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Leon119

RebornV3x wrote: »

depends really if your under level CP140 you better bring your own mats I don't mind crafting for lower level guys but its such a pain to find or buy those mats also bring your own style mats especially if its rare. I hate when people tell me they don't know what style so I'm like ok all Breton for you then.

but if you bring your own mats and style and if all gos well I'll provide trait mats except Nirnhorned and will even upgrade the gear to green for a low price

Hey breton looks pretty dam good for a normal race motif

Sheezabeast

Oh wow I came back to find this board booming and not filled with drama! Awesome posts guys, I love a good discussion

starkerealm

Leon119 wrote: »

I have all styles traits and pretty much everything available but i dont do requests unless i feel like helping new starting players in glenumbra who ask for help. A quick lvl 10 julianos/hundings training sets helps
The main reason i dont do general requests outside guildies is that i dont really know what to charge for it ?
What would you guys ask from someone who wants 5 piece TBS set ? (assuming all mats are provided)

Honestly, TBK's pretty easy to get to. I might go as low as 10k on that set, and like I said earlier, if it's a new player who doesn't really understand the game yet, I'm slightly more likely to craft that for them cheaply.

Something like the IC sets... *shudders*

Sheezabeast

I get asked "how much I charge" all the time, and it is awkward to answer. I generally tell them that if everything is correct then to please tip if it is within their budget. I see all kinds of tips, from 1k to 40k. To one person 5k is a lot, to another 5k is chump change.

Khenarthi

Is this the thread for annoyed master crafters? I'm signing up too...

The thing that annoys me more is that most non-crafters expect a new set to be as easy/quick to make as the time it takes them to make a request: they forget that it takes time to reach some of the crafting stations, and even if they're specific about their request, I want them to confirm to me item by item that this is what they want (by linking in chat what I am crafting before I actually press "craft"). So if they cannot spare 20 minutes to do this with me, I won't spare 20 minutes to craft for them.

Nevermind people expecting us to be their all-in-one personal shopper/encyclopaedia/materials bank/fashion advisor... which have been covered by other crafters on this thread.

Eshelmen

Pomaikai wrote: »

If you bring you own mats, that doesn't mean I'm making your armor for free. If we're talking 8-9 trait armor there is a very good chance that I'm going to fight my way there, and that's going to take time. Especially if you're getting a full set made with 5 pieces of one set, and 2-5 of another. If that's the case, then either tip accordingly, or come with me while I'm making your new shineys.

Asking me to run all over creation for 20-45 minutes to make you new stuff for a whopping 1-3k tip total while you have fun running a dungeon, trial, quests, PVP, or just farming crafting nodes is really pretty darned rude. Just some food for thought when commissioning someone to make you armor, or anything else for that matter in this game.

Remember, to get to 9-Traits we've most likely spent hundreds of thousands in gold and 1.5-2 years of time to get there.

Do yourself a favor and set a price then.

I really can't stand when these "Master Crafters" give me a non straight forward answer of "What ever you think I deserve".

/facepalm

It takes two to tango here.

Give it to me straight. How much are you going to charge for this, this and that?

Robbmrp

Great post.

This will however, not take care of those cheap players who feel they are "entitled". Because the world does owe them a living..... NOT!

krees28b14_ESO

I keep it simple when I craft for someone.

1- You are providing the mats for the gear not me. And I mean ALL the mats. No you cannot pay me to use my mats. Go to a guild trader and buy them.

2- Know what you want. If you do not know what level, CP points, style, trait or enchantment I am not going to make it. I am not going to help you with your build. You figure it out and let me know. I will ask questions but will not decipher your code of gear request.

3- No tip equals no more crafting for you. Unless you are in one of my PVE or PVP guilds you better tip or I will not craft anything for you in the future. Trade guilds are just that TRADE guilds, where people make bloody MONEY. I use my own discretion on if I expect a tip from a trade guild member.

Pretty simple, but I reserve the right to refuse to service to anyone.

Korah_Eaglecry

krees28b14_ESO wrote: »

I keep it simple when I craft for someone.

Pretty simple, but I reserve the right to refuse to service to anyone.

This is the one thing I think a lot of non-crafters seem to struggle with. We dont owe you anything, we didnt commit this time and effort just so we could give it away for free (unless thats what you got into it for) and we surely didnt do it so people could be rude to us.

Robbmrp

I wish people would be more prepared when they hire crafters as well. People get so ahead of themselves trying to find a crafter and haven't even made up the final decision yet on style/sets.

If you don't have mats that's fine, at least know what you want and be ready to have it made quickly. Don't waste our time trying to decide on things that you should have had figured out first. Get organized and ready, then ask for crafters.

Ilsabet

BenevolentBowd wrote: »

Good discussion.

A while ago, I created a buyers' guide to crafted items on my blog to refer potential customers to.
http://benevolentbowd.ca/esotu/esotu-the-buyers-guide-to-equipment-crafting/

It includes

• the materials and quantities required for the various levels and items
• the number of improvement items required by master crafters
• the various trait descriptions
• a link to descriptions of all the crafted sets which includes the number of traits required by the crafter.

Any suggestions to make it better are appreciated.

This is awesome. I'ma bookmark it for my own reference.

Danksta

ArchMikem wrote: »

Not sure why Crafters would want tips. I'd assume those of you who are master crafters with everything researched to be quite wealthy players as well. What's 1k - 2k gold to you when you already have 100k+?

As long as Materials and civility are provided to the Crafter it doesn't feel like Gold needs to be involved.

On the other hand there's no reason to be such a cheapskate

ArchMikem wrote: »

Not sure why Crafters would want tips. I'd assume those of you who are master crafters with everything researched to be quite wealthy players as well. What's 1k - 2k gold to you when you already have 100k+?

As long as Materials and civility are provided to the Crafter it doesn't feel like Gold needs to be involved.

I have over 1m, doesn't mean I'm interested in donating my time to strangers.

I consider it a favor to do it for 2k for a whole set. I mean you do realize a lot of crafters have spent several 100 k in motifs and learning traits, right? If you want it for free, have a guildmate do it for you or research the traits yourself.

Robbmrp

ArchMikem wrote: »

Not sure why Crafters would want tips. I'd assume those of you who are master crafters with everything researched to be quite wealthy players as well. What's 1k - 2k gold to you when you already have 100k+?

As long as Materials and civility are provided to the Crafter it doesn't feel like Gold needs to be involved.

@ArchMikem We took the time to research all the traits and spent gold on learning all the styles so we could make anything we want as well as sell that service to others. Just because you provide all the mats doesn't mean it should be for free. If you want things made for free, then you put in the work, time and money as we have and do it yourself.

Just as we have the right to refuse service, you have every right to learn these things for yourself.

ArchMikem

Danksta wrote: »

On the other hand there's no reason to be such a cheapskate

I have over 1m, doesn't mean I'm interested in donating my time to strangers.

I consider it a favor to do it for 2k for a whole set. I mean you do realize a lot of crafters have spent several 100 k in motifs and learning traits, right? If you want it for free, have a guildmate do it for you or research the traits yourself.

Robbmrp wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Not sure why Crafters would want tips. I'd assume those of you who are master crafters with everything researched to be quite wealthy players as well. What's 1k - 2k gold to you when you already have 100k+?

As long as Materials and civility are provided to the Crafter it doesn't feel like Gold needs to be involved.

@ArchMikem We took the time to research all the traits and spent gold on learning all the styles so we could make anything we want as well as sell that service to others. Just because you provide all the mats doesn't mean it should be for free. If you want things made for free, then you put in the work, time and money as we have and do it yourself.

Just as we have the right to refuse service, you have every right to learn these things for yourself.

ArchMikem wrote: »

There's a Crafting Station in the Imperial City? Damn, and here I was thanking the Hell out of my Guildmaster for making me only a few pieces of Julianos cause I didn't have enough traits for them myself. I'd never ask someone go that far out of their way like that.

And I mean I DO like to offer something for their time, I just think Payment shouldn't be required. It's a simple ask politely and either get a yes or no type deal. Even then I personally am striving to craft my own stuff as best I can.

@Danksta @Robbmrp

Since Robb decided to notify me on his "put me in my place" type of post, then the least I could do was notify you guys on the post I had made regarding this back on Page 2 that you seemingly missed. Don't misunderstand me.

NordSwordnBoard

Pink_Violinz wrote: »

Vigarr wrote: »

Oh man I would've been furious and I'm not easily angered by things in game. Does it not show the gold traded when in the trading menu?

He told me last second when I was trading everything over. I was just so pissed that I gave him the stuff and logged out.

COD in the mail - tried that with a guild mate for shts & giggles - quite the anti-troll device for those freeloaders - they have to sit there and look at the attachments but can't have them until they pay.

Danksta

ArchMikem wrote: »

Danksta wrote: »

On the other hand there's no reason to be such a cheapskate

I have over 1m, doesn't mean I'm interested in donating my time to strangers.

I consider it a favor to do it for 2k for a whole set. I mean you do realize a lot of crafters have spent several 100 k in motifs and learning traits, right? If you want it for free, have a guildmate do it for you or research the traits yourself.

Robbmrp wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Not sure why Crafters would want tips. I'd assume those of you who are master crafters with everything researched to be quite wealthy players as well. What's 1k - 2k gold to you when you already have 100k+?

As long as Materials and civility are provided to the Crafter it doesn't feel like Gold needs to be involved.

@ArchMikem We took the time to research all the traits and spent gold on learning all the styles so we could make anything we want as well as sell that service to others. Just because you provide all the mats doesn't mean it should be for free. If you want things made for free, then you put in the work, time and money as we have and do it yourself.

Just as we have the right to refuse service, you have every right to learn these things for yourself.

ArchMikem wrote: »

There's a Crafting Station in the Imperial City? Damn, and here I was thanking the Hell out of my Guildmaster for making me only a few pieces of Julianos cause I didn't have enough traits for them myself. I'd never ask someone go that far out of their way like that.

And I mean I DO like to offer something for their time, I just think Payment shouldn't be required. It's a simple ask politely and either get a yes or no type deal. Even then I personally am striving to craft my own stuff as best I can.

@Danksta @Robbmrp

Since Robb decided to notify me on his "put me in my place" type of post, then the least I could do was notify you guys on the post I had made regarding this back on Page 2 that you seemingly missed. Don't misunderstand me.

No, I saw it and before I did I realized came off way too rude, I apologize.

IcyDeadPeople

@Sheezabeast great list!

I would add that the person sending the request to the crafter needs to expect to allow at least a day or so for the crafter to make the item and send it back.

When crafting items for free as a favor, most are not going to be inclined to drop everything and exit a heated Cyrodiil battle or what have you to immediately craft something the instant they receive any request. Some of us use different crafting characters for blacksmith, clothing, etc., and it takes a bit of time to fulfill a large request.

Vigarr wrote: »

What's a proper asking price when crafting armor, assuming they provide the mats? Do you charge by the piece?

I'm not trying to craft stuff for gold, I just do it as a favor for fellow guild members or friends, so always no charge. They do need to send all the mats and detailed description, though. If they failed to provide 100% of the mats and clear description, I just return the mail to sender.

There certainly seems to be a demand for people who are willing to craft any item and provide all the mats. In this case, you can likely charge a rather high markup.

starkerealm

puffytheslayer wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

puffytheslayer wrote: »

also when a crafter says i need x of this, that and what have you, dont ignore their list & send them 1,000 moonstone and think this is an adequate substitute to 600 rubedite!

I feel like there's a horrifying story behind that one.

Ugh.

luckily i have received enough minor burns as a crafter, that i ask for mats up front, but someone asked for armour master,

i got them to send it in the mail, and it came attached as sorry im a bit short of rubedite will this do?

edt: this was after they a red, i a yellow fought a mini army of blues to get to the craft station....

Oh god. Crap like this is why I get really picky when someone breathes the words Armor Master.

psychotic13

i always pay my crafter very well, don't miss any details out when giving him a list of what I require. And any time I need anything done he's always willing and does it rather quickly, I pay him more than I see most people
charge, hell he was even willing to do it for free the first time we spoke but I like to make my contacts feel like it's worth doing so they never mind going out of there way as they'll be getting benefited from it.

SolarCat02

I craft for free for my guild, and upgrade to at least green too. (Higher depends on the person). This includes provisioning as well.

I don't craft for people outside the guild anymore (exceptions made for newbies who ask intelligent questions). Too many people demanding high-end stuff for free. I am sorry, 50g isn't going to cover a pair of lvl 37 purple sword, never mind the fact you want it in Daedric, Xivkyn, or Soul Shriven but don't have the stones or any other materials. No, 1k is not a ripoff, that's me being nicer than you have proven you deserve, so sling your insults at someone else.

My guild on the other hand, it all comes out in the wash. If I need mats they're usually in the bank already, and if I don't have the motif they want they usually provide that too (or find it to sell to me at a reasonable discount if it's expensive).

I prefer to craft for a community, not the gimme crowd. My game has been much more enjoyable as a result.

bebynnag

as if the person knew this thread was here...

last night

hey can you make me medium eternal hunt, CR160. thing is though im not sure if im gonna like the set, so if it doesnt work out, can i just send it bk to you and you replace it with a hundings rage!

i replied, HA good one not heard that before!

they replied im not joking

i replied LOL! (thats a no)

starkerealm

puffytheslayer wrote: »

as if the person knew this thread was here...

last night

hey can you make me medium eternal hunt, CR160. thing is though im not sure if im gonna like the set, so if it doesnt work out, can i just send it bk to you and you replace it with a hundings rage!

i replied, HA good one not heard that before!

they replied im not joking

i replied LOL! (thats a no)

Yeah, I've seen similar stuff. If I'm feeling generous, this is when I suggest V14 purple for test sets.

If I'm not, I'll ask them to mail me the set back, and wait while they try to move a bound set into the mail.

N0TPLAYER2

N0TPLAYER2 wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Not sure why Crafters would want tips. I'd assume those of you who are master crafters with everything researched to be quite wealthy players as well. What's 1k - 2k gold to you when you already have 100k+?

As long as Materials and civility are provided to the Crafter it doesn't feel like Gold needs to be involved.

It's about time and dedication, appreciation for the craft. I often get asked for me to craft gear. I have every motif in the game and 9 trait on everything.

I've been so abused I've simplified it. I say, I'll make any set you want (a 5/4 or 5/3) I'll turn it blue, provide style mats for basic sets and trait gems. The person wanting a set is to provide all matetials and tannins beyond blue and any style mats that are expensive or rare.

I charge 20k for this.

The serious people figure out what they need, provided items, and get a sick 5/4 armor master trinimac set. They're always happy. 20k is nothing, but an appreciation for my dedication to research, and the close to 5 million gold to have every style unlocked.

The people who argue 20k is too much usually doesn't play enouhh to have a clue about what it really takes to get to where I'm at now. When people argue that it should be free, I often say, feel free to research 5-6-9 traits and buy all the motifs to make it what they want, and then they'll appreciate where I'm coming from.

Again, 20k to get whatever you could possibly desire armor wise isn't much to ask.

I don't bend on this too much. Again it's usually people who expect things for free and aren't a crafter themselves who argue the price.

I do the same for 9-10 glyphs for 10k.

Friends always get a 10k tag (or free) and 4K on glyphs.

Burning_Talons

Oh oh oh I forgot to mention the people who rxpect me to have the new motiff in full 2 days after it releases

starkerealm

Burning_Talons wrote: »

Oh oh oh I forgot to mention the people who rxpect me to have the new motiff in full 2 days after it releases

Bonus points if the new motif hasn't actually been released yet, and still only exists as a drop set. With the actual pages slated for release a couple months from now.

Sheezabeast

starkerealm wrote: »

Burning_Talons wrote: »

Oh oh oh I forgot to mention the people who rxpect me to have the new motiff in full 2 days after it releases

Bonus points if the new motif hasn't actually been released yet, and still only exists as a drop set. With the actual pages slated for release a couple months from now.

On the flip side, I've made some people really really happy when they ask if a set like Torugs is craftable because they don't know It can make you smile how excited people get.

kip_silverwolf

starkerealm wrote: »

Burning_Talons wrote: »

Oh oh oh I forgot to mention the people who rxpect me to have the new motiff in full 2 days after it releases

Bonus points if the new motif hasn't actually been released yet, and still only exists as a drop set. With the actual pages slated for release a couple months from now.

Triple bonus points if it's a costume they want crafted!

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

@Sheezabeast great list!

I would add that the person sending the request to the crafter needs to expect to allow at least a day or so for the crafter to make the item and send it back.

This ^^. Also, the person requesting the armour needs to remember that the crafter may be in a different timezone than them. When I say that I will have the armour made by the afternoon, evening or whatever, I'm referring to my time, not theirs. (this is something I always tell them if I can't make it straight away, but many still don't get it!)

starkerealm

kip_silverwolf wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Burning_Talons wrote: »

Oh oh oh I forgot to mention the people who rxpect me to have the new motiff in full 2 days after it releases

Bonus points if the new motif hasn't actually been released yet, and still only exists as a drop set. With the actual pages slated for release a couple months from now.

Triple bonus points if it's a costume they want crafted!

*Head desks*

I've had people ask about the Nord Hero costume I wear, but I've never had someone assume it was craftable.

ArchMikem

N0TPLAYER2 wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Not sure why Crafters would want tips. I'd assume those of you who are master crafters with everything researched to be quite wealthy players as well. What's 1k - 2k gold to you when you already have 100k+?

As long as Materials and civility are provided to the Crafter it doesn't feel like Gold needs to be involved.

It's about time and dedication, appreciation for the craft. I often get asked for me to craft gear. I have every motif in the game and 9 trait on everything.

I've been so abused I've simplified it. I say, I'll make any set you want (a 5/4 or 5/3) I'll turn it blue, provide style mats for basic sets and trait gems. The person wanting a set is to provide all matetials and tannins beyond blue and any style mats that are expensive or rare.

I charge 20k for this.

The serious people figure out what they need, provided items, and get a sick 5/4 armor master trinimac set. They're always happy. 20k is nothing, but an appreciation for my dedication to research, and the close to 5 million gold to have every style unlocked.

The people who argue 20k is too much usually doesn't play enouhh to have a clue about what it really takes to get to where I'm at now. When people argue that it should be free, I often say, feel free to research 5-6-9 traits and buy all the motifs to make it what they want, and then they'll appreciate where I'm coming from.

Again, 20k to get whatever you could possibly desire armor wise isn't much to ask.

I don't bend on this too much. Again it's usually people who expect things for free and aren't a crafter themselves who argue the price.

I do the same for 9-10 glyphs for 10k.

Friends always get a 10k tag (or free) and 4K on glyphs.

Who are these people and why are they being compared to me? Lol. You're describing such extremely complicated crafting orders I'd never think of requesting personally. The most I've ever asked of another was like two pieces of Julianos in one of the basic 9 Race styles without improvements or glyphs cause I do those myself. I just needed the pieces cause I hadn't researched the 6th trait yet.

If you've got guys coming up and giving you these ridiculous orders then Hell yeah I'd charge em.

starkerealm

ArchMikem wrote: »

N0TPLAYER2 wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Not sure why Crafters would want tips. I'd assume those of you who are master crafters with everything researched to be quite wealthy players as well. What's 1k - 2k gold to you when you already have 100k+?

As long as Materials and civility are provided to the Crafter it doesn't feel like Gold needs to be involved.

It's about time and dedication, appreciation for the craft. I often get asked for me to craft gear. I have every motif in the game and 9 trait on everything.

I've been so abused I've simplified it. I say, I'll make any set you want (a 5/4 or 5/3) I'll turn it blue, provide style mats for basic sets and trait gems. The person wanting a set is to provide all matetials and tannins beyond blue and any style mats that are expensive or rare.

I charge 20k for this.

The serious people figure out what they need, provided items, and get a sick 5/4 armor master trinimac set. They're always happy. 20k is nothing, but an appreciation for my dedication to research, and the close to 5 million gold to have every style unlocked.

The people who argue 20k is too much usually doesn't play enouhh to have a clue about what it really takes to get to where I'm at now. When people argue that it should be free, I often say, feel free to research 5-6-9 traits and buy all the motifs to make it what they want, and then they'll appreciate where I'm coming from.

Again, 20k to get whatever you could possibly desire armor wise isn't much to ask.

I don't bend on this too much. Again it's usually people who expect things for free and aren't a crafter themselves who argue the price.

I do the same for 9-10 glyphs for 10k.

Friends always get a 10k tag (or free) and 4K on glyphs.

Who are these people and why are they being compared to me? Lol. You're describing such extremely complicated crafting orders I'd never think of requesting personally. The most I've ever asked of another was like two pieces of Julianos in one of the basic 9 Race styles without improvements or glyphs cause I do those myself. I just needed the pieces cause I hadn't researched the 6th trait yet.

If you've got guys coming up and giving you these ridiculous orders then Hell yeah I'd charge em.

Because we've all had orders from hell come up at one time or another. To be fair, this has been a horror story thread. 95% of the time when I'm crafting for someone it goes off without a hitch, there's no problems, everybody walks away happy, and if there's a tip, it's simply gravy.

But, about 1 time out of 20, the wheels come off the wagon. Which is the far more entertaining stuff for this thread, even though it's not the norm. You asked about what to tip, and we're all thinking about horror stories... and the wheels come off the wagon.