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kip_silverwolf

starkerealm wrote: »

kip_silverwolf wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Burning_Talons wrote: »

Oh oh oh I forgot to mention the people who rxpect me to have the new motiff in full 2 days after it releases

Bonus points if the new motif hasn't actually been released yet, and still only exists as a drop set. With the actual pages slated for release a couple months from now.

Triple bonus points if it's a costume they want crafted!

*Head desks*

I've had people ask about the Nord Hero costume I wear, but I've never had someone assume it was craftable.

It was the Black Hand Robe they wanted crafted. I was wearing it while at a crafting station in The Gold Coast, when someone came up to me asking if I could craft them 'the armour I was wearing'. It took me awhile to realise they meant the robes! I tried explaining to them I couldn't because it was a costume & you could only get it from the DB questline, but they didn't seem to understand. Just kept saying that they wanted it before starting the questline and insisting I craft it now for them!

dodgehopper_ESO

ArchMikem wrote: »

Not sure why Crafters would want tips. I'd assume those of you who are master crafters with everything researched to be quite wealthy players as well. What's 1k - 2k gold to you when you already have 100k+?

As long as Materials and civility are provided to the Crafter it doesn't feel like Gold needs to be involved.

Because if you're anything like me you'd rather be killing enemy players or npc's that running from crafting station to crafting station and every vendor in the world to find a decent price for materials so someone can have their dapper new uniform. This isn't Star Wars Galaxies, and I can't set up a shop geared up toward selling to a specific clientele. This game has a long way to go before it makes crafting truly enjoyable as a pastime, and to be honest most MMO's do a terrible job with crafting. ESO isn't horrible, but as I said its no SWG in this regard.

dodgehopper_ESO

starkerealm wrote: »

kip_silverwolf wrote: »

blacksanctuary wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Not sure why Crafters would want tips. I'd assume those of you who are master crafters with everything researched to be quite wealthy players as well. What's 1k - 2k gold to you when you already have 100k+?

As long as Materials and civility are provided to the Crafter it doesn't feel like Gold needs to be involved.

I always charge for crafting, I am not going to spend 20 to 30 mins of my time for free to craft something for you when I could be spending my time elsewhere.

Not to mention the time spent deciphering requests such as these!

and this was after I asked for detailed instructions.... *sigh*

Clearly this is someone who wanted a mix of vet 1 and Vet 5 pieces of Death's Wind in Argonian. Probably in white.

I'm just wishing we could color the armor in puke-pink, because it would be awesome for these kinds of situations...

bebynnag

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I'm just wishing we could color the armor in puke-pink, because it would be awesome for these kinds of situations...[/quote]

someone doesnt have their master angler achievment... if that isnt puke pink i dont know what is! LOL

OK OK so ive shared a few horror stories, so here's one thats a little happier

when TG & again when DB got released, i made up a bunch of low level sets of nights silence & dropped them in my guild bank. (light, medium & heavy in training)
no message of the day nothing - they were just there nice styles too,
today i got a message off of a casual player, who said they had just hit level 50 & were still wearing the level 16 set i had put in the bank because they absolutley loved it, and wanted to know what i would need to make them one for their level, that looked just the same.

inv them to a group, so i could travel & look at the armour; explained it may look a little diffrent cause they were vet now, but made them a set, they gave ma a LOT of raw wood/cloth/ore/leather & alchemy ingredients that were 'clogging up their bank'. i gave them 10 K to buy their 1st horse (id have given them more if i had the cash on me)

Dromede

Another story on the happier side - was helping out a guildie from chat - never knew the guy, first or second day in the new guild. Helped him out with some purple glyphs and blue armor, didn't take money and helped to fill in missing mats just because i was in the mood (and also have a severe hoarding problem).

Turns out he was one of the raid officers, and a great experienced group under his command took me (read : carried me) through nMol back when it just got released. Explained the fights, were super-patient, overall gave me great experience.

Moral of the story: it helps to just be helpful sometimes. There are other ways to pay for a favor, and helping out a player with no tipping habit can be considered an investment in certain cases.

Pomaikai

Purple upgrade mats are 200-500g ea depending upon the current market and server. You need 4x of them to make one piece, so 800-2000g per piece in purple for the upgrade mat costs alone.

kurioskurion

Sheezabeast wrote: »

As a crafter who sometimes gets disrespected or taken advantage of, I want to share this list of things you need to do when you procure yourself an armor crafter.

1) Please ask us questions about the amount of materials needed. It's frustrating going all the way out to a crafting station to learn they expected you to use your own materials and they pay you for them and you don't have enough on hand so you have to do their shopping for them and go back to the station. If you don't have time to buy your own materials, why would we?

2) Don't leave out important details in your armor order. If we don't know the style, armor weight, or trait, we can't make it.

3) Please don't be demanding. A little politeness goes a long way. Be respectful, we are doing you a favor, we are not obligated to help you.

4) Appreciate the little things we don't charge for. I personally never charge for essence runes except Hajeiko. I never charge for green crafting mats. I often don't charge for style mats unless its a pricey material. At the end of the day we accept those losses, however small they are. Some charge for every thing needed, some don't. Ask your crafter what to include in your materials, if they don't make you pay for some things, thank them!!!

5) Please tip your crafter! If you don't have gold, ask your crafter what types of things they could use. I've often received tips that were materials, items I could sell, or just pure gold. Show your appreciation for their service even if you can't tip them more than 1-2K, a few kind words goes a long way.

Feel free to add to this list, fellow crafters

I love this.so.very.much.

JKorr

Just finished several sets for people; I wish this thread could be stickied.

At least the ones I did tonight had information that was more detailed than "Make it look kool."

Sheezabeast

JKorr wrote: »

Just finished several sets for people; I wish this thread could be stickied.

At least the ones I did tonight had information that was more detailed than "Make it look kool."

ohh If I had a Tempering Alloy for every time I got told to make something cool I would be a blinged out gangsta

Robbmrp

ArchMikem wrote: »

Danksta wrote: »

On the other hand there's no reason to be such a cheapskate

I have over 1m, doesn't mean I'm interested in donating my time to strangers.

I consider it a favor to do it for 2k for a whole set. I mean you do realize a lot of crafters have spent several 100 k in motifs and learning traits, right? If you want it for free, have a guildmate do it for you or research the traits yourself.

Robbmrp wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Not sure why Crafters would want tips. I'd assume those of you who are master crafters with everything researched to be quite wealthy players as well. What's 1k - 2k gold to you when you already have 100k+?

As long as Materials and civility are provided to the Crafter it doesn't feel like Gold needs to be involved.

@ArchMikem We took the time to research all the traits and spent gold on learning all the styles so we could make anything we want as well as sell that service to others. Just because you provide all the mats doesn't mean it should be for free. If you want things made for free, then you put in the work, time and money as we have and do it yourself.

Just as we have the right to refuse service, you have every right to learn these things for yourself.

ArchMikem wrote: »

There's a Crafting Station in the Imperial City? Damn, and here I was thanking the Hell out of my Guildmaster for making me only a few pieces of Julianos cause I didn't have enough traits for them myself. I'd never ask someone go that far out of their way like that.

And I mean I DO like to offer something for their time, I just think Payment shouldn't be required. It's a simple ask politely and either get a yes or no type deal. Even then I personally am striving to craft my own stuff as best I can.

@Danksta @Robbmrp

Since Robb decided to notify me on his "put me in my place" type of post, then the least I could do was notify you guys on the post I had made regarding this back on Page 2 that you seemingly missed. Don't misunderstand me.

@ArchMikem my reply was only for your comment on the first page. Had you mentioned there that "other" compensation would be provided instead of gold, you wouldn't have had half the replies from people that you've received.

Avidspark

I always tell them my terms upfront...your mats, what my base charge is, and extra for extras like hard to get styles, nirnhoned, etc., and ask them what item(s)/style/level/trait(s)/type(weight)/set(s) Gotta know all six parameters.

I ask them to mail me mats, with details, so I have verification I can refer to. I always type back their order in chat (easier for me to look up that way anyway) so they can verify it's right...before I start making it. They must verify first.

I haven't had issues with this system, and quite often get tipped more than my basic charge

But thanks for letting craftees know this info, I'm sure it'll help when they make their next order...if they've read it

Elmour0Fudd

starkerealm wrote: »

Lariana wrote: »

On a separate note, one of my fellow crafters will make argonian gear for anyone and everyone who doesn't specify what style they want; newbies find it pretty funny and learn quickly, but the ones who get CP 160 gear rage a lot (which is also funny).

Yeah, if someone gets on my nerves, and hasn't specified a style, they're getting Argonian.

If it's honestly someone who doesn't know the motifs, and is new to the game, I'll usually lean towards Ancient Elf.

lol i'd go for Primal lol

abigfishy

blacksanctuary wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Not sure why Crafters would want tips. I'd assume those of you who are master crafters with everything researched to be quite wealthy players as well. What's 1k - 2k gold to you when you already have 100k+?

As long as Materials and civility are provided to the Crafter it doesn't feel like Gold needs to be involved.

I always charge for crafting, I am not going to spend 20 to 30 mins of my time for free to craft something for you when I could be spending my time elsewhere.

Exactly I could be gaining levels or gold myself. I will craft for people but it takes my time and that is not free unless they are a friend or a good guildie.

Silver_Strider

"I don't have the mats but I can pay you."

"If you have the money to pay someone for their mats, you can go and buy the mats yourself, then I'll craft you your gear."

"But I don't know what materials I need."

"Then you probably also don't know what set/trait/style/pieces you want crafted either."

"I know all that."

"THEN, HOW TF DO YOU NOT KNOW WHAT MATERIALS YOU NEED?"

Every single conversation I have with randoms about crafting stuff for them. I don't mind helping out a guildmate but when I get asked by someone if I can craft XYZ, I expect you to supply me with the mats, I'll throw in the style stone (if it's fairly common), trait stone and even upgrade to purple for free but if you expect me to upgrade it to gold and expect me to use my tempers for it, I'm just done with you.

jedtb16_ESO

necroooooooooooooooooo..............................................

when your mother said 'go and make friends' this is not what she meant.


sorry, can't find the pic to go with this.

starkerealm

Silver_Strider wrote: »

"I don't have the mats but I can pay you."

"If you have the money to pay someone for their mats, you can go and buy the mats yourself, then I'll craft you your gear."

"But I don't know what materials I need."

"Then you probably also don't know what set/trait/style/pieces you want crafted either."

"I know all that."

"THEN, HOW TF DO YOU NOT KNOW WHAT MATERIALS YOU NEED?"

*headdesks*

I wish I could say I couldn't relate.

Also, those idiots that think 5k is more than enough to cover upgrading 10 pieces of gear to gold.

starkerealm

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

necroooooooooooooooooo..............................................

when your mother said 'go and make friends' this is not what she meant.


sorry, can't find the pic to go with this.

Yeah, but this is the good kind of necromancy. What the Dunmer call "divine necromancy." The kind that wants you to craft them five piece Vipers, and Hunding's Jewelry.

Prof_Bawbag

I really do agree with the people who say a genuine "thank you" is worth more than any amount of gold. The two last randoms I've crafted for, I initially set out to charge them around 7k just for the time needed. However, they were obviously delighted at receiving the items and went beyond just typing something like "THX" and as such, I told them it was on the house. They did provide the mats and the Kutas for the glyphs, so I never really used anything of any great value from my own stock. I'm a sucker for manners and would rather make a small loss than charge someone who has obviously appreciated the time and effort I've put in.

The last message I received from one of the aforementioned randoms actually made me smile and the warm and fuzzy feeling you get from that is worth more than anything you can obtain in-game.

Sheezabeast

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

I really do agree with the people who say a genuine "thank you" is worth more than any amount of gold. The two last randoms I've crafted for, I initially set out to charge them around 7k just for the time needed. However, they were obviously delighted at receiving the items and went beyond just typing something like "THX" and as such, I told them it was on the house. They did provide the mats and the Kutas for the glyphs, so I never really used anything of any great value from my own stock. I'm a sucker for manners and would rather make a small loss than charge someone who has obviously appreciated the time and effort I've put in.

The last message I received from one of the aforementioned randoms actually made me smile and the warm and fuzzy feeling you get from that is worth more than anything you can obtain in-game.

Ya it's a wonderful feeling when you make a lowbie a set of gear and they excitedly whisper you telling you how bad-ass their armor is! And how much more damage they're doing. It's so nice to see people genuinely grateful for your handiwork.