Icereach PC NA (Mulaamnir/Kyne/BWB NA PC - Final)

Just_call_me_Cola

Adenoma wrote: »

@vamp_emily , that House of Emperors guild already exists. It's the Guild of Night Blader. I'm having trouble thinking of a member in our regular play group that hasn't been emp. I think Mad is the only one.

Yes GONB has only emps and often stacks 24 the only weakness. 4 man groups

DeadlyRecluse

vamp_emily wrote: »

Silky wrote: »

PvE players.... in bwb...taking emp....

lul.

Never under estimate a PvE player. One thing I learned about PvE players is they love their achievements. If I give them motivation and reasons to come to PvP, they will come to BwB hurt your feelings, crown Emp and then ask if you would like any tissues.

I honestly don't know why people aren't taking this seriously. The best AP is PvE, so there's the leaderboard handled. The way DC crowns emps is PvE, so there's the crowning handled.

Adenoma

Our emps have zerged so much they've forgotten how to small man.

vamp_emily

Adenoma wrote: »

You two just need to kiss. You're both the least intimidating trash talkers of each faction. It's like Romeo and Juliet. Who's the Capulet and who's the Montague?

I'm only being nice to him because the mods said I need to be good and pet him. No kisses for fluffy. He will only get poked in the eye when he gets too close to me.

Adenoma

Also, I'm not at all scared of a PvE emp. So their siege hits double and that's about it? Okay...

Mjollo

vamp_emily wrote: »

Adenoma wrote: »

You two just need to kiss. You're both the least intimidating trash talkers of each faction. It's like Romeo and Juliet. Who's the Capulet and who's the Montague?

I'm only being nice to him because the mods said I need to be good and pet him. No kisses for fluffy. He will only get poked in the eye when he gets too close to me.

you don't have to be nice to anybody. just civil lol...

Just_call_me_Cola

Psst there seige doesn't hit double anymore....Unless you mean walls but who cares about walls

DCeiver0

vamp_emily wrote: »

Adenoma wrote: »

You two just need to kiss. You're both the least intimidating trash talkers of each faction. It's like Romeo and Juliet. Who's the Capulet and who's the Montague?

I'm only being nice to him because the mods said I need to be good and pet him. No kisses for fluffy. He will only get poked in the eye when he gets too close to me.

Thankfully text hides sarcasm pretty well.

Silky

vamp_emily wrote: »

Never under estimate a PvE player. One thing I learned about PvE players is they love their achievements. If I give them motivation and reasons to come to PvP, they will come to BwB hurt your feelings, crown Emp and then ask if you would like any tissues.

Motivate them not to set up siege every 10 yards while fighting a group that is smaller than them

Enipfodnuos

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

vamp_emily wrote: »

Silky wrote: »

PvE players.... in bwb...taking emp....

lul.

Never under estimate a PvE player. One thing I learned about PvE players is they love their achievements. If I give them motivation and reasons to come to PvP, they will come to BwB hurt your feelings, crown Emp and then ask if you would like any tissues.

I honestly don't know why people aren't taking this seriously. The best AP is PvE, so there's the leaderboard handled. The way DC crowns emps is PvE, so there's the crowning handled.

Wait. T u telling me I'm regularly in like 14th place on the rankings because all I do is pvp in the evenings? So if I really wanted emp I would forgo the fun and slog my way through quests while evryones having fun Jesus beaming each other?

Just_call_me_Cola

Enipfodnuos wrote: »

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

vamp_emily wrote: »

Silky wrote: »

PvE players.... in bwb...taking emp....

lul.

Never under estimate a PvE player. One thing I learned about PvE players is they love their achievements. If I give them motivation and reasons to come to PvP, they will come to BwB hurt your feelings, crown Emp and then ask if you would like any tissues.

I honestly don't know why people aren't taking this seriously. The best AP is PvE, so there's the leaderboard handled. The way DC crowns emps is PvE, so there's the crowning handled.

Wait. T u telling me I'm regularly in like 14th place on the rankings because all I do is pvp in the evenings? So if I really wanted emp I would forgo the fun and slog my way through quests while evryones having fun Jesus beaming each other?

No, flip resources gain AP win the game

Enipfodnuos

Oh. So basically everythings a glorified haedrus.

Adenoma

You don't need to do quests. You just need to flip resources. Like your emp, I guess.

Just_call_me_Cola

Enipfodnuos wrote: »

Oh. So basically everythings a glorified haedrus.

I don't play vet enough to know. I like to think of it as "basically PvE with some unique named bosses" the hardest boss of all.....COLA

Silky

Nah, Had resources win the campaign, BwB resources just get you ez ap.

Enipfodnuos

Just_call_me_Cola wrote: »

Enipfodnuos wrote: »

Oh. So basically everythings a glorified haedrus.

I don't play vet enough to know. I like to think of it as "basically PvE with some unique named bosses" the hardest boss of all.....COLA

I have no idea how to respond to tht.

DeadlyRecluse

Enipfodnuos wrote: »

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

vamp_emily wrote: »

Silky wrote: »

PvE players.... in bwb...taking emp....

lul.

Never under estimate a PvE player. One thing I learned about PvE players is they love their achievements. If I give them motivation and reasons to come to PvP, they will come to BwB hurt your feelings, crown Emp and then ask if you would like any tissues.

I honestly don't know why people aren't taking this seriously. The best AP is PvE, so there's the leaderboard handled. The way DC crowns emps is PvE, so there's the crowning handled.

Wait. T u telling me I'm regularly in like 14th place on the rankings because all I do is pvp in the evenings? So if I really wanted emp I would forgo the fun and slog my way through quests while evryones having fun Jesus beaming each other?

In the current patch, in BWB, you would do nothing but flip resources.

That is 100% the most AP per hour you can currently make in BWB. I've made 500k AP per day in BWB a few patches ago, I know the hard limits on making AP in this campaign.

Resource flipping, currently, exceeds any other consistent method of making AP in BWB.

EDIT: And also yes, I'm telling you being regularly 14th on the leaderboards means nothing and is about right for consistent casual play. Very few people in BWB actually understand AP gains--and that's fine, tbh that's how BWB should be.

Gederic

Oh whats this, Chal front door is down... Walks inside. Oh [snip] its AD not EP taking it. DK leaps onto particular AD raid lead, causes wipe.

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Vurian97

It would seem that the Aldmeri Dominion is lacking all of it's regulars the last few days.

Gederic wrote: »

Oh whats this, Chal front door is down... Walks inside. Oh [snip] its AD not EP taking it. DK leaps onto particular AD raid lead, causes wipe.

Got annihilated by DC defenders and a few EP on our backs. Was going to try to force DC to either defend or chase us around the circle for their Emperorship, since EP seemed uninterested in stopping it. We ended up failing with our 8...


I've grown frustrated the last few days. The amount of whispers I have received over the fact that I am #1 and "have failed so many Emperor pushes" is expanding. I have yet to even attempt a massive push. We have yet to even come close to a chance for a crowning. Why the beef? Why the harassment? Some of you need to chill.

To those claiming that flipping resources is the best way to gain AP... I am #1 in AP right now for the campaign by playing the map. If an enemy takes 1 of our resources, I flip it back, otherwise, I am on the front lines flipping keeps, outposts, and resources after taking a keep. There is no just flipping random resources to gain AP. Play the map and you get AP, real simple.

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DeadlyRecluse

Vurian97 wrote: »

Some of you need to chill.

This is true!

Vurian97 wrote: »

To those claiming that flipping resources is the best way to gain AP... I am #1 in AP right now for the campaign by playing the map. If an enemy takes 1 of our resources, I flip it back, otherwise, I am on the front lines flipping keeps, outposts, and resources after taking a keep. There is no just flipping random resources to gain AP. Play the map and you get AP, real simple.

This is not.

Just because nobody is currently doing it, doesn't mean it isn't the fastest way to make AP. Tested it, etc. etc.--you can easily make 50k an hour JUST flipping resources--and that was with my ad hoc test pattern, you could probably make it signficantly more efficient with a little tweaking. Add in any keeptakes and killing you happen to participate in? Forget about it. I'm not saying that's what you are doing, I KNOW you are playing the map--and I do think it is a great thing that playing the map is now a viable source of AP, but it is very, very far from the fastest.

Previously, 500k a day was really the most you could push in BWB without cheesing (since TG patch, when they increased player AP amounts). That can easily be exceeded now.


Again, don't take this as an accusation or a slight at anyone on the leaderboards, I don't think it's really reared it's ugly head in BWB (except for the first day, but I'm not gonna touch that one).

vamp_emily

I have a question. Does PvP cause post war syndrome?

Vurian97

I could see Resource flipping only being the fastest AP gain if you are on a slow / small / weak faction. If your faction is constantly flipping stuff, front-line would out-flip the resource flipper. 1500 x 3 + 6000 at each keep take, as long as you are constantly moving, would outdue someone who is just getting 1500 x3 and then running to the next. (Depending on how long it takes to take the keep, of course)

Vyle_Byte

Vurian97 wrote: »

It would seem that the Aldmeri Dominion is lacking all of it's regulars the last few days.

Valen and I played a little yesterday but not to the degree we normally do, had a lot of irl stuff going on this week and probably wont get a lot of playtime in, in the next few days either. Honestly think most are waiting for a patch to fix the invisible players bug or possibly playing with housing?

Enipfodnuos

vamp_emily wrote: »

I have a question. Does PvP cause post war syndrome?

I've actually pondered this myself, and I assume you mean PTSD. sometimes when I'm in a PVE zone I'll forget for a split second when I see an AD or EP and prepare to fight. Gets my heart pumping. Of course I am a little bit off my rocker to begin with, but I assume this is a kind of in game PTSD.

DCeiver0

Gederic wrote: »

Oh whats this, Chal front door is down... Walks inside. Oh [snip] its AD not EP taking it. DK leaps onto particular AD raid lead, causes wipe.

I arrived just moments after that, with just enough time to watch 3 or 4 other DC mow you down. That wipe was pretty brutal though thanks.

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DeadlyRecluse

Vurian97 wrote: »

I could see Resource flipping only being the fastest AP gain if you are on a slow / small / weak faction. If your faction is constantly flipping stuff, front-line would out-flip the resource flipper. 1500 x 3 + 6000 at each keep take, as long as you are constantly moving, would outdue someone who is just getting 1500 x3 and then running to the next. (Depending on how long it takes to take the keep, of course)

That's exactly right--the problem isn't just resource flipping in a vaccuum (though believe me when I say that's bad enough, and I'm confident a motivated individual could easily stay in #1 in BWB without playing the map or PvPing at all).

You are running a group playing the map. You move on Ash--I am just scumbag resource farming, but I see ash flag--you haven't taken the resources yet, because you don't want to give away your move--or maybe you took one to siege from after you were spotted. I mosey over, and get that 6k tick plus the resources.

Then I go to Glade, flip those resources while you are moving on Aleswell. I get the glade resource ticks x3 and head over to get everything at your seige there, too--and in BWB, the O-ticks generated by players just don't add up to as much as you are getting on the simple flip, so I'm not missing a lot of killing AP.


Or conversely, you are running a group playing the map--you have to defend Alessia from the filthy reds. Great! Ten minute defense, routine stuff--but because the AP change doesn't apply to D ticks, you only get a 3k tick, say. In that time, I've flipped 6 resources on DC side, not trying to defend them or anything.


Or all three factions are pretty deadlocked, it's hard to take keeps but you, as a group lead playing the map, are trying. Lots of failed pushes, lots of successful defenses (as is the case when everything is pretty even, as you know).

I just go flip resources all night and make a consistent 50k AP per hour. Easily. Not by playing the map, not by taking resources that make sense, not by taking resources and flagging keeps to cut transit. Just by killing the same 7-8 NPCs at each flag--and since the reward is the same regardless of group size, I don't even need to be able to solo them--heck I can bring a raid of PvErs in with me (they want vigor anyway, right?).

There are other ways, both legit and what I would consider to be exploitative, that could increase that further.


Making playing the map give AP is great--it's phenomenal. And I say that as someone who often does not play the map. Lots of suggestions have been made that would make it just as beneficial to play the map (in terms of AP gain) while neutering resource cheese:
1. diminishing returns on consecutive resource caps
2. Resources (and keeps) only giving the new, larger ticks if at least one enemy player is killed on it
3. Reducing resource AP reward to 500 or so, keeping keep O ticks at 6k (after all, playing the map is ultimately about keeps, not resources, and it's significantly more difficult to "farm" keeps like you can resources, though not impossible.


But as they stand? I tested this the day this patch hit (and again, don't take this as an attack): making 50k per hour is EASY this way. You are in first after what, 2 days of campaign at 700k? That's pretty good! Nobody should be able to match that rate just by grinding resources for 6 hours a day. And they could.

DeadlyRecluse

Vyle_Byte wrote: »

Vurian97 wrote: »

It would seem that the Aldmeri Dominion is lacking all of it's regulars the last few days.

Valen and I played a little yesterday but not to the degree we normally do, had a lot of irl stuff going on this week and probably wont get a lot of playtime in, in the next few days either. Honestly think most are waiting for a patch to fix the invisible players bug or possibly playing with housing?

I'm sitting out PvP this campaign, due to the invisible players.

I dealt with it for a few days, then realized how crazy it was to deal with such an incredibly stupid bug while there was lots of other things to do, in this game and others.

DCeiver0

I've been popping in here and there, but mostly gear farming for build ideas.

Vurian97

I only experienced the invisible player issue en mass on the first day. Since then, it hasn't been bad.

Lumsdenml

Stridig wrote: »

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

Stridig wrote: »

These online video games are definitely an odd environment.

Online gaming is ruining BWB.

Work is ruining BwB for me.

So much this