Having armor crafted? Follow this check list!

Sheezabeast

As a crafter who sometimes gets disrespected or taken advantage of, I want to share this list of things you need to do when you procure yourself an armor crafter.

1) Please ask us questions about the amount of materials needed. It's frustrating going all the way out to a crafting station to learn they expected you to use your own materials and they pay you for them and you don't have enough on hand so you have to do their shopping for them and go back to the station. If you don't have time to buy your own materials, why would we?

2) Don't leave out important details in your armor order. If we don't know the style, armor weight, or trait, we can't make it.

3) Please don't be demanding. A little politeness goes a long way. Be respectful, we are doing you a favor, we are not obligated to help you.

4) Appreciate the little things we don't charge for. I personally never charge for essence runes except Hajeiko. I never charge for green crafting mats. I often don't charge for style mats unless its a pricey material. At the end of the day we accept those losses, however small they are. Some charge for every thing needed, some don't. Ask your crafter what to include in your materials, if they don't make you pay for some things, thank them!!!

5) Please tip your crafter! If you don't have gold, ask your crafter what types of things they could use. I've often received tips that were materials, items I could sell, or just pure gold. Show your appreciation for their service even if you can't tip them more than 1-2K, a few kind words goes a long way.

Feel free to add to this list, fellow crafters

Grileenor

Seems you got some bad luck with players. I never have issues like this. Someone asks, I ask back one or two questions, everything works out fine.

FloppyTouch

I do all my crafting for ppl for free and upgrade it to purple for free even enchanting as long as you supply the mats for the gear

Oakmontowls_ESO

When ever I do crafting I just ask for the materials and then ask them to tip something. Sometimes I make a bunch of gold and sometimes I lose a bit of money.

Takes-No-Prisoner

Here are the rules I follow OP,

1. Bring your own mats, period. Sometimes I can foot the bill on things like trait stones and style stones since I have a good chunk of them, but this rule comes first and foremost. No mats, no service.

2. I require the person using my services to come with me to the station so it can be crafted on site and they must be in party with me and have a microphone so we can double check everything they want is correct--Obviously if they can't access the DLC, in party and having a mic is fine. This means they see me working on the table and they get their gear right then and there. I don't have time to shovel gear in the mail, and it's a big hassle.

Have had zero problems doing that.

I have had situations where I was crafting for one guy and I got a PM from another guy needing his stuff made and hes right there watching me work. I set up him with all his shiney new wares and he was bouncing around like a child on christmas morning. A couple of weeks ago, I helped out someone who got scammed and even used my own enchant mats to set him up with enchantments since I felt bad for the guy. He said he had to re-grind up all his leathers all over again. He was extremely thankful and happy little PvER.

ShedsHisTail

Sheezabeast wrote: »

As a crafter who sometimes gets disrespected or taken advantage of, I want to share this list of things you need to do when you procure yourself an armor crafter.

1) Please ask us questions about the amount of materials needed. It's frustrating going all the way out to a crafting station to learn they expected you to use your own materials and they pay you for them and you don't have enough on hand so you have to do their shopping for them and go back to the station. If you don't have time to buy your own materials, why would we?

2) Don't leave out important details in your armor order. If we don't know the style, armor weight, or trait, we can't make it.

3) Please don't be demanding. A little politeness goes a long way. Be respectful, we are doing you a favor, we are not obligated to help you.

4) Appreciate the little things we don't charge for. I personally never charge for essence runes except Hajeiko. I never charge for green crafting mats. I often don't charge for style mats unless its a pricey material. At the end of the day we accept those losses, however small they are. Some charge for every thing needed, some don't. Ask your crafter what to include in your materials, if they don't make you pay for some things, thank them!!!

5) Please tip your crafter! If you don't have gold, ask your crafter what types of things they could use. I've often received tips that were materials, items I could sell, or just pure gold. Show your appreciation for their service even if you can't tip them more than 1-2K, a few kind words goes a long way.

Feel free to add to this list, fellow crafters

While I don't disagree with you... It sounds like you could save yourself a lot of headaches by taking the initiative and asking your client some questions beforehand.

Dromede

Lol i wish people followed this list in real life as i work in retail What it comes down to is having respect for each other and realizing that it's ok for some people to be less knowledgeable on the subject than you are. If you have time to craft them armor, take an extra minute to explain them what they are not sure about, and confirm their order in a single whisper to have it 'on record'.

Burning_Talons

Bring you're own mats

Stop giving my name out to pugs afterwards making me gets tons of requesr. Hell I want to play the game

Don't ask for Gold armour and then expect me to use my own mats. FOR FREE

Know your runestones

Bring your down sapphire do you think im a crafting node?

Takes-No-Prisoner

Burning_Talons wrote: »

Stop giving my name out to pugs afterwards making me gets tons of requesr. Hell I want to play the game

I also do this as well. I tell friends and guildmates to keep my services quiet so I can go and enjoy the game. If not, then everyone wants to use your 9-trait do-it-all crafter. Which I don't understand why other folks don't invest in all the crafting trades. There is soo much freedom to be had and sciencing to brew when you have your own characters who can do everything for you. Saves a lot of time, money and headaches.


And logging onto 4-5 different guys with hireling mail and getting gold mats is pretty sweet

starkerealm

Burning_Talons wrote: »

Don't ask for Gold armour and then expect me to use my own mats. FOR FREE

Oh god this.

On a related note, three other things I've run across again, recently.

If you're after a set, please don't ask for a drop set. If you do ask for a drop set, understand that what you're asking for is impossible. I don't care how awesome your guildmates are telling you Vicious Death is, you cannot get anyone to craft it for you.

Don't ask me to cough up the Malechite. Don't ask me to cough up the Dwemer Frames. Those are not cheap.

If you're wanting research pieces, don't assume that 250g is a reasonable tip for Nirnhoned.

Abeille

Thank you for this post. All of the hassle is why I erased my guild notes that said I was a master crafter. I often wasted half of my already limited play time shopping and running to crafting stations to end up not getting paid, or getting paid less than I spent on mats (like a guy who didn't want to pay the a Kuta because the rune he wanted was low level, like if that changed the price of a Kuta at all).

I still offer to craft if someone is looking for a crafter on guild chat and no one steps up, for friends and for new players asking for help, but now I prefer to offer to craft when I'm on the mood instead of being requested to craft whenever.

Ffastyl

The most common slight I get is lack of details.

"Can you make 5 medium hundings?"

• What level
• What slots
• What traits
• What quality
• What style

kip_silverwolf

- Don't expect the crafter to drop everything immediately & rush off to make your armour. Their game time is just as important as yours. Have the patience to wait until they've finished that dungeon, or delve or whatever it was they were doing when you asked.

- be clear and concise when giving out details on what you want. If you want different traits/styles on different pieces, list each piece with full details

- Don't expect the crafter to be a mind reader, especially if you're a stranger to them. If you don't know what you want, how will they? By all means ask for advice, but don't expect the crafter to automatically know your character's build, or your play style without you telling them.

Runs

For crafting I made myself a document and put a tinyurl with the link in my guild note, with mention to read before requesting.

First and foremost my services are free. If you feel like tipping please do so to the guild bank.

Provisioning

Ambrosia I will make if you send me the Perfect Roe if it is for your consumption.

Orzorga's recipes I will need the the 25 of the following materials sent for 1 stack of 100.
Red Frothgar - Clear Water
Blood Price Pie - Violet Coprinus
Triple Trifle Pocket - Columbine
Smoked Bear Haunch - Perfect Roe & White Cap

Other than those I can make all food or drinks with my materials including the tri-stat foods. Just let me know what buffs you are looking for. If you prefer a specific named food/drink so you don’t need to change your quickslot, that’s fine too just let me know which. I will send 1 stack per request for CP 150 and above, for any lower levels I will send 20,

Equipment

9 trait in everything.

I will make up to CP80 rare(blue) equipment along with an rare(blue) enchant using my mats if I have them. If I don’t have them you will have to supply the wood, ingot, cloth and or leather needed.

For CP 90 and higher equipment you will need to supply the wood, ingot, cloth and or leather needed.

For epic(purple) and legendary(yellow) gear you will need to supply the upgrade material needed. For epic(purple) it requires 4 items per piece, for legendary(yellow) it is 8 items per piece as well as the 4 items needed to make it epic(purple) first.

All motifs known with the exception of some Akaviri. If you want a specific style please include the style mats needed to make. If none are sent I will choose 1 style based on what style mats I have on hand and am willing to part with.

Enchanting

Up to CP 150 epic(purple) I will use my own materials.

For CP 160 please include the Repora or Itade that is needed to make.

For legendary(yellow) please include the Kuta that is needed to make.

For prismatic enchants please include the Hakeijo that is needed to make.

I will occasionally make someone glyphs to deconstruct if I know they are leveling enchanting, but I do insist this doesn’t get asked for.

Alchemy

I don’t do alchemy for others.

Please Note

I know the following will seem like it doesn’t need to be said, but in my experiences it does need to be said...

My services are limited to guild members of this guild. Please do not ask for friends in other guilds, and do not sell something I have made. If I see this happen you will be added to my ignore list.

I don’t like shopping. Please do not expect me to go out and find the specific mats needed to craft your gear. As outlined above, I will use my mats on CP 80 and below items if I have them. If I don’t have them, it is up to the person needing the items to find them.

I also include a small spreadsheet of what materials I have available as of last time I checked inventory.

The reasoning for wanting to use my own mats for the smaller stuff... I don't need them, and it ends up being a lot faster using my own vs being sent the wrong ones or wrong amount.

I really don't like tips because I don't want someone thinking because they tipped me 1k for making 2 sets that I am obligated to craft on command for them in the future. This has happened in other games.

I have also found someone selling stuff I have crafted in other games... This infuriates me to no end. I really wish games would give crafters the ability to mail out their crafted items to be BoP for the recipient of the mail.

starkerealm

Abeille wrote: »

...(like a guy who didn't want to pay the a Kuta because the rune he wanted was low level, like if that changed the price of a Kuta at all).

I still remember a guy in Stonefalls trying to get someone to make him a gold set for 5k.

I just kept my mouth shut that time and watched zone rip him appart.

kip_silverwolf

starkerealm wrote: »

If you're wanting research pieces, don't assume that 250g is a reasonable tip for Nirnhoned.

Sometimes I offer to make free research items for my guildies. Even though I always stress that 'nirnhoned' is not included in the offer, I once had someone ask me to make all 9 heavy pieces with nirnhoned for research. I told him if he sent me all the required nirnhoned, I would. When he found out how much they cost a piece though, he quickly changed his mind!

starkerealm

kip_silverwolf wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

If you're wanting research pieces, don't assume that 250g is a reasonable tip for Nirnhoned.

Sometimes I offer to make free research items for my guildies. Even though I always stress that 'nirnhoned' is not included in the offer, I once had someone ask me to make all 9 heavy pieces with nirnhoned for research. I told him if he sent me all the required nirnhoned, I would. When he found out how much they cost a piece though, he quickly changed his mind!

Yeah, I had something similar over the weekend. I asked him if he had the Nirnhoned on hand, and he went, "no, but I can get some quickly." Never heard back.

ArchMikem

Not sure why Crafters would want tips. I'd assume those of you who are master crafters with everything researched to be quite wealthy players as well. What's 1k - 2k gold to you when you already have 100k+?

As long as Materials and civility are provided to the Crafter it doesn't feel like Gold needs to be involved.

kip_silverwolf

ArchMikem wrote: »

Not sure why Crafters would want tips. I'd assume those of you who are master crafters with everything researched to be quite wealthy players as well. What's 1k - 2k gold to you when you already have 100k+?

As long as Materials and civility are provided to the Crafter it doesn't feel like Gold needs to be involved.

For me, tips are a way for the customer to say 'Thankyou for taking the time to craft for me." Personally I don't ask for gold, only for any 'exotic' mats or if I don't have enough. But often I still receive tips because the customer wants to give me something and not feel like a freeloader.

Abeille

ArchMikem wrote: »

Not sure why Crafters would want tips. I'd assume those of you who are master crafters with everything researched to be quite wealthy players as well. What's 1k - 2k gold to you when you already have 100k+?

As long as Materials and civility are provided to the Crafter it doesn't feel like Gold needs to be involved.

It is really a "thank you for your time". Especially if you want your crafter to go to the Imperial City and dodge daedra and members of the opposing alliances to make you a set. It is not needed, but it is polite to tip when someone spends their time on something that is exclusively for your benefit. It is more about being polite than about the value being relevant, in my opinion.

I don't really mind when people don't send me tips, but I get really happy and I feel appreciated when they do.

KochDerDamonen

- It probably took me longer to research 9 traits than you(the person making a request) have been playing the game, to put it in perspective. The combined value of the nirncrux I threw away and the research by the people I learned the trait from probably cost more than the gear you're upgrading from tenfold. Respect the 9 trait sets, drop a bigger tip, show some thanks, do something!
- Don't assume your crafter is also a blacksmithwoodworkerclothierenchanter that dabbles in alchemy and provisioning. This is the case for me, and you should appreciate the one-shop-stop with a bigger tip
- I am a craftsman, not a Tamriel Foundry theory crafting page for your build. I don't know what set is the best for you, which one you're going to have the most fun with, which style "looks best" (please kill me with this question), what your optimal trait options are going to be. If you ask I'll be nice enough to make recommendations and let you know that I am not a master at this, this is a hint that I didn't want you to ask. Know what set you want, please?

blacksanctuary

ArchMikem wrote: »

Not sure why Crafters would want tips. I'd assume those of you who are master crafters with everything researched to be quite wealthy players as well. What's 1k - 2k gold to you when you already have 100k+?

As long as Materials and civility are provided to the Crafter it doesn't feel like Gold needs to be involved.

I always charge for crafting, I am not going to spend 20 to 30 mins of my time for free to craft something for you when I could be spending my time elsewhere.

KochDerDamonen

ArchMikem wrote: »

Not sure why Crafters would want tips. I'd assume those of you who are master crafters with everything researched to be quite wealthy players as well. What's 1k - 2k gold to you when you already have 100k+?

As long as Materials and civility are provided to the Crafter it doesn't feel like Gold needs to be involved.

haha, not all of us! It costs me basically all of my gold just keeping up with the motifs that people want their gear in, let alone having any to buy myself anything nice. In fact, I wear mostly crafted gear just because it's what I have access to. Besides, even if I had more gold on hand, I'm not a charity drive. Maybe to guildmates and friends, but I don't think it's unfair to want to profit from the literal months of time in research alone.

The last time I remember buying things for myself were... Healthy Willpower rings back when that was pretty new but the price had simmered down, and the Akiviri maces motif on a splurge purchase because I had the gold and MORNING STARS YAY. Months apart from eachother, filled inbetween by motif after motif that I didn't want but other people did :c

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO

FloppyTouch wrote: »

I do all my crafting for ppl for free and upgrade it to purple for free even enchanting as long as you supply the mats for the gear

I do this for guildies, but only up to Blue, if they want Purple or Gold, they supply the upgrade materials or have their own crafter upgrade it..

FortheloveofKrist

I assume it's different on PC, but I stopped crafting for people on PS4 because the people who ask are usually the ones who make ridiculous requests. And I'm 9 trait in everything with most styles and plenty of mats. I just can't stand the entitlement. Drives me nuts.

kip_silverwolf

blacksanctuary wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Not sure why Crafters would want tips. I'd assume those of you who are master crafters with everything researched to be quite wealthy players as well. What's 1k - 2k gold to you when you already have 100k+?

As long as Materials and civility are provided to the Crafter it doesn't feel like Gold needs to be involved.

I always charge for crafting, I am not going to spend 20 to 30 mins of my time for free to craft something for you when I could be spending my time elsewhere.

Not to mention the time spent deciphering requests such as these!

and this was after I asked for detailed instructions.... *sigh*

KochDerDamonen

kip_silverwolf wrote: »

blacksanctuary wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Not sure why Crafters would want tips. I'd assume those of you who are master crafters with everything researched to be quite wealthy players as well. What's 1k - 2k gold to you when you already have 100k+?

As long as Materials and civility are provided to the Crafter it doesn't feel like Gold needs to be involved.

I always charge for crafting, I am not going to spend 20 to 30 mins of my time for free to craft something for you when I could be spending my time elsewhere.

Not to mention the time spent deciphering requests such as these!

and this was after I asked for detailed instructions.... *sigh*

Well... at least you have a motif for the head piece, and whether they want shirt or robe

BenevolentBowd

Good discussion.

A while ago, I created a buyers' guide to crafted items on my blog to refer potential customers to.
http://benevolentbowd.ca/esotu/esotu-the-buyers-guide-to-equipment-crafting/

It includes

• the materials and quantities required for the various levels and items
• the number of improvement items required by master crafters
• the various trait descriptions
• a link to descriptions of all the crafted sets which includes the number of traits required by the crafter.

Any suggestions to make it better are appreciated.

kip_silverwolf

Not to mention the time spent deciphering requests such as these!

and this was after I asked for detailed instructions.... *sigh*

Well... at least you have a motif for the head piece, and whether they want shirt or robe [/quote]

hahaha true! Guess it's a start! Usually I always have to ask whether 'robe or shirt' because they fail to specify.

BenevolentBowd wrote: »

Good discussion.

A while ago, I created a buyers' guide to crafted items on my blog to refer potential customers to.
http://benevolentbowd.ca/esotu/esotu-the-buyers-guide-to-equipment-crafting/

Awesome guide @BenevolentBowd !! Well done to you for putting together such an excellent & useful guide! Do you mind if I link it on our guild website?

Pomaikai

If you bring you own mats, that doesn't mean I'm making your armor for free. If we're talking 8-9 trait armor there is a very good chance that I'm going to fight my way there, and that's going to take time. Especially if you're getting a full set made with 5 pieces of one set, and 2-5 of another. If that's the case, then either tip accordingly, or come with me while I'm making your new shineys.

Asking me to run all over creation for 20-45 minutes to make you new stuff for a whopping 1-3k tip total while you have fun running a dungeon, trial, quests, PVP, or just farming crafting nodes is really pretty darned rude. Just some food for thought when commissioning someone to make you armor, or anything else for that matter in this game.

Remember, to get to 9-Traits we've most likely spent hundreds of thousands in gold and 1.5-2 years of time to get there.

starkerealm

kip_silverwolf wrote: »

blacksanctuary wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Not sure why Crafters would want tips. I'd assume those of you who are master crafters with everything researched to be quite wealthy players as well. What's 1k - 2k gold to you when you already have 100k+?

As long as Materials and civility are provided to the Crafter it doesn't feel like Gold needs to be involved.

I always charge for crafting, I am not going to spend 20 to 30 mins of my time for free to craft something for you when I could be spending my time elsewhere.

Not to mention the time spent deciphering requests such as these!

and this was after I asked for detailed instructions.... *sigh*

Clearly this is someone who wanted a mix of vet 1 and Vet 5 pieces of Death's Wind in Argonian. Probably in white.