EP groups were to be seen??? It was just a lot of bad pugs and it was really weird lol.

And then after primetime, the map would go red all the way back to the scroll temples, and the process would repeat. In my opinion, after playing in Had for a good 2-3 weeks, Had does not need multiple organized groups and/or large raid groups.

In other words, once PM and the other large TF EP groups in Haderus move out, there is no reason for the AD ones to stay either. Guilds like this are OP on Had because there's much less resistance than you would see on TF and it's unbelievably easy to do things like... cap every single keep with a single guild. lol.

Yeah I'm not buying this. DC won the last campaign. Sounds like ya'll are leaving cuz you got beat down.

In Haddy? EP has won the last three camapigns in haddy uncontested. DC was only beating AD due to a insane several day low pop bonus.

Then I'm being given false info? I was told DC won the last campaign.

Nah, EP won all of the however many campaigns we were there for. Admittedly I didn't check the final results of the last campaign as it ended at like 8am, but when I checked at 11 hours out, there ere more than 2000 points between EP and DC with EP in the lead for eval. Unless they got a low pop bonus in those last 10 hours and then took everything, they definitely didn't win.

dashima

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AD numbers are fine on TF. L2p.

They are fine if you are a lazy player on a different faction who prefers easy mode to fair fights...or do you just emote?

Do not bother with the opinions of other factions . AD needs help on TF is true . I see the score . May @Telel and COH could put some effort back there . Looks like Fantasia is going to . Not a lot of time left to get score up though . Maybe second place if a couple guilds rally back .

They are behind in score because of stupid play, not because of being outnumbered.

Ssshh Skyy, truth is irrelevant! They're losing because the other faction's players are lazy!

*Typical AD mentality: can't win on a balanced server, can't handle not winning, so come on guize lets slam the server with hundreds more players! Surely we can get our winz then!!!*

AD, generally, I have better fights with. Some may melt but a bigger margin of them have their build sorted out.

EP on the otherhand, sends full raids to glade/ales and is still in second place. Save for a couple of hard hitters and their fellow brethren, the ratio of manpower superiority is 1:4.

DC's weakness is breaches. We really can't learn how to enter them as soloist pugs lol.

I agree and I'm really not sure what she's expecting. Is she expecting Haderus Ad to abandon that campaign (causing imbalance there) to come to TF and cause imbalance there?

Is Haderus balanced? I haven't been so I don't know.

It certainly doesn't have a plethora of ad there. So your call for more on TF will undoubtedly bleed more from that campaign. I can't speak to Azura's as I never go there. Perhaps someone else's can comment on that campaign. But I disagree with you that TF doesn't have enough Ad bodies. They might not be organized but asking for more ad to flood the server and win only by flooding the server will not encourage those ad to get organized and get better.

I agree flooding the server does no good, but those that left for Haderus were organized guild groups. We need that influence on TF. We have started organizing but it is hard to compete with DC and EP groups s that have played together for a long period of time.

How many AD guilds are there currently on TF?

At the moment Dominion Knights and RAM (if they're still running regularly?) and idk if there are any other regular guilds running much anymore.

Venatus is on hiatus, Arcane retired, but Fantasia and Hag should be returning from Haderus soon.
When Venatus goes back into action next update, we should have a good 4-5 guilds on AD TF.

Why, though? Why are Fantasia and Hag abandoning Haderus?

I'm not gonna speak for either guild but the general gist of it is:
There was nothing for us there. The fights are boring/not enough action/not enough zergs to farm/oh god its telel/i miss trueflame ap.

Something like that.

I know the DC guilds on Haderus and know them well. Many have gotten emp in the last two weeks. They don't seem to be having a problem finding fights and making ap and getting legendary rewards at the end of the 7 days.

1) Those DC nightcapped empship (literally waited until AD guilds logged off because they failed the first time).

2) AD only came in last place because of DC's low pop bonus. And because of the EP that PvDoored every single keep while no one was online.

3) You barely need 200k ap to get a legendary reward in Haderus. I got gold rewards for just breathing.

Ummmmm LoM does NOT nightcap and wait for AD to log!!! Such lies from you! They're on primetime because I am in their guild and see the battle calls go out from about 5pm to midnight!


And what's this scuttlebut I am hearing about some "data mine exploit"? Looks like I need to go undercover again @rfennell_ESO.

I was there when they attempted to backcap emperorship and was whispering w the emp later and he admits to having to cap it after AD logged because they were unable to till then. I can go find the whisper log if you'd like. But that might be embarrassing for whatever guild LoM is so idk. Lol.

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I also want to add that Haderus has been a small man's server for a long time. It's kinda been an unspoken thing there. It is so dang amusing that the zergiest guilds PM and Fantasia and Hagnado can't seem to compete there even with their insane numbers and Zerg mentality so they are deciding to bring their cookies back to TF where they can all happily Zerg to their heart's content.

Ummm okay.

PM runs two raids of 12-24.
Fantasia runs 12-24. Hagnado runs 8-16.

They competed. It was fun for maybe like 1 or 2 days and then it got boring and stale on a map with very little else to do. You're right, it's a small man map so its boring for guilds looking for good, outnumbered fights and that's why they're all leaving. Curious to know what you think about DC TF guilds then because they have 6 groups there that run 12-24+ and 2-3 more that run 6-18.

The only guild I run with from time to time is Bones's group because I think he's very clever and has brilliant new ideas for pvp approach. Normally I am duo or solo till my duo partners log on. I think DC guilds have had to get that big to compete with the bloated AD and EP guilds. I think TF finally has some nice balance. I think you all coming back will make it a hell hole again. Stay on Haderus and try to make it more competitive. Don't give up so easily. Don't take the easy way out and just claim DC won because they had low pop. That's crap and you know it. Break up your teams and run smaller man even if you stay in ts together. There is no hard and fast rule that says if you have 24 people in your guild all wanting to pvp that you all have to run stacked on top of one another looking for other groups of 24 to fight. Break apart and go find smaller fights-the benefit of this is it makes you stronger as individuals so that on heavy guild v guild nights your zerg will come out on top in z-v-z fights.

ataggs

@Rohamad_Ali thank you! You did not disappoint!!!!

NACtron

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AD numbers are fine on TF. L2p.

They are fine if you are a lazy player on a different faction who prefers easy mode to fair fights...or do you just emote?

Do not bother with the opinions of other factions . AD needs help on TF is true . I see the score . May @Telel and COH could put some effort back there . Looks like Fantasia is going to . Not a lot of time left to get score up though . Maybe second place if a couple guilds rally back .

They are behind in score because of stupid play, not because of being outnumbered.

Ssshh Skyy, truth is irrelevant! They're losing because the other faction's players are lazy!

*Typical AD mentality: can't win on a balanced server, can't handle not winning, so come on guize lets slam the server with hundreds more players! Surely we can get our winz then!!!*

AD, generally, I have better fights with. Some may melt but a bigger margin of them have their build sorted out.

EP on the otherhand, sends full raids to glade/ales and is still in second place. Save for a couple of hard hitters and their fellow brethren, the ratio of manpower superiority is 1:4.

DC's weakness is breaches. We really can't learn how to enter them as soloist pugs lol.

I agree and I'm really not sure what she's expecting. Is she expecting Haderus Ad to abandon that campaign (causing imbalance there) to come to TF and cause imbalance there?

Okay so here's the issue with this. Fantasia, CoH and Hagnado ran raids the past few weeks in Haderus.
During primetime while guilds were on, AD easily took back the whole map, most keeps would turn yellow or mostly yellow, we'd get emperorship, etc. Unless Nikolai was online with a sizable group, there were really few satisfying fights. Even while EP was poplocked, few truly large EP groups were to be seen??? It was just a lot of bad pugs and it was really weird lol.

And then after primetime, the map would go red all the way back to the scroll temples, and the process would repeat. In my opinion, after playing in Had for a good 2-3 weeks, Had does not need multiple organized groups and/or large raid groups.

In other words, once PM and the other large TF EP groups in Haderus move out, there is no reason for the AD ones to stay either. Guilds like this are OP on Had because there's much less resistance than you would see on TF and it's unbelievably easy to do things like... cap every single keep with a single guild. lol.

Yeah I'm not buying this. DC won the last campaign. Sounds like ya'll are leaving cuz you got beat down.

In Haddy? EP has won the last three camapigns in haddy uncontested. DC was only beating AD due to a insane several day low pop bonus.

Then I'm being given false info? I was told DC won the last campaign.

I'm 90% certain EP got first but I spent a lot of time in the last haddy campaign in TF so I could be wrong.

I'm being told DC is consistently winning there. So you are all leaving cuz you can't get your winz with insane numbers so the plan is for ad and Ep to re-slam TF with your stupid insane numbers and win with zerging again. As if TF isn't zergville already. Fabulous. Just fabulous.

There nights when we focused DC would often result in us driving them to the gates. Heck one night we took Glade during primetime with the raid getting so lazy due to lack of competition we starting running around without weapons and armor. PvDooring keeps with one ram while we all stat there punching the wall until the ram brought it down.

DC sometimes would provide good fights. Legion of Mordor is one guild that put up a good fight from time to time but most of the time if we gave DC any attention they would collapse in on themselves.

Your source is flawed. EP certainly won at least the two out of three of the last campaigns. I am pretty sure we won the last one too. There was a lot of EP night capping going on though so when primetime came around we did not even worry about map Control. Instead we pretty much stayed south going Fantasia or Hagnado hunting around the Sej Drake area. Being on TF is interesting change of pace as we find ourselves mostly fighting up north now.

ataggs

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We sure are trying to hold our own in TF, but we are way out gunned. It looks like only the AD guilds didn't return from Had while all the DC and EP guilds returned in full force. We could have stacked every AD guild running and still wouldn't have had enough to not get steamrolled. We couldn't take Nikel, we couldn't take Sej, we couldn't hold resources...... everywhere we went we were met with double our numbers. Is there an ETA for a return of any AD from Had or any groups in Azura who are thinking of swapping campaigns...pretty please?

Edit: crappy spelling

I am curious, how do you feel when you can't take nik, Sej, or even hold resources? Is the game fun for you?

Some AD players told me to quit crying when I complained it was not fun, and they also said learn to fight and PvP is not for the weak. AD players also told me that they wish it was them there were out numbered all the time, they said they would love the challenge and the AP.

So tell me AD player how does it feel? I really would like to know how you feel when you can't do anything but die.

I might be reading this wrong, but it sounds angry. I don't know the context of your previous conversation but I would not have created the thread if I did not feel strongly. Maybe my perception is skewed, but last night felt like pre-VE AD.

dashima

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I also want to add that Haderus has been a small man's server for a long time. It's kinda been an unspoken thing there. It is so dang amusing that the zergiest guilds PM and Fantasia and Hagnado can't seem to compete there even with their insane numbers and Zerg mentality so they are deciding to bring their cookies back to TF where they can all happily Zerg to their heart's content.

Ummm okay.

PM runs two raids of 12-24.
Fantasia runs 12-24. Hagnado runs 8-16.

They competed. It was fun for maybe like 1 or 2 days and then it got boring and stale on a map with very little else to do. You're right, it's a small man map so its boring for guilds looking for good, outnumbered fights and that's why they're all leaving. Curious to know what you think about DC TF guilds then because they have 6 groups there that run 12-24+ and 2-3 more that run 6-18.

The only guild I run with from time to time is Bones's group because I think he's very clever and has brilliant new ideas for pvp approach. Normally I am duo or solo till my duo partners log on. I think DC guilds have had to get that big to compete with the bloated AD and EP guilds. I think TF finally has some nice balance. I think you all coming back will make it a hell hole again. Stay on Haderus and try to make it more competitive. Don't give up so easily. Don't take the easy way out and just claim DC won because they had low pop. That's crap and you know it. Break up your teams and run smaller man even if you stay in ts together. There is no hard and fast rule that says if you have 24 people in your guild all wanting to pvp that you all have to run stacked on top of one another looking for other groups of 24 to fight. Break apart and go find smaller fights-the benefit of this is it makes you stronger as individuals so that on heavy guild v guild nights your zerg will come out on top in z-v-z fights.

Okay.

DC
Blood of Daggerfall (12-24)
Iron Legion (12-24+)
Pug Guild (12-24+)
The Kelly Gang (8-16)
Wormhole (24+ lol)
Requiem (12-24)
The K-Hole (8-16)
Daggerfall Pride (12-24)
etc (other nonregular, small groups like Elder Skills)

AD
Dominion Knights (12-24)
Venatus (8-16, on break)
Hagnado (8-16)
Fantasia (12-24, now returning from Haderus)
RAM (12-24, idk if they're still running)

EP
Darkest Requiem (8-16)
Pact Miliita (12-24+, now returning from Haderus)
Blood for the Pact (12-24, idk if they're still running)
Haxus (8-16)
LFG (12-24, idk if still running)
Invictus (12-24, on break)

Celas_Dranacea

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@God_flakes just want to say this is some quality psy-ops you got going here

Guys... Guys! What do I do? They've got me all confused - I can't take it!

Should I stay on Haderus? Should I help on Trueflame?

I don't know.... I'm not sure... brain is ... failing.

At this point I think the most strategic thing for AD to do is Zerg BWB but only to make sure the banks of the water near the Allessia bridge are free of mud crabs. Our lowbies will level so much faster and help the war effort if they don't get pinched so much by crustaceans! I will be the point of the spear! I will save all AD from certain mud crabstruction!

Aaaahhh!!!

I'm just so confounded. They're all fleeing cuz they're unable to find fights and yet they.....LOST. And then come here and claim they actually WON because DC's win doesn't count because it was due to low pop.


Like WUT?

You are absolutely right about everything you say ::drools with a vacant stare in his eyes because @God_flakes comments are so poignant that his tiny AD werewolf brain is overwhelmed::

::Spends the next 8 hours controlling mudcrab population on BWB::

In all seriousness though I agree with what @NACtron and @dashima have said earlier about the fights on Haderus just being really inconsistent, and the part about how it's a drag reclaiming your territory everyday because COH and other guilds don't have any control over what happens on the map in the middle of the night and early morning.

It's not that we can't do it - we've done it plenty of times over the past few weeks - but grinding back our home keeps at the start of the day's guild pvp is just kinda sucky. One day left a particularly bad taste in my mouth - a certain perennial emp continually harassed us when I was leading a small COH group comprised of mostly newer, lower CP guildies as we retook BM, BB, Fare, Allessia - just like, relentless trolling when AD has literally nothing on the map - Mind you each day we take back our *** - COH is no stranger to beating our heads against undesirable objectives - but the whole experience is just stupid to not have the population around the clock to hold territory.

At least for a short while this morning AD was in the lead on Haderus so yeah, these past 3 weeks I think have changed things maybe for the better - COH will continue to be homed there until the boss cat declares otherwise - maybe we'll stay there who knows - but we don't take it lightly when our allies call for help, hence the consideration. I also, you know, understand that Haderus is a place for solo / small scale which is another reason to leave that server for that type of gameplay.

BTW didn't you guys read the sign on the door to this thread? This is the AD super special club house. Why don't you guys who can't play friendly go lay your evil plots elsewhere?

NACtron

@Dashima I like your list. Let me flesh it out a bit more if you don't mind. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

DC TF
Blood of Daggerfall (12-24)
Iron Legion (12-24+)
Pug Guild (12-24+)
The Kelly Gang (8-16)
Wormhole (24+ lol)
The K-Hole (8-16)
Daggerfall Pride (12-24)
etc (other nonregular, small groups like Elder Skills)

DC Haderus:
Legion of Mordor (8-16)
Requiem (12-24)(weekends only)

AD TF
Dominion Knights (12-24)
Fantasia (12-24, now returning from Haderus)
Rekt less (8-16)
RAM (12-24, idk if they're still running)
Hagnado (8-16)

AD Haderus
Children of Hircine (8-24)

EP TF
Pact Miliita (16-24+, now returning from Haderus)
Blood for the Pact (12-16)
Haxus (8-16)
LFG (12-16)
Raven and the Rose (8-16)(now returning from Haderus)
Phoenix Rising (12-24)
Cat Six (2-6)
SOTP (4-16)

EP Haderus:
Darkest Requiem (8-16)(just moved away from TF)
There is a couple others but unknown size and activity

dashima

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@Dashima I like your list. Let me flesh it out a bit more if you don't mind. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

DC TF
Blood of Daggerfall (12-24)
Iron Legion (12-24+)
Pug Guild (12-24+)
The Kelly Gang (8-16)
Wormhole (24+ lol)
Requiem (12-24)
The K-Hole (8-16)
Daggerfall Pride (12-24)
etc (other nonregular, small groups like Elder Skills)

DC Haderus:
Legion of Mordor: 8-16

AD TF
Dominion Knights (12-24)
Fantasia (12-24, now returning from Haderus)
RAM (12-24, idk if they're still running)

AD Haderus
Hagnado (8-16)
Children of Hircine (8-24)

EP TF
Pact Miliita (16-24+, now returning from Haderus)
Blood for the Pact (12-16)
Haxus (8-16)
LFG (12-16)
Raven and the Rose (8-16)(now returning from Haderus)
Phoenix Rising (12-24)
Cat Six (2-6)
SOTP (4-16)

EP Haderus:
Darkest Requiem (8-16)(just moved away from TF)
There is a couple others but unknown size and activity

Lol and here I thought EP was smallscale for once!!!!
Hagnado is mostly TF though and should be moved back into the TF list.

ataggs

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@Dashima I like your list. Let me flesh it out a bit more if you don't mind. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

DC TF
Blood of Daggerfall (12-24)
Iron Legion (12-24+)
Pug Guild (12-24+)
The Kelly Gang (8-16)
Wormhole (24+ lol)
The K-Hole (8-16)
Daggerfall Pride (12-24)
etc (other nonregular, small groups like Elder Skills)

DC Haderus:
Legion of Mordor (8-16)
Requiem (12-24)(weekends only)

AD TF
Dominion Knights (12-24)
Fantasia (12-24, now returning from Haderus)
RAM (12-24, idk if they're still running)

AD Haderus
Hagnado (8-16)
Children of Hircine (8-24)

EP TF
Pact Miliita (16-24+, now returning from Haderus)
Blood for the Pact (12-16)
Haxus (8-16)
LFG (12-16)
Raven and the Rose (8-16)(now returning from Haderus)
Phoenix Rising (12-24)
Cat Six (2-6)
SOTP (4-16)

EP Haderus:
Darkest Requiem (8-16)(just moved away from TF)
There is a couple others but unknown size and activity

Mine is Rekt Less usually 8-16 nightly AD on TF. Fate runs as well not sure of their typical group size

Telel

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God_flakes wrote: »

I also want to add that Haderus has been a small man's server for a long time. It's kinda been an unspoken thing there. It is so dang amusing that the zergiest guilds PM and Fantasia and Hagnado can't seem to compete there even with their insane numbers and Zerg mentality so they are deciding to bring their cookies back to TF where they can all happily Zerg to their heart's content.

Ummm okay.

PM runs two raids of 12-24.
Fantasia runs 12-24. Hagnado runs 8-16.

They competed. It was fun for maybe like 1 or 2 days and then it got boring and stale on a map with very little else to do. You're right, it's a small man map so its boring for guilds looking for good, outnumbered fights and that's why they're all leaving. Curious to know what you think about DC TF guilds then because they have 6 groups there that run 12-24+ and 2-3 more that run 6-18.

The only guild I run with from time to time is Bones's group because I think he's very clever and has brilliant new ideas for pvp approach. Normally I am duo or solo till my duo partners log on. I think DC guilds have had to get that big to compete with the bloated AD and EP guilds. I think TF finally has some nice balance. I think you all coming back will make it a hell hole again. Stay on Haderus and try to make it more competitive. Don't give up so easily. Don't take the easy way out and just claim DC won because they had low pop. That's crap and you know it. Break up your teams and run smaller man even if you stay in ts together. There is no hard and fast rule that says if you have 24 people in your guild all wanting to pvp that you all have to run stacked on top of one another looking for other groups of 24 to fight. Break apart and go find smaller fights-the benefit of this is it makes you stronger as individuals so that on heavy guild v guild nights your zerg will come out on top in z-v-z fights.

Whenever people tell khajiit how they should be leading groups this one has but one reply.

Come lead them for me, and this one will happily give you some of their pups.

More specifically they will give you the randoms spamming LFG in zone that a humble and bad player seomtimes tries to bring up to speed while 'the good' ones who are better than Telel do...things that involve only themselves.

OItherwise this one must regretfully inform you that they are disinclined to acquiesce to your request.

Means no.

dashima

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@Dashima I like your list. Let me flesh it out a bit more if you don't mind. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

DC TF
Blood of Daggerfall (12-24)
Iron Legion (12-24+)
Pug Guild (12-24+)
The Kelly Gang (8-16)
Wormhole (24+ lol)
The K-Hole (8-16)
Daggerfall Pride (12-24)
etc (other nonregular, small groups like Elder Skills)

DC Haderus:
Legion of Mordor (8-16)
Requiem (12-24)(weekends only)

AD TF
Dominion Knights (12-24)
Fantasia (12-24, now returning from Haderus)
RAM (12-24, idk if they're still running)

AD Haderus
Hagnado (8-16)
Children of Hircine (8-24)

EP TF
Pact Miliita (16-24+, now returning from Haderus)
Blood for the Pact (12-16)
Haxus (8-16)
LFG (12-16)
Raven and the Rose (8-16)(now returning from Haderus)
Phoenix Rising (12-24)
Cat Six (2-6)
SOTP (4-16)

EP Haderus:
Darkest Requiem (8-16)(just moved away from TF)
There is a couple others but unknown size and activity

Mine is Rekt Less usually 8-16 nightly AD on TF. Fate runs as well not sure of their typical group size

Fate is a zone call for grade-A farmable non-ts pugs but I don't know if they actually have a guild, unlike the pugs on other alliances (Shadowgrabber + PUG Guild for example). I don't see a lot of those zone calls but idk, I may have selective memory loss on anything related to NML and Iskra says because I enjoy a happy, casual PvP experience.

Rohamad_Ali

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God_flakes wrote: »

dashima wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

I also want to add that Haderus has been a small man's server for a long time. It's kinda been an unspoken thing there. It is so dang amusing that the zergiest guilds PM and Fantasia and Hagnado can't seem to compete there even with their insane numbers and Zerg mentality so they are deciding to bring their cookies back to TF where they can all happily Zerg to their heart's content.

Ummm okay.

PM runs two raids of 12-24.
Fantasia runs 12-24. Hagnado runs 8-16.

They competed. It was fun for maybe like 1 or 2 days and then it got boring and stale on a map with very little else to do. You're right, it's a small man map so its boring for guilds looking for good, outnumbered fights and that's why they're all leaving. Curious to know what you think about DC TF guilds then because they have 6 groups there that run 12-24+ and 2-3 more that run 6-18.

The only guild I run with from time to time is Bones's group because I think he's very clever and has brilliant new ideas for pvp approach. Normally I am duo or solo till my duo partners log on. I think DC guilds have had to get that big to compete with the bloated AD and EP guilds. I think TF finally has some nice balance. I think you all coming back will make it a hell hole again. Stay on Haderus and try to make it more competitive. Don't give up so easily. Don't take the easy way out and just claim DC won because they had low pop. That's crap and you know it. Break up your teams and run smaller man even if you stay in ts together. There is no hard and fast rule that says if you have 24 people in your guild all wanting to pvp that you all have to run stacked on top of one another looking for other groups of 24 to fight. Break apart and go find smaller fights-the benefit of this is it makes you stronger as individuals so that on heavy guild v guild nights your zerg will come out on top in z-v-z fights.

Whenever people tell khajiit how they should be leading groups this one has but one reply.

Come lead them for me, and this one will happily give you some of their pups.

More specifically they will give you the randoms spamming LFG in zone that a humble and bad player seomtimes tries to bring up to speed while 'the good' ones who are better than Telel do...things that involve only themselves.

OItherwise this one must regretfully inform you that they are disinclined to acquiesce to your request.

Means no.

Serjustin19

Try not to laugh. I finaly finished downloading the whole game for pc. The NA server. Was so happy to help since I do have AD level 10. So clicked on NA. Game started to load. Game finished loading. No characters.

I then reliezed my AD level 10 is on EU server. Instead of NA. (Gosh it been ages since I last played on PC.) Forgive me for I can't help right now. But I will make new character for AD for NA. Again sorry for the mixup.

NACtron

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Try not to laugh. I finaly finished downloading the whole game for pc. The NA server. Was so happy to help since I do have AD level 10. So clicked on NA. Game started to load. Game finished loading. No characters.

I then reliezed my AD level 10 is on EU server. Instead of NA. (Gosh it been ages since I last played on PC.) Forgive me for I can't help right now. But I will make new character for AD for NA. Again sorry for the mixup.

Now is a good chance to correct your mistake of not choosing the glorious Ebonheart Pact as your faction

God_flakes

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God_flakes wrote: »

dashima wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

I also want to add that Haderus has been a small man's server for a long time. It's kinda been an unspoken thing there. It is so dang amusing that the zergiest guilds PM and Fantasia and Hagnado can't seem to compete there even with their insane numbers and Zerg mentality so they are deciding to bring their cookies back to TF where they can all happily Zerg to their heart's content.

Ummm okay.

PM runs two raids of 12-24.
Fantasia runs 12-24. Hagnado runs 8-16.

They competed. It was fun for maybe like 1 or 2 days and then it got boring and stale on a map with very little else to do. You're right, it's a small man map so its boring for guilds looking for good, outnumbered fights and that's why they're all leaving. Curious to know what you think about DC TF guilds then because they have 6 groups there that run 12-24+ and 2-3 more that run 6-18.

The only guild I run with from time to time is Bones's group because I think he's very clever and has brilliant new ideas for pvp approach. Normally I am duo or solo till my duo partners log on. I think DC guilds have had to get that big to compete with the bloated AD and EP guilds. I think TF finally has some nice balance. I think you all coming back will make it a hell hole again. Stay on Haderus and try to make it more competitive. Don't give up so easily. Don't take the easy way out and just claim DC won because they had low pop. That's crap and you know it. Break up your teams and run smaller man even if you stay in ts together. There is no hard and fast rule that says if you have 24 people in your guild all wanting to pvp that you all have to run stacked on top of one another looking for other groups of 24 to fight. Break apart and go find smaller fights-the benefit of this is it makes you stronger as individuals so that on heavy guild v guild nights your zerg will come out on top in z-v-z fights.

Whenever people tell khajiit how they should be leading groups this one has but one reply.

Come lead them for me, and this one will happily give you some of their pups.

More specifically they will give you the randoms spamming LFG in zone that a humble and bad player seomtimes tries to bring up to speed while 'the good' ones who are better than Telel do...things that involve only themselves.

OItherwise this one must regretfully inform you that they are disinclined to acquiesce to your request.

Means no.

Your "pups" couldn't handle Jauriel.

God_flakes

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Minno wrote: »

ataggs wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

ataggs wrote: »

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Skyy wrote: »

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AD numbers are fine on TF. L2p.

They are fine if you are a lazy player on a different faction who prefers easy mode to fair fights...or do you just emote?

Do not bother with the opinions of other factions . AD needs help on TF is true . I see the score . May @Telel and COH could put some effort back there . Looks like Fantasia is going to . Not a lot of time left to get score up though . Maybe second place if a couple guilds rally back .

They are behind in score because of stupid play, not because of being outnumbered.

Ssshh Skyy, truth is irrelevant! They're losing because the other faction's players are lazy!

*Typical AD mentality: can't win on a balanced server, can't handle not winning, so come on guize lets slam the server with hundreds more players! Surely we can get our winz then!!!*

AD, generally, I have better fights with. Some may melt but a bigger margin of them have their build sorted out.

EP on the otherhand, sends full raids to glade/ales and is still in second place. Save for a couple of hard hitters and their fellow brethren, the ratio of manpower superiority is 1:4.

DC's weakness is breaches. We really can't learn how to enter them as soloist pugs lol.

I agree and I'm really not sure what she's expecting. Is she expecting Haderus Ad to abandon that campaign (causing imbalance there) to come to TF and cause imbalance there?

Is Haderus balanced? I haven't been so I don't know.

It certainly doesn't have a plethora of ad there. So your call for more on TF will undoubtedly bleed more from that campaign. I can't speak to Azura's as I never go there. Perhaps someone else's can comment on that campaign. But I disagree with you that TF doesn't have enough Ad bodies. They might not be organized but asking for more ad to flood the server and win only by flooding the server will not encourage those ad to get organized and get better.

I agree flooding the server does no good, but those that left for Haderus were organized guild groups. We need that influence on TF. We have started organizing but it is hard to compete with DC and EP groups s that have played together for a long period of time.

How many AD guilds are there currently on TF?

At the moment Dominion Knights and RAM (if they're still running regularly?) and idk if there are any other regular guilds running much anymore.

Venatus is on hiatus, Arcane retired, but Fantasia and Hag should be returning from Haderus soon.
When Venatus goes back into action next update, we should have a good 4-5 guilds on AD TF.

Why, though? Why are Fantasia and Hag abandoning Haderus?

I'm not gonna speak for either guild but the general gist of it is:
There was nothing for us there. The fights are boring/not enough action/not enough zergs to farm/oh god its telel/i miss trueflame ap.

Something like that.

I know the DC guilds on Haderus and know them well. Many have gotten emp in the last two weeks. They don't seem to be having a problem finding fights and making ap and getting legendary rewards at the end of the 7 days.

1) Those DC nightcapped empship (literally waited until AD guilds logged off because they failed the first time).

2) AD only came in last place because of DC's low pop bonus. And because of the EP that PvDoored every single keep while no one was online.

3) You barely need 200k ap to get a legendary reward in Haderus. I got gold rewards for just breathing.

Ummmmm LoM does NOT nightcap and wait for AD to log!!! Such lies from you! They're on primetime because I am in their guild and see the battle calls go out from about 5pm to midnight!


And what's this scuttlebut I am hearing about some "data mine exploit"? Looks like I need to go undercover again @rfennell_ESO.

I was there when they attempted to backcap emperorship and was whispering w the emp later and he admits to having to cap it after AD logged because they were unable to till then. I can go find the whisper log if you'd like. But that might be embarrassing for whatever guild LoM is so idk. Lol.

Wait are you actually trying to tell me himagain or Pale Orc told you they were only able to crown emp after ad logged?

Daggerfall_Bones

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There were lots there but really in disarray lately. We finally pulled off and and wiped some EP. I think EP even had a plant in our group tonight and we wiped the floor with them at bleaks. AD wasn't on point tonight but EP was flat horrible at Bleaks around 9:45pm. Only decent groups I've seen lately is Haxus and Invictus.

Funny the amount of werewolf pelts my guild took home as trophies tonight told me differently. That being said Daggerfall Pride's werewolf heavy meta has thrown us off more than a couple times in the past week. It's an intimidating sight to see and a fun force to fight

Fair enough, our werewolf group is extremely fun and seems to be competitive with equal numbers. EP and AD come strong though when they had enough of the dog pound.

Telel

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Telel wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

dashima wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

I also want to add that Haderus has been a small man's server for a long time. It's kinda been an unspoken thing there. It is so dang amusing that the zergiest guilds PM and Fantasia and Hagnado can't seem to compete there even with their insane numbers and Zerg mentality so they are deciding to bring their cookies back to TF where they can all happily Zerg to their heart's content.

Ummm okay.

PM runs two raids of 12-24.
Fantasia runs 12-24. Hagnado runs 8-16.

They competed. It was fun for maybe like 1 or 2 days and then it got boring and stale on a map with very little else to do. You're right, it's a small man map so its boring for guilds looking for good, outnumbered fights and that's why they're all leaving. Curious to know what you think about DC TF guilds then because they have 6 groups there that run 12-24+ and 2-3 more that run 6-18.

The only guild I run with from time to time is Bones's group because I think he's very clever and has brilliant new ideas for pvp approach. Normally I am duo or solo till my duo partners log on. I think DC guilds have had to get that big to compete with the bloated AD and EP guilds. I think TF finally has some nice balance. I think you all coming back will make it a hell hole again. Stay on Haderus and try to make it more competitive. Don't give up so easily. Don't take the easy way out and just claim DC won because they had low pop. That's crap and you know it. Break up your teams and run smaller man even if you stay in ts together. There is no hard and fast rule that says if you have 24 people in your guild all wanting to pvp that you all have to run stacked on top of one another looking for other groups of 24 to fight. Break apart and go find smaller fights-the benefit of this is it makes you stronger as individuals so that on heavy guild v guild nights your zerg will come out on top in z-v-z fights.

Whenever people tell khajiit how they should be leading groups this one has but one reply.

Come lead them for me, and this one will happily give you some of their pups.

More specifically they will give you the randoms spamming LFG in zone that a humble and bad player seomtimes tries to bring up to speed while 'the good' ones who are better than Telel do...things that involve only themselves.

OItherwise this one must regretfully inform you that they are disinclined to acquiesce to your request.

Means no.

Your "pups" couldn't handle Jauriel.

That also means no.

But it also means 'no I can't do that because of hard things. So I'll just stay over here doing that thing with myself instead."

Oh, and khajiit just really really wanted to use that quote from that movie.

Lucky28

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Same in EP, especially during NA daytime is lack of organization on Ad and EP that is setting up bad maps for prime time. Today DC owned 4/6 emp keeps and most of EP and AD bridged it up for a good part of the day. Going to probably start running PUGS again to try and organize the herd and funnel them elsewhere. I myself am guilty of bridge time but being plowed down while trying to take bleakers or chal with a few is frustrating and when in Rome ...

Did learn that AD had a rough time with roe tonight due to DC camping it as well. It's same boat for us so i understand.

I do hope that the change to Porting out of outposts enables some different map play than the bee line to the next keep or resource on the compass.

Keep the chi and good fights up.

Yeah well. i think the majority of EP just want to PvP. they don't want to siege. though i do try and help out; just "fine Varen/Mala i'll leave the bridge "

Seriously tho. i don't care much for sieging when i'm not in a group.

yeh i getcha, i try to rally people up and prep keeps but after awhile i'll head back to the bridge. daytime ep not many strong guilds to take on what's over there, so i don't blame people for wanting to bridge party.

it can be frustrating as EP to see roebeck be blue but ad pushes and takes BRK. the common response is that they cant take on whats stacked in roe, so i understand how they feel.

silly craziness on all sides, madness of pvp, i love it.

I typically run in rather small groups when i play in the afternoons around 5-6 players. we can kick DC in the teeth at Bruma/open field. but taking keeps from a raid+ of DC is a bit much. we tried

though frustrating it is still fun times.

Ghostbane

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I also want to add that Haderus has been a small man's server for a long time. It's kinda been an unspoken thing there. It is so dang amusing that the zergiest guilds PM and Fantasia and Hagnado can't seem to compete there even with their insane numbers and Zerg mentality so they are deciding to bring their cookies back to TF where they can all happily Zerg to their heart's content.

Haderus has not been a small scale server in years.

Hag on a typical night has on average between 10 to 14 players (less than 90% of the groups that have ran in Haderus past few months)

On the 3 to 4 occasions Hag have actually been in Haderus, the prime focus has been against EP, as they at the time were the dominating presence on the map. DC being next to non existent. So the statement of our insane numbers and being able to compete is certainly a confusing one, even more so when you've actually included @NACtron and the lads in the same statement.

We should offer you a full time spot in guild, you seem to know more of our whereabouts and destinations than half of the team!

Beepbeep

It may have something to do with school returning? As soon as school was out, the long queues started [I am AD NA TF] for me [9/10PM EST]. Prior to that, I got into Cyrodil right away. During the summer, long queues. Now, no queues.

Playing at night EST has always been the same map regardless. AD sits and defends home keeps from both factions with some minor pushes - maintaining our home keeps, fighting for Sej/Nikel and sometimes getting Ash and BRK. I believe the main reason AD won any of the past campaigns was primarily because of the groups playing during non-prime time in America. I still don't have the shards on the DC side and only recently finished the ones on EP. We rarely got that far.

The one big difference right now is the increased number of AP farming guilds/groups. That could simply be a side effect of lower pops or guilds moving over from other servers, or both, dunno.

Daggerfall_Bones

This is all a continuous cycle. DC right now does have great organized groups that were mentioned and we actually work together sometimes but we haven't won a campaign since Chuck Norris and Vehemence moved on. This month is going well but I wouldn't count out a push by any of them other factions.

We do really well with Iron Legion and BoD on the board. Great to see that other DC guilds are out there. And for all the hell that Shadowgrabber catches he actually does a pretty good job. Things are just clicking for DC right now.

Hooooowwwwwwololololol

God_flakes

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I also want to add that Haderus has been a small man's server for a long time. It's kinda been an unspoken thing there. It is so dang amusing that the zergiest guilds PM and Fantasia and Hagnado can't seem to compete there even with their insane numbers and Zerg mentality so they are deciding to bring their cookies back to TF where they can all happily Zerg to their heart's content.

Haderus has not been a small scale server in years.

Hag on a typical night has on average between 10 to 14 players (less than 90% of the groups that have ran in Haderus past few months)

On the 3 to 4 occasions Hag have actually been in Haderus, the prime focus has been against EP, as they at the time were the dominating presence on the map. DC being next to non existent. So the statement of our insane numbers and being able to compete is certainly a confusing one, even more so when you've actually included @NACtron and the lads in the same statement.

We should offer you a full time spot in guild, you seem to know more of our whereabouts and destinations than half of the team!

I guess memories are short. It was only a few short weeks ago @Rickter was asking for more non-DC to come to Haderus because the claim was it was infested with DC. Now you're telling me every time you've been there (all of 3 or 4 times) DC were nowhere to be found?

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/284906/calling-all-non-dc-haderus/p1


And allow me to quote Jules..."DC on Had are out of control"


So which is it? Out of control or non-existent? Winning or losing? Winning cuz of low pop? Why can't I get a straight answer out of any of you?

Ghostbane

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God_flakes wrote: »

I also want to add that Haderus has been a small man's server for a long time. It's kinda been an unspoken thing there. It is so dang amusing that the zergiest guilds PM and Fantasia and Hagnado can't seem to compete there even with their insane numbers and Zerg mentality so they are deciding to bring their cookies back to TF where they can all happily Zerg to their heart's content.

Haderus has not been a small scale server in years.

Hag on a typical night has on average between 10 to 14 players (less than 90% of the groups that have ran in Haderus past few months)

On the 3 to 4 occasions Hag have actually been in Haderus, the prime focus has been against EP, as they at the time were the dominating presence on the map. DC being next to non existent. So the statement of our insane numbers and being able to compete is certainly a confusing one, even more so when you've actually included @NACtron and the lads in the same statement.

We should offer you a full time spot in guild, you seem to know more of our whereabouts and destinations than half of the team!

I guess memories are short. It was only a few short weeks ago @Rickter was asking for more non-DC to come to Haderus because the claim was it was infested with DC. Now you're telling me every time you've been there (all of 3 or 4 times) DC were nowhere to be found?

Correct, the majority of the map was red. With whatever representation of DC not being past Glade/Aleswell. Not that we went to check either, DC would have been on 2 bars or so, whilst EP would have been poplocked.

It maybe down to our raid nights being midweek too. The weekend maybe a different matter entirely, but you'll not have found a dedicated Hag group there.

God_flakes

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Ghostbane wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

I also want to add that Haderus has been a small man's server for a long time. It's kinda been an unspoken thing there. It is so dang amusing that the zergiest guilds PM and Fantasia and Hagnado can't seem to compete there even with their insane numbers and Zerg mentality so they are deciding to bring their cookies back to TF where they can all happily Zerg to their heart's content.

Haderus has not been a small scale server in years.

Hag on a typical night has on average between 10 to 14 players (less than 90% of the groups that have ran in Haderus past few months)

On the 3 to 4 occasions Hag have actually been in Haderus, the prime focus has been against EP, as they at the time were the dominating presence on the map. DC being next to non existent. So the statement of our insane numbers and being able to compete is certainly a confusing one, even more so when you've actually included @NACtron and the lads in the same statement.

We should offer you a full time spot in guild, you seem to know more of our whereabouts and destinations than half of the team!

I guess memories are short. It was only a few short weeks ago @Rickter was asking for more non-DC to come to Haderus because the claim was it was infested with DC. Now you're telling me every time you've been there (all of 3 or 4 times) DC were nowhere to be found?

Correct, the majority of the map was red. With whatever representation of DC not being past Glade/Aleswell. Not that we went to check either, DC would have been on 2 bars or so, whilst EP would have been poplocked.

It maybe down to our raid nights being midweek too. The weekend maybe a different matter entirely, but you'll not have found a dedicated Hag group there.

I edited/added to my post after you responded. Please address the Rickter thread and all the whining by ad and Ep that DC was out of control on Haderus and needed to be put down.