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(93% Support) Should Training and Prosperous be taken out of loot tables for end-game content?

MrTarkanian48
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This seems to be a large pain point for the player base. It seemed that many voiced their opinions in the last PTS, but no change was implemented. So another PTS, another poll.

Should items with Training and Prosperous be eliminated from the loot tables for the following end-game areas: Undaunted Chests, Loot drops from bosses in 4-man dungeons and 12-man trials, Chest drops from Vet Maelstrom Arena, Drops from Vet Dragonstar Arena, and Gear vendors in Cyrodiil and IC?
Edited by MrTarkanian48 on October 7, 2016 9:01PM
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(93% Support) Should Training and Prosperous be taken out of loot tables for end-game content? 377 votes

Yes. Take them out of all.
91%
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No. Leave them in all.
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  • dsalter
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    i say just lower the rate, we need filler to encourage repeat runs of say PvE, but i have to admit those 2 specific traits are FAR to common
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  • Dracane
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    Yes. Take them out of all.
    Training is not usefull at all. Prosperous is always equally usefull/useless because gold is always needed.
    Both are traits, that don't add any benefits to your combat strenght and since this is what most people want, I say remove them AT LEAST from max level gear.

    And I say this for other people. I myself don't really mind. But I definately received a few annoying training and prosperous pieces from tel var boxes and since 2 more useless traits make it less likely to get the trait I want....
    Edited by Dracane on June 29, 2016 7:57PM
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  • Oakmontowls_ESO
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    Yes. Take them out of all.
    They seem to be heavily weighted in the favor of training and prosperous gear in the drop rate of end game gear which is absolutely ridiculous. However they appear to have done this intentionally in order to water down the loot tables so I doubt they will remove them from the drop tables.
  • Nebthet78
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    Yes. Take them out of all.
    Yes, take them out of all end game runs. I am finding that while I have started to get Monster helm drops FINALLY.. All I am getting them in is Prosperous. Crap traits like those should not be dropping on end game gear.
    Far too many characters to list any more.
  • RoyJade
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    Yes. Take them out of all.
    I tried to perform the black sacrament against them, but still here… and more than everything else.
  • Preyfar
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    Other. (Explain)
    Leave them as drops, but remove the from chest/weekly/vault rewards. Every single -- and I mean EVERY SINGLE -- ICP and WGT vault key I've used has given me one training and one prosperous item. With every boss dropping and item why are the vaults constantly dropping crap?

    Vaults, reward chests and weeklies should be something to look forward to.
  • phaneub17_ESO
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    No. Leave them in all.
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  • Beardimus
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    No. Leave them in all.
    I understood drop rate went UP, but they added the traits. So its a good thing overall no? I.e. You will get a helm / shoulder earlier just might not be the one perfect. I guess it depends on the RNG rate.
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  • MrTarkanian48
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    Yes. Take them out of all.
    Bump
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  • Turelus
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    No. Leave them in all.
    As per your other poll no.

    I think all areas (PvP Vendor and PvE drops/chests) should have a chance at selling/dropping all traits so everyone has access to every type.

    With the update that Gold Chests have a guaranteed drop of a shoulder part and the ability to trade within dungeons players just got a wider chance of the items they want which means expanding the drop types is less damaging.

    I would say the NPC in Cyrodiil could do with offering two or three sets a week if it moved to selling all traits however.
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  • IxskullzxI
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    Yes. Take them out of all.
    There is no reason they should be on end game gear. There is also no reason impen was removed from the loot table.
    Edited by IxskullzxI on June 30, 2016 2:38PM
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  • geophonic_ESO
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    Yes. Take them out of all.
    End Game Gear should be exactly that, END GAME. No need for useless traits, because all it does it that your greatest battles will be versus the RNG instead of the enemies.
  • MrTarkanian48
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    Yes. Take them out of all.
    Turelus wrote: »
    As per your other poll no.

    I think all areas (PvP Vendor and PvE drops/chests) should have a chance at selling/dropping all traits so everyone has access to every type.

    With the update that Gold Chests have a guaranteed drop of a shoulder part and the ability to trade within dungeons players just got a wider chance of the items they want which means expanding the drop types is less damaging.

    I would say the NPC in Cyrodiil could do with offering two or three sets a week if it moved to selling all traits however.

    @Turelus Thank you for your opinion.

    Could you explain why you would want Training or Prosperous on a Monster Helm or sets dropped from end-game dungeons or trials?

    Most of this content requires you to perform at a certain level to complete, which would assume that you already need to have gear that is superior to Training and prosperous, making these drops unappealing.

    If you really wanted sets for grinding or getting maximum gold, wouldnt it be easier to just craft those sets, so you have a complete set? Also, would it be necessary to have a training kena helm to grind seeing as how most of that content is relatively easy?

    IF they brought back Impenetrable, and took out Prosperous and Training, there would still be a huge RNG element, but at least it would be limited to mostly useful traits.
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  • Turelus
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    No. Leave them in all.
    @MrTarkanian48 simply for the fact I feel the game is better with all options available to everyone.

    There maybe players out there with farming character for either XP or Gold which also wish to have a faster/stronger build and might use these sets to achieve that. Seeing as they would sacrifice their normal strong traits for the farming ones there would be a desire for a stronger set bonus.

    As I said though this would be on the grounds that traits being in the loot table is balanced against higher drops of the items giving payers more rolls on the RNG table of doom.
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  • Ghost-Shot
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    Yes. Take them out of all.
    Get rid of prosperous/training and give us back impen!
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  • timidobserver
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    Yes. Take them out of all.
    Take 3-4 of the crap traits and merge them into one trait.
    Edited by timidobserver on June 30, 2016 7:29PM
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  • Akimbro
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    Yes. Take them out of all.
    Take them out, and put impen in. The drop rate won't change much and most traits will actually be usable.
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  • Ghost-Shot
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    Yes. Take them out of all.
    Turelus wrote: »
    @MrTarkanian48 simply for the fact I feel the game is better with all options available to everyone.

    There maybe players out there with farming character for either XP or Gold which also wish to have a faster/stronger build and might use these sets to achieve that. Seeing as they would sacrifice their normal strong traits for the farming ones there would be a desire for a stronger set bonus.

    As I said though this would be on the grounds that traits being in the loot table is balanced against higher drops of the items giving payers more rolls on the RNG table of doom.

    In my opinion that is what crafted gear is for, not end game gear.
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  • Rainteal
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    Yes. Take them out of all.
    Those traits simply water down the loot table. They are complete trash. I have no empirical data to back up my suspicion, but anecdotally, I have seen sooooooooo many more of these garbage traits drop than anything good, and I believe that it is intentional.

    End game gear should be just that, end game gear. If you want those niche traits, craft a set with them.
  • Oakmontowls_ESO
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    Yes. Take them out of all.
    Turelus wrote: »
    @MrTarkanian48 simply for the fact I feel the game is better with all options available to everyone.

    There maybe players out there with farming character for either XP or Gold which also wish to have a faster/stronger build and might use these sets to achieve that. Seeing as they would sacrifice their normal strong traits for the farming ones there would be a desire for a stronger set bonus.

    As I said though this would be on the grounds that traits being in the loot table is balanced against higher drops of the items giving payers more rolls on the RNG table of doom.

    @Turelus There is the problem with this logic since prosperous is actually inferior to the new impenetrable in terms of gold farming unless you are throwing the gear away without repairing it
    https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/273766/why-prosperous-is-preposterous
    Edited by Oakmontowls_ESO on June 30, 2016 7:45PM
  • quadraxis666
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    Yes. Take them out of all.
    Zos has a proven track record of completely ignoring player feedback. Those traits are going to stay no matter how much we shout.
  • MrTarkanian48
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    Yes. Take them out of all.
    Bump
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  • Darlon
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    Argh... Misvoted.... Should of course be YES!
  • ContraTempo
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    Yes. Take them out of all.
    Duh.
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  • timidobserver
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    Yes. Take them out of all.
    Poll is pretty unanimous.
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  • Mush55
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    Yes. Take them out of all.
    Still trying to get decent traits on my end game stuff, so need training, well fitted , and preposterous on my stuff so useful.

    Just adding more grind to the grind....
  • Dubhliam
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    Other. (Explain)
    Other: I would not mind leaving Training and Prosperous IF they at least include Sturdy and Impenetrable along with those two.

    Certain loot tables were updated in DB DLC to include Training and Prosperous, but Impenetrable and Sturdy was not included.
    Where is the logic in that?

    @Turelus : we don't have all options, only Training and Prosperous were added to certain loot tables.
    Yes, Monster sets have a better drop rate now (and also come in Sturdy), but WGT and ICP sets don't have a higher drop rate, yet they now include Training and Prosperous, without including Sturdy, Impenetrable or Nirnhoned (okay, Nirn is not a typical drop trait).
    Edited by Dubhliam on July 2, 2016 6:37AM
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  • Armitas
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    Infernal Maw on the Golden Vendor in PvP for 2 weeks in a row!!!!

    Put impenetrable on the loot table so we can get the gear we need in a year please.
    Edited by Armitas on July 2, 2016 10:30AM
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  • davidcombs7
    Yes. Take them out of all.
    Beat molag kena for the first time on hard and got a prosperous head piece, useless with my tbs set.... decontructed last night.
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  • svartorn
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    Yes. Take them out of all.
    I feel like all I get is training. 10 vWGT tower runs yesterday and all my SPC pieces are training, with a few posperous and sturdy. ZERO divines or infused.
    Edited by svartorn on July 3, 2016 9:15PM
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