Well... Pack it up boys and gals.

ataggs

God_flakes wrote: »

ataggs wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

ataggs wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »

Someone enlighten me why the group, of 4 to let's arbitrarily say 12 people in a tower, are the villains, and not the group of 24-60 mobbing down the 4-12?

And extending that to the rest of cyrodiil. Why are the 4-12 always painted as the villains against the mob that chances them?

Because people like neither acknowledging that others are better than them nor working to improve at the game. People want immediate gratification and reward for no effort. Therefore people who do work to improve and become a threat to this lazy majority are vilified.

1vXers and small groupers used to be celebrities. Now they're looked down on and accused of "preying on less skilled players" and cheating regardless of actual evidence.

Most of them are looked down on for the toxic attitudes, there is no reason people from any play style should be so toxic to everyone else, that applies to the zergers and the small scalers. If you want to zerg, zerg, if you want to 1vX then do it. We all know how irritating it is when a group of 2 or 3 gets chased down by a raid but you kind of have to be ready for it when you poke the zerg, happens to Kirin and I all the time. The real cancer in this game is not the highly skilled small man groups making the bads know their bad and its not the guild running multiple raids, its the toxicity of the community these days. I miss the days when everyone just played the game and did their thing.

And those days were when? Like never. We have never not had drama and salt wars in this game.

There has always been salt in every mmo ever, but when this game came out it was never this bad, there was never the assumption that playing in a big group was the same thing as being a bad player because small groups had tools to deal with zergs. That created a very clear indicator of good groups and bad groups and the groups that were good got a lot of respect. One night last week I joined a TS to talk to Faso for a little bit and before I could even join his channel several of the "1vX'rs" pulled me to their channel so they could all call me a zergling, I found it hysterical seeing as a play in a smaller group than most of those guys 90% of the time but it highlights just how toxic that crowd has become.

Not doubting it has become increasingly more toxic. Take a group you are familiar with, for example. I was good friends with someone from that group. I guess some people didn't like that. One lured me open field to show me his new armor and the rest of the group showed up and took potshots at me. I scampered away, laughing. The next day I was accused on the forums of "erp'ing" the person I met in the field. Now my good friend refuses to even talk to me. <painful eyeroll>

And these are grown men we are talking about.

But I guess this is the nature of the beast, Ghost. Any time you get a bunch of people together in a game you're going to have drama. Launch was the honeymoon period where everyone was on their best behavior. We are two years in....doesn't shock me at all its come to this.

Just to be clear, a group from another alliance stopped on their way from Roe to Nikel, saw you there solo, stopped, and then without killing you moved on to their objective and that is toxic? <eye roll>

Funny how you came running along right away to this thread. Stalking my every word on here now?



Getting my flirt on or solo? Which is it? Let's keep your lies straight, miss.

It's not stalking when you post in every thread. I agree with many of your posts, I disagreed with the fact that standing between Roe and Nikel with passing enemies leaving you alone is a good example of toxicity.

Except your group didn't leave me alone.

Bulba: You better run they want to kill you.

Me: LOL ok c ya later!

You then proceed to harangue me on the forums and accuse me of open field erping. I would hardly call that leaving me alone.

I think we are talking about different instances. Sorry for the confusion.

ZOS_PeterT

Hey everyone, we have removed several posts from this thread that were both baiting and flaming.

Even in the PVP community we want to try and keep things civil and constructive to ESO, all other conversation must take place elsewhere.

Glory

ZOS_PeterT wrote: »

Even in the PVP community we want to try and keep things civil and constructive to ESO, all other conversation must take place elsewhere.

Even in the PVP community
heh

Ghostbane

ZOS_PeterT wrote: »

Even in the PVP community...

And just what are you trying to imply sir?

starlizard70ub17_ESO

ebethke_ESO wrote: »

ZOS_PeterT wrote: »

Even in the PVP community we want to try and keep things civil and constructive to ESO, all other conversation must take place elsewhere.

Even in the PVP community
heh

If only the LOL button still existed

LrdRahvin

caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »

boiled noodles

Mmmmmmm...noodles...

caeliusstarbreaker

starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »

ebethke_ESO wrote: »

ZOS_PeterT wrote: »

Even in the PVP community we want to try and keep things civil and constructive to ESO, all other conversation must take place elsewhere.

Even in the PVP community
heh

If only the LOL button still existed

I laughed pretty hard at that too.

Ara_Valleria

God_flakes wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »

Someone enlighten me why the group, of 4 to let's arbitrarily say 12 people in a tower, are the villains, and not the group of 24-60 mobbing down the 4-12?

And extending that to the rest of cyrodiil. Why are the 4-12 always painted as the villains against the mob that chances them?

Because people like neither acknowledging that others are better than them nor working to improve at the game. People want immediate gratification and reward for no effort. Therefore people who do work to improve and become a threat to this lazy majority are vilified.

1vXers and small groupers used to be celebrities. Now they're looked down on and accused of "preying on less skilled players" and cheating regardless of actual evidence.

Most of them are looked down on for the toxic attitudes, there is no reason people from any play style should be so toxic to everyone else, that applies to the zergers and the small scalers. If you want to zerg, zerg, if you want to 1vX then do it. We all know how irritating it is when a group of 2 or 3 gets chased down by a raid but you kind of have to be ready for it when you poke the zerg, happens to Kirin and I all the time. The real cancer in this game is not the highly skilled small man groups making the bads know their bad and its not the guild running multiple raids, its the toxicity of the community these days. I miss the days when everyone just played the game and did their thing.

And those days were when? Like never. We have never not had drama and salt wars in this game.

There has always been salt in every mmo ever, but when this game came out it was never this bad, there was never the assumption that playing in a big group was the same thing as being a bad player because small groups had tools to deal with zergs. That created a very clear indicator of good groups and bad groups and the groups that were good got a lot of respect. One night last week I joined a TS to talk to Faso for a little bit and before I could even join his channel several of the "1vX'rs" pulled me to their channel so they could all call me a zergling, I found it hysterical seeing as a play in a smaller group than most of those guys 90% of the time but it highlights just how toxic that crowd has become.

Take a group you are familiar with, for example. I was good friends with someone from that group. I guess some people didn't like that. One lured me open field to show me his new armor and the rest of the group showed up and took potshots at me. I scampered away, laughing. The next day I was accused on the forums of "erp'ing" the person I met in the field. Now my good friend refuses to even talk to me. <painful eyeroll>

And these are grown men we are talking about.

FIrstly, did you just assume their gender ? /Triggered

Secondly, I found this picture with cooties on the interwebs

[SNIP]

But if you look closely, the cute kitty standing next to the alphabet, has Auriel's bow (from skyrim) on its back !!
Totes Adorbs

[Edited to remove inappropriate picture]

ZOS_DaryaK

Ghostbane wrote: »

ZOS_PeterT wrote: »

Even in the PVP community...

And just what are you trying to imply sir?

He was trying to say that while we do expect and tolerate some trash talk in the PVP forums that we don't tolerate elsewhere in the community, we do draw the line at direct insults and harassment. Because this thread has already gone into that territory after the last moderator post, we've decided to close it.