Malubeth

Jules

I used this set a few weeks ago. Maybe about a month now. I justified it to myself by saying that great incoming heals were needed when fighting outnumbered. I'd say a good deal of people justify it to themselves because of this.

However, upon taking the set off and replacing it with another, I started to look around me and see purple beams of cancer everywhere. People, lying CC'd on the ground being beat on by many and somehow still outhealing immense incoming damage. Tanks of all shapes and forms, permablocking and being carried by this set, rendering themselves virtually unkillable by others. They are everywhere.

To anyone being honest with themselves, the set is overperforming. Yes it is not proccing 20k+ heals randomly anymore. Yes, the bug was fixed. However, the set remains very unbalanced in pvp.

How do we fix this? What are some reasonable adjustments to leave the set as a viable choice without it being the BIS carry all that it currently is?

Discuss.

BurritoESO

Add a 10 second cool down and remove the 30% healing? :0

DannyLV702

I have no problem with it. I can kill the same people whether or not they're using malubeth.

Anazasi

I don't use it. Sorry was not a fan of the set on my DK.

Synozeer

Jules wrote: »

To anyone being honest with themselves, the set is overperforming. Yes it is not proccing 20k+ heals randomly anymore. Yes, the bug was fixed. However, the set remains very unbalanced in pvp.

Actually it still is last I checked.

Whatever bug they supposedly fixed didn't appear to fix anything that I noticed. Lots of vids posted showing it broken since that patch, unless you're referring to the last two weeks - I stopped using it so I wouldn't know if they did a stealth fix during that time.

Sandman929

ZOS fixed an issue with the set, and there's been no word about it since. A lot of people take that to mean "working as intended". The community seems to lean toward considering the set over-performing, bugged, glitchy...whatever, but until something is officially declared a bug and its use officially considered an exploit, I don't think it's going anywhere.
I took it out of my bank when ZOS said they "fixed" an issue with it, but now it's back in the bank because the evidence provided by the community would require some incredible mental gymnastics to be completely discounted as proof that problems with the set persist.

It's a great set for PvP tanking. The weirdness seems to be infrequent looking at information posted by others about average healing by the proc, but it's clearly still there. I hope it's still a good set if it's ever fixed, but until then, back in the bank.

FENGRUSH

Especially brutal when youre being hit by dots and attacks like rapid strikes and jabs. Instant procs. I was yelling at templars to stop jabbing the guy so I could burst him down properly as he lay on the ground fully healing over and over. Tanks not even managing stam with this laying on the ground unless faced with proper burst builds. All the more reason that burst is needed over dot/sustain-challenging playstyles. Try dueling a malubeth with lots of dots and rapidstrikes. Its pretty silly!

xylena

I gave up using Malu, got tired of all the rage tells about it (also I switched back to stam dk, which really doesn't even need Malu because rally+vigor are more than enough).

Thing is, I've never died because my opponent was using Malubeth, and I kill plenty of Malubeth users. Something like RD actually kills me, and infinite dodge roll is a way more OP survival skill than Malu. There's plenty of worse BS in the game than one tank monster set.

ataggs

So do debuffs like dark flare work against this?

DannyLV702

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Especially brutal when youre being hit by dots and attacks like rapid strikes and jabs. Instant procs. I was yelling at templars to stop jabbing the guy so I could burst him down properly as he lay on the ground fully healing over and over. Tanks not even managing stam with this laying on the ground unless faced with proper burst builds. All the more reason that burst is needed over dot/sustain-challenging playstyles. Try dueling a malubeth with lots of dots and rapidstrikes. Its pretty silly!

This game is already about burst. You said it yourself, YOU knew how to burst him down, the others didn't. So it's not the fault of the set for being "OP" it's the fault of other players for not knowing how to properly counter it

Papa_Hunt

A little off topic...is Lord Warden a decent set in PvP?

FENGRUSH

DannyLV702 wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Especially brutal when youre being hit by dots and attacks like rapid strikes and jabs. Instant procs. I was yelling at templars to stop jabbing the guy so I could burst him down properly as he lay on the ground fully healing over and over. Tanks not even managing stam with this laying on the ground unless faced with proper burst builds. All the more reason that burst is needed over dot/sustain-challenging playstyles. Try dueling a malubeth with lots of dots and rapidstrikes. Its pretty silly!

This game is already about burst. You said it yourself, YOU knew how to burst him down, the others didn't. So it's not the fault of the set for being "OP" it's the fault of other players for not knowing how to properly counter it

Its not really about 'countering' it though - its actually invalidating that style of play. Im just trying to point out that things will be focused on burst, and there is a reason for it. In group play its because any heal will instantly fill someone up. Fighting someone with malubeth is different, its actually just procing the set - and once it is, any heal in the game combined with it will heal you up. In many cases, a heal is not even needed when you start using middle ground sustain dot builds. They just get thrown to the wayside, and the same applies when trying to fight against groups with healers.

Oh well - just adding some input. I already get around it - but wed like to see some other things be viable. The other isnt really a feasible option is all Im saying.

Master_Kas

Just make it to major mending so classes without mm can make use of it without using a resto heavy attack..

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

It should just damage with the beam and give mm for a fixed time e.g. 10s. No heals needed. Either that or apply a smaller hot rather than scale as it does.

bubbygink

Make the Malubeth healing increase be "Major Mending" so that it doesn't stack with other Major Mending sources. Classes that can do Major Mending and get the + 30% from Malubeth are the issue.

Brrrofski

Yeh, it needs to be major mending.

Would solve a lot of the issues.

Asmael

Fix the other bug with it? Doesn't double dip on critical hits, but it still procs the +30% healing multiple times (I had some beautiful 40k+ healing from Dragon blood from it, battle roar healing me to full, and potions healing me for 20k).

And change it to Major Vitality to avoid the stacking with potions.

Set actually works as intended against a single target (as in, not bugged), it just becomes gross when facing multiple opponents.

As far as I'm concerned, no issue with dealing with malubeth 1 on 1 unless running a melee DoT build (e.g mDK...).

FENGRUSH

Make Malubeth actually give -30% healing on proc when youre being actively hit with a beam from templars.

Qbiken

How many threds shall we have about this set?? C´mon, the set needs a fix, not a nerf. And the reason a lot of people can just sit there and take damage while cc´d is often because they use the reactive set.

Zheg

Keep the heal buff (or change to major vitality), remove the channeled active heal and replace that with a flat armor/spell resist buff of like 2.5k (or maybe 8% dmg mitigation minor buff).

You can still counter that with fasalla and major defile, they cant be healed if CCd and out of stam, and it still functions as a viable tanky pvp set.

Armitas

I took it off a week or so after they removed battle spirit from it because I didn't want to confuse my victories with a bug from scourge harvest (which I think may still be happening). I never stacked other healing buffs with it because my entire purpose was to have a counter to the prevalent amount of defiles in Cyrodiil. As a simple defile counter it worked well and fairly, but these troll builds completely broke it by stacking heal buffs.

It needs to be major mending, and major vitality needs to be removed from the game. We don't need two heal buffs, or multiple sources of heal debuffs for that matter. There should only be 1 major heal debuff, and 1 major heal buff and that's it.

____________

Major Mending vs Major Vitality.

If we make it Major vitality then will commonly stack with healers using major mending...if not your own major mending. So if an entire raid has Malubeth on then they will all have % increased inc healing, and then the healer that is healing them will have increased outgoing healing from major mending meaning everyone in the group is stacking 2 heal buffs.

SubtleHate

I don't see a problem with it in its current form. Though as a compromise between myself and the QQers, I could live with a cooldown of 5-8 seconds. Maybe 10 at max, but I don't want to be gimped when I'm trying to get away from/survive the entire Pact Militia raid that loves to chase me around.

SubtleHate

Furthermore the people complaining about Malubeth the most are the 1vxers because it makes it harder to 1vx. 1vx is not something that the game was built around nor was it intended to be a thing, so I think catering to the whims of the smallest, and arguably most toxic/biased, group of players is folly. I do consider myself a part of this group, though I personally enjoy all aspects of PvP-- the 1vx's, small groups, big *** zerg groups, etc.

Rohamad_Ali

Someone at ZOS put that suit in a disposal container and neutralize the threat .

Jules

Brrrofski wrote: »

Yeh, it needs to be major mending.

Would solve a lot of the issues.

I agree that it shouldn't be its own healing % and that it shouldn't stack with major mending at all. It's way too strong, especially on Templars and dk's.

However, I disagree with the way to fix it. I think major mending is too strong for one two piece set. The set as is gives way too much healing and I think changing it to major mending would fix the stackable issue but would then make major mending readily accessible to classes that purposely do not have it by design.

How to fix this, I'm not sure. Minor mending would likely give 8% increase to heals and would be worth exploring. This would give classes without major a decent but balanced buff but would still leave the stacking with major mending issue.

Catch 22. You want to stop it from stacking for classes with major mending, so I understand the attractiveness of giving it major mending. But on the other hand, giving the set major mending creates a BIS end all set that would buff the classes without it unimaginably.

zyk

Synozeer wrote: »

Jules wrote: »

To anyone being honest with themselves, the set is overperforming. Yes it is not proccing 20k+ heals randomly anymore. Yes, the bug was fixed. However, the set remains very unbalanced in pvp.

Actually it still is last I checked.

Whatever bug they supposedly fixed didn't appear to fix anything that I noticed. Lots of vids posted showing it broken since that patch, unless you're referring to the last two weeks - I stopped using it so I wouldn't know if they did a stealth fix during that time.

It's pretty clear the set is still providing bugged heals as have been observed in videos and screenshots. But players see only what they want to.

Nafirian

Keklubeth

Scamandros

I was told today that it is unsportsmanlike to move around and break an enemy's malubeth beams. fotm peeps say the darndest things.

Overall I'd be content if the suspicious heals stopped, and each dot tick or multi hit attack on the wearer would not have a chance to proc it. Or only the first tick/hit rolls to proc, as I think most other 'on hit chance' based mechanics already work.

Kilandros

"Overperforming"? It's brokenly OP on any class. That's why everyone uses it (including your friend Kodi)

Armitas

Jules wrote: »

How to fix this, I'm not sure. Minor mending would likely give 8% increase to heals and would be worth exploring, would give classes without major a decent but balanced buff but would still leave the stacking with major mending issue.

Catch 22. You want to stop it from stacking for classes with major mending, so I understand the attractiveness of giving it major mending. But on the other hand, giving the set major mending creates a BIS end all set that would buff the classes without it unimaginably.

What if it procs scourge but rather than buffing healing it purges all debuffs? (Not dots)

MLRPZ

People will use wathever make them perform the best, even if it's overkill. I played myself with it a few weeks, then threw it away for something else, Less tankiness but more DPS and less cheese