PTS Patch Notes - Towers have no doors???

BRogueNZ

manny254 wrote: »

BRogueNZ wrote: »

so people hole up in resource towers to get away from zergs.. lmao that's a good one.. next joke plz

So if you are on a resource with a group of 4 and 20 show up. What course of action would you recommend to the group of 4? Fall over and die? Run away while getting gap close spammed? Make a last stand in the tower? Looks like ZoS wants to increase the amount of zerging.

There are certainly stupid people that go into towers with full raids, but towers are generally a last resort to cling to life while getting zerged.

I understand, with the changes maybe we wont have to send 20 to bust a resource and remove the distraction

Magus

manny254 wrote: »

NACtron wrote: »

This change is fantastic. Perhaps this will result in more map control focused gameplay.

Translation: This change Benefits Zerging, and discourages small group play.

Agreed

KenaPKK

The pugs control ZOS.

Satiar

Tower change is funny. I can't complain though, my group was always terrible at it, everyone got too lazy and afkd on the inside lol

Still weird they changed it. There are simple and well known ways to break tower farms vs superior numbers. I remember it used to be an entry to more competitive play, in that any group capable of breaking a half serious tower farm was a group we watched for on the field. I suppose it continues along ZoS' general policy of catering to the casual.

Honestly it just boggles my mind that people still fed tower farms.

frozywozy

This change has a positive and negative aspect. In my opinion, EP is the faction that has been farmed in towers the most times. Arrius LM tower, Arrius mine tower, Chalman mine tower, Brk mine tower, Brk LM tower are probably the towers the most used for the purpose.

Usually people inside those towers bring up 16players+ and stay there for as long as an organized group doesn't come with proper strategies to wipe them. Negate on one side of the door, go in with barriers + immovable pots / unstoppable, negate on the other side of the door, etc.

The bad side about this change is what some people described in this thread when small groups go deep in enemy territory to capture ressources and get zerged down eventually. Their last resort to avoid riding back is to hide inside the tower. With the actual combat bug keeping you in combat, usually you have time to stealth inside the tower before the enemy zerg flip the flag and you get a chance to drop down behind the tower and move to the next ressource. Without a door, we are forced to use invisibility potions to avoid riding back.

BRogueNZ

will cut down the STAY OFF THE FLAG! zone rage-spam that's a +

Satiar

frozywozy wrote: »

This change has a positive and negative aspect. In my opinion, EP is the faction that has been farmed in towers the most times. Arrius LM tower, Arrius mine tower, Chalman mine tower, Brk mine tower, Brk LM tower are probably the towers the most used for the purpose.

Usually people inside those towers bring up 16players+ and stay there for as long as an organized group doesn't come with proper strategies to wipe them. Negate on one side of the door, go in with barriers + immovable pots / unstoppable, negate on the other side of the door, etc.

I mean.... Hijinx, Havoc, DR, IR, Nexus, Haxus, GoS, Invictis, VE, etc... EP had a ton of tower farming groups and by far the most hardcore farming guilds in the game.

Elong

There isn't a farm if nobody goes inside the door.

Another win for the carebears.

yodased

Elong wrote: »

There isn't a farm if nobody goes inside the door.

Another win for the carebears.

As a carebear, I will take it

Elong

yodased wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

There isn't a farm if nobody goes inside the door.

Another win for the carebears.

As a carebear, I will take it

They will be handing out 100% increased AP buffs if you're in a group of 24 next...

Hempyre

Dumb AF.

Who would build a tower without doors?

If folks want to lemming at a tower then that's their option. As of this change the structure has no purpose.

Complete waste of time.

yodased

Hempyre wrote: »

Dumb AF.

Who would build a tower without doors?

If folks want to lemming at a tower then that's their option. As of this change the structure has no purpose.

Complete waste of time.

Can you not set up meatbag and cold fire on the first floor and oil on the second floor?

Of course you can.

The reason you want a door is the .5 seconds you inside can see the enemy without the enemy seeing you.

If there was no delay in the door animation load, you would not have a problem with that?

Tower farms are bad for the game, sorry if that makes you sad.

NBrookus

Heaven forbid they just fix the buggy doors.

Elong

yodased wrote: »

Hempyre wrote: »

Dumb AF.

Who would build a tower without doors?

If folks want to lemming at a tower then that's their option. As of this change the structure has no purpose.

Complete waste of time.

Can you not set up meatbag and cold fire on the first floor and oil on the second floor?

Of course you can.

The reason you want a door is the .5 seconds you inside can see the enemy without the enemy seeing you.

If there was no delay in the door animation load, you would not have a problem with that?

Tower farms are bad for the game, sorry if that makes you sad.

Why. Don't. You. Just. Not. Go. In. To. The. Tower?

yodased

Elong wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

Hempyre wrote: »

Dumb AF.

Who would build a tower without doors?

If folks want to lemming at a tower then that's their option. As of this change the structure has no purpose.

Complete waste of time.

Can you not set up meatbag and cold fire on the first floor and oil on the second floor?

Of course you can.

The reason you want a door is the .5 seconds you inside can see the enemy without the enemy seeing you.

If there was no delay in the door animation load, you would not have a problem with that?

Tower farms are bad for the game, sorry if that makes you sad.

Why. Don't. You. Just. Not. Go. In. To. The. Tower?

why. do. you. feel. its. ok. to. farm. other. players?

Satiar

yodased wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

Hempyre wrote: »

Dumb AF.

Who would build a tower without doors?

If folks want to lemming at a tower then that's their option. As of this change the structure has no purpose.

Complete waste of time.

Can you not set up meatbag and cold fire on the first floor and oil on the second floor?

Of course you can.

The reason you want a door is the .5 seconds you inside can see the enemy without the enemy seeing you.

If there was no delay in the door animation load, you would not have a problem with that?

Tower farms are bad for the game, sorry if that makes you sad.

Why. Don't. You. Just. Not. Go. In. To. The. Tower?

why. do. you. feel. its. ok. to. farm. other. players?

Because it's a PvP game.

Elong

yodased wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

Hempyre wrote: »

Dumb AF.

Who would build a tower without doors?

If folks want to lemming at a tower then that's their option. As of this change the structure has no purpose.

Complete waste of time.

Can you not set up meatbag and cold fire on the first floor and oil on the second floor?

Of course you can.

The reason you want a door is the .5 seconds you inside can see the enemy without the enemy seeing you.

If there was no delay in the door animation load, you would not have a problem with that?

Tower farms are bad for the game, sorry if that makes you sad.

Why. Don't. You. Just. Not. Go. In. To. The. Tower?

why. do. you. feel. its. ok. to. farm. other. players?

I don't know how to break this game any simpler, if you're not there, there's no farm is there? Why are you not grasping something a kindergarten kid could?

Rohamad_Ali

Satiar wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

Hempyre wrote: »

Dumb AF.

Who would build a tower without doors?

If folks want to lemming at a tower then that's their option. As of this change the structure has no purpose.

Complete waste of time.

Can you not set up meatbag and cold fire on the first floor and oil on the second floor?

Of course you can.

The reason you want a door is the .5 seconds you inside can see the enemy without the enemy seeing you.

If there was no delay in the door animation load, you would not have a problem with that?

Tower farms are bad for the game, sorry if that makes you sad.

Why. Don't. You. Just. Not. Go. In. To. The. Tower?

why. do. you. feel. its. ok. to. farm. other. players?

Because it's a PvP game.

^ so much this

yodased

its not a pvp game, its an AvA game.

You can attempt to insult me all you want, but you are supporting something that is bad for this game. Do you also support the broken builds and exploitative behavior?

Who am I kidding, of course you do.

There is a clear divide here, one you obviously have lost. I believe that there was a saying put forward by one of the devs recently, something akin to:

"You don't have to play this game"

Elong

yodased wrote: »

its not a pvp game, its an AvA game.

You can attempt to insult me all you want, but you are supporting something that is bad for this game. Do you also support the broken builds and exploitative behavior?

Who am I kidding, of course you do.

There is a clear divide here, one you obviously have lost. I believe that there was a saying put forward by one of the devs recently, something akin to:

"You don't have to play this game"

Wait what is all of this? Hahaha.

Someone please explain how an AvA game is not a PvP game? That's amazing.

What has broken builds and exploitative behaviour got to do with this? Of course I don't.

You're swinging wildly, and making no contact here. Have a lay down.

Satiar

yodased wrote: »

its not a pvp game, its an AvA game.

You can attempt to insult me all you want, but you are supporting something that is bad for this game. Do you also support the broken builds and exploitative behavior?

Who am I kidding, of course you do.

There is a clear divide here, one you obviously have lost. I believe that there was a saying put forward by one of the devs recently, something akin to:

"You don't have to play this game"

I won't insult you, I have nothing against you.

I just don't feel bad for players who purposely and continually run into a meat grinder. No one is forcing them to, they can do other things. When I was new I ran into a No Mercy tower farm and died 5x in 5 minutes. Then I stopped going in. First time I fought Sypher he was using a ground oil and I died... the next time I was more wary and didn't just walk into a DK holding block, flapping wings on an oil pot.

If you're one of those people that just doesn't learn or adapt to these things, I dunno what to say. PvP games may not be your thing. But there's a TON of nonpvp content out there!

yodased

Satiar wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

its not a pvp game, its an AvA game.

You can attempt to insult me all you want, but you are supporting something that is bad for this game. Do you also support the broken builds and exploitative behavior?

Who am I kidding, of course you do.

There is a clear divide here, one you obviously have lost. I believe that there was a saying put forward by one of the devs recently, something akin to:

"You don't have to play this game"

I won't insult you, I have nothing against you.

I just don't feel bad for players who purposely and continually run into a meat grinder. No one is forcing them to, they can do other things. When I was new I ran into a No Mercy tower farm and died 5x in 5 minutes. Then I stopped going in. First time I fought Sypher he was using a ground oil and I died... the next time I was more wary and didn't just walk into a DK holding block, flapping wings on an oil pot.

If you're one of those people that just doesn't learn or adapt to these things, I dunno what to say. PvP games may not be your thing. But there's a TON of nonpvp content out there!

I don't get tower farmed. I am not speaking for my personal gain here.

What I AM saying though is that there are new countries being added to this game that have never played before. There will be a surge of new players entering this game on update 12, I'm assuming.

I am also the guy when I switched to Ps4 I didn't PvP on my vr14 because it was completely unfair. I rolled a new toon and leveled it like everyone else.

Maybe I'm the odd one, but you know what, I don't do anything that is going to make this game not fun and fair for anyone else, and only for the reason that I'm not a ***.

Crystelle

I don't understand how you couldn't avoid a tower farm in the first place? It's not like we're forcing you to come in the door and die with your zerg. This is just a change for carebears who refuse to use common sense.

Manoekin

They have and are slowly removing any impact skill/smart play has in this game. This is why the game is dead. Entirely. It's close enough at this point, but imo eventually it will end up being where if you even see a group larger than you you just go afk and come back after you've ressed because there isn't any point. It only promotes bringing larger numbers to fights which ends up in a laggy mess. People in this thread praising it and saying it's to help promote map play have no right to whine about the game's poor performance as they're literally the direct cause of it as far as I'm concerned now.

Long gone are the days when you actually had to know what you were doing in this game. ZOS's plan is to be able to throw a monkey at the controls and watch it be successful in PvP. That's basically what all of you are, ZOS's experiment. Instead of learning how to counter something, actually learning how to play the game, all the in's and out's, really just not being complete morons... ZOS has said, you can be anything but all that and we will find a way to make it so you can be successful. Because every dollar counts even the brain dead players, and there are way more of those.

List of things players with brains actually figured out:

• Ground oils
• Tower Farms
• Roof Farms
• fighting outnumbered
• taking/defending keeps outnumbered
• how not to stand in a standard
• how not to stand next to a player with Bats up
• don't snipe DK's
• don't follow closely around a corner
• don't follow into a narrow passage aka choke

What did I forget?

Waiting for a permanent vacation from this hellhole starting now.

yodased

And what exactly does that prove? You think that you killing me somehow affects me? When have I ever claimed to be good at this game?

I just don't understand why it has to devolve into personal attacks at someones "skill" or lack there of.

Tower farming was bad for this game, you killed me 15 times when I have not killed you once.. These are facts.

NedicWildling

yodased wrote: »

And what exactly does that prove? You think that you killing me somehow affects me? When have I ever claimed to be good at this game?

I just don't understand why it has to devolve into personal attacks at someones "skill" or lack there of.

Tower farming was bad for this game, you killed me 15 times when I have not killed you once.. These are facts.

It isn't devolving into anything, the fact is you think AvAvA only involves big groups when it doesn't, there is no reason to not be able to accommodate all play styles. Not everyone that goes into a tower is set on "farming" it, you are sometimes forced into it when zerglings like you feel the need to bring overwhelming numbers. I've even taken into consideration things like, not taking resource near a keep that has a scroll or a main keep, or even taking a resource when it's close to eval time so it doesn't get zerged down, but it seems groups like the ones you usually play in don't even care for that. Removing doors from resources is bad for the game.. Those are the facts.

Valencer

People try to hold the bottom floor of a resource tower because it provides cover from enemy siege fire. Farming groups only need a chokepoint, door or not... the 0.5 seconds a player cant control his character while entering the door is almost irrelevant, honestly.

This change was made for puglords who just want to pew pew with their coldfire sieges and auto-win if they bring more numbers to a fight. Nice

yodased

I am a solo player, I don't join groups, so I am not sure really why you would lump me into that.

LOL You think I am a LFG person, I get it. That makes sense, but alas no, if I am in a group it is a 2 person group.

You can present yourself as noble, I don't know you, but your above post says more about your attitude than anything.

Presenting me with a kill death ratio and then attributing that to somehow your opinion is more valid than mine is strange, isn't it?

emma666

yodased wrote: »

I am a solo player, I don't join groups, so I am not sure really why you would lump me into that.

LOL You think I am a LFG person, I get it. That makes sense, but alas no, if I am in a group it is a 2 person group.

You can present yourself as noble, I don't know you, but your above post says more about your attitude than anything.

Presenting me with a kill death ratio and then attributing that to somehow your opinion is more valid than mine is strange, isn't it?

His opinion is more valid than yours because he is a great player, has played since beta and has seen how ZOS has nerfed small groups patch after patch since the launch of the game.

You don't get it because you are simply a bad player and don't understand that this change favours zergs and not the small group who is already always at a disadvantage.

How is this hard to understand???

NedicWildling

yodased wrote: »

I am a solo player, I don't join groups, so I am not sure really why you would lump me into that.

LOL You think I am a LFG person, I get it. That makes sense, but alas no, if I am in a group it is a 2 person group.

You can present yourself as noble, I don't know you, but your above post says more about your attitude than anything.

Presenting me with a kill death ratio and then attributing that to somehow your opinion is more valid than mine is strange, isn't it?

Never presented myself as noble, I know what I am, and noble or polite is the last thing i am in this game. But i know enough to consider other players when i know they are already getting zerged down by 10 players(except when it's zergbald) I don't think my opinion is more valid than yours, but your arrogance when you make the point that since this is an AvAvA it should not involve smaller groups being able to taken on larger groups and in this case using a door to their advantage is really stupid. It is what it is.