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Let's talk about why there is no Magic Damage increase passive
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Destruent✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I played argonian on PTS as a tank, my healer is argonian too and the passives are actually good for those roles. If you don't like them it's not the passives fault.Noobplar0 -
Junkogen✭✭✭✭✭I played argonian on PTS as a tank, my healer is argonian too and the passives are actually good for those roles. If you don't like them it's not the passives fault.
If you say so. I disagree and I think a lot of tanks would, too. Their healing passive used to be good for tanks. Now, not so much. Anyway, you played it on PTS. I played it for the last 2 years as my main. I'm not coming from a place of ignorance. I've played the other races, optimized for Stam or magicka and the difference is clear. There is a reason why people min/max with those races and not Argonians. I'm ready to jump on the bandwagon.
It just sucks that the Pact races are last place in all their respective stats. We don't have an Altmer or a Redguard or the new Khajiits. It is what it is. The devs obviously don't see what the players see.Edited by Junkogen on July 2, 2016 3:13PM0 -
Destruent✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I played argonian on PTS as a tank, my healer is argonian too and the passives are actually good for those roles. If you don't like them it's not the passives fault.
If you say so. I disagree and I think a lot of tanks would, too. Their healing passive used to be good for tanks. Now, not so much. Anyway, you played it on PTS. I played it for the last 2 years as my main. I'm not coming from a place of ignorance. I've played the other races, optimized for Stam or magicka and the difference is clear. There is a reason why people min/max with those races and not Argonians. I'm ready to jump on the bandwagon.
There is also a reason we call bretons useless in it's current state on PTS, but i guess you won't get it ^^Noobplar0 -
Junkogen✭✭✭✭✭I played argonian on PTS as a tank, my healer is argonian too and the passives are actually good for those roles. If you don't like them it's not the passives fault.
If you say so. I disagree and I think a lot of tanks would, too. Their healing passive used to be good for tanks. Now, not so much. Anyway, you played it on PTS. I played it for the last 2 years as my main. I'm not coming from a place of ignorance. I've played the other races, optimized for Stam or magicka and the difference is clear. There is a reason why people min/max with those races and not Argonians. I'm ready to jump on the bandwagon.
There is also a reason we call bretons useless in it's current state on PTS, but i guess you won't get it ^^
Useless? That's a gross exaggeration. On the current PTS. Nothing has changed about them and neither has any other magicka race.0 -
Destruent✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I played argonian on PTS as a tank, my healer is argonian too and the passives are actually good for those roles. If you don't like them it's not the passives fault.
If you say so. I disagree and I think a lot of tanks would, too. Their healing passive used to be good for tanks. Now, not so much. Anyway, you played it on PTS. I played it for the last 2 years as my main. I'm not coming from a place of ignorance. I've played the other races, optimized for Stam or magicka and the difference is clear. There is a reason why people min/max with those races and not Argonians. I'm ready to jump on the bandwagon.
There is also a reason we call bretons useless in it's current state on PTS, but i guess you won't get it ^^
Useless? That's a gross exaggeration. On the current PTS. Nothing has changed about them and neither has any other magicka race.
So tell me one roll where bretons are better than any other race.Noobplar0 -
Nifty2g✭✭✭✭✭
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Since I don't have PTS, I went and gave it a try to see if max magic vs healing done. Results were interesting I suppose
So you're saying in this instance a Breton will hit harder spells than an Argonian
then what is 9% healing given? Healing spells hit for way more than enough now. 9% healing given is downright worthless.
Lol what... Argonians are the best healers now, that healing done is a flat percentage. The max magicka is a percentage based off of your current. You get more from the Argonian passive in terms of healingand yes, i want to give them more because as it stands as i have said countless times, there is no ways to increase magic damage
@wrobel could we please get a word in here
What about your 10% max magicka boost and elemental CP star boost of another 25%? Sounds like you can boost it enough right there. Also, you're a magicka Templar? You're just being greedy. You need dark flare to instakill or something?
That's still 7% less compared to flame damage and 4% less compared to frost and shock damage. This would be a great way to make bretons a viable dps-race. Because atm it's just good for nothing
Then why not make every race a viable DPS race? Your argument is baseless. Bretons put out plenty damage with 10% max magicka.
I just completely disagree with the entire premise of this thread. Again, other races have much more valid complaints. You guys are like the billionaire class asking for more tax relief.
I know there are other races who can complain (mainly nords, maybe bosmer), but most races are best in one roll. Bretons in it's current state are outclassed by dunmer/altmer for dps and argonians for healing.
How are Bretons outclassed by Argonians for healing? You have 10% max magicka. That's way better than 9% healing given. Your argument is baseless. Bretons have magicka resistance and cost reduction. Now you want more damage? They're buffing other races to get to the Altmer/Breton level. You seem to not understand why other races are getting buffs. Buffing Altmer/Breton defeats the purpose.
Spell resistance is nice but meh, you can hit cap fairly easy as a templar.
Cost reduction compared to the amount of sustain argonians just got handed? yea... cost reduction is fairly crap at end game level
Bretons I'm going to say right now are one of the weakest classes, along side nord. What is your argument, why are you just disagreeing? I don't think you understand what it is I am asking for... Magic Damage will benefit a lot of players and playstyles, not just templars
So 3% max magicka for argonian, and 9% healing done.and 12% of your max resources etc (incredible sustain)Amphibious: This passive ability has been renamed to “Resourceful.” Also, it no longer increases your swimming speed by 50%. It now increases your Max Magicka by 1/2/3%, and continues to restore 4/8/12% of your Max Health, Magicka, and Stamina whenever you drink a potion.
Quick to Mend: This passive ability now increases your healing done by 3/6/9%, instead of increasing your healing received by 3/6/9%.
Bretons, 3% cost reduction (really bad)
10% max magicka
so the comparison is, 7% max magicka vs 9% healing done. I don't think I need to explain which is obviously better
I know. I would take the 7% max magicka versus the healing done any day of the week. In fact I would give the healing done for pretty much any other passive. That's how worthless it is for the aforementioned reason.
No Altmer Passive (7% max magic for 2 points allocated)
Trait: Powered (6% Healing Done for purple quality)
Spell: Rushed Ceremony
Non Critical: 5223
Critical: 7834
Yes Altmer Passive (7% max magic for 2 points allocated)
Trait: Precise (No Healing Done)
Spell: Rushed Ceremony
Non Critical: 5114
Critical: 7716
HUH, well I'll be dammed, it seems even with 1% less, healing done does more than max magic. So now I'll ask you again, do you prefer 7% max magic or 9% healing done.Edited by Nifty2g on July 2, 2016 3:32PM#MOREORBS0 -
hedna123b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »
10% max magicka or stamina is the best passive in the game, hands down. Do you not know how damage is calculated? If magicka resistance is meh, then what is 9% healing given? Healing spells hit for way more than enough now. 9% healing given is downright worthless.
Lol what... Argonians are the best healers now, that healing done is a flat percentage. The max magicka is a percentage based off of your current. You get more from the Argonian passive in terms of healingand yes, i want to give them more because as it stands as i have said countless times, there is no ways to increase magic damage
@wrobel could we please get a word in here
What about your 10% max magicka boost and elemental CP star boost of another 25%? Sounds like you can boost it enough right there. Also, you're a magicka Templar? You're just being greedy. You need dark flare to instakill or something?
That's still 7% less compared to flame damage and 4% less compared to frost and shock damage. This would be a great way to make bretons a viable dps-race. Because atm it's just good for nothing
Then why not make every race a viable DPS race? Your argument is baseless. Bretons put out plenty damage with 10% max magicka.
I just completely disagree with the entire premise of this thread. Again, other races have much more valid complaints. You guys are like the billionaire class asking for more tax relief.
I know there are other races who can complain (mainly nords, maybe bosmer), but most races are best in one roll. Bretons in it's current state are outclassed by dunmer/altmer for dps and argonians for healing.
How are Bretons outclassed by Argonians for healing? You have 10% max magicka. That's way better than 9% healing given. Your argument is baseless. Bretons have magicka resistance and cost reduction. Now you want more damage? They're buffing other races to get to the Altmer/Breton level. You seem to not understand why other races are getting buffs. Buffing Altmer/Breton defeats the purpose.
Spell resistance is nice but meh, you can hit cap fairly easy as a templar.
Cost reduction compared to the amount of sustain argonians just got handed? yea... cost reduction is fairly crap at end game level
Bretons I'm going to say right now are one of the weakest classes, along side nord. What is your argument, why are you just disagreeing? I don't think you understand what it is I am asking for... Magic Damage will benefit a lot of players and playstyles, not just templars
My argument is that your just furthering the imbalance by asking for what your asking. If Bretons get a damage increase, I know which race I'll be switching to. So I guess I'll shut up and see if ZOS will actually go along with what you're proposing.
Personally I am definitely for giving other races better buffs, but Bretons do indeed lack the magic damage buff that they deserve. I would give Bretons the magic damage and then buff the other races with something that gives them a unique flavor. I would take 10% stam and poison damage on a bosmer, etc....
10% max stamina and more damage in addition to the 21% Stam regen? Am I reading that proposition correctly?
Half the regen if you want....no one in endgame needs regen if you have a good group, but I'll take half regen for damage any day. As it stands no one in endgame plays boomer by choice.1 -
hedna123b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭I played argonian on PTS as a tank, my healer is argonian too and the passives are actually good for those roles. If you don't like them it's not the passives fault.
If you say so. I disagree and I think a lot of tanks would, too. Their healing passive used to be good for tanks. Now, not so much. Anyway, you played it on PTS. I played it for the last 2 years as my main. I'm not coming from a place of ignorance. I've played the other races, optimized for Stam or magicka and the difference is clear. There is a reason why people min/max with those races and not Argonians. I'm ready to jump on the bandwagon.
There is also a reason we call bretons useless in it's current state on PTS, but i guess you won't get it ^^
Useless? That's a gross exaggeration. On the current PTS. Nothing has changed about them and neither has any other magicka race.
No one uses Bretons in endgame PVE by choice. Sustain is not an issue for magicka or stamina if you have a good group, so all they offer is 10% max magicka. Resistance again is of no consequence, just take my 16.5k life altmer templar who doesn't use channeled focus and doesn't die...2 -
Junkogen✭✭✭✭✭
Since I don't have PTS, I went and gave it a try to see if max magic vs healing done. Results were interesting I suppose
So you're saying in this instance a Breton will hit harder spells than an Argonian
then what is 9% healing given? Healing spells hit for way more than enough now. 9% healing given is downright worthless.
Lol what... Argonians are the best healers now, that healing done is a flat percentage. The max magicka is a percentage based off of your current. You get more from the Argonian passive in terms of healingand yes, i want to give them more because as it stands as i have said countless times, there is no ways to increase magic damage
@wrobel could we please get a word in here
What about your 10% max magicka boost and elemental CP star boost of another 25%? Sounds like you can boost it enough right there. Also, you're a magicka Templar? You're just being greedy. You need dark flare to instakill or something?
That's still 7% less compared to flame damage and 4% less compared to frost and shock damage. This would be a great way to make bretons a viable dps-race. Because atm it's just good for nothing
Then why not make every race a viable DPS race? Your argument is baseless. Bretons put out plenty damage with 10% max magicka.
I just completely disagree with the entire premise of this thread. Again, other races have much more valid complaints. You guys are like the billionaire class asking for more tax relief.
I know there are other races who can complain (mainly nords, maybe bosmer), but most races are best in one roll. Bretons in it's current state are outclassed by dunmer/altmer for dps and argonians for healing.
How are Bretons outclassed by Argonians for healing? You have 10% max magicka. That's way better than 9% healing given. Your argument is baseless. Bretons have magicka resistance and cost reduction. Now you want more damage? They're buffing other races to get to the Altmer/Breton level. You seem to not understand why other races are getting buffs. Buffing Altmer/Breton defeats the purpose.
Spell resistance is nice but meh, you can hit cap fairly easy as a templar.
Cost reduction compared to the amount of sustain argonians just got handed? yea... cost reduction is fairly crap at end game level
Bretons I'm going to say right now are one of the weakest classes, along side nord. What is your argument, why are you just disagreeing? I don't think you understand what it is I am asking for... Magic Damage will benefit a lot of players and playstyles, not just templars
So 3% max magicka for argonian, and 9% healing done.and 12% of your max resources etc (incredible sustain)Amphibious: This passive ability has been renamed to “Resourceful.” Also, it no longer increases your swimming speed by 50%. It now increases your Max Magicka by 1/2/3%, and continues to restore 4/8/12% of your Max Health, Magicka, and Stamina whenever you drink a potion.
Quick to Mend: This passive ability now increases your healing done by 3/6/9%, instead of increasing your healing received by 3/6/9%.
Bretons, 3% cost reduction (really bad)
10% max magicka
so the comparison is, 7% max magicka vs 9% healing done. I don't think I need to explain which is obviously better
I know. I would take the 7% max magicka versus the healing done any day of the week. In fact I would give the healing done for pretty much any other passive. That's how worthless it is for the aforementioned reason.
No Altmer Passive (7% max magic for 2 points allocated)
Trait: Powered (6% Healing Done for purple quality)
Spell: Rushed Ceremony
Non Critical: 5223
Critical: 7834
Yes Altmer Passive (7% max magic for 2 points allocated)
Trait: Precise (No Healing Done)
Spell: Rushed Ceremony
Non Critical: 5114
Critical: 7716
HUH, well I'll be dammed, it seems even with 1% less, healing done does more than max magic. So now I'll ask you again, do you prefer 7% max magic or 9% healing done.
I would take the 7% max magicka and you know you would, too. Are you going to switch races? Of course not, because you know I'm right.
Like I said, it doesn't matter anyway. I've given up on ZOS. It is what it is. If you can make the other magicka races that much stronger with this magicka damage crusade, then it will make my switch all the easier.Edited by Junkogen on July 3, 2016 12:58AM0 -
Nifty2g✭✭✭✭✭
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If I was to make a healer, as most end game healers are probably planing to do, I will go Argonian.
Since I don't have PTS, I went and gave it a try to see if max magic vs healing done. Results were interesting I suppose
So you're saying in this instance a Breton will hit harder spells than an Argonian
then what is 9% healing given? Healing spells hit for way more than enough now. 9% healing given is downright worthless.
Lol what... Argonians are the best healers now, that healing done is a flat percentage. The max magicka is a percentage based off of your current. You get more from the Argonian passive in terms of healingand yes, i want to give them more because as it stands as i have said countless times, there is no ways to increase magic damage
@wrobel could we please get a word in here
What about your 10% max magicka boost and elemental CP star boost of another 25%? Sounds like you can boost it enough right there. Also, you're a magicka Templar? You're just being greedy. You need dark flare to instakill or something?
That's still 7% less compared to flame damage and 4% less compared to frost and shock damage. This would be a great way to make bretons a viable dps-race. Because atm it's just good for nothing
Then why not make every race a viable DPS race? Your argument is baseless. Bretons put out plenty damage with 10% max magicka.
I just completely disagree with the entire premise of this thread. Again, other races have much more valid complaints. You guys are like the billionaire class asking for more tax relief.
I know there are other races who can complain (mainly nords, maybe bosmer), but most races are best in one roll. Bretons in it's current state are outclassed by dunmer/altmer for dps and argonians for healing.
How are Bretons outclassed by Argonians for healing? You have 10% max magicka. That's way better than 9% healing given. Your argument is baseless. Bretons have magicka resistance and cost reduction. Now you want more damage? They're buffing other races to get to the Altmer/Breton level. You seem to not understand why other races are getting buffs. Buffing Altmer/Breton defeats the purpose.
Spell resistance is nice but meh, you can hit cap fairly easy as a templar.
Cost reduction compared to the amount of sustain argonians just got handed? yea... cost reduction is fairly crap at end game level
Bretons I'm going to say right now are one of the weakest classes, along side nord. What is your argument, why are you just disagreeing? I don't think you understand what it is I am asking for... Magic Damage will benefit a lot of players and playstyles, not just templars
So 3% max magicka for argonian, and 9% healing done.and 12% of your max resources etc (incredible sustain)Amphibious: This passive ability has been renamed to “Resourceful.” Also, it no longer increases your swimming speed by 50%. It now increases your Max Magicka by 1/2/3%, and continues to restore 4/8/12% of your Max Health, Magicka, and Stamina whenever you drink a potion.
Quick to Mend: This passive ability now increases your healing done by 3/6/9%, instead of increasing your healing received by 3/6/9%.
Bretons, 3% cost reduction (really bad)
10% max magicka
so the comparison is, 7% max magicka vs 9% healing done. I don't think I need to explain which is obviously better
I know. I would take the 7% max magicka versus the healing done any day of the week. In fact I would give the healing done for pretty much any other passive. That's how worthless it is for the aforementioned reason.
No Altmer Passive (7% max magic for 2 points allocated)
Trait: Powered (6% Healing Done for purple quality)
Spell: Rushed Ceremony
Non Critical: 5223
Critical: 7834
Yes Altmer Passive (7% max magic for 2 points allocated)
Trait: Precise (No Healing Done)
Spell: Rushed Ceremony
Non Critical: 5114
Critical: 7716
HUH, well I'll be dammed, it seems even with 1% less, healing done does more than max magic. So now I'll ask you again, do you prefer 7% max magic or 9% healing done.
I would take the 7% max magicka and you know you would, too. Are you going to switch races? Of course not, because you know I'm right.
Like I said, it doesn't matter anyway. I've given up on ZOS. It is what it is. If you can make the other magicka races that much stronger with this magicka damage crusade, then it will make my switch all the easier.
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Minalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »I played argonian on PTS as a tank, my healer is argonian too and the passives are actually good for those roles. If you don't like them it's not the passives fault.
If you say so. I disagree and I think a lot of tanks would, too. Their healing passive used to be good for tanks. Now, not so much. Anyway, you played it on PTS. I played it for the last 2 years as my main. I'm not coming from a place of ignorance. I've played the other races, optimized for Stam or magicka and the difference is clear. There is a reason why people min/max with those races and not Argonians. I'm ready to jump on the bandwagon.
There is also a reason we call bretons useless in it's current state on PTS, but i guess you won't get it ^^
Useless? That's a gross exaggeration. On the current PTS. Nothing has changed about them and neither has any other magicka race.
No one uses Bretons in endgame PVE by choice. Sustain is not an issue for magicka or stamina if you have a good group, so all they offer is 10% max magicka. Resistance again is of no consequence, just take my 16.5k life altmer templar who doesn't use channeled focus and doesn't die...
Don't expect these elf fanboy ZOS designers to do anything but over buff their favorite classes and races. Bretons are in third place, and they'll stay there.
Once stupid makes up its mind, it stays made. These feedback threads are a joke to them.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭@ZOS_GinaBruno any possibility for updates on this being added to Bretons for Breton love?#MOREORBS0 -
hedna123b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭@ZOS_GinaBruno any possibility for updates on this being added to Bretons for Breton love?
Would be amazing if every race had a buff to some element, that way there would be BiS races for special builds. Or if we had racial morphs. For example if an Altmer had the option to morph their 4% to all regents racial to let's say 8% single element.0 -
Vythri✭✭✭✭While we're adding passives to buff damage, can we add one for Bows, and Poison damage too?0 -
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✭While we're adding passives to buff damage, can we add one for Bows, and Poison damage too?
That could be a cool idea as well...Weapon and Elemental damage modifiers that differ by race.0 -
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✭✭ZOS want's everyone to be stamina shuffle monkeys unless you're a templar heal/purge/beambot. AdaptEU | PC0 -
Lord_Eomer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Developers focus is shifting towards stamina builds because of QQ all the time on forums...more skills are giving now weapon damage buff I.e. templars, sorcers passives..
Mages are left a way behind even in terms of Race, stamina builds like Redguard, Bosmer NB are a way sustain than mage bretons builds..altmers are better from day 1 but gap is increasing with other races timely..
We have now more races stamina focused instead of Magicka..
Good luck mage builds, developers need more money and to stop QQ on forum is to buff stamina..Edited by Lord_Eomer on July 8, 2016 3:41PM0 -
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If I was to make a healer, as most end game healers are probably planing to do, I will go Argonian.
Since I don't have PTS, I went and gave it a try to see if max magic vs healing done. Results were interesting I suppose
So you're saying in this instance a Breton will hit harder spells than an Argonian
then what is 9% healing given? Healing spells hit for way more than enough now. 9% healing given is downright worthless.
Lol what... Argonians are the best healers now, that healing done is a flat percentage. The max magicka is a percentage based off of your current. You get more from the Argonian passive in terms of healingand yes, i want to give them more because as it stands as i have said countless times, there is no ways to increase magic damage
@wrobel could we please get a word in here
What about your 10% max magicka boost and elemental CP star boost of another 25%? Sounds like you can boost it enough right there. Also, you're a magicka Templar? You're just being greedy. You need dark flare to instakill or something?
That's still 7% less compared to flame damage and 4% less compared to frost and shock damage. This would be a great way to make bretons a viable dps-race. Because atm it's just good for nothing
Then why not make every race a viable DPS race? Your argument is baseless. Bretons put out plenty damage with 10% max magicka.
I just completely disagree with the entire premise of this thread. Again, other races have much more valid complaints. You guys are like the billionaire class asking for more tax relief.
I know there are other races who can complain (mainly nords, maybe bosmer), but most races are best in one roll. Bretons in it's current state are outclassed by dunmer/altmer for dps and argonians for healing.
How are Bretons outclassed by Argonians for healing? You have 10% max magicka. That's way better than 9% healing given. Your argument is baseless. Bretons have magicka resistance and cost reduction. Now you want more damage? They're buffing other races to get to the Altmer/Breton level. You seem to not understand why other races are getting buffs. Buffing Altmer/Breton defeats the purpose.
Spell resistance is nice but meh, you can hit cap fairly easy as a templar.
Cost reduction compared to the amount of sustain argonians just got handed? yea... cost reduction is fairly crap at end game level
Bretons I'm going to say right now are one of the weakest classes, along side nord. What is your argument, why are you just disagreeing? I don't think you understand what it is I am asking for... Magic Damage will benefit a lot of players and playstyles, not just templars
So 3% max magicka for argonian, and 9% healing done.and 12% of your max resources etc (incredible sustain)Amphibious: This passive ability has been renamed to “Resourceful.” Also, it no longer increases your swimming speed by 50%. It now increases your Max Magicka by 1/2/3%, and continues to restore 4/8/12% of your Max Health, Magicka, and Stamina whenever you drink a potion.
Quick to Mend: This passive ability now increases your healing done by 3/6/9%, instead of increasing your healing received by 3/6/9%.
Bretons, 3% cost reduction (really bad)
10% max magicka
so the comparison is, 7% max magicka vs 9% healing done. I don't think I need to explain which is obviously better
I know. I would take the 7% max magicka versus the healing done any day of the week. In fact I would give the healing done for pretty much any other passive. That's how worthless it is for the aforementioned reason.
No Altmer Passive (7% max magic for 2 points allocated)
Trait: Powered (6% Healing Done for purple quality)
Spell: Rushed Ceremony
Non Critical: 5223
Critical: 7834
Yes Altmer Passive (7% max magic for 2 points allocated)
Trait: Precise (No Healing Done)
Spell: Rushed Ceremony
Non Critical: 5114
Critical: 7716
HUH, well I'll be dammed, it seems even with 1% less, healing done does more than max magic. So now I'll ask you again, do you prefer 7% max magic or 9% healing done.
I would take the 7% max magicka and you know you would, too. Are you going to switch races? Of course not, because you know I'm right.
Like I said, it doesn't matter anyway. I've given up on ZOS. It is what it is. If you can make the other magicka races that much stronger with this magicka damage crusade, then it will make my switch all the easier.
The problem with the argonian healing passive, is that there is no need to do more healing. The healing output that an altmer does is more than sufficient.
At that point, it comes down to a matter of sustain. Did you know the elemental drain magicka return scales on the magicka the caster has? Being an argonian means providing less sustain for your group as a support. You also have less sustain yourself, as you're giving up on any sort of magicka regen passive.1 -
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If I was to make a healer, as most end game healers are probably planing to do, I will go Argonian.
Since I don't have PTS, I went and gave it a try to see if max magic vs healing done. Results were interesting I suppose
So you're saying in this instance a Breton will hit harder spells than an Argonian
then what is 9% healing given? Healing spells hit for way more than enough now. 9% healing given is downright worthless.
Lol what... Argonians are the best healers now, that healing done is a flat percentage. The max magicka is a percentage based off of your current. You get more from the Argonian passive in terms of healingand yes, i want to give them more because as it stands as i have said countless times, there is no ways to increase magic damage
@wrobel could we please get a word in here
What about your 10% max magicka boost and elemental CP star boost of another 25%? Sounds like you can boost it enough right there. Also, you're a magicka Templar? You're just being greedy. You need dark flare to instakill or something?
That's still 7% less compared to flame damage and 4% less compared to frost and shock damage. This would be a great way to make bretons a viable dps-race. Because atm it's just good for nothing
Then why not make every race a viable DPS race? Your argument is baseless. Bretons put out plenty damage with 10% max magicka.
I just completely disagree with the entire premise of this thread. Again, other races have much more valid complaints. You guys are like the billionaire class asking for more tax relief.
I know there are other races who can complain (mainly nords, maybe bosmer), but most races are best in one roll. Bretons in it's current state are outclassed by dunmer/altmer for dps and argonians for healing.
How are Bretons outclassed by Argonians for healing? You have 10% max magicka. That's way better than 9% healing given. Your argument is baseless. Bretons have magicka resistance and cost reduction. Now you want more damage? They're buffing other races to get to the Altmer/Breton level. You seem to not understand why other races are getting buffs. Buffing Altmer/Breton defeats the purpose.
Spell resistance is nice but meh, you can hit cap fairly easy as a templar.
Cost reduction compared to the amount of sustain argonians just got handed? yea... cost reduction is fairly crap at end game level
Bretons I'm going to say right now are one of the weakest classes, along side nord. What is your argument, why are you just disagreeing? I don't think you understand what it is I am asking for... Magic Damage will benefit a lot of players and playstyles, not just templars
So 3% max magicka for argonian, and 9% healing done.and 12% of your max resources etc (incredible sustain)Amphibious: This passive ability has been renamed to “Resourceful.” Also, it no longer increases your swimming speed by 50%. It now increases your Max Magicka by 1/2/3%, and continues to restore 4/8/12% of your Max Health, Magicka, and Stamina whenever you drink a potion.
Quick to Mend: This passive ability now increases your healing done by 3/6/9%, instead of increasing your healing received by 3/6/9%.
Bretons, 3% cost reduction (really bad)
10% max magicka
so the comparison is, 7% max magicka vs 9% healing done. I don't think I need to explain which is obviously better
I know. I would take the 7% max magicka versus the healing done any day of the week. In fact I would give the healing done for pretty much any other passive. That's how worthless it is for the aforementioned reason.
No Altmer Passive (7% max magic for 2 points allocated)
Trait: Powered (6% Healing Done for purple quality)
Spell: Rushed Ceremony
Non Critical: 5223
Critical: 7834
Yes Altmer Passive (7% max magic for 2 points allocated)
Trait: Precise (No Healing Done)
Spell: Rushed Ceremony
Non Critical: 5114
Critical: 7716
HUH, well I'll be dammed, it seems even with 1% less, healing done does more than max magic. So now I'll ask you again, do you prefer 7% max magic or 9% healing done.
I would take the 7% max magicka and you know you would, too. Are you going to switch races? Of course not, because you know I'm right.
Like I said, it doesn't matter anyway. I've given up on ZOS. It is what it is. If you can make the other magicka races that much stronger with this magicka damage crusade, then it will make my switch all the easier.
The problem with the argonian healing passive, is that there is no need to do more healing. The healing output that an altmer does is more than sufficient.
At that point, it comes down to a matter of sustain. Did you know the elemental drain magicka return scales on the magicka the caster has? Being an argonian means providing less sustain for your group as a support. You also have less sustain yourself, as you're giving up on any sort of magicka regen passive.
This argument makes no sense to me, if your heals are stronger you'd need less of them, which translates on better sustain. Unless you are spamming bol 24/7 of course.
Either way, this is way off topic already. The lack of a magic dmge passive, or some better scaling for nightblades and templares compared to sorcs and dks is real. Which also ties with the current rather weak state of bretons and how redundant have altmers and dunmers have become.When the snows fall and the white winds blow,
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✭This argument makes no sense to me, if your heals are stronger you'd need less of them, which translates on better sustain. Unless you are spamming bol 24/7 of course.
Either way, this is way off topic already. The lack of a magic dmge passive, or some better scaling for nightblades and templares compared to sorcs and dks is real. Which also ties with the current rather weak state of bretons and how redundant have altmers and dunmers have become.
This pops up in every MMO ever, someone always pushes for the sustain model, usually the same guy who sits on his full mana bar just incase he needs to use all of it at once.... Maxing output with only the sustain necessary to keep casting will always enable you to perform better, thus unless you are having massive sustain issues increasing power output whether healing or damaging is always better.Legendary Archer of ValenwoodBosmer Dragon Knight Archer. XBox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Bosmer Nightblade Archer. Xbox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Bosmer Sorcerer Archer. Xbox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Bosmer Warden Archer. Xbox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Templar's are evil..0 -
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At least they acknowledge it, that kinda sucks thoughBackFreckle wrote: »LOL they just confirmed that they arent going to add magic damage to the racial passives because we already have 10% max magika and elemental damage
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✭Toc de Malsvi wrote: »This argument makes no sense to me, if your heals are stronger you'd need less of them, which translates on better sustain. Unless you are spamming bol 24/7 of course.
Either way, this is way off topic already. The lack of a magic dmge passive, or some better scaling for nightblades and templares compared to sorcs and dks is real. Which also ties with the current rather weak state of bretons and how redundant have altmers and dunmers have become.
This pops up in every MMO ever, someone always pushes for the sustain model, usually the same guy who sits on his full mana bar just incase he needs to use all of it at once.... Maxing output with only the sustain necessary to keep casting will always enable you to perform better, thus unless you are having massive sustain issues increasing power output whether healing or damaging is always better.
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Attackopsn✭✭✭✭✭Toc de Malsvi wrote: »This argument makes no sense to me, if your heals are stronger you'd need less of them, which translates on better sustain. Unless you are spamming bol 24/7 of course.
Either way, this is way off topic already. The lack of a magic dmge passive, or some better scaling for nightblades and templares compared to sorcs and dks is real. Which also ties with the current rather weak state of bretons and how redundant have altmers and dunmers have become.
This pops up in every MMO ever, someone always pushes for the sustain model, usually the same guy who sits on his full mana bar just incase he needs to use all of it at once.... Maxing output with only the sustain necessary to keep casting will always enable you to perform better, thus unless you are having massive sustain issues increasing power output whether healing or damaging is always better.
My primary point was, that your elemental drain as an argonian will provide less magicka return to your DPSers.[/
Check if that varies between players, it might say that for the caster but return a quantity based on the dps pool. Might be totally wrong just pointing that out!ign: ATTACKO
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✭Attackopsn wrote: »Toc de Malsvi wrote: »This argument makes no sense to me, if your heals are stronger you'd need less of them, which translates on better sustain. Unless you are spamming bol 24/7 of course.
Either way, this is way off topic already. The lack of a magic dmge passive, or some better scaling for nightblades and templares compared to sorcs and dks is real. Which also ties with the current rather weak state of bretons and how redundant have altmers and dunmers have become.
This pops up in every MMO ever, someone always pushes for the sustain model, usually the same guy who sits on his full mana bar just incase he needs to use all of it at once.... Maxing output with only the sustain necessary to keep casting will always enable you to perform better, thus unless you are having massive sustain issues increasing power output whether healing or damaging is always better.
My primary point was, that your elemental drain as an argonian will provide less magicka return to your DPSers.
Check if that varies between players, it might say that for the caster but return a quantity based on the dps pool. Might be totally wrong just pointing that out!
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hmm i tested this awhile ago with @asayre it was returning magic based on my magicka pool not the caster of elemental drain. cp wasn't affecting it eitherAttackopsn wrote: »Toc de Malsvi wrote: »This argument makes no sense to me, if your heals are stronger you'd need less of them, which translates on better sustain. Unless you are spamming bol 24/7 of course.
Either way, this is way off topic already. The lack of a magic dmge passive, or some better scaling for nightblades and templares compared to sorcs and dks is real. Which also ties with the current rather weak state of bretons and how redundant have altmers and dunmers have become.
This pops up in every MMO ever, someone always pushes for the sustain model, usually the same guy who sits on his full mana bar just incase he needs to use all of it at once.... Maxing output with only the sustain necessary to keep casting will always enable you to perform better, thus unless you are having massive sustain issues increasing power output whether healing or damaging is always better.
My primary point was, that your elemental drain as an argonian will provide less magicka return to your DPSers.
Check if that varies between players, it might say that for the caster but return a quantity based on the dps pool. Might be totally wrong just pointing that out!
You might be right, I haven't actually gone that far to test it.#MOREORBS0 -
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At least they acknowledge it, that kinda sucks thoughBackFreckle wrote: »LOL they just confirmed that they arent going to add magic damage to the racial passives because we already have 10% max magika and elemental damage
Poor Bretons
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@Wrobel Are you being serious?
At least they acknowledge it, that kinda sucks thoughBackFreckle wrote: »LOL they just confirmed that they arent going to add magic damage to the racial passives because we already have 10% max magika and elemental damage
Poor Bretons
Actually, Eric said that Bretons are the TOP Magicka class because of the 3% Cost Reduction which he said is "HUGE".
Because if you like I will show you exactly why Bretons are no where near the top.
Cost Reduction receives so much diminishing returns, magicka regeneration is so much better.
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Vythri✭✭✭✭At least Magicka gets buffed in the sense that you get bonus's to flame/frost/shock damage. Ranged physical damage gets literally nothing, and doesn't even get acknowledged as a problem.Edited by Vythri on July 9, 2016 3:38AM0